[00:05] Show Announcer: It's the Kim Monson show analyzing the most important story out here in Colorado, we had a sex education bill that was passed.
[00:13] Kim Monson: It was signed by the governor and put into law.
[00:15] Kim Monson: I just can't believe what is happening to a public education, the latest in politics and world affairs.
[00:20] Kim Monson: We are now using policy that if you don't affirm something, that they use policy, then to take away your businesses.
[00:27] Show Announcer: Today's current opinions and ideas.
[00:30] Kim Monson: Kids are just being bombarded with darkness.
[00:33] Show Announcer: Is it freedom or is it force?
[00:34] Show Announcer: Let's have a conversation.
[00:37] Kim Monson: You know, we need to get back to letting our kids be kids.
[00:40] Producer Steve: Oh, guess what day it is.
[00:43] Producer Steve: Guess what day it is.
[00:45] Producer Steve: Leslie, guess what today is.
[00:47] Producer Steve: It's hump day.
[00:52] Kim Monson: I am Kim Monson and we're going to have some great conversations today.
[00:55] Kim Monson: In studio with me are two amazing women, Susan Kochavar.
[01:00] Kim Monson: She is the owner of the Historic 88 Drive-In Theater.
[01:03] Kim Monson: It's great to have you here, Susan.
[01:04] Kim Monson: And Patty Kurgan, you are a small businesswoman.
[01:08] Kim Monson: It's great to have you here as well.
[01:09] Kim Monson: Thank you for having me and good morning to all your listeners.
[01:13] Kim Monson: Well, we're going to be talking about some things that could really affect Colorado and the family leave potential legislation that may be coming down the pike, this forced minimum wage, what that's doing, possibly single payer.
[01:27] Kim Monson: And then, of course, we're going to be talking about impeachment today.
[01:31] Kim Monson: As we look at these issues, we look at them as freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[01:37] Kim Monson: Socialism ultimately comes down to force.
[01:41] Kim Monson: And remember, Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers Party.
[01:46] Kim Monson: And typically over time, people, every day, hard-working people, don't do very well.
[01:51] Kim Monson: Under socialism, it gets down to elites, the haves and the have-nots, and we're seeing that play out in some of our states, such as california, where public policy is picking winners and losers, and that's one of the things that we, that this whole family leave bill, will be doing as well.
[02:13] Kim Monson: You really shouldn't have to use force to make it happen.
[02:17] Kim Monson: And we continued it in Colorado to see the socialization of transportation, education, energy, housing, water, communications, and data.
[02:26] Kim Monson: And government, you know, Susan, I'm going to throw this over to you.
[02:30] Kim Monson: Government does have some functions.
[02:35] Kim Monson: These things that I just mentioned, government should not take them over.
[02:38] Kim Monson: They should stay out of the way, but make sure that they can thrive in a free market.
[02:46] Susan Kochevar: One of the issues is we have so much government all the way down to the local level.
[02:52] Susan Kochevar: There is no way you can run your business and pay attention to it.
[02:56] Susan Kochevar: All of the boards and commissions and city council and county commissioners and all of the boards and study groups and different things that the state does.
[03:05] Susan Kochevar: You can't even follow legislation at the state capitol.
[03:17] Susan Kochevar: At this point, we're at billions of cuts, and it's really starting to impact Colorado terribly.
[03:25] Kim Monson: And, you know, Patty, we've been talking, and nationally, Colorado is held as kind of a bellwether, as a great economy.
[03:31] Kim Monson: and I would submit to you that it is because of TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, and it's kept government somewhat in check.
[03:41] Kim Monson: Even though government has continued to grow more than inflation plus population, it has at least kept it somewhat in check.
[03:48] Kim Monson: But we are seeing all these kind of workarounds, and if this continues, I think what Susan said is this great economy, I mean, we can really take it off the rails.
[04:04] Patti Kurgan: So even with the paid family leave, they're talking about a premium.
[04:10] Patti Kurgan: So instead of asking us, the employees and the employers, if we think this is a valid and good program that they want instituted by the state of Colorado, they're going to go behind our back, say, we know better.
[04:23] Patti Kurgan: We're just going to ram this down your throat.
[04:27] Patti Kurgan: And give us your dollar through Through a fee and not a tax.
[04:34] Kim Monson: Colorado was built on rugged individuals and, you know, not on our watch.
[04:38] Kim Monson: We're going to fight this big time.
[04:40] Kim Monson: So it's great to have you ladies here.
[04:42] Susan Kochevar: And to Patty's point, everything, the answer to everything that comes out of all these bureaucrats is fees and taxes.
[04:48] Susan Kochevar: To the point where CDOT now is talking about taxing Uber, Lyft, and Amazon.
[04:53] Susan Kochevar: Anybody that delivers anything to you as if those folks don't pay taxes in their gases.
[04:59] Kim Monson: Steve, you look like you wanted to jump in here.
[05:02] Producer Steve: I just want to piggyback on what Patty just said.
[05:05] Producer Steve: We know better, so we're going to do this.
[05:07] Producer Steve: And, oh, if we happen to buy some votes on the way, wouldn't that be a good thing?
[05:12] Kim Monson: Well, I want to say thank you to Steve and to Patty and to Keith and Zach and Charlie for your good support, your great work.
[05:20] Kim Monson: And also thank you to you listeners.
[05:25] Kim Monson: Take care of your heart, soul, mind, and body.
[05:28] Kim Monson: We are Americans, we're Coloradans, and we need to remember that.
[05:32] Kim Monson: The show, you can get all the recaps at my website.
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[05:38] Kim Monson: And email me at Kim at Kim Monson as well.
[05:42] Kim Monson: And I'm just a little bit behind on those emails.
[05:44] Kim Monson: I love hearing from you, so I'll beat it back to all of you by the end of the week on that.
[05:49] Kim Monson: Our quote for today is Jean de la Fontaine.
[05:54] Kim Monson: He was a French fabulist and one of the most widely read French poets of the 17th century.
[06:02] Kim Monson: He's known above for all his fables, which provided a model for subsequent fableists across Europe and numerous alternative versions in France and French regional languages.
