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[01:19] Kim Monson: and contemplating these ideas and conversing.
[01:22] Kim Monson: And we will be doing our next town hall with Harry Howry with Unite for Freedom next Tuesday.
[01:29] Kim Monson: That is the, let's see, what is that, the 16th?
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[01:41] Kim Monson: It's regarding the integrity of our elections.
[01:44] Kim Monson: And with what's just transpired out in California, we're realizing how important
[01:57] Kim Monson: And as you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[02:04] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[02:08] Kim Monson: And it's not compassionate, and it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhood, or lives via force.
[02:19] Kim Monson: Force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fees, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, legislation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, and you can see this playing out at the United Nations, but all the way down to municipal government and special districts.
[02:39] Kim Monson: Remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it.
[02:44] Kim Monson: And on the show, we focus on the issues.
[02:46] Kim Monson: We'll talk about the people behind those issues.
[02:49] Kim Monson: But we work to stay out of the political infighting that's kind of like being an eighth grade girl.
[02:55] Kim Monson: So we try to stay focused on the issues.
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[03:30] Kim Monson: And I am pleased to have in studio with me Greg Lopez, he a former congressman, as well as a candidate for governor as an independent.
[03:45] Greg Lopez: You know, there's a lot that I want to share today, this morning, but it's going well.
[03:49] Greg Lopez: You know, we're talking to a lot of people out there from all walks of life, from all different incomes, and they're sharing their frustration with me.
[03:57] Kim Monson: There's a lot going on, and we have your running mate for Lieutenant Governor, Tara Lynn Romero.
[04:09] Kim Monson: And when I was mentioning this about taking things via force, you had an experience, and the last time you were in, you said that this experience regarding your property in Jefferson County, share that line about your rose-colored glasses.
[04:25] Taralyn Romero: Well, they were punched right off my face, is what I like to say.
[04:31] Kim Monson: Because Jefferson County basically kind of wanted to take your land, right?
[04:36] Taralyn Romero: Yes, I was sued unconstitutionally in an attempt to take my property.
[04:41] Taralyn Romero: And 2022 is when that happened, so a couple years ago now.
[04:45] Kim Monson: Did you ever dream that you would be running for lieutenant governor here in Colorado?
[04:51] Taralyn Romero: In fact, I said I would never get into politics, but never say never.
[04:55] Taralyn Romero: And I did pray to God for something that would allow me to help people at scale who were suffering government overreach and injustice.
[05:03] Taralyn Romero: And here I am, you know, fighting for the good people of Colorado.
[05:06] Kim Monson: And Colorado is worth reclaiming, Carolyn.
[05:11] Kim Monson: So let's get into a couple of things that we do.
[05:14] Kim Monson: First of all, I wanted to mention Hooters Restaurants.
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[05:22] Kim Monson: And that is a story about free markets and capitalism.
[05:26] Kim Monson: and and freedom versus pbis those politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties that are trying to control our lives and uh so hooters restaurants has been a sponsor of the Kim Monson show and america's veteran stories for many many years and they have locations in loveland westminster and in aurora and probably a great place uh i to watch soccer uh i guess this is going to be a big deal greg lopez it is you know this is a
[05:56] Greg Lopez: This week, Thursday, is the soccer tournament, right, the World Cup.
[06:01] Greg Lopez: So there's a lot of excitement from a lot of different age groups about watching soccer.
[06:06] Greg Lopez: And, of course, we're all going to cheer for the Americans to make sure we win.
[06:11] Kim Monson: Yes, and I was at church on Sunday, and a whole bunch of –
[06:25] Kim Monson: So there's going to be a lot going on.
[06:27] Kim Monson: But Hooters restaurants will be a great place to watch all those games as well.
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[06:39] Kim Monson: It spells C-A-P-R-I-C-I-O-U-S, and it could be subject to or led by a vindicative of a sudden or unpredictable change as of one's mind or of the weather, whim, erratic, mercurial,
[06:55] Kim Monson: And again, let's see, it's spelled C-A-P-R-I-C-I-O-U-S.
