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[00:48] Kim Monson: You'll get first look at all of our upcoming guests as well as our most recent podcast, our most recent op-eds.
[00:53] Kim Monson: Be sure and check out the podcast that I did with Professor John Eastman, Trump's attorney.
[01:00] Kim Monson: He actually goes through where they were looking at election irregularities, what they were trying to do about that.
[01:07] Kim Monson: The meeting between President Trump, Vice President Pence, Professor Eastman, Pence's general counsel, as well as Pence's, let's see, chief of staff.
[01:18] Kim Monson: And that meeting occurred on January 4th and would happen on January 6th.
[01:23] Kim Monson: 6th, and then ultimately he was canceled, basically by the University of Colorado CU.
[01:28] Kim Monson: So this is a great opportunity to set the record straight.
[01:33] Kim Monson: And thank you to each of you for joining us today.
[01:36] Kim Monson: You're each treasured, you're valued.
[01:38] Kim Monson: You have a purpose: live with intention and strive for excellence and take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body.
[01:45] Kim Monson: And thank you to this great team that I get to work with and that is producer Steve and Zach and Patty and Keith and Charlie and all these people at Crawford Broadcasting.
[01:57] Producer Steve: Yes, happy Friday.
[01:58] Producer Steve: And on top of that, it's also payday.
[02:03] Kim Monson: So it's a double great day for you then.
[02:09] Kim Monson: And thank you for all of you that are contributing to keep this independent voice out there.
[02:14] Kim Monson: And also the other way this happens is I have these great sponsors.
[02:19] Kim Monson: and one of those is Helen Jean Mitchell.
[02:20] Kim Monson: She is sponsoring this show today and she is in studio.
[02:27] Kim Monson: So we're going to be focusing on something in the second segment, Helen, that is really near and dear to your heart and may actually save some people's lives because it saved your life.
[02:36] Kim Monson: And we'll talk about that in the second segment.
[02:43] Kim Monson: You have chosen the quote for today and that is by John Locke and he was born in 1632.
[02:52] Kim Monson: Did you go to school with him, Steve?
[02:54] Producer Steve: You want to start this again?
[02:56] Producer Steve: You know you never win.
[02:58] Producer Steve: And he was born in 1632.
[03:04] Kim Monson: His works lie at the foundation of modern philosophical empiricism and political liberalism.
[03:11] Kim Monson: And when we talk about liberalism, political liberalism, It's not the liberalism of today.
[03:21] Kim Monson: But this was the classical liberalism that basically was our founding, this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
[03:33] Kim Monson: And he was an inspiration for both the European Enlightenment and the Constitution of the United States of America.
[03:41] Kim Monson: And Helen, you chose this because this is very appropriate for what we're going to be talking about in the second segment.
[03:49] Kim Monson: And you said, John Locke said, individuals have both a right and a duty to preserve their own lives.
[03:54] Kim Monson: And that's been just super inspirational to you.
[03:57] Helen Mitchell: Yes, who would have thought that a man born in 1634 jumped ahead and impacted my life in the year 2007?
[04:05] Kim Monson: It was those timeless principles that they were putting in place, and absolutely, what they said then is so appropriate now as well.
[04:17] Kim Monson: And so we'll talk about that in segments, in the second segment.
[04:21] Kim Monson: And then segments three and four, Josh Phillip, you know him.
[04:25] Kim Monson: He is with the Epoch Times, and we're going to talk about censorship.
[04:31] Kim Monson: Who would have ever dreamed that in America and in 2021 that we would actually be shutting down voices?
[04:42] Kim Monson: Just an example was what had happened with Professor Eastman up at CU.
[04:50] Kim Monson: Instead of engaging in a battle of ideas, what happens if your ideas aren't that good?
[04:55] Kim Monson: Then you have to try to shut other people down, Producer Steve.
[04:59] Producer Steve: Can you take 30 seconds to, when you said CU canceled him, go through a couple of things that they did to him.
[05:07] Kim Monson: So he was at the January 6 rally for Trump.
[05:13] Kim Monson: And the narrative out there that the radical regressive activists left and the mainstream media industrial complex had been putting out there that it was President Trump that had instigated this, quote unquote, this breach on the Capitol, when in essence, that breach on the Capitol actually started while they were still speaking.
[05:39] Kim Monson: And so one would have to ask, the timing on that was very interesting, very suspect.
[05:45] Kim Monson: But anyway, shortly thereafter, as this whole narrative was getting out there, there were CU officials that actually took that narrative and ran with it.
[05:56] Kim Monson: And they canceled all of his classes.
[05:58] Kim Monson: And some of, I think there was a lecture series that he was going to have on campus, and they canceled that.
[06:06] Kim Monson: He ultimately has done that off campus.
[06:09] Kim Monson: He now, they will not even let him go on campus, if you can believe that, Steve.
[06:19] Kim Monson: I think initially they fired him, but they walked that back.
[06:22] Kim Monson: But basically, he can't even go on campus.
[06:28] Kim Monson: And then also there was press releases and comments made that they hadn't actually done any due process on it either, Steve.
[06:36] Producer Steve: Well, here we go in 1984 all over again.
[06:41] Producer Steve: But to actually make it look like this guy doesn't even exist, like he's just gone.
[06:47] Producer Steve: I guess that's what the goal is at CU.
[06:51] Kim Monson: Well, and that is why we did the podcast last week.
[06:54] Kim Monson: And a number of you have reached out to me and said how much you appreciate that, because it really set the record straight on a number of different issues out there.
[07:01] Kim Monson: So let's jump over here to our bill of the day, or actually there's three bills, and they are all connected.
[07:08] Kim Monson: They're House Bill 21, and as we mentioned, if it comes out of the House, it's an HB.
[07:17] Kim Monson: So this is House Bill 21-1053 regarding election recount request, House Bill 21-1086, which is voter proof of citizenship requirement, and then HB 21-1088, annual audit statewide voter registration system.
[07:35] Kim Monson: And former Senator Lundberg, through his report, said that there are three bills in the Colorado House of representatives scheduled for their first and possibly last committee hearing on Monday, March 8 in the House State Affairs Committee.