[06:13] Kim Monson: As a kid, do you guys remember reading fables all the time and how it told stories about life?
[06:19] Kim Monson: Aesop's fables, you know, all those things.
[06:21] Kim Monson: Anyway, he lived from Steve 1621 to 1695.
[06:27] Kim Monson: And I chose this quote because as we look at what is going on with impeachment and the actions of people versus what they say, he says, by the work, one knows the workman.
[06:39] Kim Monson: By the work, one knows the workman.
[06:42] Kim Monson: And Steve, he lived from 1621 to 1695.
[06:46] Kim Monson: I know that always kind of, you always like to think about how long ago these people said these very wise things.
[06:53] Producer Steve: I'm just sitting here thinking, take that simple quote and apply it to government.
[07:01] Producer Steve: And I'll leave it there.
[07:03] Kim Monson: Okay, I have three funnies for you.
[07:05] Producer Steve: Hey, I cheated.
[07:06] Producer Steve: I looked ahead.
[07:07] Producer Steve: These are funny.
[07:08] Producer Steve: Okay.
[07:09] Kim Monson: Why did the radical Boulder Denver activist get so excited when she finished the jigsaw puzzle after only six months?
[07:17] Kim Monson: Because on the box it said from two to four years.
[07:20] Kim Monson: Number two, why did the radical Boulder Denver activist, what did the radical Boulder Denver activist name her pet zebra?
[07:29] Kim Monson: Number three, what did the radical Boulder Denver activist say when she knocked over a priceless Ming vase at the Museum of Science and History?
[07:43] Producer Steve: That one.
[07:45] Producer Steve: That one is, you know, it's all about me.
[07:48] Producer Steve: Yes.
[07:50] Kim Monson: Just a few things I want you to know about.
[07:56] Kim Monson: Susan, you are a valued partner, and I greatly appreciate it.
[08:02] Kim Monson: And they are raising money with Little Ricci's New York Pizzeria Stores for a Bikes for Tykes program.
[08:07] Kim Monson: It's a realities for children charities, and they buy helmets and bicycles for local children who have been abused or neglected or are at risk for being abused and neglected.
[08:19] Kim Monson: 100%of all the donated funds will go to the kids.
[08:21] Kim Monson: And so they're doing a variety of things.
[08:23] Kim Monson: They're going to have a big event on Friday night at the Hooters restaurant up in Loveland.
[08:28] Kim Monson: But they could certainly use help with silent auction items or cash donations.
[08:34] Kim Monson: You can just drop by or you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com and I'll get you connected.
[08:38] Kim Monson: But I would highly recommend helping these little kids out.
[08:41] Kim Monson: And thank you to Hooters restaurants for doing that.
[08:43] Kim Monson: Secondly, you guys, Christmas is just two weeks away.
[08:49] Kim Monson: And so let's enjoy this time, this holiday time.
[08:52] Kim Monson: New Year's is right around the corner.
[08:56] Kim Monson: That is the day that this legislature goes into session.
[09:00] Kim Monson: We are having our Stand for Colorado rally, our 2020 rally.
[09:04] Kim Monson: It'll be on January 8th, 11 o'clock onthe west steps of the Capitol.
[09:11] Kim Monson: If you need to take a little time off extra for lunch, get your mittens and your muffler and your hat and be ready to be there.
[09:18] Kim Monson: Because we need to show them that we are watching.
[09:21] Kim Monson: Because if they think that we don't care, if they don't think that we're really watching them, then they're going to continue on.
[09:31] Kim Monson: Somebody said the other night to me, Kim, does it really matter?
[09:35] Kim Monson: But, Patty, I think it does matter.
[09:38] Patti Kurgan: If nobody shows up or if we're not active within the Capitol during the session, they really will think we don't care.
[09:45] Patti Kurgan: The impact that we had last year was noteworthy.
[09:49] Patti Kurgan: Even from what I heard was that there was a lot of talk about.
[09:56] Patti Kurgan: We've never seen so many people inside the Capitol.
[10:00] Patti Kurgan: So there was a little bit of fear put into our state elected officials because of our presence.
[10:06] Kim Monson: So day one, we're going to be there.
[10:08] Kim Monson: So that's put that on your calendar, January 8th and 11 o'clock West stepsof the Capitol and be there or be square.
[10:16] Kim Monson: And then third, we're starting our salon series in 2020.
[10:19] Kim Monson: And on January 13th at Water's Edge Winery, Helen Raleigh and Dr.
[10:25] Kim Monson: Paul Prentice will be presenting their workshop.
[10:27] Kim Monson: I guess it was standing room only at the Western Conservative Summit.
[10:31] Kim Monson: The punches to knock down democratic socialism, and so again email me.
[10:37] Kim Monson: We're going to get an event bright up for that, but that should be pretty special as well.
[10:40] Kim Monson: I know Susan, you're going to be there.
[10:42] Susan Kochevar: One word about January 8th event also: if you don't show up, that gives them then fodder to say: well, no one showed up, no one must care.
[10:55] Susan Kochevar: Even if they keep passing this stuff, at least it takes that away from them.
[10:59] Kim Monson: And we'll have action items for things that we can do.
[11:05] Kim Monson: And I know, I mean, it's right around the corner.
[11:08] Kim Monson: It seems like it's a long ways away, but it's right around the corner.
[11:12] Kim Monson: Steve, I think what let's do, let's go to break early so that we can come back and let's talk about impeachment.
[11:18] Kim Monson: I know you have a couple of soundbites.
[11:25] Kim Monson: When we come back, I've got Susan Kochivar and Patty Kurgan in studio.
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[12:43] Audio Clips: Ireallycan't stay But baby it's cold outside I've got to go away But baby it's cold outside Oh, we might just let that play.
[12:59] Kim Monson: We're going to be the rebels and let that just play out.
[13:04] Kim Monson: I'm Kim Monson, and we have in studio Susan Kochevar and Patty Kurgan.
[13:08] Kim Monson: And before we went to break, we were talking about our Stand for Colorado rally.
