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[02:11] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[02:15] Kim Monson: And it's not compassionate and it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, childhoods, or lives via force.
[02:25] Kim Monson: Force can be a weapon, but we're seeing it in policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation and fear, coercion, this government- inducedinflation.
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[03:24] Kim Monson: I'm very pleased to have in studio with me my friend, and that is Brad Beck.
[03:29] Kim Monson: He is an author, and he is co- founderof Liberty Toastmasters.
[03:35] Brad Beck: It's always good to see you, Kim, and have your presence and your smile and your enthusiasm.
[03:40] Brad Beck: Thank you for having me in studio.
[03:41] Kim Monson: Well, and this piece that you have written, this is a very important piece.
[03:46] Kim Monson: I think particularly it's misplaced generosity.
[03:50] Kim Monson: And in light of what has been happening, all the news that's coming out regarding the the somali non- profits,I'll have that in air quotes, uh, which has built the american taxpayer out of, they think, billion, at least a billion dollars.
[04:10] Brad Beck: Well, we believe in the idea of all men are created equal, but I don't believe that all cultures are created equal and there are people who have come to this country.
[04:22] Brad Beck: And they're not assimilating and they're not looking at the opportunities.
[04:27] Brad Beck: They're looking to transfer their lifestyles from where they came from here.
[04:33] Brad Beck: And I think that's part of the problem.
[04:37] Kim Monson: And if they like their lifestyle there, they should stay there.
[04:42] Brad Beck: And, you know, we have the greatest country in the world.
[04:45] Brad Beck: And if you want to come to America and be an American, guess what?
[04:48] Brad Beck: You can be from any nation in the world and be an American.
[04:52] Brad Beck: You can't say that about any other country.
[04:54] Brad Beck: You can't go to you name the country and become that.
[04:58] Kim Monson: Yeah, you can't become a Frenchman or Frenchwoman.
[05:00] Brad Beck: No, and we are the great melting pot, not the salad bowl.
[05:04] Brad Beck: And you have to learn about our culture.
[05:07] Brad Beck: And there are so many friends we have that have done that.
[05:10] Brad Beck: In fact, they're Americans by choice, they say.
[05:15] Brad Beck: And we welcome, after all, our ancestors came from somewhere else.
[05:20] Brad Beck: But there is a big divide, and it's growing.
[05:23] Brad Beck: And it's unfortunate because there's so much opportunity here.
[05:28] Brad Beck: And there are good people in all cultures.
[05:30] Kim Monson: When our ancestors came here, there was no government handouts.
[05:34] Kim Monson: And for example, the story of my paternal great- grandmother,she immigrated from Germany at the age of 15, and she worked for a family for a number of years in Omaha to work off her boat fare.
[05:53] Kim Monson: You could call that indentured servant to do so.
[05:57] Kim Monson: And so there was no handout, and they didn't expect a handout.
[06:02] Kim Monson: And so this, and you have really been the person that brought the word altruistic to the forefront.
[06:12] Kim Monson: It's an important word to understand.
[06:14] Brad Beck: Well, there's a French philosopher, Auguste Comte, and he was the one who came up with the idea and actually expanded on it.
[06:24] Brad Beck: But that you should, in essence, live your life for somebody else first rather than for yourself.
[06:31] Brad Beck: And egoism has gotten a bad name over the years.
[06:35] Brad Beck: We should take care of ourselves, our health, our mental capacities.
[06:39] Brad Beck: I mean, unfortunately, there was a tragic death by a well- knowndirector, actor in Los Angeles by his son.
[06:46] Brad Beck: And I don't agree with his political stance, but nobody should die that way.
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[06:51] Brad Beck: And we're going to find out that it was a mental illness issue.
[06:54] Brad Beck: We have that problem in this country.
[06:57] Brad Beck: we need to address it, whatever the cause is.
[07:00] Brad Beck: By the same token, we have the opportunities here that no other nation affords people.
[07:08] Brad Beck: You know, when I got up this morning, there was hot water and there was lights and there was food and maybe not on Wednesday, according to our power company.
[07:19] Brad Beck: But you know, we take it all for granted.
[07:22] Brad Beck: And we don't realize a generation or two ago, just the trial of doing something to make your life better was incredible.
[07:33] Brad Beck: To go get water in the morning, to have heat.
[07:37] Kim Monson: To heat a home by fire, I've done that a few times.
[07:42] Kim Monson: Especially if you don't know how to do it.
[07:47] Kim Monson: But I remember setting an alarm so that I could go and make sure that I had wood on the fire in the middle of the night because I didn't want to get up and have to restart the whole thing.
[08:02] Kim Monson: And we do take all of this for granted.
[08:03] Kim Monson: We're going to talk with Kyleen Rush in the next segment.
[08:06] Kim Monson: She's a mom who has apparently gotten a notice from Excel that because of high winds, they may shut down power tomorrow.
[08:15] Kim Monson: Okay, let's really think about that.
[08:17] Kim Monson: Excel's job, their job is supposed to be to provide reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power for its customers.
[08:26] Kim Monson: But if you enter in all of the World Economic Forum and all these tax incentives for industrial, wind, solar, and transmission lines, and there's a big land grab that's happening with that, And then you bring in Governor Jared Polis, who's trying to portray himself as a libertarian.
[08:51] Kim Monson: And instead, they've got these unattainable, unsustainable goals out here that has got us into a situation now where it's windy.
[09:02] Kim Monson: They said, we're going to shut down power.
[09:03] Kim Monson: But as Susan Kochavar had texted me yesterday, she said, there's wind in Wyoming and there's wind in Kansas and they don't have to shut down power.
[09:14] Brad Beck: I laughed earlier because one of the things that they're doing is CYA.
[09:17] Brad Beck: And when you're worried about getting sued again, a la the Marshall Fire, and you make billions of dollars, and I don't begrudge anybody making a good profit.
[09:28] Brad Beck: But billions of dollars over the last four years, and they can't figure out how to make the infrastructure so where the wind blows, things don't go bad, don't go south.
[09:41] Brad Beck: So, you know, I hate regulation, but the regulators need to be regulated a little bit.
[09:49] Kim Monson: And last month in November, Excel was in front of the PUC asking for a$ 356 million rate increase.
[09:58] Kim Monson: So they talk about wind and solar being affordable.
[10:01] Kim Monson: It's not, and it's not reliable, and they've not put in place situation.
[10:06] Kim Monson: We know that the wind blows sometimes, so come on.
[10:09] Kim Monson: I went out last Tuesday night to Elbert County because the Elbert County commissioners and the El Paso County commissioners denied a transmission line permit for Xcel to go across their counties.
[10:24] Kim Monson: They don't get any power from this.
[10:26] Kim Monson: And Excel is using eminent domain to take land for people that maybe have five acres.
[10:35] Kim Monson: And so I went out to make comments on it because this is in my backyard.
[10:41] Kim Monson: And there were three people that were sitting there as the commission.
[10:45] Kim Monson: And I thought, I don't know, I thought in my mind that there was multi- tuningthis.
[10:54] Kim Monson: And it's M- U-L-T-I-U-D-I-N-O-U-S,Multitudinous, which means very numerous, existing in great numbers, consisting of many parts, populace, crowded.
[11:04] Kim Monson: So I thought that the board, the PUC board, would have a number of members, so it would be Multitudinous.
[11:15] Kim Monson: There's three people that have been all appointed by Jared Polis that are making all these decisions.
[11:23] Kim Monson: and the decisions you can take right back up to Jared Polis.
[11:27] Brad Beck: There are people who are in elected positions that keep getting elected, and you have to wonder when will our fellow citizens wake up and stop electing these people who are taking from us our intellectual property, our physical property, and when are people going to wake up?
[11:51] Brad Beck: It's a total wealth transfer, and it's also theft.
[11:55] Brad Beck: And until we push back in the sense of enough, you know, they've destroyed Tabor or continue to go after it.
[12:08] Brad Beck: But there's been Republicans that have helped them.
[12:14] Brad Beck: It is both on the right and the left.
[12:15] Brad Beck: And I think we as citizens just have to say, enough, enough, stop, and quit voting for, you know, we just had referendums.
[12:23] Brad Beck: That was part of what I wrote in my essay.
[12:25] Brad Beck: And in those referendums, people are voting away their money.
[12:28] Brad Beck: Well, you can freely give your money to anything if you want.
[12:33] Brad Beck: But why are you using the force of government against your fellow citizens?
[12:38] Brad Beck: And there's a big trust problem here.
[12:39] Kim Monson: Well, and the other thing is, is there are those that benefit from that.
[12:44] Kim Monson: And instead of producing, if you can use government to take your neighbor's money and then give that money to you, that's theft.
[12:53] Brad Beck: Wait, let me adjust my tinfoil hat here.
[12:57] Kim Monson: Well, let's get into our quote of the day.
[13:02] Kim Monson: He was an English polymath, a writer, lecturer, art historian, art critic, droughtsman, and philanthropist of the Victorian era.
[13:10] Kim Monson: Do you ever wonder how they can get all that done?
[13:14] Brad Beck: But then I have a friend named Kim Monson.
[13:17] Kim Monson: I've never thought of myself as a polymath.