[07:50] Kim Monson: The hearing is scheduled to start at 1: 30 and Senator Lumberg says: if you think your vote should be accurately counted and not canceled out by any illegal or otherwise erroneous ballots, this is your chance to make your voice heard in the Colorado legislature.
[08:06] Kim Monson: So, House Bill 1053, introduced by Representative Williams, will allow any citizen to request a hand recount of the actual ballots.
[08:17] Kim Monson: The citizen requesting the hand recount must pay all associated costs, but this bill finally puts into law a procedure for hand counting an election recount.
[08:26] Kim Monson: House Bill 1086, introduced by Representative Luck, provides that only an elector who has provided proof of citizenship can vote in an election.
[08:36] Kim Monson: And House Bill 1088, introduced by Representative Pico, will require the state auditor to audit 20%of all voter registrations every year, which would mean essentially all voter registrations would be audited once every five years.
[08:49] Kim Monson: The audit would require that all voter registrations be checked against other public records to verify the accuracy of each registration.
[08:57] Kim Monson: Steve this seems like very good ideas to me.
[09:02] Producer Steve: Yeah, finally, I'm just about to comment.
[09:05] Producer Steve: You, you and Patty, call this bill of the day, and this is not a reason not to do this, but I got to tell you the bill of the day has been pretty hard on my blood pressure.
[09:14] Producer Steve: So yes, something good.
[09:16] Kim Monson: Yes, and you would think that every person in Colorado would want to make sure that this happens.
[09:23] Kim Monson: But what we've seen with the radical regressive activists left is they are doing all kinds of different things to dilute your vote.
[09:32] Kim Monson: So whether or not you're a blue dog democrat or a libertarian, unaffiliated republican, a conservative, you need to make your voice heard, and that's going to be on this coming monday.
[09:46] Producer Steve: Steve, okay, well, certainly in light of some of the other things going on at the national level, It's important that people be informed and think about what it is that's going down right in front of their very eyes.
[10:01] Kim Monson: And be sure, and if you can't make it down to the Capitol on Monday, either call or write these representatives down there as well.
[10:12] Kim Monson: I want to change things just a little bit here and, again, acknowledge these great partners.
[10:19] Kim Monson: Here in the studio with me is Helen Jean Mitchell.
[10:22] Kim Monson: and I have so many different great partners that I get to work with.
[10:25] Kim Monson: And on the line with me is another of my great partners for both the Kim Monson Show and America's Veteran Stories with Kim Monson, and that is Hal Van Herke.
[10:35] Kim Monson: He is the owner of Castlegate Knife and Tool, located right here in Sedalia.
[10:39] Kim Monson: Small business is something that's near and dear to Hal's heart.
[10:47] Kim Monson: There is always something creative happening at Castlegate Knife and Tool, And let's talk just a little bit about this new product that you have, and it's your rifle program.
[10:57] Kim Monson: Tell us just a little bit about that.
[10:59] Hal Van Herke: Yeah, the latest tool to our line of tools is custom- madeAR- 15sthat are built right here in Elizabeth, Colorado.
[11:09] Hal Van Herke: And when I say built, they're actually made from cast, forged blanks and build mast receiver sets.
[11:16] Hal Van Herke: So we're actually manufacturing these rifles here in Elizabeth.
[11:20] Hal Van Herke: And by doing it the way we're doing it, we're able to get extreme accuracy for a reasonable price.
[11:27] Hal Van Herke: And the program is our custom rifle program, and it's designed to give your rifle your way.
[11:36] Hal Van Herke: So you can come in and you can order it with all types of different options, whatever you want, and we'll deliver it to you completely ready to go, optics, accessories, et cetera.
[11:45] Kim Monson: What's the turnaround time on this, Hal?
[11:47] Kim Monson: Right now the turnaround time is between a week and two weeks.
[11:51] Hal Van Herke: No way.
[11:57] Hal Van Herke: That's one of the reasons why we're doing this is that we have rifles in stock and we have rifles components ready to go at all times so that we can bring to people what they need in a hurry.
[12:10] Kim Monson: Okay, Stan, with all the craziness that's going on out there regarding the assault on our Second Amendment, how can people reach out to you and get more information on this?
[12:22] Kim Monson: Do they need to come down to the store there in Sedalia, or what would you recommend?
[12:25] Hal Van Herke: Yeah, for now the best way, and we're doing this kind of on purpose so that we don't overwhelm ourselves, the best way is to come into the store or to call and set up an appointment, and we actually walk you through the whole process and help you make decisions on what accessories you want, what caliber, what rifle style, et cetera.
[12:44] Kim Monson: And the best way people can get information is to go to your website.
[12:50] Kim Monson: All the information is there, the phone, the address.
[12:53] Kim Monson: But basically you just go to Sedalia and you turn right on which street is that?
[13:01] Hal Van Herke: Yep, you get off on Manhart, which is right where the brand- newwide- openspaces bar and restaurant is, which is a huge restaurant on the corner there.
[13:10] Hal Van Herke: Great place.
[13:11] Hal Van Herke: You turn right on Manhart, and then we're right in the center of town on the corner of Manhart and Plum.
[13:16] Hal Van Herke: Okay.
[13:19] Kim Monson: Hal Van Herke, I so appreciate your partnership and your sponsorship of the show.
[13:28] Kim Monson: Helen Jean Mitchell is in studio, and we will hear her story.
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[14:24] Kim Monson: One of them is in studio, Helen Jean Mitchell.
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[14:56] Kim Monson: And those are pretty delicious, aren't they?
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[15:05] Kim Monson: Go to my website, click on my sponsors tab, and that will drop down.
[15:10] Kim Monson: And then just click on Hooters, and they'll have all their specials there.
[15:19] Kim Monson: And one other thing, Hooters is a sponsor of both of my shows.
[15:22] Kim Monson: My other show is America's Veteran Stories, which is on Sunday afternoons here on KLZ from 3 to 4 p.