[06:55] Kim Monson: And that is a definition from the Random House Webster's College Dictionary from 1991.
[07:06] Kim Monson: And I would highly recommend that you all have...
[07:09] Kim Monson: some hard copy dictionaries, antique dictionaries, so that we can actually know for sure what those words really meant.
[07:17] Kim Monson: And our quote of the day is from John Dickinson.
[07:20] Kim Monson: And I chose this because in the second hour, we'll talk with Rob Natelson, and he has written six pieces published in the Epoch Times regarding the Declaration and our founding.
[07:32] Kim Monson: And he talked about John Dickinson, who was very influential in
[07:42] Kim Monson: He was an American founding father, attorney,
[07:45] Kim Monson: a politician from Philadelphia and Wilmington, Delaware.
[07:49] Kim Monson: He was known as the penman of the revolution for his 12 letters from a farmer in Pennsylvania.
[07:55] Kim Monson: Published individually in 1767 and 1768.
[07:58] Kim Monson: And he also wrote the Liberty song in 1768.
[08:02] Kim Monson: He said this, he said, let these truths be indelibly impressed on our minds that we cannot be happy without being free, that we cannot be free,
[08:12] Kim Monson: without being secure in our property, that we cannot be secure in our property if without our consent others may, as by right, take it away.
[08:22] Kim Monson: The taxes imposed on us by Parliament do thus take it away.
[08:28] Kim Monson: And, Greg Lopez, I would say that this runaround in Colorado regarding renaming taxes as fees to get around TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, I think this quote speaks right to that.
[08:42] Greg Lopez: I think you're absolutely correct, Kim.
[08:43] Greg Lopez: You know, I mean, with the celebration of 250 years of our nation and you talk about the founding fathers and what they stood for, this idea that people could self-govern.
[08:56] Greg Lopez: And we're seeing again that government's overreach is just crushing the hopes and wills of the people.
[09:02] Greg Lopez: You know, as I go out there and travel and talk to people, they're so frustrated with government and the taxes that they're being raised.
[09:10] Greg Lopez: And they're saying, you know, the system no longer is working for us.
[09:14] Greg Lopez: And both sides are now saying we need something different.
[09:17] Greg Lopez: We really want a different voice because the system is broken.
[09:22] Greg Lopez: And I'm here to tell you that Taylor and I, we're going to fix the system.
[09:25] Greg Lopez: We're going to fix it so it works for the people once again.
[09:30] Kim Monson: Well, and Tara Lynn, I was just looking at some research.
[09:33] Kim Monson: 52.68% of Colorado voters are registered as independent.
[09:41] Kim Monson: And so you as running independents, there's a unique opportunity, I think, here in Colorado.
[09:48] Taralyn Romero: And as Greg and I have been out speaking with the public, the one thing that I have found to be true, regardless of race or, you know, community or neighborhood, really people all over Colorado, is they're saying we want more choice on the ballot.
[10:02] Taralyn Romero: So people are not thrilled about choices on the left or on the right.
[10:07] Kim Monson: Yes, I think people are frustrated with the Democrat Party.
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[13:49] Kim Monson: And check out the website for the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation as they are taking care of the U.S. MC Memorial out at 6th and Colfax and Golden, as well as raising money for the remodel.
[14:00] Kim Monson: And it is a great way to support our veterans and our military.
[14:04] Kim Monson: So make that contribution at usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
[14:08] Kim Monson: In studio with me is former Congressman Greg Lopez, candidate for governor here in Colorado.
[14:18] Kim Monson: And your running mate as lieutenant governor, Taralyn Romero.
[14:23] Kim Monson: Well, and we all know that education is so important.
[14:27] Kim Monson: And so we have on the line with us Priscilla Rahn.
[14:30] Kim Monson: She is the headmaster of a new school that is opening in Centennial this fall for kids kindergarten through third grade.
[14:40] Priscilla Rahn: Good morning, and you have one of my favorite people in the studio.
[14:53] Kim Monson: Okay, we've got just a little something here.
[14:57] Kim Monson: My friends, you would not believe what's going on with Joe here.