[13:12] Kim Monson: And you know, I think people say: well, what does it matter if I show up?
[13:17] Kim Monson: And Susan, you had made a comment that we need to show up, and then, Steve, we weren't even letting you talk.
[13:23] Producer Steve: Well, I'm not here to talk, especially with three ladies, I think it occurred to me while you were talking about- is like: I think sometimes the people under the Golden Dome depend on us not caring, they factor it into what they're doing well.
[13:40] Kim Monson: And the other thing they do- and Susan, you alluded to this, we were talking during during break, and that is is they create all these boards and commissions.
[13:47] Kim Monson: They appoint the people to these boards and commissions.
[13:51] Kim Monson: So, in essence, the boards and commissions do their will.
[13:55] Kim Monson: But yet, uh, you may get to a meeting then and you say: well, you know, you may get like to the city council meeting, say, I am so concerned about this and they're like: well, we had these boards and commissions meetings.
[14:12] Kim Monson: I really think we need to roll back these boards and commissions so that we hold these politicians that get into office accountable.
[14:18] Kim Monson: We need to get back to representative government.
[14:21] Susan Kochevar: And to that point, how many people know that all of the that, that that, like the State Board of Health and all these other, every single organization there is like that has all their rule promulgation meetings.
[14:36] Susan Kochevar: I didn't for a long time, and that's where a lot of this sausage is made, and who can show up for all of that stuff?
[14:43] Susan Kochevar: Think of all of the different entities that affect your business: trying to show up to all that stuff and make your comment, and then you're only one business person.
[14:51] Kim Monson: You have three minutes and you have three minutes and you may have to sit there for hours.
[14:55] Kim Monson: I think I told you this that I went down to testify regarding the rules on the I think was the zero emission vehicles and and they said they were going to have public comment, I think from like 6 to 8..
[15:09] Kim Monson: 15 because Ihad other things to do.
[15:11] Kim Monson: And apparently nobody else, very few people were there at 6.
[15:19] Kim Monson: And here I'd driven all the way down there.
[15:22] Kim Monson: So let's jump in here yesterday, impeachment.
[15:25] Kim Monson: It's astonishing what is happening in America today.
[15:30] Kim Monson: But let's start off with these sound bites that you have for us, Steve.
[15:33] Producer Steve: Okay, here's probably the one that's gotten the most airtime.
[15:37] Producer Steve: And again, I beg people to listen and then read between the lines.
[15:42] Audio Clips: I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get reelected.
[15:46] Audio Clips: That was Senator Al Green from Texas, or Congressman.
[15:51] Kim Monson: Representative Al Green from Texas.
[15:53] Producer Steve: And again, read between the lines.
[15:55] Producer Steve: What is he saying there?
[15:57] Producer Steve: He's saying, if I can paraphrase, we need a way to short circuit the vote.
[16:01] Producer Steve: Yep.
[16:01] Producer Steve: Yeah.
[16:02] Producer Steve: Okay.
[16:03] Music Outro: All right.
[16:04] Producer Steve: Now, the other bite I have is much more newer than that.
[16:07] Producer Steve: Remember, we have two AOCs here on the Kim Monson show.
[16:10] Producer Steve: The good AOC.
[16:11] Producer Steve: Amy Oliver Cook.
[16:13] Producer Steve: Thank you.
[16:14] Producer Steve: And then the bad AOC.
[16:16] Producer Steve: And this is her flapping her gums.
[16:17] AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez): We also need to move quite quickly because we're talking about the potential compromise of the 2020 elections.
[16:25] AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez): And so this is not just about something that has occurred.
[16:32] Producer Steve: This is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome from occurring next year.
[16:34] Producer Steve: What do you think she means by that, Steve?
[16:36] Producer Steve: What's my question to you guys?
[16:37] Producer Steve: What potentially disastrous outcome?
[16:38] Producer Steve: potentially disastrous outcome?
[16:40] Producer Steve: come could a Democrat possibly think could happen in 2020?
[16:46] Producer Steve: Absolutely.
[16:47] Producer Steve: But again, she's just as bad as Al Green in this particular quote.
[16:51] Producer Steve: It's like, we've got to find a way.
[16:54] Producer Steve: Now, if I haven't made you a yet, here is another villain on the scene new to this story.
[16:58] Producer Steve: Another representative, Democrat Karen Bass from California.
[17:02] Producer Steve: But she says she's open to impeach Trump again if he gets re-elected in 2020, guaranteeing more dysfunction and less.
[17:13] Kim Monson: So they already wanted to impeach him.
[17:16] Kim Monson: They were just trying to find a way to do that.
[17:18] Kim Monson: So ladies, I know that you both have been watching this.
[17:22] Kim Monson: We haven't talked a lot about this whole impeachment thing, just because there's so many different things to talk about.
[17:29] Kim Monson: So Susan, I know that you're very concerned about it.
[17:32] Susan Kochevar: Yeah, I'm wondering how many listeners are as frustrated with it as I am.
[17:38] Susan Kochevar: I saw an article in the American Thinker yesterday, and this is the first time I've started to see this stuff really bubble up everywhere, but they're talking about the Democrats pushing us into civil war.
[17:49] Susan Kochevar: And if they don't stop, I fear that's what will happen, which would be tragic.
[17:57] Susan Kochevar: Those civil wars don't usually end in more freedom.
[17:59] Susan Kochevar: But I'm just very concerned in these statements that Steve played for us, I think, speak to the Democrats' arrogance and lust for power.
[18:12] Kim Monson: Yeah, they are way beyond wanting to represent everyday hardworking Americans.
[18:19] Kim Monson: Patty, what's your thoughts about what happened yesterday?
[18:21] Patti Kurgan: It's about power and control, and they know better than us.
[18:29] Patti Kurgan: Charles Kirk with Turning Point last night, put out a tweet and he said: here we have a congress with a nine percent approval rating, who's trying to get rid of a president through impeachment, who has a 52 percent approval rating now, but- and he was elected by 63 million Americans and over 51 percent of the voting public- does not want to proceed with this impeachment.