[15:28] Kim Monson: And this week we have another great treat for you.
[15:32] Kim Monson: Peter Nieb, he actually lives in the Netherlands now.
[15:34] Kim Monson: And he had befriended a number of the Timberwolves, which were many of the soldiers from the 104th Infantry Division.
[15:44] Kim Monson: And they called them the Timberwolves because they actually fought at night.
[15:53] Kim Monson: But the other is, is that he, when he was a toddler, and his sister was three, Hulda, and their mother were captured by the Japanese in World War II, and he spent the first three of his four years in a Japanese concentration camp.
[16:07] Kim Monson: So it is a fascinating story, and I would recommend that you listen to that on Sunday afternoon.
[16:13] Kim Monson: Ellen Jean Mitchell, first of all, I so thank you for your partnership for this show because keeping these independent voices out there is very important, And really, you are a valued partner of the show.
[16:25] Kim Monson: And so on the second segment, we thought, let's focus on something that is really near and dear to your heart.
[16:32] Kim Monson: And it's something that I'd never heard of.
[16:34] Kim Monson: And these are rare tumors that can cause sudden spikes in blood pressure.
[16:40] Kim Monson: something that you had and tell us the story because ultimately you kind of saved your own life.
[16:48] Helen Mitchell: I'm going to reach back into history and tell you about my favorite patriot, John Locke, and he had a lot of input into the Declaration of Independence.
[16:58] Helen Mitchell: But the most important of John Locke's contribution promoted and defended my individual right to save my own life.
[17:06] Helen Mitchell: But But you know, I didn't realize that until 15 years later.
[17:14] Helen Mitchell: You know, I managed to live for 50 years, and I wanted to keep going.
[17:22] Helen Mitchell: I was going to be that one in a million statistic, suddenly dead at the age of 52 of a stroke.
[17:32] Helen Mitchell: I was having some odd symptoms, you know, unbeknownst to me, I inherited a rare fatal heart condition from my father.
[17:42] Helen Mitchell: I mean, he played for the University of Oklahoma National Championship team back in the day.
[17:48] Helen Mitchell: So after I made an appointment with my doctor, like anybody else, I was still concerned.
[17:52] Helen Mitchell: So then I went over and I attended one of those local health fairs.
[18:02] Helen Mitchell: So, you know, but since my mom had passed away just a few months earlier, I thought, you know what, I'm going to get that ultrasound over there at that kiosk.
[18:12] Kim Monson: And what was the ultrasound for exactly?
[18:17] Kim Monson: Okay, so they actually had somebody there that was doing that?
[18:19] Helen Mitchell: Yeah, they had a special kiosk there and what the carotid arteries do is they feed the blood between the brain and the heart.
[18:27] Kim Monson: Okay, so and where are they located?
[18:31] Helen Mitchell: So I got one of those ultrasounds and I went back to my doctor and this time he arranged to have another ultrasound done, you know, just in case.
[18:42] Kim Monson: Now, had you gotten a report there that something was odd at that time?
[18:46] Helen Mitchell: Yeah, at the health fair, they mail you out a report that says, hey, look over here.
[18:52] Helen Mitchell: You know, so I thought, well, okay, well, I'm going to take this back to him, see what he says.
[18:56] Helen Mitchell: So he said: you know, we'll be in touch over the weekend.
[19:11] Helen Mitchell: I got a call from my doctor and he said: Helen, you have bilateral carotid body tumors.
[19:15] Helen Mitchell: Really yeah, I didn't really know what those were at the time.
[19:19] Helen Mitchell: I sure found out soon and he said: keep the next two weeks or so available.
[19:29] Helen Mitchell: Now, here's some statistics about carotid body tumors.
[19:35] Helen Mitchell: In 2011, there was an incidence of one case per every million people with just 684 cases of carotid body tumors in the United States.
[19:47] Outro Music: Pretty rare.
[19:54] Helen Mitchell: And up to half of the carotid body tumors are familiar or genetic.
[20:09] Helen Mitchell: They're called familial bilateral carotid body tumors.
[20:13] Helen Mitchell: Now the sole purpose of these is just to steal blood and kill you.
[20:21] Kim Monson: You were having some symptoms that you didn't really...
[20:26] Helen Mitchell: But I went through my series of appointments that the doctor set up for me.
[20:33] Helen Mitchell: And my last appointment was, I'll just call him Dr.
[20:37] Helen Mitchell: That's an x-ray image, you know, of your blood vessels.
[20:40] Helen Mitchell: And he said to me, Helen, Helen, as doctors, we need to listen to our patients and find out what is wrong because you just saved your own life.
[20:52] SPEAKER_08: Wow.
[20:55] Helen Mitchell: So I was in surgery the next morning and after a few days in cardiac intensive care and a medically induced coma, I went home on Christmas Eve.
[21:08] Outro Music: Oh.
[21:11] Helen Mitchell: So fast forward 12 years to 2019, and I'm studying about the founding fathers, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
[21:19] Helen Mitchell: And I was reading about John Locke, who wrote that all individuals are equal in the same sense that they are born with certain inalienable natural rights that can never be taken or given away.
[21:33] Helen Mitchell: And among these fundamental natural rights, Locke said, are life, liberty, and property.
[21:40] Helen Mitchell: And at that time, property included yourself and your well-being.
[21:47] Helen Mitchell: Your own self, you know, and you have the right to defend that.
[21:52] Helen Mitchell: So John Locke believed that the most basic human law of nature is the preservation of mankind and stated: individuals have both a right and a duty to preserve their own lives.
[22:07] SPEAKER_08: Wow.
[22:10] Helen Mitchell: So, you know, 12 years later after my surgery in 2007, I learned that I am grateful for what John Locke said because I think that was his message to me.
[22:26] Helen Mitchell: You know, people aren't really sure what to look for, but you get that ultrasound done and you can find them.
[22:34] Helen Mitchell: Now, I was in the mall, Park Meadows Mall, and these two people came running toward me.
[22:50] Helen Mitchell: It wasn't this particular one, but he said, you know, I told her, I talked to Helen, you know, I think you're having these tinges.