[15:01] Kim Monson: which that complicates life significantly when we have somebody on the line.
[15:09] Kim Monson: He's got headphones around his cell phone with that up to the microphone.
[15:14] Kim Monson: So hopefully we're going to get you loud enough, Priscilla, so we can hear you.
[15:17] Kim Monson: So Priscilla, how is things going regarding registration for Excalibur?
[15:24] Priscilla Rahn: So we are really working hard this summer to get to our goal of 50 students this fall.
[15:39] Priscilla Rahn: We are hoping to open with 50 students, kindergarten through third grade.
[15:43] Priscilla Rahn: And the amazing thing that we have offering is 100% scholarships.
[15:47] Priscilla Rahn: We are so grateful to have partnerships with grant funding organizations.
[15:54] Priscilla Rahn: from Daniel's Fund, and we have a great relationship with Ace Scholarships.
[15:57] Priscilla Rahn: We're looking forward to offering money through President Trump's big, beautiful bill, the education tax credits.
[16:09] Priscilla Rahn: Everything's going to be new at the school, a wonderful playground area.
[16:14] Priscilla Rahn: It's just a really exciting time to offer a classical, private, Christian education for parents to have a wonderful choice.
[16:24] Kim Monson: And for these legacy families, there are 100% scholarships available, which is a very big deal as well, Priscilla Rohn.
[16:35] Priscilla Rahn: And so this is the time to take advantage of it because we're going to be partnering with parents.
[16:44] Priscilla Rahn: We want parents to trust our school and the mentors and educators that are in our school and that they're going to receive a high quality, classical, comprehensive education.
[17:01] Kim Monson: So, Priscilla, Ron, what about technology?
[17:03] Kim Monson: I was in an elementary school several months ago, and I was a little disconcerted that it was, I think it was first grade, that the kids after lunch, they came in and they had iPad time.
[17:21] Kim Monson: And I was a little uncomfortable with that.
[17:24] Kim Monson: What's your thoughts on something like that?
[17:27] Priscilla Rahn: So our school is going to have no to very low technology.
[17:45] Priscilla Rahn: learn how to tell time they'll be writing cursive all of the things that we used to have access to in our public education and i can tell you after 32 years of being in public education and seeing the push to put computers and chromebooks in the hands of students these these children are very smart they're getting around firewalls and they're getting into websites that they really shouldn't be
[18:14] Priscilla Rahn: And so I personally think putting technology in the hands of kids too young is not a good idea, and they're not accessing education in the way they need to.
[18:25] Priscilla Rahn: So we at Excalibur will have no to very low technology.
[18:30] Priscilla Rahn: When I say very low, I mean our teachers will have computers and they will have dock cameras, but that's pretty much the extent.
[18:39] Kim Monson: Okay, and so get in on the ground floor.
[18:43] Kim Monson: I would recommend people talk to their children about their grandchildren, community members about those neighbors.
[18:52] Kim Monson: How can people get more information about Excalibur?
[18:55] Kim Monson: And that's spelled E-X-C-A-L-I-B-U-R, Excalibur Classical Academy.
[19:00] Priscilla Rahn: Please go to our website, ExcaliburClassicalAcademy.org.
[19:10] Priscilla Rahn: We have information sessions scheduled between now and the start of school.
[19:14] Priscilla Rahn: And one thing I also want to plug, we have a wonderful Father's Day Top Golf event on Sunday, June 21st from 1230 to 2.
[19:27] Priscilla Rahn: We want dads and families to come out and enjoy Father's Day hosted by Excalibur Classical Academy.
[19:40] Kim Monson: Headmaster Priscilla Rahn, we will talk with you next week.
[19:46] Kim Monson: And, Joe, thank you for your creativity in trying to make all this work with the phone lines down.
[19:57] Kim Monson: And, Greg Lopez, we had this come in on our text line.
[20:02] Kim Monson: And you said that when people are looking for something different, I think we have that different.
[20:08] Kim Monson: And that different is the American idea, yes?
[20:11] Greg Lopez: You know, when you think about what America stands for and government and the way of life, right, the American dream.