[19:01] Patti Kurgan: Just let us handle it, you little people over, just just stand over there in the corner and don't worry about anything, because we, we know what we're doing.
[19:14] Kim Monson: Yeah, work for us, work for us and give us your money.
[19:17] Kim Monson: But but we are the educated elites and we know better how to live your life, how you should live your lives.
[19:23] Kim Monson: And donald trump comes along and you know this has been a long time and coming, uh, and it actually, I think, has occurred under both sides of the aisle in in many ways.
[19:37] Kim Monson: And so this has been a long time and coming about people that think that they know better how to govern your life than you do.
[19:43] Kim Monson: But yes, give us your money and that we're americans, I mean we have.
[19:49] Kim Monson: We stand on the shoulders of giants.
[19:52] Kim Monson: You look at the farmers and the merchants that stood against the British in the Revolutionary War for freedom.
[19:58] Kim Monson: You look at the Civil War, where we ask this question whether or not slavery would go into the territories we needed to keep the country united, and there was so much blood and treasure that was given for that in World War I, World War II.
[20:14] Kim Monson: Our soldiers, now Americans, stand against tyranny and evil, and tyranny and evil are very well, very closely connected, and I feel like this has been happening for a while.
[20:26] Kim Monson: I could feel myself getting more and more concerned and more, as we saw more and more government moving more and more to the, the administrative state where you needed to be compliant, and you see this all the time in your business, susan.
[20:39] Kim Monson: If you're not compliant, then there will be a fear or a penalty, and I think that we're at the tipping point.
[20:46] Kim Monson: Donald Trump comes in, he comes down the escalator, and he says, I'm going to work for you.
[20:56] Susan Kochevar: Yeah, it looks like he's starting to smash everything that was set up.
[20:59] Susan Kochevar: Having somebody that wasn't stuck already in the status quo, I think, is the very best thing that could happen to us.
[21:05] Susan Kochevar: And if you look at his speeches in 2016, before he was elected, he seems to understand that there's a massive problem with all this bureaucracy and everything's been going on and wants to smash it.
[21:21] Susan Kochevar: You know he wasn't my guy and I, I, you, get so used to political speeches that yeah okay, he meant it um.
[21:28] Susan Kochevar: And and to your point about um, on both sides I hear republicans talk about compliance, and that's a big problem.
[21:38] Susan Kochevar: They, There's a good number of them that want to dictate your life their way too.
[21:47] Susan Kochevar: In the words of Grover Nochrist, keep your hand off the murder weapon.
[21:55] Patti Kurgan: I keep thinking about the statement where it's Donald Trump.
[22:02] Patti Kurgan: The problem is I'm standing between you and them, and that's why they're going after me.
[22:10] Patti Kurgan: And I've been looking, you know, in what's been happening in the last couple of months, and I'm very concerned about two factors.
[22:16] Patti Kurgan: One is that they allowed hearsay in the hearing.
[22:20] Patti Kurgan: And my question is, is this the left saying, okay, let's try this in the courtroom as well, that it's okay that we have hearsay as part of the evidence, which is totally wrong.
[22:34] Patti Kurgan: And then the other aspect is the phone records without a subpoena.
[22:41] Patti Kurgan: So if they can do that to Nunes and a reporter and, you know, show host, that means they can come after us too.
[22:53] Patti Kurgan: I really believe the ultimate goal is to go after us because then if they have us, they have the power, they have the control, and then they can dictate what their agenda is and silence us.
[23:04] Kim Monson: Well, and if Hillary Clinton would have been elected, it would have finished their agenda, I think.
[23:10] Kim Monson: And so what you're mentioning, Patty, I think most people know this, but about what, a few weeks before they started this whole whistleblower thing, Adam Schiff changed the rules that hearsay could be admitted as testimony instead of, you know, firsthand knowledge.
[23:31] Kim Monson: We have a whistleblower that comes in with secondhand, you know, secondhand knowledge.
[23:36] Kim Monson: And the other thing is, is just last week, Adam Schiff went to phone companies, AT&T, I know for sure, that he requested phone records for several different people.
[23:46] Kim Monson: AT&T gave them to him without a warrant, and then he released them.
[23:51] Kim Monson: I mean, this is Banana Republic stuff.
[23:55] Kim Monson: Steve, I thought that you had something that you wanted to add into this, and then we'll get with John Buckingham from Presidential Wealth Management.
[24:00] Producer Steve: You know me.
[24:01] Producer Steve: I'm always picking on the electorate in terms of their general lack of involvement of what's going on, to what patty just said.
[24:09] Producer Steve: When trump makes that statement, they're not coming after me, they're coming after you.
[24:13] Producer Steve: I just happen to be in the way and I get the sense that there's a lot of people out there who don't have a clue what that means.
[24:20] Producer Steve: What do you mean?
[24:20] Producer Steve: They're coming after me.
[24:21] Producer Steve: They are so oblivious to what has been going on for the last 10 to 12 years.
[24:26] Producer Steve: Uh, they have no idea how deep the government's in their pocket.
[24:30] Producer Steve: Yes, they'd like to complain about tax day and all that kind of stuff, but it's quickly forgotten.
[24:36] Kim Monson: And that is why we're engaging in this battle of ideas, because words are very powerful.
[24:42] Kim Monson: You know, basically Ronald Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall with words.
[24:46] Kim Monson: And that's why we are in this battle of ideas.
[24:48] Kim Monson: There's another, you know, there's another big battle.
[24:50] Kim Monson: And I know Susan being a small business person, this is so of such great concern.
[24:55] Kim Monson: And that is this forced minimum wage.
[24:57] Kim Monson: And we'll be talking about that in the third and fourth segment, and also this family leave proposal that may be coming down the pike.
[25:04] Kim Monson: But we have on the line with us one of Jason McBride's buddies over at Presidential Wealth Management, and that's John Buckingham.
[25:16] Kim Monson: And we wanted to ask you about your thoughts on forced minimum wage.
[25:22] John Buckingham: Well, I think bottom line, when you increase the minimum wage for the unskilled worker, then those that are semi-skilled and skilled, well, they want to be compensated accordingly.