[13:21] Kim Monson: But he wrote on subjects as varied as art, architecture, political economy, education, museology, geology, botany, orthonology, literature, history, and myth.
[13:31] Kim Monson: And he said this, the highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it.
[13:42] Brad Beck: It reminds me of somebody who I followed for a year, John, now I just lost his name, Tremendous Jones.
[13:48] Brad Beck: I want to say Johnny, but it's not.
[13:53] Brad Beck: The only thing different between now and five years from now are the people you meet and the books you read.
[14:02] Brad Beck: So, I mean, it's amazing that people who are curious, they create.
[14:07] Brad Beck: People who are looking at the world, and even with all the craziness going on and all the negativity, it's a curious world, and there's a lot of beauty in it.
[14:17] Brad Beck: And we have to seek the beauty and not the evil.
[14:20] Kim Monson: And that's why we engage in this battle of ideas.
[14:23] Kim Monson: And we're going to be talking about your article that we're going to publish here.
[14:28] Kim Monson: Before we get to break, as you all know, I started a petition from the humanitarian component to call on Governor Jared Polis to release Tina Peters.
[14:42] Kim Monson: First of all, it's Christmastime, and I'm calling on him to exhibit some kindness and compassion, mercy.
[14:49] Kim Monson: She didn't even have a traffic ticket before this whole ordeal began.
[14:58] Kim Monson: And what that means is her son was killed in service to our country.
[15:03] Kim Monson: And so she is languishing in the prison down in La Vista and it's Christmas time.
[15:10] Kim Monson: She's appealing her case and the judge denied bail.
[15:18] Kim Monson: She'd really like to visit her mother and Tina is a cancer survivor and concerned that there might be a reoccurrence.
[15:25] Kim Monson: She needs some medical care as well, so the compassionate thing to do would be to release her.
[15:31] Kim Monson: And so we have a petition that is robust, but go to my website, Kim Monson, that's M- O-N-S-O-N.
[15:42] Kim Monson: This is not going to a petition gathering service.
[15:48] Kim Monson: Then on the 22nd, the due date is nine o'clock onMonday, the 22nd.
[15:53] Kim Monson: That afternoon, I'm going to take the signatures, first name, last initial, maybe the state, because we're having people signed from all over the country.
[16:04] Kim Monson: And I'm going to present that to Jared Polis.
[16:05] Kim Monson: And then I began my calling campaign with him yesterday, left a message with a great young guy, Arlo, at his office, that this is what we're doing.
[16:15] Kim Monson: And we're calling on him to release her.
[16:18] Kim Monson: And I need to get a press release out.
[16:22] Kim Monson: But this is the compassionate thing to do.
[16:25] Kim Monson: So Gold Star Mom, Cancer Survivor, Moms 97, and Jared Polis every year has pardoned or commuted sentences.
[16:42] Kim Monson: Seems like he could let a gold star mom out, so that's what we're calling on him to do.
[16:48] Brad Beck: Well, whether you agree with what purported to happen with Tina, the crime does not deserve what she's gone through.
[16:59] Brad Beck: And for nine years, to make an example of her, I think there was other ulterior motives at play here.
[17:08] Kim Monson: And I've watched all of this And aware of so many things.
[17:14] Kim Monson: But just from a humanitarian standpoint, We need to get her released.
[17:22] Kim Monson: So with that, hey, we're going to go to break.
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[20:28] Brad Beck: and the multitudinous of the radio dial that has so many other just talk shows.
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[20:39] Kim Monson: And pleased to have on the line with me, Kyleen Rush.
[20:44] Kim Monson: And I wanted to talk with her about.
[20:46] Kim Monson: She got a notice that Xcel Energy might turn her power off tomorrow.
[21:03] Kim Monson: Kyleen, you've got two little kids, and XL said they might turn power off.
[21:13] Kyleen Rush: Well, of course, it kind of threw me into a panic.
[21:17] Kyleen Rush: All of my appliances are electric because my house was built in 2017.
[21:22] Kyleen Rush: And uh, you know, of course there's been movement in colorado to move away from natural gas for quite a while now, and so I was thinking: you know, how am I going to feed my kids and heat the house when power could be out from anywhere from 8 to 24 hours, and they said maybe even a couple of days.
[21:43] Kyleen Rush: So um, I came up with the solution to get a camping stove that doubles as a space heater- that's propane- powered, just so that I have a way to keep the house warm and feed the kids.
[21:57] Kyleen Rush: Because there's, I don't really have any other options.
[22:00] Kyleen Rush: I don't have a wood stove because those are pretty unpopular in newer homes, and I don't have a gas stove either.
[22:06] Kyleen Rush: So it came down to pretty limited solutions.
[22:10] Kim Monson: And you don't have a gas fireplace because your home's a newer home and they've outlawed that so So here we've got a government, Kyleen, PBIs, as I affectionately call them, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that have been moving towards electrification for everything.
[22:33] Kim Monson: And they said, we might turn it off.
[22:35] Kim Monson: And it's December, and you've got little kids.
[22:37] Kim Monson: And so your alternative will be propane, which is a product of the naturally occurring hydrocarbons from oil, natural gas, or one of those are coal, right, Kylie?
[22:52] Kim Monson: So what about your sphere of influence?
[22:58] Kim Monson: Are your friends connecting the dots between public policy and how this affects their lives?
[23:07] Kyleen Rush: There are some who do connect the dots and there are some who don't.
[23:13] Kyleen Rush: For instance, I left a reply to a comment on a Facebook page yesterday about this, where a woman was saying, oh, yeah, I'll be okay for a few hours without power.
[23:25] Kyleen Rush: And, you know, it's okay because it prevents wildfires.
[23:28] Kyleen Rush: And I said, well, you know, we have to consider the people who may have medical issues that need constant oxygen.
[23:36] Kyleen Rush: And Excel actually privately messaged me back regarding the comment, basically saying, oh, you'll just have to make other arrangements.
[23:47] Kyleen Rush: But, you know, people with children and people with chronic medical conditions that need constant medical equipment do not usually have the money for this in our already stretched-in economy.
[23:59] Kyleen Rush: And it was just mind-blowing that Excel is so out of touch.
[24:04] Kim Monson: Gosh, now, and I know that I have some friends that have medical condition, and so they've prepared.
[24:10] Kim Monson: They have a generator, but they've spent thousands of dollars to prepare for something like this to happen.
[24:17] Kim Monson: And there's a lot of people that can't afford that, Kylene, especially as the cost of our electricity is going up and up and up.
[24:28] Kyleen Rush: All of my neighbors in my area have been complaining about the rates that Excel has been, you know, boosting over and over and over again.
[24:37] Kyleen Rush: And, you know, normally the bill is about$ 110 in the winter, but, man, I remember just a few years ago, you know, it was usually about, you know,$ 60 or$ 70.
[24:47] Kyleen Rush: And it's just getting really out of hand, and it's seeming like such a big cash grab, and we're not getting anything in return.
[24:59] Kim Monson: So you, young mom, paying more and more for your electricity, but when you need it, they're saying you can't have it.
[25:09] Kyleen Rush: And it just makes it so much more difficult to keep on top of when you've got everything else going with, you know, work and two little kids and, you know, running a whole household and all of the other things that life comes up with.
[25:22] Brad Beck: Brad, what do you think about this?
[25:25] Brad Beck: I was just going to ask, Kylene, at what point do you and your neighbors stop complaining to each other and get active and do something that can change the way the situation is?
[25:38] Brad Beck: I know my neighbors complain, and then they go on next door, and then it becomes a terrible mess, neighbor against neighbor.
[25:47] Brad Beck: But the only thing that we can do, I think, is to go and talk to the PUC or talk to various elected representatives and get something changed.
[26:01] Kyleen Rush: One of my neighbors actually did post something about how we can contact the PUC and things that need to be said to them in order to get them to stop doing this.
[26:11] Kim Monson: Well, and we also need to be reaching out to Jared Polis because he appoints the PUC.
[26:16] Kim Monson: This came in from one of our listeners.
[26:19] Kim Monson: She said, good morning, Kim and Brad.
[26:22] Kim Monson: I believe Excel probably sent these notices out to everyone on the west side of town as well.
[26:28] Kim Monson: I received a notice, as did a friend in Arvada.
[26:30] Kim Monson: This is probably a test run to see how tolerant we are of having our utilities shut off by the government.
[26:39] Kim Monson: I actually thought the same thing, Kylene.
[26:46] Kyleen Rush: And I'm all the way in Milliken, so I'm pretty far north compared to Arvada.
[26:51] Kyleen Rush: And so it seems to me it's the entire Front Range at least.
[26:55] Kim Monson: So, again, other states have WEND, and they're not shutting down power for their customers.
[27:04] Kim Monson: And so when I say, Kyleen, that we are at the tip of the spear of all of this stuff that's going on, I really think that's the case.
[27:12] Kim Monson: And so that's why we have to continue to engage in these conversations.
[27:17] Kim Monson: And I know that you are a very good communicator.
[27:20] Kim Monson: You come from very, very good genes to be a good communicator.
[27:27] Kim Monson: Can you say that today, good genes?
[27:34] Kim Monson: But, and I know that the other thing, because of your genes, is you're not afraid.
[27:46] Kim Monson: And so, obviously, you're going to be a good communicator, and you are going to be fearless.
