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[00:59] Kim Monson: So, um, we've got a lot to do here.
[01:02] Kim Monson: We've got a country that, uh, seems to me that that there are those from without and within that are trying to destroy this country, and that is why we need to understand what's going on and engage in conversations with our friends and our family, our neighbors and our colleagues, and, of course, we need to do our civic duty as well, and that's vote step up to run for office, and we've got a lot to do right now.
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[01:41] Kim Monson: It seemed like it was just Monday just a moment ago.
[01:43] Producer Steve: Yeah, much to my surprise that lazy camel didn't get here this morning to remind us that it is hump day.
[01:49] Producer Steve: But um, you know.
[01:51] Producer Steve: Back to what you were just saying.
[01:53] Producer Steve: I don't know that you originated, but you adopted it.
[01:56] Producer Steve: The phrase we've got a country to save.
[01:58] Kim Monson: Yes, yeah, yeah, we do, we really do.
[02:01] Kim Monson: And uh, I keep going back and I need to really look that thomas pain quote up again that we did a week or so ago, but it actually gave me some comfort.
[02:11] Kim Monson: Let me see if I can find it while we're here.
[02:14] Kim Monson: And it was along the line of, because I've been so concerned about what we are passing on to this next generation.
[02:23] Kim Monson: I mean, one of the big things is the headline here about the debt ceiling.
[02:27] Kim Monson: My gosh, you know, we've had generations before who they, you know, they spent blood and treasure to pass on liberty, which is the responsible exercise of freedom to the next generation.
[02:42] Kim Monson: And here we are looking at: giving the next generation a big fat IOU that they had nothing to do with and nothing to say in incurring this debt.
[02:54] Kim Monson: And yet we think we're going to pass that on.
[02:56] Kim Monson: There's something really, really immoral about that from one generation to another.
[03:01] Producer Steve: Well, I've been, you know, I kind of jumped on it yesterday when it first surfaced, or you could see it coming.
[03:07] Producer Steve: It's almost like it's so predictable.
[03:11] Producer Steve: Both parties are equally guilty, and this has been going on since my little brief research here since 1930-something.
[03:19] Producer Steve: And I just don't get it.
[03:22] Producer Steve: You and I can't do it as individuals.
[03:24] Producer Steve: Corporations can't do it, as far as I know, but the government can.
[03:33] Kim Monson: And that is, do you know of anybody- and- and I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but anybody- that received free money over this last you know, pandemic thing, that, uh, any, any anybody said, no, I'm not going to take it, and you know it's just human nature.
[03:51] Kim Monson: When something is presented like that, people take it and the and the those in government know that.
[03:58] Kim Monson: They also know that they're buying votes.
[04:03] Kim Monson: And so we as a society have to say, wait a minute, this is not who we are to pass on this big, fat IOU to the next generations.
[04:15] Kim Monson: And, of course, the Dems want to increase the debt ceiling.
[04:21] Kim Monson: And so at some point in time, it may not be popular, but it's the right thing to do for these politicians to say no.
[04:27] Producer Steve: Well and the big stick they put over there.
[04:31] Producer Steve: They're really good at this, and we got a taste of it during bill clinton's years of shutting down the government.
[04:37] Producer Steve: Well, if we don't do this, we're going to shut down the government, and I'm also to the point I just dare.
[04:43] Producer Steve: I want to dare him and say: go ahead, and if we had some responsible journalism in the country which you know, that's gone, uh then Then some of the facts would start to come out.
[04:54] Producer Steve: Not necessarily who's at fault, but how is this happening?
[04:59] Producer Steve: What have been the mechanics over the, what I was just looking at a chart of the last 50 years, since 1970, and looking at the debt ceilings is going up, up, up.
[05:09] Producer Steve: It's like, get the facts out there and let the public decide.
[05:13] Producer Steve: Sure, you can make them mad by shutting down the government, but give them some information that they can really get their teeth into.
[05:19] Kim Monson: But Steve, if we don't at some point in time shut down the government and get a handle on this, it will get shut down and we're not going to like the way it's going to look.
[05:30] Producer Steve: Well, no, it's bad medicine.
[05:33] Producer Steve: There's no doubt about it.
[05:34] Producer Steve: But why do you take medicine?
[05:37] Kim Monson: So, hey, I found this quote and it's Thomas Paine and he said this, he said, I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace.
[05:48] Kim Monson: So as we look at all that's happening out there in the landscape, and so concerned about that, but I realize I am grateful that it is happening now in my lifetime so that what we do, we can step into this, step into addressing this trouble and hopefully get this thing turned around so that we are passing something very good on to the next generation, Steve.
[06:12] Producer Steve: Put that Thomas Paine quote up against: the.
[06:15] Producer Steve: What was it Lenin?
[06:16] Producer Steve: The but how do you should?
[06:18] Producer Steve: How do you make the middle class miserable?
[06:21] Kim Monson: I mean, those are powerful quotes, right, and Lenin said is Soviet dictator how to crush the middle class.
[06:28] Kim Monson: And that is, that is why people come to America, Steve, or it used to be, not now.
[06:35] Kim Monson: What we look at down at the southern border, because now there's all this free stuff, and it's not free stuff.