[25:31] John Buckingham: So if you give a 20%raise to minimum wage, those semi- skilledand skilled workers are going to want the same thing.
[25:37] John Buckingham: So if you just raise the entire wage scale, you're effectively increasing the cost of all goods and services, and thus you're not really getting any additional purchasing power necessarily out of that.
[25:49] John Buckingham: And when you also look at, you know, the federal side, the federal side should be based on the lowest cost of living area in the country.
[25:57] John Buckingham: And then states and municipalities can adjust if needed.
[26:01] John Buckingham: But, you know, it's ridiculous to try and say minimum wage in San Francisco should be the same as Mobile, Alabama.
[26:10] Kim Monson: Well, and, you know, John, I really I don't like government getting in in between the employer and the employee.
[26:15] Kim Monson: Because as you mentioned, typically, you know, your entry level is somewhat unskilled.
[26:19] Kim Monson: I jokingly say my first job, well, my first job was at Daylight Donut and Chicken Inn.
[26:26] Kim Monson: Jokingly, I say I should have paid them instead of them paying me because they had to train me.
[26:32] Kim Monson: I had to learn a whole bunch of different things, but I learned things like that.
[26:36] Kim Monson: And so I really think government should just be out of that and let the employer and the employee come together and make an agreement on what they want to pay.
[26:46] Kim Monson: Because what I see, John, with forced minimum wage is it's going to prevent a lot of those kids getting their first jobs.
[26:52] Kim Monson: And if they don't get that first job, it's difficult to get the second job.
[26:57] John Buckingham: I mean, when I look back when I was a kid a long, long time ago, I had my first job when I was 11.
[27:05] John Buckingham: And it's the government forcing kids to say: no, you can't do it before 16 unless you have certain circumstances.
[27:12] John Buckingham: The same thing, like you said with minimum wage, that originally came out at a time when it was needed because there really weren't that many labor laws in place to kind of protect employees, and now we've got an overabundance of labor laws that do protect them, and so the minimum wage is going to set itself.
[27:31] John Buckingham: I mean you drive by a chick- fil-ahere now and they're offering starting of$ 16 an hour because they can't find employees until they have to.
[27:39] John Buckingham: And so you don't need to force that issue unless you see an abuse of power by an employer in a certain area, and then you can implement something if you see that, or you can just go after that particular employer rather than forcing everyone to a set wage scale.
[27:55] Kim Monson: Well, and, you know, the other thing on that, John, is that if, in fact, of course, we have, you know, great jobs numbers last week.
[28:02] Kim Monson: And if you have an employer, particularly in a situation where, you know, the economy is booming and there's more and more demand for labor, if you have an employer that's abusing their workforce, I ultimately, you know, in a free market, people can leave and that employer will, you know, have to adjust and treat his employees better or he'll go out of business.
[28:26] Kim Monson: I just, you know, I think free market ultimately could probably help it out.
[28:32] John Buckingham: Well, I think absolutely, especially in a tight labor market.
[28:35] John Buckingham: As you mentioned, a tight labor market employee is going to walk and have a job the next day, given the abundance of jobs that are out there right now and people looking.
[28:44] John Buckingham: It's just a question of do you have the skill set necessary?
[28:47] John Buckingham: And, you know, some sectors and industries are more desperate for employees than others.
[28:53] John Buckingham: But yeah, when you look at it, it just comes down to, you know, what that market is willing to dictate.
[29:01] John Buckingham: And if it's not the wage that you want, is it because you don't have the skill set or because, you know, you're looking at a job that you're just, you know, not qualified for, you know, so.
[29:11] Kim Monson: Well, and one other thing, John, don't you remember, I mean, when we were kids, if you didn't have the skill set, you might work your day job.
[29:20] Kim Monson: And then you might go to school at night.
[29:22] Kim Monson: You might do training at night to make yourself more valuable.
[29:26] Kim Monson: I'll just tell a quick story and then we'll go to break.
[29:28] Kim Monson: One of my first jobs, I worked at a bank and they asked me, and this was back in the old days where people typed.
[29:35] Kim Monson: And John, I told, they asked me how fast I could type.
[29:39] Kim Monson: And I gave him a pretty, pretty hefty number.
[29:43] Kim Monson: And so I get the job and I'm typing a loan document and it's like taking me all morning, and my boss came over and he looked at me and I said: you know, I think I need to bone up on my my typing, and so I ended up taking typing classes, you know, several nights a week so that I could get better.
[30:04] Kim Monson: But to my point is: you can, you can actually improve your skills.
[30:08] Kim Monson: I'm kind of embarrassed now that I shared that with all of you guys.
[30:14] John Buckingham: But that's just it is that minimum wage jobs, as you said earlier, you are kind of getting that benefit of the training from that company.
[30:22] John Buckingham: That's the whole purpose of a minimum wage job for the most part.
[30:25] John Buckingham: There are some jobs out there that pay minimum wage, restaurants, whatnot, that, you know, they're assuming the tips are going to come into play.
[30:33] John Buckingham: But, yeah, you you need to go out and develop skill sets.
[30:36] John Buckingham: Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be the breadwinning income coming in for a family.
[30:44] John Buckingham: They're designed for those entry- levelpeople trying to gain skill sets, and that's why they get paid less is because they're needing to be trained, and that costs them more too.
[30:52] Kim Monson: And the other thing on minimum, so, you know, back when I was, you know, first starting out, you know, maybe I was paid a little bit more than minimum wage but not much, and so to get my housing affordable, I had roommates.
[31:07] Kim Monson: It's like government doesn't need to get involved in all that.
[31:09] Kim Monson: But, John, just quickly, I could not believe that Christmas is two weeks from today.
[31:13] Kim Monson: And people need– there's some things they need to be doing on their finances between now and the end of the year.
[31:20] Kim Monson: And you guys and gals over at Presidential Wealth Management can sit down, help folks take a look at where they're at.
[31:30] Kim Monson: And I would highly recommend people reach out to you.
[31:33] Kim Monson: Well, I definitely appreciate that.