[20:18] Greg Lopez: And right now people are feeling like that American dream is being yanked away from them because of the government overreach.
[20:26] Greg Lopez: And like Terrilyn said, we've been out, Kim, in car shows.
[20:31] Greg Lopez: We are all over talking to the people on the front lines.
[20:36] Greg Lopez: And they're sharing with us that, you know what, we want a change here in Colorado.
[20:40] Greg Lopez: We no longer have faith in either party.
[20:47] Greg Lopez: And everybody, what's interesting, Kim,
[20:49] Greg Lopez: Everybody mentions the debates that they saw on Channel 9.
[20:52] Greg Lopez: And everybody says on both sides, we're not excited about our candidates.
[20:57] Greg Lopez: We don't like the quality of the candidates that are being put forward.
[21:03] Greg Lopez: And they're signing our petitions to get us onto the ballot.
[21:06] Greg Lopez: And I will tell everyone, your signature on our petition will definitely be able to give you a sense that there's an opportunity to bring Colorado back to make it a state that we can all be proud of.
[21:18] Kim Monson: Well, and I've thought a lot about this.
[21:22] Kim Monson: First of all, the Democrat Party is no longer the Democrat Party of JFK or your grandma.
[21:30] Kim Monson: Tara Lynn, this Democrat Party has been hijacked by radical activists.
[21:36] Taralyn Romero: You know, I do think that's true to a degree and certainly generally.
[21:40] Taralyn Romero: You know, I never want to group a whole entirety of people and say they're all bad.
[21:49] Taralyn Romero: But when we look at what's happened with, what is it, almost a decade of Democratic reign here in Colorado?
[21:55] Taralyn Romero: You know, we have some really major issues, and the primary issue is affordability.
[22:03] Taralyn Romero: They keep adding more and more every single year with no way to pay for it.
[22:07] Taralyn Romero: And so now, of course, they're looking to take more of Coloradans' money, looking to take more money out of hardworking people instead of putting it back.
[22:15] Kim Monson: Well, and I appreciate your perspective.
[22:17] Kim Monson: And that's why I'm trying to say that there's this pocket of radical activists that are controlling this Democrat Party.
[22:26] Kim Monson: So just voting Democrat is how we've gotten to where we are right now.
[22:34] Kim Monson: I think, Greg Lopez, they've had help from Republicans as well.
[22:38] Greg Lopez: You know, when you look at it, at government in its totality, right, you see that there's agendas.
[22:44] Greg Lopez: And these agendas are coming together.
[22:46] Greg Lopez: And really the agenda is no longer about the people.
[22:50] Greg Lopez: It's about who's going to score the most political points.
[22:53] Greg Lopez: And so they push, they call each other names, they distract, but they never focus on the struggles of everyday Coloradans
[23:03] Greg Lopez: The struggles that they talk about at the kitchen table, the struggles that they talk about, the electric bills going up, their gas bills going up.
[23:11] Greg Lopez: And every year, Kim, if listeners don't understand this, every year the legislature passes over 600 bills.
[23:20] Greg Lopez: And each one of these bills has a fiscal note on it.
[23:25] Kim Monson: Actually, there's a few without them, but most all of them have them.
[23:28] Greg Lopez: And it's time for us to roll that back.
[23:30] Greg Lopez: We've got to get more money into the pockets of the hardworking men and women here in Colorado.
[23:35] Kim Monson: Well, and the way to do that is to lower taxes, lower fees, lower regulations.
[23:40] Kim Monson: So, Tara Lynn, I'm a little company.
[23:46] Kim Monson: We named that years ago because we think we need to have a conversation.
[23:50] Kim Monson: And I just had to renew my license with the Secretary of State.
[23:55] Kim Monson: And it seems to me like last year it was $10.
[24:01] Kim Monson: So when they're talking about affordability, and this is taking our property.
[24:07] Kim Monson: I have to pay more of my property to get this license.
[24:12] Kim Monson: And I'm not even sure why I need to have it.
[24:17] Kim Monson: But I thought that was pretty, you know, it's two and a half times more what I had paid.