[28:04] Kim Monson: I think we need to really work on the messaging here.
[28:10] Kim Monson: As I'm talking with you and Brad, it seems like we need to be starting letters and letters to the editor and op-eds and just get a consistent message out there so that people can really connect these dots.
[28:24] Kim Monson: I'm deducing, is that a word, that there are those maybe on this next door thread that are saying, being very altruistic, saying, oh, it doesn't matter to me that I don't have power for a little bit.
[28:39] Kim Monson: Not realizing that actually Excel's job is to provide reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power.
[28:45] Kim Monson: If you don't want to use as much power, then you should be able to make that choice, turn lights off or have your temperature lower.
[28:53] Kim Monson: But make that choice freely, not because of force, Brad.
[28:58] Brad Beck: Well, we don't have an alternative, do we?
[29:00] Brad Beck: I mean, some people would say, well, you can install your solar panels.
[29:04] Brad Beck: Well, that's really not a solution.
[29:07] Brad Beck: When you have a generator, it's a great idea for backup, but guess what runs it?
[29:14] Kim Monson: And they outlawed, actually, Kyleen, they took away the choice for people to have wood burning fireplaces in construction before you purchased.
[29:27] Kim Monson: Then they took away the option for naturally occurring natural gas and pushed everybody to electrification.
[29:34] Kim Monson: And then they said, we're going to take, then you can't have it.
[29:40] Kim Monson: Why can't we have some competition?
[29:42] Kim Monson: I think, wouldn't that be a great idea?
[29:49] Kim Monson: And the other, actually, I have to ask one other thing.
[29:52] Kim Monson: Don't you have to be careful if you have a camping stove or something like that indoors?
[30:00] Kim Monson: It needs to be, tell me, you know more about that, but don't people have to be careful if they do that?
[30:08] Kyleen Rush: So one of the dangers of having a camping stove inside is that if the flame goes out and it's just leaking the propane, that can very quickly lead to, you know, some poisoning and your quick expiration.
[30:26] Kyleen Rush: And the other thing you have to be careful of is, you know, tip over and other, you know, like a candle.
[30:31] Kyleen Rush: You know, you don't want to be putting it near any fabrics or flammable things.
[30:36] Kyleen Rush: So my plan was honestly just going to be to stay up late, make sure that you know the room kind of stays warm.
[30:43] Kyleen Rush: Turn it off, go to sleep for a little bit, wake back up, warm it up again.
[30:46] Kyleen Rush: You know you have to be really careful with that kind of stuff.
[30:52] Kyleen Rush: It was similar in Texas a few years ago when they had that really bad winter storm and people didn't have power for days and they were running their cars in their garage and, of course, getting carbon monoxide poisoning from that because they were just trying to heat their homes.
[31:06] Kyleen Rush: They were creating fires in their house, which, of course, burned some of their houses down.
[31:11] Kyleen Rush: I mean a lot of people passed away in that storm just because they didn't have power and they didn't have the means to keep themselves warm in other ways, because of all of the push for electric.
[31:21] Kyleen Rush: I even looked up yesterday how much it would be to put a wood stove in my house, and it's$ 10,000 to$ 12,000.
[31:27] Kyleen Rush: Most people don't have the extra funds to be able to put that in.
[31:33] Kim Monson: Because of high taxes and fees is one of those reasons.
[31:44] Kim Monson: However, she was looking at that they want to prevent another Marshall fire, and there are so many homeless that are building fires, and XL is doing a CYA again so they aren't blamed again.
[31:55] Kim Monson: So that probably makes sense as well.
[31:56] Kim Monson: Kyleen, we need to join together and figure out a plan on this.
[32:09] Brad Beck: Well, she's a normal person, and most normal people are thinking, what the heck is going on?
[32:14] Brad Beck: And how can we make it better, bigger and better than it is now?
[32:20] Brad Beck: And I think there's something else afoot.
[32:22] Kim Monson: Yeah, and we can do that, Brad Beck.
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[35:18] Kim Monson: In studio with me is my friend Brad Beck.
[35:21] Kim Monson: He's an author at the Kim Monson Show, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters.
[35:25] Kim Monson: And let's talk about your piece, Misplaced Generosity.
[35:32] Brad Beck: Well, I started thinking, you know, I love to always start off with a story that makes a point.
[35:37] Brad Beck: And there's a great variety of them, Aesop's Fables.
[35:40] Brad Beck: and there's a woodsman who has an axe, an iron axe, but he needs a handle.
[35:46] Brad Beck: So he goes through the forest and he asks the leader of the trees, can I get one of your trees?
[35:52] Brad Beck: And the leader of the forest says, well, you know, there's a little ash sampling over here.
[35:58] Brad Beck: Why don't you just take that and build your axe handle?
[36:02] Brad Beck: And then the next thing you know, that woodsman is chopping down all the trees.
[36:07] Brad Beck: and the trees look at each other and say, boy, you know, our generosity, we gave this woodman.
[36:17] Brad Beck: He's chopping all of our future down.
[36:20] Brad Beck: And that kind of reminded me of what we've done recently in Colorado with various referendums: that our fellow citizens voted the affirmative on.
[36:28] Brad Beck: And basically, they're more taxation.
[36:31] Brad Beck: They extend sunsetted laws that have been in place.
[36:37] Brad Beck: And what I have a real concern about is how we keep giving our fellow citizens money away.
[36:46] Brad Beck: And we are coming up on the 250th anniversary of our country.
[36:51] Brad Beck: And we're going to have parades and we're going to have celebrations.
[36:57] Brad Beck: And a lot of people are focusing on, you know, the things that, you know, a celebration does.
[37:03] Brad Beck: but they're not focusing on what makes us unique.
[37:07] Brad Beck: And what makes us unique is for the first time in human history, a group of men came together and recognized the universal equal natural rights of all others.
[37:20] Brad Beck: And it got me thinking, okay, if that's the case, then why do our fellow citizens not trust us to make decisions based on what's best for us individually?
[37:32] Brad Beck: Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't care about other people.
[37:34] Brad Beck: What I'm saying is take care of yourself, your family, your community.
[37:38] Brad Beck: Then you can take care of the state.
[37:40] Brad Beck: Everything else takes care of itself.
[37:45] Brad Beck: And so as we go into this next year, which is going to be fabulous, all the things that, you know, if you go online, you see all the celebrations already, the history.
[37:53] Brad Beck: How about reading the Declaration and the Constitution and the Northwest Ordinance and Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and figure out really what this country is about?
[38:05] Brad Beck: And it's not about giving things to other people just out of need.
[38:09] Brad Beck: I mean, I need a lot of stuff, but guess what?
[38:11] Brad Beck: I'm not going to go into my neighbor's garage and steal it.
[38:15] Brad Beck: We've become everybody needs something.
[38:21] Brad Beck: if I save for something, if I work for something, if I use the source of all wealth, my mind, I'm able to build that wealth.
[38:31] Brad Beck: It's so easy to say, hey, let's just tax our neighbor.
[38:36] Brad Beck: Let's not trust them to make their own decisions.
[38:38] Brad Beck: Let's put the force of government, put a gun to their head and say, you have to.
[38:44] Brad Beck: Just don't pay your taxes for one year and see what happens.
[38:50] Kim Monson: I've never shared her name, but years ago I did a lot of volunteer work.
[38:56] Kim Monson: And one of the things that I did was I did volunteer work with the Junior Symphony Guild.
[39:03] Kim Monson: They would bring designers in and have some of the old mansions in Denver and the designers would use their creativity and change a room and then Tickets, we'd sell tickets, and then the money was used to do Tiny Tots concerts for little kids and introduce them to music.
[39:23] Kim Monson: And there was a woman, she was really a socialite in Denver, I would say kind of the old Denver.
[39:28] Kim Monson: Her name was Barbara Urich, and she was a force to be reckoned with.
[39:32] Kim Monson: She was this beautiful blonde, although she said one time to me, she said, Oh, Kim, I have to go get my hair done because if I don't, they're going to say, she has such beautiful blonde hair.
[39:46] Kim Monson: She was funny, but she was a force to be reckoned with.
[39:52] Kim Monson: And she told me this story that, and she's since passed on, and her husband was an influential banker in town.
[40:02] Kim Monson: And so they grew up, she grew up, you know, poor, in a farming community.
[40:08] Kim Monson: And she said if somebody fell on hard times, they had what was called a pound party, where the neighbors all got together and they brought a pound of flour or a pound of sugar or a pound of whatever to help that family through those difficult times.
[40:23] Kim Monson: But they never planned on that they would bring a pound every week or every month.
[40:29] Kim Monson: And they also expected these people to take action to improve themselves.
[40:34] Kim Monson: And that story has stuck with me all these years.
[40:36] Kim Monson: It was by choice, but yet they required just that community responsibility of, we're not going to bring a pound over here and have you sitting on the couch eating chips and playing video games.
[40:52] Brad Beck: Oh, we found that out with the government shutdown, didn't we?
[40:55] Brad Beck: People were saying, well, where am I going to get my money?
[40:57] Brad Beck: well, I'm sorry, it's not your money and enough people can work.
[41:01] Brad Beck: But the incentives have been misplaced.