[31:35] John Buckingham: And I do think that anyone out there needs to do a review at the year end just to make sure that, you know, they're taking advantage of tax situations, making sure RMDs are taken care of.
[31:45] John Buckingham: And so, yeah, definitely give us a call and we can certainly help you out.
[31:48] Kim Monson: And the phone number is 303- 694- 1600.
[31:56] Kim Monson: And the website is airpresidential.
[32:02] Kim Monson: AndJohn Buckingham, we get to talk to you again tomorrow morning.
[32:09] Kim Monson: When we come back, we have Susan Kojavar and Patty Kurgan in studio.
[32:15] Kim Monson: And we've got to talk about some things that the legislature, they've been kind of thinking about it all over the summer.
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[33:58] Kim Monson: This is the Kim Monson show in studio with me, business women and entrepreneurs, susan kochavar and patty kirgan, and steve is running the board and we've got you whipped up this morning.
[34:09] Kim Monson: I can just tell there's steam coming out of those ears over there.
[34:13] Producer Steve: Well, uh, where you guys are about to go with family leave.
[34:17] Producer Steve: And uh, what?
[34:18] Producer Steve: What's the other?
[34:21] Producer Steve: Okay, well, all these things.
[34:22] Producer Steve: I keep coming back to this.
[34:24] Producer Steve: We're buying some votes.
[34:25] Producer Steve: Do we really care about fixing problems?
[34:27] Producer Steve: As john just said, minimum minimum wage- uh, forced minimum wage doesn't fix anything right.
[34:34] Producer Steve: So but it does buy votes, aha, and so that's why we do.
[34:45] Kim Monson: And if you see it, it's capital F-A-M-L-I.
[34:50] Kim Monson: They wanted to pass this last year.
[34:52] Kim Monson: I know that they've been talking about it over the summer.
[34:55] Kim Monson: I saw a presentation on it on Monday morning.
[34:57] Kim Monson: It is bad, bad, bad, but they're trying to make it sound good, good, good.
[35:04] Patti Kurgan: Well, I always go back to just the very basic concept of the employer-employee relationship.
[35:16] Patti Kurgan: Going back to the quote that you started with this morning, you said, by the work we know the workmen.
[35:21] Patti Kurgan: Not everybody works and produces the same, and they should be compensated according to what they do produce.
[35:30] Patti Kurgan: So with the family paid leave, with minimum wage, things like that, they're truly trying to do a one-size-fits-all.
[35:40] Patti Kurgan: And I look at that as they're really telling the employee, you don't really have to worry about what you produce and how effective your work is because we're guaranteeing you this pay.
[35:55] Kim Monson: And we're guaranteeing it by using government policy to force somebody to pay you that, right?
[36:02] Patti Kurgan: Whereas like Susan or myself and other employers, they're with inside the walls of the business.
[36:11] Patti Kurgan: They know what people are doing, how productive they are, and we want to reward people accordingly.
[36:19] Patti Kurgan: So if somebody truly just comes in and does the basic job set, fine, that is their salary.
[36:25] Patti Kurgan: But if somebody is doing the same thing but producing twice as much, I feel obligated that I should pay that person more.
[36:32] Patti Kurgan: And even when we start the negotiation at the very beginning in terms of how much to pay, it's many factors, including what are the benefits.
[36:45] Patti Kurgan: So a lot of companies already have paid family leave.
[36:50] Patti Kurgan: And so when, if I'm the person seeking a job, I can put that on the table- is one of the factors that I like or dislike about this company and whether or not I want to be a part of it.
[37:06] Patti Kurgan: And then the the other element that just really is mind-boggling is the cost.
[37:11] Patti Kurgan: So when they were talking about it in the last session, they were like at most it would cost a billion dollars, which a billion with a billion right with a b, which is, is a lot.
[37:19] Patti Kurgan: So they have had a task force because they couldn't get the bill.
[37:26] Patti Kurgan: So how many people out there know that there's been a task force?
[37:30] Patti Kurgan: They started in july to discuss what the elements of this paid family leave should be.
[37:36] Patti Kurgan: Uh, they've had a hard time coming to a majority vote.
[37:41] Patti Kurgan: They took them over two meetings just to decide how many votes they needed to pass a policy idea.
[37:50] Patti Kurgan: So just last week or the week before, they had hired an actuary, and he came back just recently with what the cost would be.
[38:02] Patti Kurgan: 1 billion, and on the high end it could be$ 2.
[38:10] Patti Kurgan: Plus he notes, and I'm quoting him, although we believe that the assumptions and methods we used and of course our projections are reasonable we could still be way off in predicting the future so we all know that the 2.
[38:25] Patti Kurgan: 2 is low and it's going to be a lot higher.
[38:28] Kim Monson: Okay, you know, let's uh, let's keep that there, for right now, chris cantwell is on the line.
[38:34] Kim Monson: He is also one of my valued partners and chris, I know you'd like to weigh in on, uh, on this forced minimum wage and this family leave as well.
[38:46] Chris Cantwell: You know, I saw a recent article about the possible restaurant recession that's coming, and it's directly related to all these cities that are passing these huge minimum wage increases that directly affect employers and employees, and it makes it difficult to hire those younger employees, like I talked about last time, the 16 and 17-year-olds that only want to work a couple of hours a week, and they struggle with that.
[39:13] Chris Cantwell: It's hard to pay a teenager a quote-unquote living wage.
[39:21] Chris Cantwell: It's a challenge for the operators and the business owners.
[39:24] Chris Cantwell: And you throw things on top of that, like forced health care and paid time off and all these other things.
[39:31] Chris Cantwell: And that dollar hamburger that you're getting at McDonald's is soon going to be a$ 5 hamburger on the value menu.
[39:38] Kim Monson: Well, and then people can't afford it.
[39:41] Kim Monson: And so they'll start to eat at home more often, which means that many of these businesses will go out of business.
[39:48] Kim Monson: And so then ultimately it'll be a job killing thing.
[39:52] Kim Monson: And they say it to help people, Chris, but I can't figure it out.