[22:59] Helen Mitchell: And she did end up having surgery for something different.
[23:05] Kim Monson: You know, I find that so fascinating that how, as we mentioned, that John Locke was born in the 1630s, that it still is so relevant to today.
[23:17] Kim Monson: That is what's so amazing about our founding fathers.
[23:20] Kim Monson: And the founding fathers really went back to many of Locke's thoughts.
[23:25] Kim Monson: In fact, certainly he inspired Jefferson with the Declaration of Independence.
[23:32] Helen Mitchell: You know, people ought to know and spread this word, you know.
[23:39] Kim Monson: And so once again, what you're recommending, though, is if people are feeling some kind of symptoms, that check it out.
[23:48] Kim Monson: You have a responsibility to check it out.
[23:50] Kim Monson: And if it hadn't been for that health fair, and as we were preparing for this, you had also mentioned at that health fair that you had gotten that ultrasound, and then it was like the guy, his son was helping him read these.
[24:05] Kim Monson: And it was this young guy that actually caught that.
[24:08] Helen Mitchell: Yeah, he was helping his dad at home reading these.
[24:10] Helen Mitchell: And he went to his father and he said, Dad, this is a little different.
[24:17] Helen Mitchell: And his father said, Son, I've run into one of those in my life because they're rare.
[24:34] Kim Monson: Well, Helen, I think it's a fascinating story.
[24:37] Kim Monson: Thank you for being a sponsor of the show.
[24:38] Kim Monson: We're going to jump over here to another great sponsor, and that is Jason McBride.
[24:42] Kim Monson: He's a senior VP with Presidential Wealth Management.
[24:46] Kim Monson: The markets got kicked around a little bit yesterday, Jason, and what is it?
[24:50] Kim Monson: Feds, they're concerned about inflation, keeping interest rates low.
[24:54] SPEAKER_12: Well, that seemed to be what sparked it off.
[24:58] SPEAKER_12: At least that's what they've decided to blame, because they always have to blame something.
[25:03] SPEAKER_12: But yeah, Jerome Powell had mentioned that he was concerned about inflation as the economy opened back up.
[25:13] SPEAKER_12: And that sent the markets into a tizzy, the NASDAQ taking the biggest brunt of it.
[25:19] SPEAKER_12: NASDAQ was down 275, Kim.
[25:22] SPEAKER_12: That was about 2.
[25:22] SPEAKER_12: 1%.
[25:25] SPEAKER_12: The chart on NASDAQ, I mean, just completely broke yesterday.
[25:30] SPEAKER_12: It looked like it might be able to hold support, but it still looked ugly.
[25:36] SPEAKER_12: After yesterday's breakdown with a volume just absolutely spiked yesterday as well, the chart on NASDAQ looks just completely ugly at this point.
[25:48] SPEAKER_12: The Dow was down about 345, which is a smaller percentage.
[25:54] SPEAKER_12: And, you know, again, a big volume spike there.
[25:58] SPEAKER_12: So we're really seeing the air come out of the balloon on a lot of these high flyers, Kim, that have, you know, got to dizzying heights.
[26:07] SPEAKER_12: You know, massive valuations or, you know, kind of feels a little bit like what we saw back in the tech bubble of 2000 with companies, It's stocks rising way up with NoBusinessPlan.
[26:20] SPEAKER_12: com.
[26:21] SPEAKER_12: I guess not quite that bad, but some similarities there.
[26:25] SPEAKER_12: So the futures are up a little bit this morning.
[26:29] SPEAKER_12: We'll see if the market can manage to recover any of this or, you know, if it starts off up and then the sellers come in again.
[26:37] Kim Monson: Well, and Jason, that is why we've talked about actually a crystal ball thing, maybe moving into some cash might be a good idea.
[26:49] Kim Monson: People need to sit down with you and assess their risk tolerance, their needs, and you've seen a lot of this.
[26:54] Kim Monson: You've been around for a long time, and you've seen the ups and downs, so you've got the experience that people really need when you're in these kinds of markets.
[27:03] SPEAKER_12: Well, my hair is mostly gray, Kim I had somebody come in the other day A listener from your show And said, I just want to make sure I'm dealing with somebody that has some gray hair And I said, I'm your man That's for sure How can people reach you, Jason?
[27:21] SPEAKER_12: Give us a call, 303-694-1600 That's 303-694-1600 Jason, have a great weekend We'll talk to you on Monday Thank you, Kim.
[27:35] Kim Monson: Helen Jean Mitchell is in studio with me.
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[29:34] Kim Monson: And this show is brought to you by Helen G.
[29:38] Kim Monson: But on the line with me is Josh Phillip.
[29:40] Kim Monson: He's an award- winning investigative reporter withthe Epoch Times and host of Crossroads.
[29:46] Kim Monson: He is a recognized expert on unrestricted warfare, asymmetrical hybrid warfare, subversion, and historical perspectives on today's issues.
[29:55] Kim Monson: Today we're going to be talking about censorship.
[30:03] SPEAKER_11: Good to hear from you.
[30:05] SPEAKER_11: Good to talk with you as well.
[30:08] Kim Monson: Josh Phillip, I never in a million years would have dreamed what is happening in America.
[30:14] Kim Monson: You recently just did a show on your podcast, Crossroads, about censorship.
[30:18] Kim Monson: What's your thoughts about what is happening?
[30:23] Kim Monson: This Biden administration, we're seeing it at the national level.
[30:26] Kim Monson: We're seeing it out here in Colorado because we have radical, regressive activists in both our House and our Senate out here, as well as the governorship.
[30:35] Kim Monson: What's your thoughts on what's happening in America right now with censorship?
[30:39] SPEAKER_11: I mean, the real irony of it is when you have, say, big government working together with big corporations, this whole merging of the corporate system with the government system, that is actual fascism.
[30:52] SPEAKER_11: And this is the terrible irony of it, is that these groups are using this narrative, you know, saying white nationalism and fascism and so on, to censor websites that they say are spreading misinformation, which is really just a word of saying people who say something other than the narrative they're pushing.