[41:04] Brad Beck: Going back to the progressive era, to the Great Society, even to the whole Green New Deal, there is a misplaced idea that we can just print more money or steal it from our neighbors rather than go out and earn it from the sources of our ingenuity, which is our minds.
[41:24] Brad Beck: And working together, we can come up with all kinds of wonderful things.
[41:29] Brad Beck: But it doesn't have to be coerced.
[41:33] Brad Beck: When it's coerced by the force of government, we always talk about freedom versus force.
[41:36] Brad Beck: When the government has a monopoly on force, you have no choice other than going out and redress your grievances, either by doing a petition or protesting peacefully in front of the Capitol or a city building or a school board and saying, this is not right and it needs to be some changes.
[41:55] Brad Beck: And I think, again, it comes down to trust.
[41:58] Brad Beck: Do you trust your elected representatives or do you trust your neighbors?
[42:02] Brad Beck: I'm going to trust my family first.
[42:03] Brad Beck: I'm going to trust my neighbors next.
[42:05] Brad Beck: And then I'm going to trust whoever we put into office.
[42:09] Brad Beck: And if we don't like it, we can unelect them with somebody different or better.
[42:13] Brad Beck: But the way the force has gone, I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point.
[42:17] Brad Beck: Well, we talked about it earlier.
[42:20] Brad Beck: It's Excel saying we're going to take precautions and going to turn off the power.
[42:28] Kim Monson: Well, and it's because government and a big business, this is cronyism, have gotten into bed with each other on this.
[42:36] Kim Monson: But it's an important dot to connect that the PUC, all three members are appointed by Jared Polis.
[42:44] Kim Monson: So this is the agenda of Jared Polis that is turning off your electric or potentially turning off your electricity in December in Colorado.
[42:58] Brad Beck: Well, we get the elected representatives we vote for.
[43:04] Brad Beck: And unfortunately, there are so many people in the metro area, Denver in particular, Boulder in particular, that have other means or can leave for a couple of days.
[43:14] Brad Beck: But what about all the people that are in trailer parks, in apartments, elderly?
[43:19] Brad Beck: They have a job that they can't leave.
[43:21] Brad Beck: You don't show up for your job, you lose your job.
[43:23] Brad Beck: And what about all the businesses that can't do business?
[43:28] Brad Beck: I mean, if you don't have a small business entrepreneurial base, you have nothing.
[43:33] Brad Beck: Because that's what drives all the big business.
[43:36] Brad Beck: That's where the ingenuity comes from.
[43:38] Brad Beck: That's where the creativity comes from.
[43:39] Brad Beck: And if we don't have that, if all those entrepreneurs can't work because the power is not on, because most people are not going to sit there and do work for three, four, five hours, their batteries go dead, and then an emergency comes up.
[43:57] Brad Beck: And I think they have to take the opportunity now to start looking at how to invest in their monopoly on power.
[44:03] Brad Beck: and the monopoly on power at Excel is they've made billions of dollars, not millions, billions with a B over the last four years since the Marshall Fire, and I don't see anything happening that would preclude this from being turned off, the power turned off.
[44:20] Kim Monson: And so we'll talk about profit when we come back because I think that's an important thing.
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[45:07] Kim Monson: And they're nonpartisan, nonpolitical, just focused on honor, integrity, and patriotism.
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[48:28] Kim Monson: One of our listeners said: kim, I beg to differ.
[48:34] Kim Monson: It is very effective leadership toward the direction of lifting democracy above our American liberty.
[48:40] Brad Beck: Well, the founders didn't want democracies, did they?
[48:43] Brad Beck: No, they looked at it and it was important to them.
[48:47] Brad Beck: And that's why they created a system, a constitutional republic that has democratic institutions that allows us to gather, to petition, to speak freely, to debate, and then come up to some kind of consensus that will move things forward.
[49:05] Brad Beck: Our whole system of checks and balances, most people don't even understand.
[49:10] Brad Beck: Most people don't understand the differences, responsibilities.
[49:14] Brad Beck: And that's the other thing is there's not only a responsibility of our elected representatives.
[49:19] Brad Beck: We, we the citizens, have a responsibility.
[49:22] Brad Beck: The idea of pursuit of happiness is really self-regulation.
[49:26] Brad Beck: It's not to go out and get stuff.
[49:31] Brad Beck: And that's where you find happiness, not just this constant want or need or taking from others.
[49:41] Kim Monson: And this came in on the line regarding our elections.
[49:47] Kim Monson: As you know, Brad, we have two lawsuits that is based on proof.
[49:54] Kim Monson: In fact, in the 2024 election, 14,500 people.
[50:00] Kim Monson: Because as you get closer to the election, under NIVRA, the National Voting Rights Act, there's all kinds of constraints.
[50:07] Kim Monson: So within those constraints, 14,500 people voted that should not have gotten ballots.
[50:16] Kim Monson: So as one of our listeners said, are we voting for these people?
[50:21] Kim Monson: And with that, before we lose any time, this is really interesting.
[50:26] Kim Monson: I'm watching the petition here for Tina Peters, where we are calling on Jared Polis.
[50:33] Kim Monson: They're messing up over here for everyday people with this whole power thing.
[50:38] Kim Monson: He could make himself look good by releasing Tina Peters.
[50:44] Kim Monson: Coming in from the woodlands in Texas, Live Oak, California, Grass Valley, California, West Bloomfield, Michigan, in addition to people from Colorado.
[50:54] Kim Monson: This is getting national attention.
[50:56] Kim Monson: Sign the petition and share it with folks to ask him to do the humanitarian thing.
[51:02] Brad Beck: Well, and we always talk about cost just from a financial standpoint.
[51:04] Brad Beck: It's costing a fortune to keep her in prison.
[51:08] Brad Beck: I mean, she could have an ankle bracelet at her home and carry on.
[51:15] Brad Beck: And, you know, being at home is not necessarily all the time the best place to be.
[51:21] Brad Beck: It can drive you crazy, especially if you work from home all the time.
[51:24] Brad Beck: But the point being is there are reasons why we have prisons.
[51:28] Brad Beck: And I really question whether or not she's the kind of person that needs to be in prison for what she did or didn't do.
[51:37] Kim Monson: Let's run over here to the word profit.
[51:41] Kim Monson: You mentioned Xcel Energy made billions of dollars.
[51:43] Kim Monson: I do not begrudge anyone making profit.
[51:47] Kim Monson: as long as it is the free exchange of value for value.
[51:53] Kim Monson: So, for example, if I come up with an idea and other people like it and they're willing to pay, you know, trade their value for value, I make money, they have value, that's great.
[52:07] Kim Monson: And if the idea that I have, a lot of people like it, then I make a lot of money.
[52:12] Kim Monson: And so the goal there isn't to make money.
[52:15] Kim Monson: The goal is to provide something that people like, and it makes their lives better, and they will trade value for value.
[52:24] Kim Monson: But when you add in coercion, when you add in, for example, the PUC, Jared Polis, and Excel, and you said they made billions of dollars, well, there's no competition.
[52:38] Kim Monson: You've got PBIs that are determining how much they can make.
[52:41] Kim Monson: This is not the way it's supposed to work.
[52:44] Brad Beck: No, and if you have the free marketplace and exchange a service for a dollar or goods for a dollar, that's the free value of the market, value for value.
[52:57] Brad Beck: When you have a monopoly on the use of force like the government does and regulatory agencies, that's when it gets out of balance.
[53:07] Brad Beck: And we're out of balance, and we have been out of balance, and people don't know what to do.
[53:12] Brad Beck: And so just like with this Tina Peters petition, I think there needs to be more active citizens going out and saying, hey, we need to do something about this.
[53:21] Brad Beck: And quit saying, well, somebody ought to.
[53:23] Brad Beck: Why don't our listeners get involved and do something?
[53:27] Brad Beck: Why doesn't somebody who says, you know, I'm just, as I used to say, I'm mad as heck and I'm not going to take it anymore.
[53:32] Brad Beck: Then what are you going to do about it?
[53:34] Brad Beck: Well, first with your family and your neighbors and talk to them.
[53:39] Brad Beck: And not everybody's an expert at this.
[53:42] Brad Beck: But if one person is really good at research and another person is really good at writing, and another person is really good at articulating these ideas and going to meetings from the town and from school boards, or whether it's a library district.
[53:55] Brad Beck: I mean, look at your tax bill and see how many taxing districts you have besides all the metro districts and the water districts and the law districts.
[54:02] Brad Beck: You know, I mean, it's just ridiculous.
[54:04] Kim Monson: It's amazing we have any money to do anything.
[54:09] Brad Beck: At the end of the month, I have no money.
[54:15] Kim Monson: Oh, Brad, I need to run this by you.
[54:17] Kim Monson: And you're going to stay for the next hour.
[54:22] Kim Monson: She said, maybe all the people sitting in the dark can watch a climate conversation on their phones.
[54:29] Kim Monson: Which that is the documentary that DeWalt Johnson put together.
[54:32] Kim Monson: And I had the great honor to moderate.
[54:38] Kim Monson: And then we'll go to the second hour.
[54:40] Brad Beck: Well, as I started this essay talking about the woodsman going to the king of the woods and asking for a young sapling and building an axe.
[54:50] Brad Beck: And then next thing you know, we're building a handle for an axe and start chopping down the trees.