[39:56] Kim Monson: I mean, you work with businesses all the time.
[39:58] Kim Monson: You help people buy and sell businesses.
[40:00] Kim Monson: You know, Patty and Susan are businesswomen.
[40:05] Kim Monson: For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the legislature won't listen.
[40:12] Chris Cantwell: There's an economic gap that's missing there in terms of the unintended consequences of the decisions they make.
[40:18] Chris Cantwell: And, you know, they're always talking about, well, you know, we have all these homeless and they can't get jobs and they can't afford a place to live.
[40:26] Chris Cantwell: It's a direct impact of raising things like the money.
[40:34] Kim Monson: So, hey, we're going to go to break here in just a minute, Chris.
[40:37] Kim Monson: But, you know, one of the things, you are an entrepreneur.
[40:39] Kim Monson: I just love the way you talk because you're always looking at, you know, all the opportunity out there.
[40:45] Kim Monson: So you have some opportunities that people, you know, if they're looking to buy a business, to buy cash flow for retirement or whatever, they can go to your website, right, and find different opportunities?
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[41:24] Chris Cantwell: So it's the right time to potentially put your business on the market if a sale is in the future for you.
[41:33] Chris Cantwell: Feel free to reach out and ask me some questions about that.
[41:38] Chris Cantwell: And if you're looking to buy a business, talk to me about that as well.
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[42:05] Kim Monson: We're going to go to break when we come back.
[42:06] Kim Monson: Susan, we've got to get you to jump in here on this as well.
[42:11] Kim Monson: On this family leave, this is government that is forcibly going to be taking money out of your paycheck and also having your employer pay a, not a tax, because then we get to vote on it, a fee.
[42:25] Kim Monson: So that would mean that your employer couldn't pay you more as well.
[42:31] Kim Monson: And they're talking about paid time off of four months.
[42:34] Kim Monson: So your employer will pay somebody over here for not working.
[42:40] Kim Monson: They'd have to go out and hire somebody else to do that work.
[42:44] Kim Monson: And it's all done under the guise of a fee so that they don't even have to ask us.
[42:50] Kim Monson: Now, Susan, now that I've gotten your blood pressure going, we're going to go to break.
[42:54] Kim Monson: And when we come back, I want to hear what you have to say about that.
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[44:48] Kim Monson: Welcome back to the Kim Monson show.
[44:54] Kim Monson: I am Kim Monson in studio with me, our business women entrepreneurs, susan kochavar with the 88 drive-in theater and patty kirgan.
[45:01] Kim Monson: We were talking about this family leave, potential legislation that may be coming down the pike in 2020.
[45:07] Kim Monson: They had a tax force that was uh meeting all summer long and so this was.
[45:15] Kim Monson: Unelected people working all summer long and they've come up with, you know, maybe a proposal, but you had a point that you wanted to make on that.
[45:24] Patti Kurgan: I want your listeners to know that they will be paying for this.
[45:30] Patti Kurgan: Initially, they're saying a 60%pay by the employee, 40% bythe employer.
[45:36] Patti Kurgan: I think as time goes on, they'll be getting more money out of the employer's pocket.
[45:43] Patti Kurgan: But a lot of employees really have no desire to have a paid family leave.
[45:50] Patti Kurgan: You know, it's one thing to see your co- worker takefour to six months off for a new child, but knowing that you're paying for them to take that four to six months off is going to really hit some employees and and create a little bit of animosity there it will.
[46:07] Kim Monson: I was, as As you were, mentioning that.
[46:08] Kim Monson: I'm just thinking about what that might start to do in the workplace.
[46:12] Kim Monson: I mean, if somebody feels that they're paying for somebody else not to work, that doesn't, it's not good for employee relations, I guess.
[46:23] Patti Kurgan: I mean, there's a lot of single people out there, and they're like, wow, I wish I could take four to six months off.
[46:31] Patti Kurgan: If this goes forward next year, people are going to be like, and I'm paying for them to take that four to six months off.
[46:37] Patti Kurgan: I wonder how I can maybe get four, six months off.
[46:41] Patti Kurgan: Yeah, and people will start to figure that out.
[46:44] Kim Monson: Susan, I know you had some questions for Patty.
[46:51] Susan Kochevar: So if I'm understanding correctly as the employer, I'm going to have to have two people for every job I need done.
[46:58] Patti Kurgan: Exactly, because if you have somebody who's taking four to six months off and you need an employee to do that work, you will have to hire somebody to take that place.
[47:08] Patti Kurgan: And you have to make sure that when that absent employee or the employee taking the paid leave, when they come back, you have to keep that job open.
[47:18] Patti Kurgan: So when they come back, they get that job automatically.
[47:24] Patti Kurgan: Well, I guess you'll either have to fire them or, you know.
[47:28] Patti Kurgan: And then if you fire them, that will hit your unemployment insurance, which is another factor.
[47:39] Patti Kurgan: There was an article in the DBJ, and they said we need a business journal.
[47:43] Patti Kurgan: They need$ 400 million to go into that fund.
[47:46] Patti Kurgan: So they're looking at raising the base salary so that they can have additional funds.
[47:53] Kim Monson: The base salary that they'll tax, right?
[47:54] Patti Kurgan: Right now, it's just a little over$ 13, 000 ofwhat they're taxed on.
[47:57] Patti Kurgan: but they're going to have to bring it up because they're about$ 400 million short in the reserves.
[48:01] Patti Kurgan: So that'll be another higher tax over here.
[48:05] Patti Kurgan: So it's, you know, it goes back to how much can you put on an employer where you think they can stay in business, or as we were talking earlier, you're going to have that$ 5 or$ 6 hamburger.
[48:16] Patti Kurgan: So even when they're saying that you're helping the low- skilled worker,you're really not because his or her expenses are going to go up in her life, his or her life because they're going to go to McDonald's and they're going to be paying$ 5 instead of a dollar.
[48:33] Patti Kurgan: The cost of living will definitely go up because, as Susan and I know as an employer, there's only so many costs you can absorb before you have to pass it on to your client base.