[06:40] Kim Monson: You know, the debt has to be increased.
[06:42] Kim Monson: But people throughout history have come to America for opportunity.
[06:48] Kim Monson: And that opportunity has created this big middle class.
[06:56] Kim Monson: And of course, we see government policies all the way from local up to national through this reaction to the COVID-19 Wuhan China virus.
[07:02] Kim Monson: We have seen what has happened then with shutting down businesses.
[07:07] Kim Monson: It's been an assault on the middle class for sure.
[07:10] Kim Monson: But people would come here because you could open up a restaurant.
[07:17] Kim Monson: And Lenin said the way to crush the middle class is through taxation and inflation.
[07:24] Kim Monson: So my friends, when we go to the ballot box this November, there's going to be a number of spending questions there, tax increases.
[07:31] Kim Monson: And I pretty well would blanket say no to all of them.
[07:36] Kim Monson: And most all of these questions also detabor the excess revenue.
[07:40] Kim Monson: So if you look at the very end of those ballot questions, and if it has something, I think it's the Article 10, the Roman numeral 10, that means that they are referring to TABOR, which is Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights.
[07:53] Kim Monson: That means they're going to try to get around it.
[07:55] Kim Monson: And just on that alone, I think that's disingenuous.
[08:00] Kim Monson: And it took me a while to figure that out.
[08:01] Kim Monson: I think I finally figured it out on a Parks and Recreation taxing question.
[08:09] Kim Monson: And again, Thomas Paine said, I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace.
[08:17] Kim Monson: And so we have a lot to be grateful for, because we have these challenges right now and we are here to address them.
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[09:27] Kim Monson: We're going to be talking with Casper Stockham in just a minute.
[09:30] Kim Monson: And he has stepped up to the plate.
[09:33] Kim Monson: The radical activists left, they have a candidate training program for women where they train women to run for office and win.
[09:43] Kim Monson: And they have been very successful.
[09:45] Kim Monson: The problem is, is most all of these candidates are adhering to a Marxist ideology.
[09:53] Kim Monson: And we're seeing policies as they get into office, like Senator Faith Winter, or you see Candy C.
[09:59] Kim Monson: DeBaca, who's on Denver City Council, that they are pushing a socialist agenda through public policy.
[10:06] Kim Monson: And so Casper Stockham realized this, realized that we have so many good people, and I see this, stepping forward to run for school board.
[10:16] Kim Monson: There's a lot of school board elections right now.
[10:19] Kim Monson: And stepping up, but they're not trained.
[10:22] Kim Monson: And it's almost like stepping into a meat grinder.
[10:25] Kim Monson: Good people wanting to do the right thing, but they're not trained and don't have an infrastructure to do that.
[10:32] Kim Monson: So Casper Stockham said, I'm going to address that.
[10:34] Kim Monson: And he, with some other colleagues, created America First Republicans.
[10:39] Kim Monson: Casper Stockham, welcome to the show.
[10:43] Kim Monson: This candidate training program, when did you start this program, Casper?
[10:49] Casper Stockham: We started, we opened the doors on January 16th, excuse me, this year.
[10:55] Casper Stockham: So it's been about eight or nine months, and it's been going pretty good.
[11:03] Casper Stockham: Some of those folks go on to actually start a campaign.
[11:10] Casper Stockham: But to your point about Emerge, you know, the Democrat version of what we're doing, they've been at it for many, many years, 10, 15 years.
[11:22] Casper Stockham: and candidates that come out of their training must abide by socialist practices and things like that.
[11:30] Casper Stockham: We are training candidates on something very, very unique, the Constitution and the Republican Party platform.
[11:38] Casper Stockham: So we're not requiring them to do that, but we train them on it, and we would like for them to adhere to that because a lot of the politicians today don't.
[11:56] Kim Monson: That's why, that brings up this initiative that is going to be on the ballot this November, and it's called LEAP.
[12:04] Kim Monson: Learning, Enrichment, and Achievement Progress Plan, I think is what that is.
[12:13] Kim Monson: And they've been out there, they've not been honest in how they are portraying this to different groups out there that they are getting to endorse this.
[12:23] Kim Monson: In fact, I met with somebody yesterday who's part of a group that just endorsed this.
[12:28] Kim Monson: And he said, this is not how this was presented to us.
[12:34] Kim Monson: And they're saying, oh, this will help a new marijuana tax for the children.
[12:40] Kim Monson: It'll help disadvantaged children with after-school programs, get them caught up on reading, writing, arithmetic and it's a tax over here on marijuana so it's not really going to affect very many people and and so that's how they're getting um getting people to support it but what it is it is a um it is not it's antithetical to representative government because how it is governed is by an unelected unaccountable authority board of nine members this governor chooses them they choose their replacements, they have taxing powers, they're not accountable to anybody.
[13:15] Kim Monson: And this is something that we need to help people understand that this is how Colorado has been moving further and further and further to the Marxist left, is these kinds of things.
[13:29] Kim Monson: So what you're doing, Casper, is really important.