[31:10] SPEAKER_11: is that they're actually engaging in the very thing they claim to oppose.
[31:13] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, yeah, as you mentioned, you had two House members trying to push the different publishing networks, whether it be cable or others, to de- platform Fox News, Newsmax,and OANN.
[31:25] SPEAKER_11: And, I mean, like, you know, these guys are technically competitors of the Epoch Times.
[31:29] SPEAKER_11: But I'd hate to see that happen.
[31:31] SPEAKER_11: You know, this is government basically understanding they don't have the legal rights under the Constitution to directly censor.
[31:38] SPEAKER_11: And so they're pressing big tech to do it for them.
[31:42] SPEAKER_11: This, again, partnership between big government and big corporations.
[31:45] Kim Monson: Well, they're talking about antitrust action by the government.
[31:52] Kim Monson: And I never like to have government be the answer.
[31:55] Kim Monson: But I was talking with a friend of mine, and she said, and normally, we're like free and fair markets.
[32:02] Kim Monson: But she said, with what is going on right now, that she would entertain the idea of pushing for antitrust action on this.
[32:12] SPEAKER_11: You know, I've heard that, and I'll be honest, what concerns me is that it seems like that is kind of the push going on, not just by the Democrats in the U.
[32:23] SPEAKER_11: S., but actually bya lot of leftist groups in other countries in the world as well.
[32:28] SPEAKER_11: My question would be, one, would that actually stop the issue of censorship?
[32:31] SPEAKER_11: When they have a.
[32:32] SPEAKER_11: It's not a monopoly on the corporate level, it's a monopoly of the systems themselves, and this seems like a way of maintaining that type of monopoly.
[32:39] SPEAKER_11: Letting them, for example, the platform pro- you know other competitors like parlor, for example- letting them censor people as they see fit right, so on, without actually fixing the core problem, which is that, you know again, they have a monopoly not just on the corporate level but on the systems level, and this seems like a way of bypassing that entire discussion and saying: oh, we did something about it without actually solving the core problem.
[33:03] SPEAKER_11: Well, how would we do that then, Josh?
[33:06] Kim Monson: Well, you know, this is the point I've been making.
[33:12] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, I have friends, of course, who, you know, make the point, and it's a fair point, that you can't call big business censorship a violation.
[33:17] SPEAKER_11: business censorship a violation.
[33:20] SPEAKER_11: of the First Amendment and their interpretation.
[33:22] SPEAKER_11: Now, if you really want to argue on constitutional grounds whether the First Amendment protects free speech in general or just from government regulating speech, I'd say it's debatable.
[33:32] SPEAKER_11: But, you know, really, of course, if you're a newspaper and someone tries to force you to publish an op-ed and you don't want to publish it, that's a type of censorship, fair enough, right?
[33:41] SPEAKER_11: And I think we should agree that, you know, big government and big business can't compel you as an individual to say something you don't want to say.
[33:50] SPEAKER_11: even though I'd say they're going against that as well with some of this talk around censorship on whether it's race or far-left policies on progressive issues, leave it at that.
[34:04] SPEAKER_11: But I think the big issue is this.
[34:06] SPEAKER_11: The vehicle they're using to censor, the system they're using that allows these companies to basically avoid any kind of lawsuit, any kind of public action to stop them from doing what they're doing, the vehicle that they're using to carry out censorship like this is a government program, namely Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which gives these big corporations legal immunity, essentially, to do whatever they want, on the grounds, again, that they're platforms, meaning that people say whatever they want on there.
[34:39] SPEAKER_11: They don't have the ability to censor it because there's too many voices versus publishers who pick and choose what they're publishing.
[34:46] SPEAKER_11: And so the very basis of this whole censorship regime they're pushing out, the very basis of the way they're behaving as businesses, and the very problem behind all this, which is there's no system of recourse because they have legal immunity, is from government policy.
[35:04] SPEAKER_11: And so could we consider that government policy itself something that violates the First Amendment, since the government policy is the vehicle for it?
[35:13] Kim Monson: Okay, now speaking of government policy, out here, you're not going to believe this, Josh, out here in Colorado, Senator Kerry Donovan, who is apparently going to be challenging, excuse me just a second, who's going to be challenging Representative Lauren Boebert for the congressional seat here in 2022.
[35:36] Kim Monson: And Kerry Donovan has introduced Senate Bill 21, It's 132 out here, and it's called Digital Communications Regulation.
[35:45] Kim Monson: And basically what they are going to require is that anybody that has a digital platform, that they have to register with the Department of Regulatory Affairs out here and pay a fee.
[35:58] Kim Monson: And if you don't do that, you could be fined$ 5,000 a day.
[36:03] Kim Monson: And there's going to be a bureaucratic commission that will hold hearings on claims filed with the division alleging that a digital communications platform has allowed a person to engage in one or more unfair or discriminatory digital communication practices.
[36:20] Kim Monson: And these could include hate speech, undermining election integrity, disseminating intentional disinformation, conspiracy theories or fake news, or authorizing courage or carry out violations of users' privacy.
[36:37] Kim Monson: I think that this is the Petri dish where they are trying all these very draconian, tyrannical things.
[36:46] SPEAKER_11: That's absolutely terrifying.
[36:49] SPEAKER_11: Something like that would even be able to be pushed on American soil, in my opinion.
[36:54] SPEAKER_11: I would say this is the kind of stuff you find in communist China, where discussion on anything that is not state approved, essentially, is deemed illegal.
[37:06] SPEAKER_11: Where, you know, criticizing the government, questioning the integrity of government action is itself considered illegal.
[37:12] SPEAKER_11: If we as a country can't have an open and fair election system, and if you question whether it's open and fair, because getting in criticism is usually what leads to reforms, if you can't even question it, then how are we going to have public scrutiny maintaining the integrity of our systems?
[37:29] SPEAKER_11: That was the basis of the Fourth Estate, is that media should hold government accountable.