[54:54] Brad Beck: We have to start thinking a little bit more and harder about cutting down that sapling of liberty.
[55:02] Brad Beck: Because liberty has not been the normal way of human existence.
[55:06] Brad Beck: And as we come up to 250 years, it's important that we reflect on it and defend it.
[55:12] Brad Beck: Not enough people are taking the time to think about defending it.
[55:17] Kim Monson: And offering our youth's future up as a sacrifice.
[55:22] Kim Monson: I would say that's the same as this young sapling.
[55:25] Kim Monson: But the thing about it is, is with tyranny, with dictators, if you don't stand against them, it's not going to get better.
[55:33] Kim Monson: And that's why we engage in this battle of ideas.
[55:36] Brad Beck: And I appreciate you giving me the time to be one of the advocates for liberty.
[55:41] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show, I went to John Ruskin, and he said this.
[55:46] Kim Monson: He said, people are eternally divided into two classes, the believer, the builder, and the praiser, and the unbeliever, the destroyer, and the critic.
[56:01] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[56:19] Kim Monson: So I'm going to say, Brad, it's great to have you here.
[56:22] Brad Beck: And my thoughts and prayers are with all the folks in Australia who've gone through some terrible things and those that lost family members at Brown University.
[56:29] Kim Monson: So thoughts and prayers for all of them.
[56:33] Kim Monson: You're going to stay here for the next hour.
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[58:15] Kim Monson: Welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show.
[58:18] Kim Monson: And thank you so much for joining us.
[58:20] Kim Monson: You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose.
[58:23] Kim Monson: Today's drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body.
[58:27] Kim Monson: My friends, we were made for this moment in history.
[58:30] Kim Monson: That's producer joe, luke, rachel zach, echo, charlie, mike, theresa, amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting.
[58:40] Kim Monson: You and I are working like maniacs to get things ready for next week for christmas, to take some time off right.
[58:48] Kim Monson: I'm so tired I know I can see you need, I think you think I think you need some uh toothpicks there because I know you've been burning the candle on a whole bunch of different ends.
[59:04] Kim Monson: And we're going to do a couple of evergreens.
[59:07] Kim Monson: I've not talked with Colonel Rutledge yet, but I think we're going to do an evergreen, I think on the tea party.
[59:16] Kim Monson: And then Ben Martin, who is a dear friend of both Brad Beck's and mine.
[59:20] Kim Monson: In fact, he was a co-founder with you for Liberty Toastmasters, right?
[59:24] Brad Beck: He was one of our charter members.
[59:26] Kim Monson: And we did a great interview with him.
[59:27] Kim Monson: So I think that we'll rebroadcast those two.
[59:31] Kim Monson: And then we're doing all new featured guests and featured content, which means we've got a very robust recording schedule right now.
[59:39] Brad Beck: I'll look forward to listening.
[59:42] Kim Monson: Well, Brad, it's always great to have you here.
[59:44] Kim Monson: As you know, we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force.
[59:50] Kim Monson: And if something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[59:53] Kim Monson: You should be able to engage in the battle of ideas and convince people, persuade them that it's a good idea.
[59:59] Kim Monson: But what we see with PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, that they use really force or coercion.
[60:08] Kim Monson: And that's why we continue to shed light upon this.
[60:11] Brad Beck: Well, one of the things we have to do and get better at and practice is find areas of agreement with those that we oppose and find out what's important to them.
[60:21] Brad Beck: And then we can go to facts and figures.
[60:23] Brad Beck: And if you start with a idea of what emotion do I want to work with this person on, and not to be manipulative, but to find out what really makes them tick.
[60:35] Brad Beck: We just say, oh, they're the other.
[60:39] Brad Beck: And the only way you're going to get to a point where you do have that persuasion is you have to do it at the heart.
[60:46] Brad Beck: You have to find out where that story is.
[60:47] Brad Beck: That's going to connect, the emotional aspect, to get your message across.
[60:52] Brad Beck: And you can do that with your credibility, with contrast, with the connection of the story that makes a point.
[61:00] Brad Beck: Very simple formula, but it's hard to do.
[61:03] Brad Beck: I know I've got to do a lot of different exercises, but I've got to do it constantly.
[61:09] Kim Monson: I saw someone who was a very effective politician, very effective.
[61:15] Kim Monson: I think inauthentic, not authentic.
[61:19] Kim Monson: However, she was very good at doing just that, reading the room, and then being able to connect, might say, oh, I love your green sweater.
[61:33] Kim Monson: Now, if it really was her favorite color, great.
[61:36] Kim Monson: but it might not have been, but it was that day.
[61:39] Kim Monson: And so I always struggled with that inauthenticity.
[61:44] Kim Monson: So if you can have, be able to read the room and be authentic at the same time, that is a unique skill set.
[61:53] Kim Monson: And I think that people can, one of the ways to do this, to learn a lot about this is Liberty Toastmasters.
[62:00] Kim Monson: I think people can make themselves better on that.
[62:03] Brad Beck: In fact, we have a meeting for the Denver group this Saturday at 10 to 12.
[62:08] Brad Beck: In fact, we're going to celebrate the ideas of virtue.
[62:11] Brad Beck: So the classical virtues, and we're going to celebrate the holidays, both Christmas and Hanukkah.
[62:16] Brad Beck: And what we do there is help people practice those skills of oral communication and leadership that will make them better in their jobs, in their avocations, in their ability just to connect with their friends and their neighbors and their family.
[62:30] Brad Beck: And I just think it's an important skill set, especially with AI.
[62:34] Kim Monson: And I really think those that are authentic in this age of AI are going to really shine.
[62:42] Kim Monson: And so Liberty Toastmasters is great.
[62:43] Kim Monson: It's going to be Liberty Toastmasters Day on the show on Thursday.
[62:46] Brad Beck: And I always look forward to listening to my fellow Toastmasters do table topics, basically.
[62:52] Brad Beck: You ask a question, and then they answer it and try to be the best that day.
[62:57] Kim Monson: And, yeah, I would encourage all of us to join Liberty Toastmasters.
[63:03] Kim Monson: Liberty Toastmasters Denver meets the 1st and 3rd, Saturdays of each month at the Independence Institute, and Liberty North the 2nd and 4th in Longmont.
[63:13] Kim Monson: So let's get over here in the spirit of Liberty Toastmasters, word of the day.
[63:21] Kim Monson: And it's M-U-L-T-I-T-U-D-I-N-O-U-S.
[63:25] Kim Monson: and it could be very numerous, existing in great numbers.
[63:29] Kim Monson: Number two, consisting of many parts.
[63:33] Kim Monson: And so your challenge is to use the word multitudinous in a sentence today.
[63:39] Kim Monson: Our quote of the day is John Ruskin.
[63:41] Kim Monson: He was born in 1819, died in 1900, and he was an English polymath.
[63:49] Kim Monson: And he said this, The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it.
[63:56] Kim Monson: And so that's our quote of the day.
[64:01] Brad Beck: I can read quote after quote and quote and then write a little note next to it and then use it for speech for Toastmasters.
[64:08] Brad Beck: Always a great way to get attention.
[64:10] Kim Monson: And one of the things, and I see this all the time at church, we have a number of great pastors, great communicators.
[64:18] Kim Monson: And I know I should not be looking at them from the Liberty Toastmasters component because I am listening.
[64:24] Kim Monson: But when I look at how they're able to move around and to use voice inflection and to use hand gestures and stories, I'm thinking, wow, this is good.
[64:40] Brad Beck: Well, they do it week in and week out.
[64:42] Brad Beck: That's like what we do in Toastmasters is practice.
[64:44] Brad Beck: And if you don't practice when you go to a school board meeting or to a town hall meeting, you're going to be fearful.
[64:54] Brad Beck: First of all, they put the pants on the same way you do.
[64:56] Brad Beck: And second of all, they work for you.
[64:58] Brad Beck: They're your elected representatives.
[65:03] Kim Monson: And so you can become a better communicator, and it will play out in all places in your life.
[65:08] Kim Monson: And on the line with us is someone who knows how important communication is because that is his business.
[65:14] Kim Monson: And that is John Boesen with Boesen Law.
[65:22] Jon Boesen: That's what lawyers that go into trial have to be good at.
[65:27] Jon Boesen: It's a skill set that's always something I'm working on, trying to develop and do a little bit better.
[65:32] Jon Boesen: Liberty Toastmasters, great organization.
[65:38] Kim Monson: And I tell Brad that I had crashed and burned one time, John, in front of like a thousand people.
[65:46] Kim Monson: And Liberty Toastmasters really helped me, Brad, to get my voice back.
[65:50] Brad Beck: John, I think she found her confidence back.
[65:53] Jon Boesen: I've listened to Kim speak in front of others, and she's got it.
[65:56] Jon Boesen: She's definitely gotten over that fear.
[65:59] Kim Monson: Well, and Liberty Toastmasters is a big component of that.
[66:04] Kim Monson: But, John, this week I wanted to talk about pharmaceuticals.
[66:07] Kim Monson: And there's pharmaceuticals out there that people like results, like these GLP-1s, which they're using them for some weight loss.
[66:17] Kim Monson: Some people have had some success, but some people have had some effects on it.