[13:36] Casper Stockham: You know, it sounds all warm and fuzzy because it's not taxing us directly, supposedly, but it has all the earmarks for something that's going to turn into an absolute disaster.
[13:50] Casper Stockham: Just like, you know, when they start turning taxes into fees and stuff, and over time, you know, Tabor was strong in years past, but they've had so many fees going on now.
[14:01] Casper Stockham: Now, TABOR only covers about 40%of the budget because they turn everything else into fees.
[14:08] Kim Monson: And TABOR is Colorado's Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, and it's an amendment to the Constitution.
[14:13] Kim Monson: And to your point, Casper, it's been both Democrats and Republicans that have chipped away at it.
[14:21] Kim Monson: And so this training program that you're doing is very, very important to give people a foundation.
[14:27] Kim Monson: I know that one of your candidates, Erik Aadland, is running for U.
[14:31] Kim Monson: And I know that you, as you mentioned, you've trained over 50 people.
[14:36] Kim Monson: You've got a class coming up now, right?
[14:39] Casper Stockham: This coming Saturday, it's still time to sign up for the class.
[14:48] Casper Stockham: We still have room for in- personstudents and or you can take it online.
[14:54] Casper Stockham: So even if you can't make it on a Saturday, you can just go to your computer and still listen in on the court.
[15:01] Casper Stockham: Not just listen in, but you can participate because it's on Zoom.
[15:06] Casper Stockham: It's$ 180 for the nine weeks, which is just an incredible bargain.
[15:11] Casper Stockham: There are classes like this that charge thousands of dollars to do what we're doing.
[15:19] Casper Stockham: and again, even if you're not going to be a candidate, and you'll know because this class takes someone from not knowing anything about politics to becoming a candidate.
[15:36] Casper Stockham: So you'll know if you really want to go through that process or not.
[15:42] Kim Monson: I was going to say, you also know if you want to help a candidate.
[15:47] Kim Monson: So Casper, We're running up against time here.
[15:49] Kim Monson: How can people get more information?
[15:50] Kim Monson: Yes, they can go to AmericaFirstRepublicans.
[15:59] Casper Stockham: That's America First Republicans, F- R-I-S-T,Republicans.
[16:10] Kim Monson: And this is one of the battles that we really need to be engaged in.
[16:17] Kim Monson: When we come back, we'll be talking with former state senator Kevin Lundberg.
[16:21] Kim Monson: He is with the Colorado Republican Study Committee.
[16:26] Kim Monson: And find out what happened last week at this big meeting of the Central Committee of the Republicans and where we're going from there.
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[17:56] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Kevin Lundberg.
[17:58] Kim Monson: He's a former state senator, and he is the executive director of the– I don't have it right at my fingertips, and I used to have it memorized.
[18:13] Kim Monson: And last week, Kevin, was the big meeting, I guess it was down in Pueblo, of the Central Committee for the Republican Party.
[18:28] Kim Monson: And I really feel that the one question put in place something that was very important, and that was regarding these open primaries.
[18:36] Kim Monson: But the real goal on this was to get to a point where we could challenge the constitutionality of Prop 108, which was the open primary initiative that was passed back in 2016.
[18:57] Kevin Lundberg: The open primary means that all unaffiliated voters are sent a ballot for both the Republicans and the Democrats, and then they have a choice of voting for either ballot, not both, but one or the other.
[19:16] Kevin Lundberg: That means that for the Republicans, because there's such a large number of unaffiliated voters, There are more ballots sent out to non- Republicansthan Republicans.
[19:25] Kevin Lundberg: And that's really the case on the Democrat side, too.
[19:36] Kevin Lundberg: Yeah, that's a good point, because if you're a candidate, and I was listening to what Casper was saying about preparing people to be a candidate, Well, here in Colorado, the first election you stand for, for many seats for state legislature and other areas like that, is the primary.
[20:14] Kevin Lundberg: And the irony is that, since you're not just running among other or running to be voted on by Republicans, but unaffiliated as well, your potential voter pool is more than twice as large than what people expect it to be.
[20:21] Kevin Lundberg: That's when this initiative was voted on, and it passed just barely, meaning, I don't know, 53%, 54%.
[20:33] Kevin Lundberg: It was an overwhelming majority of people that voted for it, but a majority did.
[20:44] Kevin Lundberg: And, you know, you mentioned that it greatly increased the cost of running for office with kind of a weird twist to it because, you know, it used to be that if you were a Republican, you ran for nomination to the general election against other Republicans, which was voted on by Republicans.
[21:12] Kevin Lundberg: but now in the last two election cycles, it's been a very different mix.
[21:17] Kevin Lundberg: And this really kind of upsets the apple cart as far as how people are elected to stand for election in a general election by, you know, somebody other than the Republicans pick them.
[21:38] Kevin Lundberg: and there was a provision in it that said, well, the party could opt out if they could generate 75% ofthe total membership of the state Senate committee to vote against it, and then it would only be good for the next election cycle.
[21:54] Kevin Lundberg: Well, that's a ridiculously high standard that has never been met, and that was voted on on Saturday, and that failed.