[37:33] SPEAKER_11: And if media is no longer able to criticize government or call into question the integrity of government, whether it's the election systems or, you know, the way other things are doing, how can we have a free country?
[37:44] SPEAKER_11: And then again, who determines what is the definition of hate speech?
[37:48] SPEAKER_11: I would say that, for example, discriminating against white people is also hate speech.
[37:53] SPEAKER_11: Is that going to be hate speech, or is it just the discrimination that they choose to label as discrimination?
[37:59] SPEAKER_11: You know, this is where you get into the war of narratives and the alteration of language itself.
[38:03] SPEAKER_11: They can play with language, play with definitions, establish talking points, and then say you can't criticize these talking points.
[38:11] SPEAKER_11: And again, this is the kind of stuff you find in communist countries.
[38:16] Kim Monson: And Josh, as I mentioned, it seems like that they try everything.
[38:21] Kim Monson: I mean, Colorado has become a petri dish out here for these kinds of different draconian, tyrannical issues that are being pushed forward.
[38:32] Kim Monson: And I'm not quite sure what we can do about this out here right now, Josh, because we have a very radical, regressive statehouse, senate, as well as governor.
[38:44] Kim Monson: What would you recommend for us out here in Colorado?
[38:48] SPEAKER_11: You know what?
[38:50] SPEAKER_11: Actually, I got back from CPAC just recently.
[38:52] SPEAKER_11: Something really surprised me.
[38:54] SPEAKER_11: Almost every single person I talk to seems to be getting engaged or building something now, that is a grassroots movement.
[39:05] SPEAKER_11: There are grassroots movements springing up right now across the entire conservative, libertarian, even Republican spectrum.
[39:11] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, this is how things get done.
[39:14] SPEAKER_11: Keep in mind, you know, the left did this for decades.
[39:16] SPEAKER_11: I mean, going back to the 1960s, maybe even earlier.
[39:20] SPEAKER_11: And the right has been almost totally disengaged on this, which is community organizing.
[39:25] SPEAKER_11: This doesn't mean violence.
[39:26] SPEAKER_11: This doesn't mean, you know, doing anything wrong.
[39:28] SPEAKER_11: It means getting people together and picketing, protesting, calling local representatives, calling up the media and telling them what's going on.
[39:35] SPEAKER_11: I can tell you as a journalist, I'm surprised.
[39:38] SPEAKER_11: I haven't even heard about this.
[39:39] SPEAKER_11: It's shocking.
[39:40] SPEAKER_11: So what's happening in your local area there?
[39:47] SPEAKER_11: Letting all the big media know, starting up discussion, holding politicians accountable while we still can by calling out policies like this.
[39:53] SPEAKER_11: and having journalists like myself call these people and ask them why they're doing it.
[39:59] SPEAKER_11: Because programs like this really should not even exist on American soil.
[40:03] SPEAKER_11: Programs like this should be deemed illegal and unethical across the board when government tries to not only, let's say, manage what you can or can't say, but try to punish platforms for allowing people to even say it in the first place.
[40:17] SPEAKER_11: It's crazy what's happening.
[40:19] Kim Monson: Well, and an idea, I mean, we need to be able to kick the tires on an issue or an idea.
[40:27] Kim Monson: And if, in fact, instead of engaging in this battle of ideas, and Josh, we talk about this all the time on the show, engage in this battle of ideas.
[40:36] Kim Monson: And if your idea is so bad that you can't have it stand up to any scrutiny, then that should be a cause for concern.
[40:47] Kim Monson: I'm going to send you the information on this.
[40:50] Kim Monson: If you wrote something about this in the Epoch Times, I would love that, because I think it's important that people across the country understand what's going on, because they're trying it in Colorado, and then they're trying to export it to other states, Josh.
[41:04] SPEAKER_11: Yeah, and that's how they work.
[41:06] SPEAKER_11: You know, they try it in one place, they get it passed to one place, they start replicating it.
[41:13] SPEAKER_11: You know, and again, I specialize, again, in one of my main beats is exposing Chinese Communist Party subversion.
[41:16] SPEAKER_11: They do the same thing.
[41:17] SPEAKER_11: The first place they test a lot of their programs for the U.
[41:21] SPEAKER_11: S.
[41:21] SPEAKER_11: is Australia.
[41:22] SPEAKER_11: If it succeeds in Australia, they put it in place in Canada.
[41:24] SPEAKER_11: If it succeeds in Canada, they do it in the U.
[41:27] SPEAKER_11: S.
[41:27] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, this is just the way these groups work.
[41:30] SPEAKER_11: They want to have testing grounds where they try things out.
[41:32] SPEAKER_11: If it works, if they can replicate some parts of it, they look at what's criticized, what are they able to go through, so on.
[41:40] SPEAKER_11: And they'll do it in areas, again, where, as you mentioned, they have pretty much total political control and where they can do it without a whole lot of public attention.
[41:47] SPEAKER_11: I mean, I'd say media attention, folks like you and myself.
[41:51] Kim Monson: Well, and I find it absolutely terrifying because it goes after these voices like ours that are independent voices, and we are looking for truth and clarity on these issues.
[42:04] Kim Monson: And the censorship in America, I think, Josh, started a long time ago.
[42:09] Kim Monson: And when we come back, we'll talk about that.
[42:11] Kim Monson: And that is where it was said in polite company, you don't talk about politics or religion.
[42:17] Kim Monson: I'm thinking, what else is there to talk about?
[42:19] Kim Monson: Josh Phillip, we're going to go to break.
[42:21] Kim Monson: When we come back, we'll continue the conversation.
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[44:15] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Josh Phillip.
[44:17] Kim Monson: He is an award-winning reporter with the Epoch Times where we've been talking about censorship.
[44:24] Kim Monson: And just to button up my question from when we got on a break, Josh, and this really started, I think, a long time ago, censorship, where they said in a polite company, don't talk about politics and religion.
[44:38] Kim Monson: And I think for many, many conservatives, we did that.
[44:43] Kim Monson: And we kind of lost the narrative on that because I had come to realize that those that were saying to not talk about politics or religion were actually down at the Statehouse trying to affect politics.