[48:50] Kim Monson: You know, so what we're seeing here, Susan, is government policy is making things more and more expensive.
[48:56] Kim Monson: We're just talking about a couple of things here.
[48:58] Kim Monson: But I know a lot of young moms that they actually would love to stay home with their children instead of getting paid time off.
[49:06] Kim Monson: And so what I'm seeing here, and Steve alluded to vote buying, but as we make the cost of living more and more expensive via government policy.
[49:21] Kim Monson: This is increasing government's ability to take more and more money out of people's pockets.
[49:32] Kim Monson: They don't want to keep costs down so that people could actually save up and maybe go take care of their parent or whatever that might need help or to take time off with a child.
[49:44] Kim Monson: They want to keep these people in the workforce so they can keep working, so they can can get more and more payroll taxes.
[49:53] Susan Kochevar: Well, all that's going to happen is we're going to have massive unemployment because, uh it, that essentially doubles my costs.
[50:04] Susan Kochevar: You will not have a small business of any kind left if that goes through.
[50:09] Susan Kochevar: So you will have a massive class of people who are unemployed and just voting for government promises, I guess, is what they're thinking.
[50:18] Susan Kochevar: I can only charge so much for movies before people stop coming.
[50:26] Susan Kochevar: It's, you know, all of these things we're talking about that are supposed to help, you know, citizens.
[50:34] Susan Kochevar: When you charge business, make their operating expenses higher, they have to raise their prices.
[50:40] Susan Kochevar: All of the money that I make comes from my customers, all of it.
[50:46] Patti Kurgan: And the other thing, too, is so you're initially they're talking 60 percent of whatever tax they have.
[50:55] Patti Kurgan: Initially, they said it would never be higher than 1%, but even on the low end, at the$ 1.
[50:59] Patti Kurgan: 1 billion, it's going to have to be around 1.
[51:06] Patti Kurgan: It can't come from the employer because we're not really supposed to interfere in their home decisions.
[51:12] Patti Kurgan: If the government wants to do anything, have them do a one-page sheet encouraging employees that, you know what?
[51:19] Patti Kurgan: In the future, you may need funds for an emergency.
[51:22] Patti Kurgan: So the emergency is not just for a relative that is sick, but if you need emergency funds, you should think about saving 1%of your paycheck per week.
[51:34] Patti Kurgan: And so then it puts the responsibility back onto the employee and their own personal circumstances, instead of involving the employer and the government.
[51:44] Patti Kurgan: And this really goes back to power and control and dollars.
[51:48] Kim Monson: Well, and government programs, they don't work for free.
[51:54] Kim Monson: And so this money that's going to be collected, or would be collected from a payroll tax.
[51:59] Kim Monson: You're going to be paying an unelected person to administer this, and those costs just go up as well.
[52:07] Patti Kurgan: So I did read through the fiscal note for the bill that they proposed, and it was over 250 employees that they would have to have in this department, this new department that there, for me to administer all the things that they need to do.
[52:26] Patti Kurgan: And you know that will only grow as time goes on.
[52:31] Susan Kochevar: Who are these people that are sitting on this task force?
[52:35] Susan Kochevar: I heard from another friend who sat in on one of the meetings and apparently when some of the business owners presented their side, the arrogance of these people, they called it minutia.
[52:46] Susan Kochevar: So who are these people that are sitting on these boards?
[52:51] Patti Kurgan: Well, all I know is nine out of the third, there's 13 members, nine out of the 13 have either been appointed by the governor or democratic leadership.
[53:02] Patti Kurgan: And then the other five have come from like the minority speaker of both houses.
[53:14] Kim Monson: One other thing, as we were working on fighting on proposition cc, which was that request that the government, that the state of colorado, could keep our tax refunds forever, you did an amazing amount of research on corporate welfare, and what we've seen is big corporations and big government like each other, because big corporations were getting breaks on their taxes.
[53:40] Kim Monson: And it's the little guy like you, Susan Kochavar, that you pay full fare.
[53:46] Kim Monson: You have to be compliant to everything.
[53:47] Kim Monson: And, you know, there's something that is inherently wrong with government coming in, picking winners and losers, buying votes with what they say is good.
[53:56] Kim Monson: Ultimately, this hurts everyday people.
[54:07] Susan Kochevar: Every person coming out of school that wants to potentially start a business.
[54:10] Susan Kochevar: You're crushed before you ever get out the door, because the full weight of all the complying with all this is on you.
[54:18] Susan Kochevar: I'm telling you now, no one is in compliance, and that's tyranny.
[54:21] Susan Kochevar: They can come after you at any time they want, and they know it.
[54:23] Kim Monson: So nobody's in compliance because there's no way you can be.
[54:26] Kim Monson: But then government can come in and they can say, I'm going to check this business out.
[54:31] Kim Monson: This one will just walk right on by.
[54:34] Susan Kochevar: If they don't like you, they either go to government or they report you for something.
[54:41] Patti Kurgan: Show up, as we've been talking about all through this show.
[54:43] Patti Kurgan: Go to find out what, pick your most important topic or two, issue, policy issue.
[54:53] Patti Kurgan: Come to the Stanford- Coloradorally on January 8th.
[54:56] Patti Kurgan: Let our legislators know that we are going to be watching them, and we're going to be watching them with all our might.
[55:08] Kim Monson: Patty Kurgan, thank you so much for being here.
[55:11] Kim Monson: Susan Kochevar, great to have you here.
[55:17] Kim Monson: Our quote for today, and I thought, and this is really, this is really, really apropos, and this is Jean de La Fontaine.
[55:25] Kim Monson: He says, beware as long as you live of judging others according to appearance alone.
[55:31] Kim Monson: I would say that we might take that to government as well.
[55:35] Kim Monson: Let's judge on what's really going on instead of what the appearance is.
[55:39] Kim Monson: So today, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[55:54] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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[56:16] Music Outro: Young, like a new moon rising, fierce, through the rain and lightning, wandering out into this great unknown.
[56:31] Music Outro: And I don't want no one to cry, But tell them if I don't survive.
[56:41] Music Outro: I was born free.
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