[22:08] Kevin Lundberg: One, it's such a high standard, but number two, people realized that that really wasn't a viable option, because if the party had opted out, and that's what they called it, the opt- out, thenthere would be no primary at all, and the party would be forced to pick their nominees through a convention assembly, thus cutting out all Republicans to be able to vote on a primary as well.
[22:37] Kevin Lundberg: And that's, this is not a, Prop 108 really doesn't meet constitutional standards.
[22:44] Kevin Lundberg: And that was proven by the United States Supreme Court when they knocked down a similar law in California back, way back in 2000.
[22:54] Kevin Lundberg: When they put Prop 108 together, they said, we'll put in this opt- out provision,but it's not legal.
[23:02] Kevin Lundberg: And so the other option is, let's challenge the whole legality of Proposition 108 in the federal courts.
[23:09] Kevin Lundberg: That's what passed by a unanimous vote last Saturday.
[23:15] Kevin Lundberg: So the Republicans voted to completely challenge it.
[23:25] Kevin Lundberg: That means that now you have to prove it up the courts.
[23:31] Kevin Lundberg: the party and interested individuals need to step up and pay for the lawsuit which will be a uh...
[23:39] Kevin Lundberg: An expensive part, but much less expensive then what individual candidates have to go through.
[23:46] Kevin Lundberg: I mean, if you bundle it all up, uncertain, millions of dollars to spend every year for republicans running in the primary but having to run uh...
[23:56] Kevin Lundberg: and they're they're campaign and communicate to all of the unaffiliated voters as well uh...
[24:04] Kevin Lundberg: so anyway the next house issues to raise the money for the uh...
[24:12] Kevin Lundberg: Of of the party and individuals and and but there was actually a another resolution was passed that said, unless set up some sort of an organizational structure to create some fundraising for all of this.
[24:26] Kevin Lundberg: So I'm very grateful that a they they said, let's tackle the real problem, which is the whole arm essentially open primary system.
[24:35] Kevin Lundberg: It's not totally open because democrats can't vote for republican primaries in some states have put in place, and that's a whole nother discussion about that work, but basically it doesn't meet constitutional standards for what we have here in colorado.
[24:55] Kevin Lundberg: Federal court, and that is exactly what the state council committee voted to do unanimously.
[25:01] Kevin Lundberg: Now the job is to go out there and raise the funds, uh...
[25:12] Kevin Lundberg: Lawyers who know what they're doing in federal courts and go after this, and- and I'm very encouraged that I I see a lot of movement now on the part of the the officials in the party to yell it, let's, let's get this done, and that's what I'm looking forward to seeing happen.
[25:29] Kim Monson: Well, and it looked to me, because so we had john eastman on before the big meeting and it seemed to me there was so much emotion around this opt- out question.
[25:39] Kim Monson: Uh, but the real go, and I think if they hadn't had the opt- out conversation,kevin, we would never have gotten to this point of challenging the constitutionality of prop 108..
[25:52] Kevin Lundberg: that's an excellent point because of course the opt- out isis a huge part of the uh of why it's unconstitutional to force the republican party into this open primary situation um but yeah i got the conversation going got people thinking And you're quite right, it was a very emotional issue that there were, you know, good people on both sides of that coin trying to say, well, we ought to do it.
[26:24] Kevin Lundberg: And yet it pushed us to the point to realize something needs to happen.
[26:30] Kevin Lundberg: And something that could have the best outcome is to challenge its constitutionality in the courts.
[26:41] Kim Monson: And I just want to mention, I'm over here on Ballotpedia and I've just been, you know, the whole follow the money thing and I couldn't quite figure out this whole opt- out thing.
[26:53] Kim Monson: That's probably when I really started to pay attention.
[26:56] Kim Monson: I can't remember if we did our voter's guide that year or not.
[26:59] Kim Monson: We will be doing our voter's guide.
[27:02] Kim Monson: But to support the open primary 108, there was almost$ 5.
[27:09] Kim Monson: And the opposition only had 71, 000.
[27:14] Kim Monson: Butyou're continuing to see a lot of the same names.
[27:24] Kim Monson: And you continue to see him pop up on a number of these different initiatives, putting big money behind it.
[27:29] Kim Monson: And these things, as you mentioned, this was unconstitutional.
[27:32] Kim Monson: But the way they crafted it with that 75% vote thatthey needed, I think they were trying to get around the California one, which was ruled unconstitutional.
[27:45] Kim Monson: So I think that, you know, it was really by design.
[27:49] Kim Monson: Unanimous to get two Republicans to agree on something is pretty amazing.
[27:56] Kim Monson: So that this was unanimous is pretty remarkable.
[27:58] Kim Monson: So, Kevin, thank you so much for giving us an update on this.
[28:03] Kim Monson: I think it's important, and hopefully this will get through the courts, and we can get that taken care of, hopefully before the 2022 election.
[28:09] Kim Monson: I know that's a tall order, but that would be great.
[28:15] Kevin Lundberg: I certainly appreciate you kind of giving us a little space of time to just jump in and give you the highlights so people can know that we've got a good path ahead if we'll just pursue it with all diligence.
[28:28] Kim Monson: You had mentioned the lawsuit, and if people want to help on that lawsuit, You know, I think you said we'd love to do it with$ 50 donations or less.