[44:59] Kim Monson: And we lost the narrative for a little while, Josh.
[45:03] SPEAKER_11: You're totally right.
[45:05] SPEAKER_11: And I remember hearing that standard as well.
[45:08] SPEAKER_11: In fact, this is why for many, many years, if you jump on my Twitter accounts or social media accounts, I hardly talk about politics.
[45:17] SPEAKER_11: I kept the gentleman's code, as they call it, not just in personal company, but also on social media.
[45:24] SPEAKER_11: Maybe it kept me out of trouble.
[45:27] SPEAKER_11: It's looking back now.
[45:29] SPEAKER_11: I have a pretty mild Twitter feed going back since I started it.
[45:35] SPEAKER_11: But yeah, it's true.
[45:36] SPEAKER_11: What happens when basically one side of the argument is totally silent?
[45:41] SPEAKER_11: Because, you know, the way normal discourse happens, they talk about dialectics, right?
[45:46] SPEAKER_11: Socratic dialectics, all the interaction of opposites.
[45:49] SPEAKER_11: If one side just totally self-censors itself, if one side totally goes quiet, then, yeah, the other side is going to dominate the discussion.
[45:56] SPEAKER_11: And that's exactly what happened in this country.
[45:58] SPEAKER_11: You're spot on, Kim.
[45:59] SPEAKER_11: I fully agree with you.
[46:00] Kim Monson: And it took me a long time to realize this.
[46:05] Kim Monson: I had been with a group of girls, known them for many, many years.
[46:12] Kim Monson: And we were talking about kind of hot issues.
[46:20] Kim Monson: And then one of the girls reached out to me and said, Kim, I don't think that we should talk about politics when we get together.
[46:28] Kim Monson: And I'm thinking, oh, I want to honor our friendship.
[46:33] Kim Monson: And I reached back out and I said, you know what, you're asking me to censor my voice.
[46:38] Kim Monson: And if that's the case, if we can't talk about these issues, then maybe we need to move on.
[46:45] Kim Monson: And that was a big thing in my life, Josh, when I realized that because they disagreed with what I said, that they didn't want to hear it.
[46:53] Kim Monson: I realized that I really probably needed to move on, Josh.
[46:59] SPEAKER_11: You know, I have a lot of people on my show asking this question too: is you know what what you know?
[47:04] SPEAKER_11: How can they even talk to people?
[47:05] SPEAKER_11: How can they reason with people?
[47:06] SPEAKER_11: At this point?
[47:07] SPEAKER_11: I think everybody has friends or family members who they're having conflicts with right now, because politics have become so pointed, and I think they're only becoming so pointed because of the lack of this discussion.
[47:19] SPEAKER_11: I think we're kind of reaping what we've sown to some extent.
[47:23] SPEAKER_11: You know, if people are never exposed to the other side of the argument, if people are never exposed to the facts on the other side of the spectrum that are not being shown in most of the mainstream media, then when you start saying it, it comes off as it comes out of nowhere.
[47:39] SPEAKER_11: They're like, oh, that's conspiracy theory.
[47:40] SPEAKER_11: I've never heard this before.
[47:43] SPEAKER_11: When in reality, it's just the other side of the discussion, if not the whole picture of the discussion.
[47:48] SPEAKER_11: And when they start hearing that, it starts breaking down all these narratives they've been fed, many of which is just not true.
[47:55] SPEAKER_11: And when it comes to the stage where it's gone on for years, it's like you're trying to chip away at a person's entire worldview.
[48:05] SPEAKER_11: And for a lot of people, you know, hitting on that level of someone's basic perception of reality at this point is something that's going to be difficult, if not, and probably extremely uncomfortable for them to start doing.
[48:17] SPEAKER_11: And so, yeah, this is where the debate is at, unfortunately.
[48:20] Kim Monson: I'm encouraged though, Josh, when you take a look at possibly 75, 80 million people voted for Donald Trump.
[48:30] Kim Monson: And I really think that, you know, what they said, what about half of the people that voted for Biden, if they'd known about the whole thing with Hunter Biden and the relationship between the Bidens and China, that they would not have voted for Biden.
[48:46] Kim Monson: So I do feel that even though we may have people in our lives that just want to plug their ears and say, I don't want to hear it, and then we have legislators that say that they want to shut down voices, I think there's a big, big, broad swath of Americans that are saying, wait a minute.
[49:06] SPEAKER_11: I fully agree.
[49:08] SPEAKER_11: I'd say the government right now, at least on the left, is being dragged along by the very, very far left.
[49:15] SPEAKER_11: And I would argue that a lot of Democrats don't align with that.
[49:19] SPEAKER_11: A lot of Democrats, I think, are more classical Democrats, even classical liberals, who are technically more like libertarians in their viewpoints, who don't identify with those extreme ideologies and actually get offended when people try to group them in with those extreme ideologies without actually looking at the technical details of policy and saying, oh, wait a minute, looks like these guys are actually the ones influencing what my local politician is doing and saying.
[49:42] SPEAKER_11: But every time government oversteps its boundaries, every time they start doing things like you mentioned, censoring free speech, even working together with big companies for censorship, I'd say there's a group of people who wake up and say, wait a second, you know, something's not right here.
[49:56] SPEAKER_11: I was actually looking.
[50:00] SPEAKER_11: at some of the polls on, for example, even Democrats who support or oppose socialism.
[50:06] SPEAKER_11: And after the Biden administration kind of came into power, you saw a lot of people starting to turn more and more against this stuff.
[50:15] SPEAKER_11: You can even look at, for example, them kind of tearing each other apart right now.
[50:19] SPEAKER_11: It's happening in New York, Governor Cuomo, a great example of it.
[50:22] SPEAKER_11: You're going to start seeing a lot of politicians tearing each other apart, not from the left and the right, but from the far left and the more centrist Democrats.
[50:31] SPEAKER_11: Even, for example, politics like the trans movement versus the feminist movement, you're going to start watching a lot of tension spark up.