[66:26] Jon Boesen: Oh, it's gotten really scary, Kim, because I am getting on average close to two calls a day from folks that have experienced some really nasty stuff associated with their use of.
[66:40] Jon Boesen: GLP-1s, intestinal blockages, gastroparesis where your intestines, your stomach just kind of shut down.
[66:48] Jon Boesen: People that have had their gallbladders removed.
[66:50] Jon Boesen: I can go on and on and on, but it has become something that it's opened my eyes.
[66:57] Jon Boesen: We knew it was a problem and I can't believe that the lid is still on this.
[67:03] Jon Boesen: It's not going to last much longer, and folks are going to start really hearing about it more and more.
[67:14] Kim Monson: So if someone has, well, and John, you and I are free market people.
[67:20] Kim Monson: I think people should be able to make their choices.
[67:22] Kim Monson: But the issue, my understanding in talking with you regarding these GLP-1s is disclosure.
[67:33] Jon Boesen: And when I talk to folks- I have not spoken to one yet- that had any idea that there were negative side effects or adverse side effects that could affect them, the way they've been affected.
[67:47] Jon Boesen: It's the pharmaceutical's responsibility, and more so now than when the drugs first came out, to let folks know, hey, there's some problems that we're seeing with these.
[68:00] Jon Boesen: And that conversation, that warning, that disclosure is still not being made to the extent it should be.
[68:08] Jon Boesen: It's one of those things, Kim, where I've been doing this a long time, and we see the same pattern over and over again with pharmaceuticals.
[68:19] Jon Boesen: They know that there's some problems.
[68:21] Jon Boesen: They don't do a good job disclosing them because money matters to them.
[68:26] Jon Boesen: It matters to all of us, but they put money over people.
[68:31] Jon Boesen: And that's the problem with GLP-1s.
[68:34] Jon Boesen: A lot of folks getting very seriously injured from the use of these drugs.
[68:39] Jon Boesen: People can make their decisions, but they need to be informed decisions.
[68:42] Jon Boesen: And that's the problem with where things are at now.
[68:46] Kim Monson: So if people have an issue regarding a GLP-1, they should give you a call.
[69:00] Kim Monson: Again, that's John Boesen with Boesen Law and 303-999-9999.
[69:06] Kim Monson: And then, John, I can't believe that next week is Christmas week, and we're going to get everything prerecorded, so we'll talk with you a little bit later.
[69:14] Kim Monson: But I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
[69:16] Jon Boesen: And Merry Christmas to you, Kim, and your staff and everybody out there that listens to you.
[69:25] Kim Monson: Happy Hanukkah as well, because we're in Hanukkah right now.
[69:29] Brad Beck: Happy Hanukkah to all those who celebrate.
[69:32] Kim Monson: So my kids had one family, good friends of ours, Jewish family.
[69:38] Kim Monson: And my kids, like, how come they get presents for eight nights and we only get presents for one night?
[69:46] Brad Beck: Well, you have the 12 days of Christmas, don't you?
[69:49] Brad Beck: Yeah, but I don't give gifts for 12 days.
[69:51] Kim Monson: Hey, John Boesen, thank you so much.
[69:53] Kim Monson: It's always great to talk with you.
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[73:00] Kim Monson: You should not have to force people to do it.
[73:02] Kim Monson: And the two nonprofits that I highlight on a regular basis on the show is the USMC Memorial Foundation and they are raising money for the care of the memorial and the remodel of the memorial.
[73:15] Kim Monson: And you can make a year-end tax-deductible contribution by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.
[73:20] Kim Monson: and then also the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo.
[73:25] Kim Monson: Pueblo, Brad Beck is in studio, my fellow Liberty Toastmaster and a co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters.
[73:32] Kim Monson: And Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there.
[73:37] Brad Beck: And it's a great all-American town.
[73:42] Kim Monson: And Drew Dix, who is a Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War, he and Brad Padula are the founders of the Center for American Values.
[73:50] Kim Monson: neither of these organizations take government money.
[73:55] Brad Beck: And I love listening to their podcast.
[73:57] Kim Monson: Oh, yeah, you've listened to Drew's, haven't you?
[73:59] Brad Beck: Oh, yeah, and I love the whole concept.
[74:01] Kim Monson: Yes, and you can access that by going to their website, which is AmericanValueCenter.
[74:09] Kim Monson: And I'm pleased to have on the line with me Nathan Worcester, who is an award-winning journalist for the Epoch Times.
[74:18] Kim Monson: He frequently covers Capitol Hill elections and the ideas that shape our times.
[74:23] Kim Monson: He's also written about energy and the environment.
[74:25] Kim Monson: He's a busy guy, and you can reach him at Nathan.
[74:29] Kim Monson: It's W-O-R-C-E-S-T-E-R at EpochTimes.
[74:38] Kim Monson: And just, I always struggle a little bit on how to pronounce your last name, because the way it's spelled and the way it's pronounced are two different things in my mind.
[74:54] Nathan Worcester: I think it's easier if you think of Worcestershire sauce, the condiment, or something like that.
[75:02] Kim Monson: And what's the heritage of your name?
[75:10] Kim Monson: And you write important pieces to keep people informed.
[75:14] Kim Monson: And I wanted to check out this first one that was published just recently.
[75:19] Kim Monson: The Senate rejects duly health care bills tackling expiring Obamacare subsidies.
[75:25] Kim Monson: Nathan, I just got a notice for my insurance, and it is going up.
[75:36] Kim Monson: I had not, it's going up well over 10%.
[75:40] Kim Monson: And so they've said that Obamacare was going to be affordable, but everything's unaffordable.
[75:46] Kim Monson: I don't quite understand what's going on.
[75:58] Nathan Worcester: So I guess one could argue that the Obamacare marketplaces have had a distorting effect on other plans.
[76:07] Nathan Worcester: But in this specific case, the percentage of people who are on these marketplace plans, they are set to face a cliff at the end of the month if these enhanced premium tax credits expire, as they may set to be.
[76:31] Nathan Worcester: That seems like a possibility to perhaps kick the can down the road if the Senate is able to negotiate something or the House can negotiate something in the next several days.
[76:44] Nathan Worcester: But, you know, in the case of these two bills, one of them was the Democrats' measure.
[76:52] Nathan Worcester: They wanted to extend those subsidies for another three years.
[76:55] Nathan Worcester: Incidentally, this is something they negotiated to end the shutdown um.
[77:01] Nathan Worcester: They got a promise to be able to vote on on this in december, and that failed, though it did end up securing um four votes from republicans.
[77:11] Nathan Worcester: And meanwhile, uh, republicans advanced their own plan that was based upon the use of hsa's health savings accounts.
[77:20] Nathan Worcester: For some people, there would actually be money placed in them.
[77:25] Nathan Worcester: So this is in line with what President Trump has said about trying to empower Americans to spend their own money rather than giving it to the insurance industry.
[77:49] Nathan Worcester: After this series of votes, we just have a few more days before the end of the year.
[77:59] Nathan Worcester: There is going to be a vote on Wednesday, potentially a significant one, pertaining to this issue.
[78:11] Nathan Worcester: If something passes the House that would include some extension of the enhanced premium tax credits, that still, you know, that just could leave a day or so for the Senate to respond, and that just might not happen.
[78:27] Nathan Worcester: So, yeah, that is where things stand on this particular issue.
[78:33] Nathan Worcester: But, you know, things could continue to evolve in rather interesting ways here, both this month and then next month.
[78:41] Kim Monson: Okay, so Nathan, I just did a quick calculation.
[78:44] Kim Monson: My premium is going up 14%, which when they talk about affordable health care, that's not affordable.
[78:52] Kim Monson: And so people are getting hit out here in Colorado, in particular, with higher costs for electricity, now higher costs for their health care premiums.
[79:01] Kim Monson: But let's go back over here because I don't think I quite understand what you're describing here.
[79:09] Kim Monson: So there's these Obamacare health care plans that people are on where the premium is being subsidized.
[79:22] Nathan Worcester: This is something that was put in place during the COVID period.
[79:26] Nathan Worcester: These were supposed to be short-term subsidies, but they've been extended now for years.
[79:32] Nathan Worcester: And so, you know, what people will point out is that if you were to just yank this away, it's true that some people on these Obamacare plans would see really significant increases in their premiums, something like, for example, for some families, you might have like tens of thousands of dollars more per year that you're paying.
[79:57] Nathan Worcester: On the other hand, these are in place, at least hypothetically, as a temporary measure.
[80:05] Nathan Worcester: They were put in place to alleviate strains during, you know, an emergency where many people were out of work.
[80:12] Nathan Worcester: So it just, we come back to the question, you know, Why was it possible for the insurance industry apparently to readjust to a norm where people, if they lose what are supposed to be temporary subsidies, will suddenly be paying a lot more within Obamacare?
[80:28] Nathan Worcester: Which, again, as you point out, this was meant to make health insurance cheaper.
[80:33] Nathan Worcester: And so, yes, we just keep running into that same basic problem when it comes to the ACA and affordability.
[80:41] Kim Monson: Okay, Nathan, I'm going to ask you, this is a softball question, okay?
[80:48] Kim Monson: And that is, so these people have these plans, and they're being subsidized.
[80:54] Kim Monson: So they're being subsidized by their neighbors or through debt that we're taking on, that our kids have to pay.