[28:39] Kevin Lundberg: Not quite yet, because we've got to, you know, you mentioned John Eastman.
[28:45] Kevin Lundberg: He is actually doing some research into this and, you know, checking with the party on what is the proper path in light of Colorado campaign finance rules.
[28:58] Kevin Lundberg: So we want to make sure that we've got a you know everything done properly, and so stay tuned.
[29:05] Kevin Lundberg: It won't be long, but we'll figure this out and and we'll.
[29:10] Kevin Lundberg: We'll then make make this available for people to respond to perfect.
[29:16] Kim Monson: Kevin Lundberg, thank you, I'll do it okay and we're gonna go to break when we come back.
[29:23] Kim Monson: We're going to talk about the electric grid.
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[30:21] Kim Monson: We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[30:28] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do that.
[30:32] Kim Monson: And it's never compassionate to take other people's rights, their property, their freedom, or their livelihood via force, whether with a weapon policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, or the latest silent thief, which is government- induced inflation.
[30:51] Kim Monson: I know you all comment that you really appreciate the quotes and we're going to be talking with michael maybe here in just a moment.
[30:57] Kim Monson: So, but I and we're talking about the electric grid, so I thought: oh, who would be a great person to quote, and that is thomas edison, and he was an american inventor and businessman.
[31:07] Kim Monson: He was described as america's greatest inventor and he developed many devices and fields such as electric power generation, mass communication in sound recording, motion pictures.
[31:21] Kim Monson: And he said this, he said, our schools are not teaching students to think.
[31:24] Kim Monson: It is astonishing how many young people have difficulty in putting their brains definitely and systematically to work.
[31:31] Kim Monson: And producer Steve, you and I were talking about that in the pre- show conversation.
[31:35] Kim Monson: Andthat was, I mean, he died in 1931.
[31:40] Kim Monson: And now we look at education, so I guess each generation has the same challenges.
[31:45] Kim Monson: Producer Steve, let's just say he said those words in 1930.
[31:48] Producer Steve: So how many years, what night of 90 years since?
[31:51] Producer Steve: He thought if he saw it, then what's it like today?
[31:56] Producer Steve: I know.
[31:56] Kim Monson: So anyway, I thought that was very, very interesting, and again that's Thomas Edison, and we're going to be talking about our electric grid.
[32:05] Kim Monson: Really excited about my next guest, Michael Mabee.
[32:07] Kim Monson: He's worked as an urban EMT and paramedic.
[32:11] Kim Monson: He worked as a suburban cop for the federal government.
[32:14] Kim Monson: He's had a lot of military training, two wartime deployments to Iraq, two humanitarian missions to Guatemala.
[32:21] Kim Monson: He was decorated by both the Army and the federal government for his actions on 9- 11 at theWorld Trade Center.
[32:30] Kim Monson: But he has to say his favorite decoration was having one of his troops in Iraq say to his first sergeant after a convoy, I'm not sure if I can, that sergeant major is a major hard and then fill in the blank since we're on the air.
[32:44] Kim Monson: So he has a lot of experience on this, but he's written a book and the book is, it is titled the civil defense book.
[32:52] Kim Monson: And he says he wrote this because he spent his entire adult life in the service of our country and our people.
[32:59] Kim Monson: and he feels that protecting the country and our communities is still a worthy cause.
[33:03] Kim Monson: So Michael Mabee, welcome to the show.
[33:21] Kim Monson: And I am learning that we have, we're at tremendous risk here in America, our way of life, certainly energy is what powers our lives, and we are at significant risk.
[33:34] Kim Monson: So what's your thoughts on this, Michael?
[33:36] Michael Mabee: Well, we have known for decades that the electric grid is vulnerable to a wide variety of threats.
[33:45] Michael Mabee: And, you know, generally speaking, nowadays, people really take it for granted that they flip on the switch and the lights come on.
[33:53] Michael Mabee: But when you really take a look at what America's Achilles heel is, it's actually the electric grid.
[34:02] Michael Mabee: So the electric grid is the life support system that enables the 330 million people in the United States to survive.
[34:12] Michael Mabee: Everything that we need to survive as a country and as people is completely dependent on the electric grid.
[34:20] Michael Mabee: Food is dependent on the electric grid, water, emergency services, our medical services, communications.
[34:28] Michael Mabee: All of the critical infrastructures in the United States depend on this one thing, the electric grid.
[34:34] Michael Mabee: And for decades, the federal government has known that the electric grid is susceptible to a really wide variety of threats, including cyber attack, physical attack, an attack by an electromagnetic pulse, a solar weather, actually.
[34:56] Michael Mabee: so it doesn't even have to be an enemy trying to take us out.
[34:58] Michael Mabee: Mother Nature, with mathematical certainty, is going to throw a geomagnetic disturbance at us or a solar flare at some point.
[35:09] Michael Mabee: We just don't know exactly when, and our electric grid is completely susceptible to that.
[35:14] Michael Mabee: So despite the fact that the federal government and the industry has known for decades about all of these threats, relatively little has been done to protect the electric grid against any of them, believe it or not.