[50:40] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, the interesting thing is, is a lot of these policies typically work on, if you go to communism, socialism, work on the struggle of opposite.
[50:48] SPEAKER_11: And what you've seen, ironically, is a pretty large disengagement from a lot of conservatives, especially after, I think January 6th, where a lot of conservatives kind of got disenfranchised or disheartened, and it kind of just went quiet.
[51:02] SPEAKER_11: That means pretty much the whole argument and the whole, you know, dialectic, if I can do that again, is between the far left and these more centrist Democrats in power.
[51:11] SPEAKER_11: You're going to watch them tear each other apart, I think.
[51:15] Kim Monson: Well, do you think that is why it seems like it's been warp speed of all these terrible, terrible policies and legislation that's coming forward out of here in Colorado, but also on the national level, like HR1?
[51:30] Kim Monson: What's the chances of that being passed, Josh?
[51:33] Kim Monson: And that's that big voter dilution, your diluting your vote legislation, I'm going to call it.
[51:40] SPEAKER_11: Yeah, well, anyone who reads into that, it's pretty concerning, I would say.
[51:47] SPEAKER_11: It basically institutionalizes from the federal level every single change that was made to our election systems across the country in 2020 that was deemed, say, controversial or of concern for most people.
[52:00] SPEAKER_11: Things like, you know, universal mail-in ballots and stuff like this.
[52:04] SPEAKER_11: It pretty much pulls out every safeguard we have in our election system, pretty much takes every change that was made by local governors bypassing the state legislatures, which in itself should have been illegal.
[52:15] SPEAKER_11: And many people are arguing it was illegal.
[52:19] SPEAKER_11: There's some arguments on that, you know, legal arguments.
[52:22] SPEAKER_11: Taking all that and just making it federal law, so this will be the way things are going forward.
[52:27] SPEAKER_11: The reality is they probably won't get past the filibuster, but we'll have to see.
[52:31] SPEAKER_11: But, yeah, as you mentioned, too, this is, again, part of the bigger concern, I think, in the country right now going forward.
[52:38] SPEAKER_11: I'd say they're pushing things to very extreme levels, and you have a lot of people feeling that they can't do anything about it.
[52:48] SPEAKER_11: Actually, if I could say one thing on that, which people might find somewhat encouraging, I had a great interview with Trevor Loudon.
[52:54] SPEAKER_11: He's, I think, one of the leading anti-communists in the country, really incredible guy.
[52:59] SPEAKER_11: He made a really good point during a recent interview I had with him.
[53:03] SPEAKER_11: He explained these things as shock and awe tactics, because whether it's the spending bill, whether it's H.
[53:09] SPEAKER_11: R.
[53:10] SPEAKER_11: 1, whether it's the other really extreme policies, what the Biden administration is doing with these executive orders, what the far left is doing with their different policies.
[53:18] SPEAKER_11: They're doing things pretty much to the extreme degree, the most extreme degree they can possibly push them.
[53:25] SPEAKER_11: And they're doing things like, for example, even the gun regulations they're pushing out that go against, I'd say, not only constitutional rights, but even things that a lot of centrist and moderate Democrats would think are, you know, rights that should be protected.
[53:45] SPEAKER_11: He described these as shock and awe tactics, and the real effect of shock and awe tactics, whether they can actually get passed or not, as we mentioned, this may not deliberate the syllabus with HR1, whether they can get passed or not, it has the effect of making people basically say, wow, this is crazy, there's nothing I can do about it, and they just disengage and they go quiet.
[54:02] SPEAKER_11: And, you know, this seems to be the case.
[54:04] SPEAKER_11: If you talk about communist subversion, that's what you would call demoralization, where people give up, they give up hope, and they just say, I'm done, nothing I can do about it, country's lost, you know, take it.
[54:16] SPEAKER_11: And essentially the far left is able to just dominate from that point forward.
[54:20] SPEAKER_11: I think that's the strategy with this person.
[54:22] Kim Monson: But we're Americans, and actually Helen just mentioned to me, it's something called the Overton Window, where they're trying to move kind of the public opinion narrative culture to their movement there.
[54:37] Kim Monson: We only have about a minute left, Josh.
[54:39] Kim Monson: But we're Americans, and I don't think that's going to work.
[54:48] SPEAKER_11: Fully agreed.
[54:49] SPEAKER_11: You know, what they'll always try to do is basically establish the new talking point, and they say nothing outside of this talking point is allowed speech.
[54:58] SPEAKER_11: And they would only do that if they.
[55:00] SPEAKER_11: I think they would only resort to censorship if they feared that actual public free speech, with their their ideas, would not be able to withstand the scrutiny of public speech.
[55:10] SPEAKER_11: And the fact is, there are still voices like yourself, still voices like Epoch Times out there that are not going to go silent, that are not going to go quiet.
[55:18] SPEAKER_11: And I would say that's something in the American culture in general, you know, like it or not, America has a strong like bandit culture.
[55:26] SPEAKER_11: You know, we're outlaws and stuff like this.
[55:29] SPEAKER_11: The country really has always aggrandized this kind of going against the grain.
[55:34] SPEAKER_11: And it's, I think, somewhat a negative trait about Americans, but it also has its positive side, which is that Americans are not the kind of people who are just going to bend the knee and give in to things like this.
[55:45] Kim Monson: Josh, Philip, you're absolutely right.
[55:48] Kim Monson: We are out of time, but thank you so much.
[55:49] Kim Monson: It's always great to have you on the show.
[55:52] SPEAKER_11: A real pleasure, Kim.
[55:52] SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
[55:53] Kim Monson: And Helen Jean Mitchell, thank you so much for your sponsorship of this important show.
[55:58] Helen Mitchell: It's good to keep the airways open for this sort of discussion.
[56:03] Kim Monson: Our quote for today is from John Locke.
[56:05] Kim Monson: He said, I have always thought the actions of men are the best interpreters of their thoughts.
[56:18] Kim Monson: Strive for high ideals and like Superman.
[56:20] Kim Monson: Stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[56:23] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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