[81:01] Kim Monson: Who is benefiting, who is receiving that money, those subsidies?
[81:06] Nathan Worcester: You know, that would quite obviously be, I mean, unless we make it a little more complicated, yeah, it would be the insurance companies.
[81:19] Nathan Worcester: We could also potentially say, you know, by creating a situation where apparently there's now a new norm that the insurance companies have adjusted to, maybe this has ancillary benefits for other players in the system.
[81:38] Nathan Worcester: Maybe this is something that big pharma, that hospitals, that politicians themselves are comfortable with.
[81:47] Nathan Worcester: If more money is flowing into the system, maybe they have other incentives.
[81:51] Nathan Worcester: But most directly, it's going to be those insurance companies, I think, that would benefit.
[82:01] Kim Monson: And Nathan, this is my good friend Brad Beck, who is an author here at the Kim Monson Show and a regular guest and many times a guest host of the show as well.
[82:09] Brad Beck: Well, Nathan, I appreciate what you guys do at the Epoch Times.
[82:13] Brad Beck: And I'm a subscriber, so I read you all the time.
[82:16] Brad Beck: But my real thought about this is getting to a solution.
[82:19] Brad Beck: And isn't the solution the separation of health care and business, getting the government to separate having an employer pay for health care?
[82:34] Nathan Worcester: Yeah, you know, I have to confess, you know, I'm not someone who has thought deeply enough about how you can really meaningfully both reduce costs and provide.
[83:06] Nathan Worcester: It seems like a great difficulty that people have in the current order with just, in general, it seems like the system now, it can be very challenging.
[83:20] Nathan Worcester: For example, if you're someone who is, you know, not necessarily at the scale of poverty, if someone on Medicaid, but then also if you're not very, very wealthy, you can kind of be caught the middle and you end up paying a lot of money and- and as with many other cases, it seems like the middle class is caught, subsidizing a lot of people elsewhere in the system, which is probably not an ideal situation.
[83:48] Nathan Worcester: I I think, especially for younger people who are not that sick, if they're looking at their first health insurance plan, that they're paying, especially if they're self-employed, or if they're otherwise not, if they're forced to operate with the exchanges.
[84:06] Nathan Worcester: And for someone who's not dealing with health issues that would require them going to the pharmacy or going to the hospital regularly, it can be very frustrating.
[84:16] Nathan Worcester: I can tell you as someone having been out on the marketplace a few years back when it was very new, it was kind of shocking seeing just how expensive it was.
[84:28] Kim Monson: Well, and again, so our young, healthy people, you use that word that we talk about all the time, and that is the word force.
[84:35] Kim Monson: And if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[84:38] Kim Monson: We're going to continue the discussion with Nathan Wooster, and he is with the Epoch Times.
[84:44] Kim Monson: Brad Beck, who is a frequent guest, guest host of the Kim Monson Show, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters, and author at the Kim Monson Show, is in studio.
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[88:14] Kim Monson: In studio with me is my friend Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters.
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[88:39] Kim Monson: On the line with us is Nathan Wooster.
[88:41] Kim Monson: He is an award-winning journalist for the Epoch Times.
[88:46] Kim Monson: He covers Capitol Hill, elections, ideas that shape our times.
[88:49] Kim Monson: He's written about energy and the environment.
[89:00] Kim Monson: So Nathan, you recently published a piece regarding the Senate's blue slip tradition is hampering Trump's appointments.
[89:11] Kim Monson: And we've talked with a number of people that have said that in some ways it appears that Congress is slow walking Trump's appointments, his agenda.
[89:20] Kim Monson: What should people know about this?
[89:24] Nathan Worcester: You know, I think the, so talking about the speed at which appointments are moving through, On the one hand, in defense of the Senate, they did revise the rules to be able to consider many more of at least some nominees at the same time through what's known as the on-block process.
[89:41] Nathan Worcester: So as that is happening, though, when it comes to these nominees for district court, for U.
[89:52] Nathan Worcester: there's a tradition in the Senate where home state senators can actually approve or disapprove of the person, which can mean that their appointments are temporary.
[90:00] Nathan Worcester: And this is one of the things that, in the case of Alina Haba, she was the nominee from Trump to be U.
[90:07] Nathan Worcester: attorney for the District of New Jersey, ends up having to resign because, unsurprisingly, two blue state senators there, Cory Booker and Annie Kim, they both ended up declining to return their blue slip.
[90:18] Nathan Worcester: And so she complained when she explained that she was no longer able to continue doing what she was doing, that the blue slip is an obstacle.
[90:31] Nathan Worcester: He said, you know, there's multiple people who are going to be affected by this or who have been affected by this.
[90:38] Nathan Worcester: The really key player here is the Judiciary Committee chairman, a man named Chuck Grassley from Iowa.
[90:46] Nathan Worcester: He's sort of a very longstanding fellow in the Senate and someone who on other issues, I think, again, in fairness, he's someone who, for example, was key to releasing details of the recent Arctic frost probe.
[91:00] Nathan Worcester: He's been in the president's corner on many issues, but he has declined to change this tradition.
[91:07] Nathan Worcester: the Senate Majority Leader John Thune has said this needs to be retained, or at the very least this is not something that shows any real signs of changing.
[91:18] Nathan Worcester: So we can get into it in a little bit more detail, but broadly speaking it seems like, at least on this issue, Senate Republicans are not interested in changing what amounts fundamentally to more of a tradition than to something even as necessarily hard and fast as, for example, the rule that ended up being altered through the vote.
[91:44] Nathan Worcester: It can get a little technical, but basically, to be able to do the blocks of nominees that actually required a rule change that one could argue would be a little more radical than simply changing the tradition of the blue slip.
[91:57] Kim Monson: So, Brad Beck, your thoughts on this?
[92:00] Brad Beck: Well, you know, if you've ever been to Boston, they have the red line, And it takes you to all the historic, traditional places in Boston.
[92:10] Brad Beck: And we have a friend, Mike Williams, who will say every once in a while you've got to get off the red line.
[92:15] Brad Beck: You've got to look at the traditions and not destroy them, but look at alternatives and look at other neighborhoods, other places.
[92:23] Brad Beck: And I'm wondering on this particular entity, Nathan, if it's something that we as citizens need to put a little pressure on the Senate to say, get off that tradition because it's not moving things forward.
[92:38] Nathan Worcester: Yeah, I think fundamentally, I mean, there's always value to the Senate remaining a somewhat different institution than the House.
[92:47] Nathan Worcester: I think it was designed by the founders to be a little bit less responsive to the popular will, and there can be a bad side to that, but some would argue, well, perhaps this would be abused then by, you know, if there's a Democrat in the White House and Democrats in control of the Senate, they would then be able to take advantage of this.
[93:08] Nathan Worcester: Republicans might not like it if you had, you know, very liberal, very left-leaning people in these key judiciary branch posts.
[93:17] Nathan Worcester: But at the same time, yes, I mean, we've seen a willingness after, in the case of those nominees, it became clear that the sort of standard pace at which nominees are approved in the Senate, that Democrats were not interested in, even with non-controversial nominees, allowing them to get through.
[93:38] Nathan Worcester: They were playing, you might say they were playing for keeps in a way that for a long time, I think, Republicans in the Senate, they showed what one might describe as a great deal of patience.
[93:54] Nathan Worcester: And so that meant that for many months, nominees were moving very, very slowly.
[94:01] Nathan Worcester: There might be a case to be made here on the blue slip for the reasons you described.
[94:05] Nathan Worcester: I will say, you know, someone that I spoke to, Senator John Hoeven from North Dakota, he's someone who's, you know, in his personality, very moderate, very gentle guy, but someone who he said that he serves as an intermediary, that at least several days ago, I haven't spoken to him about this since, but he said several days ago he intended to talk to Grassley, Again, the judiciary chairman, who is interested in retaining the position, to try to find some middle path.
[94:39] Nathan Worcester: Is it possible, for example, to, on at least some of these nominations, modify the blue slip tradition?
[94:52] Nathan Worcester: We will see, because this is not the first time the blue slip issue keeps coming up.
[94:57] Nathan Worcester: So I suspect there's a possibility that the Senate could ultimately end up rethinking it, though with all the caveats that I mentioned.
[95:09] Nathan Worcester: Certainly I think if people are interested in seeing change on this, as with any other issue, it doesn't hurt to try to make that clear to your lawmaker, to your representative in the Senate.
[95:23] Nathan Worcester: But certainly, you know, Senators, Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, Tom Tillis of North Carolina, other people, particularly those on the Judiciary Committee, many of them do seem pretty committed to this tradition.
[95:37] Kim Monson: Okay, and they would probably be good to reach out to as well.
[95:40] Kim Monson: So, Nathan Wooster, we're just about out of time.
[95:43] Kim Monson: However, you just posted this today, that Speaker Johnson has a health care plan.
[95:54] Nathan Worcester: Well, you know, it's worth noting in all of this discussion about what the health care plan could look like, we have moving parts.
[96:05] Nathan Worcester: And so right now on the Republican side, you have to remember that there have been multiple discharge petitions from Republicans and Democrats that would bring about some sort of a health care plan, but that might also end up extending not for three full years, but for one or perhaps two years, those enhanced premium tax credits that I was speaking about.