[35:29] Kim Monson: Well, and you have written a piece recently, how the electric utility industry torpedoed grid security.
[35:38] Kim Monson: And we've got a couple of things on the headlines.
[35:41] Kim Monson: And there has been a real assault on fossil fuels out here in Colorado.
[35:46] Kim Monson: Colorado is a great energy producer, and we're seeing public policy.
[35:53] Kim Monson: This was reported by the Colorado Sun, that Colorado regulators move forward with a controversial new law to slash greenhouse gas emissions, and it's the first of its type in the nation.
[36:06] Kim Monson: Colorado is doing a lot of things first in the nation, which are not good for everyday hardworking people.
[36:13] Kim Monson: But then in Colorado, They're also putting in, this is from the Colorado Sun, that Xcel Energy's new electric vehicle incentives are including used car rebates and a variety of things.
[36:24] Kim Monson: So they're trying to push people into getting onto the electric grid.
[36:29] Kim Monson: And, of course, everything is dependent, as you mentioned, on that.
[36:32] Kim Monson: But this has been really a, and I've watched it, this has really been a public policy thing.
[36:38] Kim Monson: I look at, like, Xcel Energy, and, hey, if you can go to the public policymakers, the politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, and get them to shut down your competition and then push people to your product, then, of course, that increases revenues.
[36:58] Kim Monson: But the electric utility industry has really not done much for grid security.
[37:04] Kim Monson: So you know more about that, but I'm just the bystander kind of watching all this.
[37:10] Michael Mabee: So, you know, the first thing that I would say is that the security of the electric grid is not a partisan issue.
[37:24] Michael Mabee: And I would point out that, you know, both Democrats and Republicans or both conservatives and liberals are going to die at about the same rate when the grid goes down.
[37:36] Michael Mabee: So, you know, one thing that I think we have to be very careful about is, you know, this isn't a partisan issue.
[37:41] Michael Mabee: Now, we've got a lot of people out there who are advocating for green energy, and we've got a lot of people out there who are advocating, you know, that fossil fuels are more reliable.
[37:51] Michael Mabee: Just to give you one example of why, you know, this is a separate debate, you know, about how we want to power our grid for the future.
[38:00] Michael Mabee: All of these things, whether it's green energy, solar, hydro, wind, or whether it's more kind of conventional energy types like coal and oil and natural gas, all of them are susceptible to the same threats.
[38:17] Michael Mabee: So what we really need to do is address the threats.
[38:20] Michael Mabee: And I think how we power our future grid is a completely valid but really separate argument.
[38:27] Michael Mabee: And that seems like some of the partisan politics comes in.
[38:30] Michael Mabee: And a really good example of this was the Texas blackout in February, which I happen to live through.
[38:37] Michael Mabee: And so I was right in the middle of it when this happened.
[38:41] Michael Mabee: And so as soon as, you know, the lights hadn't even come back on and the finger pointing had already started.
[38:49] Michael Mabee: And, you know, there were a lot of people that were blaming the green energy, you know, the solar and the wind.
[38:56] Michael Mabee: But the fact of the matter is every generation type in Texas failed.
[39:01] Michael Mabee: So the problem wasn't, you know, solar, wind, coal, oil, nuclear.
[39:12] Michael Mabee: All generation types failed during that blackout.
[39:15] Michael Mabee: And really, the root cause of the problem was the lack of addressing winterization of the facilities and the really horrible thing about the Texas blackout.
[39:30] Michael Mabee: So we had, as of now, the state of Texas reports, there were 210 deaths related to that outage.
[39:38] Michael Mabee: And most of these deaths were related to hypothermia or exposure and carbon monoxide poisoning.
[39:45] Michael Mabee: So they were directly attributable to the loss of the electric grid.
[39:50] Michael Mabee: And despite the fact that this horrible thing happened, it wasn't the first time.
[39:58] Michael Mabee: In Texas, the exact same thing happened in 2011.
[40:03] Michael Mabee: And then prior to that, the exact same thing happened in 1989.
[40:11] Michael Mabee: And after the 89 blackout, you know, there were hearings and reports, and they didn't fix it.
[40:17] Michael Mabee: And then it happened again in 2011, and there's hearings and reports, and they didn't fix it.
[40:24] Michael Mabee: There were, I believe, 26 bills introduced in the Texas legislature, including one bill that actually would have protected the grid in Texas.
[40:36] Michael Mabee: And the few bills that did pass are not going to mandate that this problem get fixed.
[40:45] Michael Mabee: The industry lobbies very, very heavily, both at the federal and at the state level, to keep regulation at bay.
[40:53] Michael Mabee: And just to give you an example of this, in the last 10 years, the electric utility industry has spent$ 1.
[41:00] Michael Mabee: 2 billion lobbying the federal government, just the federal government alone, not counting what they spent at the states, and has spent over$ 150 million in political contributions to members of the federal Congress.
[41:19] Michael Mabee: So when you think about the amount of money that the electric utility industry is paying to fight regulation, you know, one has to wonder, well, wouldn't this money be put to better use to harden the electric grid, you know, to make us all safer?
[41:37] Michael Mabee: The other real irony about all this money that the electric utility industry spends lobbying our legislators and providing these very, very generous contributions to them, is that this money all comes from our electric bills.