[96:32] Kim Monson: So, hey, Nathan, before you move on, what is a discharge petition?
[96:38] Nathan Worcester: A discharge petition is something that basically is a way to try to advance a particular piece of legislation, to move it to the floor so that it can get a vote.
[96:49] Nathan Worcester: And so these discharge petitions, they have to get a certain number of signatures to actually make it to the floor for a vote.
[96:59] Nathan Worcester: But basically, they're a way to try to tell leadership, hey, this is something we want to see this get taken care of pretty quickly to at least get that vote.
[97:11] Nathan Worcester: So in this case, the plan is the Lower Health Care Premiums for All Act.
[97:19] Nathan Worcester: And so this is one that would specifically affect the association health plans.
[97:27] Nathan Worcester: This would be a means of essentially enabling some sort of at least partial solution to this health care issue.
[97:36] Nathan Worcester: But on the other hand, on the issue of those subsidies, it does not really by itself necessarily address this very, I would say, down to the wire issue.
[97:54] Nathan Worcester: It seems possible, and this is something I have not been able to get a good answer from many Democrats.
[98:00] Nathan Worcester: If something like this plan, the Meeks plan, the Lower Health Care Premium Stroll Act, if it ended up being paired with a phase down of the subsidies over a year or two, maybe that could make it through the Senate and the House.
[98:20] Nathan Worcester: There can be maneuvers taken to try to essentially extend the period allowed for people to be able to get on a subsidized version of a marketplace plan.
[98:32] Nathan Worcester: But, again, the logistics of that are still somewhat up in the air, the actual political reality a little hard to predict.
[98:44] Nathan Worcester: And the other plans, the ones that I mentioned that have discharge petitions associated with them, one of them is co-sponsored by Brian Fitzpatrick.
[98:55] Nathan Worcester: And I believe there's going to be a rules committee vote today.
[98:59] Nathan Worcester: This might end up being key to exactly what happens on that plan.
[99:04] Nathan Worcester: And this would be an amendment essentially by Fitzpatrick to extend the subsidies.
[99:10] Nathan Worcester: And then we've had also Josh Gottheimer, a Democrat from New Jersey, advancing his plan.
[99:17] Nathan Worcester: And that's another one where we're simply going to have to wait and see what exactly happens on his version of a bipartisan health care framework.
[99:32] Kim Monson: And the Lower Health Care Premium for All plan, that's Mike Johnston's?
[99:39] Nathan Worcester: It's Marionette Miller Meeks who has been the force behind it.
[99:49] Kim Monson: Not to be confused with Denver Mayor Mike Johnston.
[99:53] Kim Monson: Okay, Brad, do you have a final question?
[99:55] Brad Beck: Well, I was just curious because, you know, we've gotten into this mess through.
[100:01] Brad Beck: And, you know, as I look in my constitution, I'm wondering where it says that it's the government's job to provide health care, not to be nasty about it, but that's a personal responsibility.
[100:12] Brad Beck: I know we have folks out there that can't, or for whatever reason, have a tough time getting affordable health care.
[100:20] Brad Beck: But ultimately, it comes down to there should be, again, a separation of health care and the government?
[100:28] Nathan Worcester: I mean, we, you know, we come down, I think, first of all, to those fundamental questions.
[100:33] Nathan Worcester: And then one thing I'm just attentive to as a Capitol Hill reporter: we come down to the political realities and also just the realities of once you vote into existence, either as a voter direct leader.
[100:48] Nathan Worcester: In this case, you know, someone in the senator of the house wants to vote money into people's hands, in this case, for these subsidies, it can be very hard to pull the plug.
[100:58] Nathan Worcester: Um, this, this is how it often seems to be programs that are meant to be temporary if it's politically challenging to get rid of them, even if they end up with a lot of taxpayer money going to, in this case, subsidize insurance companies' plans so that people who have those plans feel less of the sting.
[101:18] Nathan Worcester: But then ultimately, you know, the taxpayer has to front that bill.
[101:29] Nathan Worcester: Worth keeping in mind that Republicans have what could be a challenging midterm come up, and so they might feel political pressure as well not to change things.
[101:36] Nathan Worcester: Certainly, Democrats are going to seek to run on this issue, to highlight this, especially as Republicans speak about affordability, they will say, well, this is a big burden on affordability, these rising premiums without anything there in place to shield people from those increases.
[101:53] Nathan Worcester: So, yeah, unfortunately, we do live in a United States where I think some of these constitutional questions about the use of force in relation to taxpayer money, they appear to have in practice has been solved by simply saying we're going to try to have our cake and eat it too.
[102:12] Nathan Worcester: We're going to just, you know, we're not going to get rid of any popular programs that cost a lot of money, but we're going to talk a lot about how responsible we are with money.
[102:21] Brad Beck: It's like being a voter in Chicago.
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[105:47] Kim Monson: Brad Beck, are you a football fan?
[105:52] Kim Monson: Because I guess the Broncos are doing well from what I hear.
[105:54] Brad Beck: They are, and they're on their way, hopefully, to win the Super Bowl if they keep going forward.
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[106:41] Kim Monson: She said the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, tomorrow they have a meeting to add more rules to the childhood immunization schedule.
[106:51] Kim Monson: This is more data that's now being used by the Academy of Pediatrics, which Pam Long, who's a frequent guest and author here at the show, has said that the American Academy of Pediatrics is decoupling itself from the CDC and they're pushing more vaccines.
[107:10] Kim Monson: I was going to try to find how these people did the deducing on the PUC that there's three commissioners and they are appointed by the governor.
[107:23] Kim Monson: I've got to figure out who's in control of the Colorado Department of Health and Public Health and Environment.
[107:31] Brad Beck: Well, there's just too many, quote, representatives or appointed bureaucrats to these different commissions.
[107:40] Brad Beck: And what I would find interesting is if people in their community would take up the goal of looking at who is the, one, their elected representative, but two, who are the people behind the scenes?
[107:58] Brad Beck: You know, who makes the rules?
[108:00] Brad Beck: What committees are in your community?
[108:02] Brad Beck: And just show up and listen to them or listen to them online.
[108:06] Brad Beck: and because they have to record it, open records, and see what's going on.
[108:13] Brad Beck: I mean, so much stuff happens because we're busy.
[108:17] Brad Beck: We're trying to take care of our businesses and our families, and the holidays are here.
[108:20] Brad Beck: But that's when they start moving stuff around when you're not looking.
[108:26] Kim Monson: And, okay, so December 17th, people are pretty busy.
[108:30] Kim Monson: And so I've got to do some more work here.
[108:33] Kim Monson: I'm over at the CDPHE and the commissioners, the co-chairs.
[108:37] Kim Monson: It says the commission consists of 24 members, 10 of whom are members of the community that represent, to the extent practical, Colorado's diverse ethnic, racial, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, aging population, socioeconomic, and geographic backgrounds.
[109:09] Kim Monson: We've got just a couple of minutes left.
[109:21] Kim Monson: So when Biden was in office, were all of his nominees confirmed at this time?
[109:29] Kim Monson: She said that to Kyleen, when the power was turned off in Loveland, they provided hotels for the folks that were impacted.
[109:37] Kim Monson: So maybe have Kyleen check that out.
[109:41] Kim Monson: And I appreciate the solution on that, Sandra, but the solution is important, but we've got to really address the problem, Brad.
[109:48] Brad Beck: Yeah, and I think that one of the things that we're at the mercy of is the electric company, XL, is taking precautions, which I appreciate they're concerned about it.
[110:02] Brad Beck: But the question comes up is, why are they doing it in the way they're doing it?
[110:07] Brad Beck: And why not put the money that some of the profits go back in the community to update infrastructure?
[110:13] Brad Beck: and instead of CYA, they are doing something that helps benefit their customers.
[110:19] Brad Beck: So when they do have a rate increase, we can say it's value for value.
[110:23] Brad Beck: It doesn't feel that way right now.
[110:25] Kim Monson: And again, how is it that other states that also have wind are not having to shut down power?
[110:31] Brad Beck: Well, they call the wind Mariah up there in Wyoming.
[110:37] Kim Monson: And I had reported that another important dot to connect is that Vanguard and BlackRock both have significant ownership in Xcel Energy.
[110:50] Kim Monson: And when I made comments to the PUC out in Albert County, I said that really your job is to be an overseer of Excel for us, we the people, and that they are to provide reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power to us.
[111:10] Kim Monson: But when, because of all of this, that land grabs become part of it, and then you can see, and that would return ROI, return on investment to the shareholders.
[111:21] Kim Monson: But when you add in this whole land grab, it changes things.
[111:26] Kim Monson: So I really encourage the commissioners to be on the right side of history and to deny this industrial transmission line in Elbert County.
[111:36] Brad Beck: Well, it's often been said, follow the money, and it'll often give you the answer that you're looking for.
[111:40] Brad Beck: But before we end the show, I just want to say, you do such a great thing for the community with this show, and I'm so grateful and appreciative for all the initiatives you take.
[111:51] Brad Beck: On behalf of all the listeners, this is just a resource that you don't get any other place.
[111:58] Kim Monson: Well, thank you, Brad, and you're a big part of this.
[112:01] Kim Monson: and you were my very first, the first time I gave up the microphone, it was you and the phone lines went down.
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