[41:55] Michael Mabee: So the American people are funding a campaign to thwart regulation of the electric grid.
[42:02] Michael Mabee: Now, we should probably kind of talk about this in context because I'm making the electric utility industry sound very evil.
[42:10] Michael Mabee: But in America, it is legal for them to do what they're doing.
[42:16] Michael Mabee: It is legal for special interest groups to lobby Congress and to give political donations.
[42:25] Michael Mabee: And also, most industries can, and you can imagine why.
[42:30] Michael Mabee: I mean, for people who are business owners, most industries tend to be against government regulation.
[42:44] Michael Mabee: And part of the problem we have now is we're not achieving that balance in our electric grid.
[42:50] Michael Mabee: So let's back up and let's talk about what the electric grid is, because that's really important for people to understand.
[42:57] Michael Mabee: So the electric grid isn't just one thing, and it's not owned or controlled by one company or one entity.
[43:04] Michael Mabee: The electric grid is actually around 3,000 different companies, both public and private sector company, that are involved in the generation, transmission and distribution of electric power.
[43:17] Michael Mabee: So this is 3,000 different barn doors we have to guard, and some of them are local municipal governments, some of them are federal governments, some of them are state governments, and a lot of them are private sector companies.
[43:33] Michael Mabee: And it's the biggest machine, the electric grid is the biggest machine in the history of the world.
[43:46] Michael Mabee: Arguably, he started it in the late 1800s in New York City with the Pearl Street substation, which initially just powered a couple of hundred lamps and, you know, a couple of buildings.
[43:56] Michael Mabee: But it's over the generations, the electric grid has just been built piece by piece.
[44:02] Michael Mabee: And so finally today we have this huge interconnected mesh of 3,000 different companies that are generating, transmitting, and distributing our electric power.
[44:16] Michael Mabee: So it's a huge, complicated machine, and the regulatory system behind it is mind-numbingly complex.
[44:25] Michael Mabee: But the bottom line is, you know, and I've been studying this for over a decade, presently, the federal government has no authority to tell the electric grid to harden itself against any threats.
[44:38] Michael Mabee: And the 50 different state public utility commissions have jurisdiction over a piece of it, which is the distribution piece.
[44:47] Michael Mabee: That's, you know, the wires that come from the pole on the street, you know, to our houses or businesses.
[44:52] Michael Mabee: The federal government has indirect authority over the transmission part, and that's those big, huge electrical lines that you see as you're driving down the highway that transmit energy for huge, huge distances.
[45:09] Michael Mabee: And then there's mixed jurisdiction over the generation piece.
[45:12] Michael Mabee: So you've got this mind-numbingly complex regulatory regime, and nobody has the authority to tell the electric grid to protect itself.
[45:21] Michael Mabee: Now, let's look at other examples of kind of regulatory schemes.
[45:30] Kim Monson: Michael, let's go to break and then come back on this.
[45:33] Kim Monson: This is a fascinating conversation.
[45:34] Kim Monson: I'm talking with Michael maybe regarding grid security now and our electric grid.
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[46:18] Kim Monson: We'll come back and talking with Michael Mabee about the security of our grid.
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[47:38] Kim Monson: having just a fascinating conversation with Michael Mabee regarding our electric grid.
[47:44] Kim Monson: And I think that we take turning on the switch for granted, Michael, and don't even realize how much we depend on our electric grid.
[47:54] Kim Monson: And you've said that there just hasn't been a regulatory agency.
[48:01] Kim Monson: And I don't really like government regulation, but it seems to me like from a free market standpoint that a utility would want to make sure that they have the grid hardened.
[48:13] Kim Monson: Because if things go down like what happened in Texas, I mean, the costs are significant.
[48:18] Kim Monson: But that doesn't seem to be happening, Michael.
[48:24] Michael Mabee: And, you know, in Texas, for example, actually the electric utility industry was successful in lobbying for legislation so that they can recover the costs for the outage that their negligence caused.
[48:38] Michael Mabee: So that's how powerful, you know, the electric utility lobbyists are right now.
[48:43] Michael Mabee: But in terms of, you know, actually protecting the grid, there isn't any government agency that has the authority to tell the grid to protect itself.
[48:50] Michael Mabee: But we're not just talking about, you know, kind of a free market thing.
[48:56] Michael Mabee: We're talking about the basics of the Constitution.
[48:59] Michael Mabee: So the federal government is obligated by the Constitution to provide for the common defense.
[49:07] Michael Mabee: That is one of its main jobs that it just isn't subject to debate, that the government is meddling in things that shouldn't be meddling or whatever.
[49:15] Michael Mabee: They are supposed to provide for the common defense.
[49:20] Michael Mabee: If the electric grid goes down as a result of a cyber attack, a coordinated physical attack or solar weather or any other reason, millions of Americans are going to die.
[49:37] Michael Mabee: The electric grid is what makes it possible to support a human population of 330 million in the United States.
[49:45] Michael Mabee: everything that we depend on to survive, food, water, medical everything depends on the electric grid so the federal government needs to step up and they need to protect
[50:00] Michael Mabee: this most critical of our critical infrastructures.
[50:03] Michael Mabee: We've identified 16 critical infrastructures in the United States.
[50:07] Michael Mabee: Every one of them depends on the electric grid, including our military bases, our nuclear power plants.
[50:19] Michael Mabee: And right now, the regulatory system is just allowing all of these threats to go unaddressed.
[50:28] Michael Mabee: In 1980, the Government Accountability Office published a report about the threats of a coordinated physical attack to the electric grid.
[50:39] Michael Mabee: So this is 40 years ago that, you know, the federal government recognized that a coordinated physical attack against the electric grid could be catastrophic and cause a widespread long-term outage.
[50:54] Michael Mabee: And yet here we are in 2021, and relatively nothing has been done.
[50:59] Michael Mabee: There is no requirement that the electric grid be protected from physical attacks.
[51:06] Michael Mabee: The transmission part of the electric grid has one really weak physical security requirement.
[51:11] Michael Mabee: That doesn't apply to very many of the facilities at all.
[51:15] Michael Mabee: So, you know, this is a clear failure of our federal government to do their constitutionally mandated duty of protecting the American people.
[51:27] Michael Mabee: And because of the power and the money that the electric utility lobby has been throwing in for the last several decades into thwarting further regulation.
[51:44] Michael Mabee: The only way we fix this is: people need to be involved.
[51:48] Michael Mabee: People need to contact their legislators, you know, their senators and their representatives.
[51:56] Michael Mabee: And up on my website in that article you talked about, I name all of the names from 2020.
[52:09] Michael Mabee: And, you know, the other thing is it's pretty bipartisan.
[52:16] Michael Mabee: some names that would really, really surprise you.
[52:19] Michael Mabee: I mean, two of the biggest recipients are Bernie Sanders, who's about as far left as you get, and Mitch McConnell, who's about as far right as you get.
[52:27] Kim Monson: I would recommend that you go to Michael's website and check that out, michaelmaby.
[52:34] Kim Monson: Michael, there was one other question, and we're getting close to the end of the show, and that is these transformers.
[52:42] Kim Monson: And we have made labor so expensive in America with all of the taxes and the fees on labor.
[52:52] Kim Monson: And so what has happened is a lot of our manufacturing has gone offshore.
[52:57] Kim Monson: And these big electric transformers, we have imported a bunch of those from China.
[53:03] Kim Monson: In our promo, I said that 20%of the energy in New York has Chinese transformers.
[53:11] Kim Monson: And when you and I talked after that, I'd already recorded it.
[53:15] Kim Monson: You said that was 10%, but it's 20% forLas Vegas.
[53:18] Kim Monson: And we realize that there might be some nefarious stuff going on with those transformers.
[53:24] Kim Monson: We've got about three minutes left.
[53:28] Michael Mabee: So the bottom line is, we are importing equipment from the People's Republic of China and installing it onto the electric grid that the Chinese are already hacking.
[53:49] Michael Mabee: We have, over the last decade, imported 366 large Chinese transformers and installed them into the electric grid that the Chinese are already hacking.
[54:19] Michael Mabee: A matter of fact, the federal government seized one of these in 2019 and brought it to a national laboratory because of security concerns.
[54:10] Michael Mabee: And yet today there is no requirement that anybody check any of this Chinese equipment or equipment from any other foreign manufacturer for that matter.
[54:21] Michael Mabee: Just so happens that the Chinese equipment is a pretty prominent piece of that.
[54:30] Michael Mabee: And like I said, we have 3000 different companies in the electric grid.
[54:34] Michael Mabee: If they want to buy their, you know, transformers or their SCADA systems or other electronics from China and install it onto the grid, there's nothing saying that they can't do that or that they have to check any of this equipment.
[54:46] Michael Mabee: So that's another, if you go up to my website, I filed a complaint with the federal government about this, basically telling the federal government they need to do their job, and we need to have some standards that this equipment be checked when it's installed on our critical infrastructure.
[55:03] Michael Mabee: And this is another thing where people can get involved.
[55:05] Michael Mabee: If you go up on my website, there's a Take Action tab, and if you click on that, anybody listening, if you're concerned about the safety of your family, we've got a take action tab that tells you exactly what you can do.
[55:20] Michael Mabee: And really, we need to hold our elected officials accountable to protect our families and protect our countries, which is their constitutionally mandated duty.
[55:30] Michael Mabee: So if they're taking money from the industry and not passing legislation to protect the grid, They're not doing their job, and we need to reflect that the next time we go into the voting booth.
[55:42] Michael Mabee: So I highly encourage everybody to contact your senator's office, contact your representative's office, ask them, why are we importing equipment from the People's Republic of China and installing it on the electric grid that the Chinese are already hacking?
[55:59] Kim Monson: And again, it's a pretty fascinating group of people that have been taking money from the industry on this.
[56:06] Kim Monson: And again, Michael, your website is?
[56:14] Michael Mabee: MichaelMabee, thank you so much for joining us, and let's stay in touch.
[56:27] Kim Monson: Whatever setbacks America has encountered, it has always emerged as a stronger and more prosperous nation.
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