[24:26] Taralyn Romero: I like to say that they're nickel and diming us to death.
[24:35] Taralyn Romero: And, you know, if you're a homeowner, you got property taxes going up.
[24:43] Taralyn Romero: The cost to live here in Colorado is absolutely outrageous.
[24:53] Taralyn Romero: And a lot of people say, well, it's really beautiful in Colorado, so that's why it's expensive.
[25:02] Kim Monson: Well, and Tara Lynn, as beautiful as Colorado is, I remember when I moved here, I was just so excited.
[25:08] Kim Monson: But I drove out to Golden yesterday for the Colorado Union of Taxpayers board meeting.
[25:15] Kim Monson: C-470 in spots is like third world roads.
[25:22] Taralyn Romero: I hit a huge pothole actually coming over here on the highway.
[25:30] Taralyn Romero: So, you know, if it falls apart, I think that's just its time.
[25:33] Taralyn Romero: But it is, you know, it's really frustrating when you see these potholes that are out there.
[25:40] Taralyn Romero: For people who are commuting every single day to work, that does take a toll.
[25:44] Kim Monson: Well, and this freedom of mobility to be able to have a vehicle so that you have the freedom to not have to have a job right by a light rail station.
[25:53] Kim Monson: This freedom, and Joe and I have talked about this, the freedom of mobility so that you can actually have opportunities within your employment.
[26:03] Producer Joe: I mean, I can't make it here on an RTD bus.
[26:06] Producer Joe: I'm in Westminster, so it's a 35-minute drive.
[26:16] Kim Monson: So if you were to take RTD to get to your job, you might need to leave on Monday and you can go back on Friday.
[26:25] Producer Joe: I might start living at the office instead then.
[26:29] Kim Monson: So we're going to continue the discussion.
[26:31] Kim Monson: There's a lot of headlines out here as well that I want to go through with Greg Lopez and Terrilyn Romero.
[26:38] Kim Monson: Greg, how can people get more information about your campaigns?
[26:41] Greg Lopez: You know, they can go to our website, greglopez.co.
[26:49] Greg Lopez: You know, we're going to be in the Parker Country Festival this weekend, so if they want to come out and have a conversation with us, we're going to be there.
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[29:53] Kim Monson: I mentioned I was headed out to Golden yesterday for the Colorado Union of Taxpayers board meeting.
[30:06] Kim Monson: And what a group of people this is.
[30:08] Kim Monson: We are celebrating our 50th birthday this year.
[30:12] Kim Monson: All volunteers watching legislation.
[30:15] Kim Monson: And when you see these folks, say thank you to Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner,
[30:22] Kim Monson: Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Janssen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard.
[30:28] Kim Monson: And we are working diligently on our ratings report.
[30:35] Kim Monson: He is a former congressman and candidate for governor.
[30:41] Kim Monson: And your running mate, Tara Lynn Romero, running for lieutenant governor.
[30:47] Kim Monson: So, Greg, you mentioned this legislature, and this last legislative session, 714 bills or resolutions were proposed.
[31:02] Kim Monson: And so CUT took a position on 178 of those.
[31:08] Kim Monson: This group that I just gave you the names of gave up their weekends to do this.
[31:14] Kim Monson: And so we are now working on our ratings report, which is a monumental piece of work.
[31:20] Kim Monson: And I hope to have that out here within the next couple of weeks.
[31:24] Kim Monson: And what that does is it goes through...
[31:26] Kim Monson: and it rates all of the legislators and how they voted on the bills that we took positions on.
[31:34] Kim Monson: And our criteria is how does this legislation affect the taxpayer, which is all of us, TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, property rights, and parental rights.
[31:48] Kim Monson: And so we are working diligently on that, and we'll be publishing that.
[31:52] Kim Monson: But 178 bills is a monumental piece of work.
[31:56] Kim Monson: And, Tara Lynn, many times people say to us, are you effective?
[32:01] Kim Monson: And it feels sometimes like we're pushing a boulder up a hill with this agenda that we're seeing at the legislature.
[32:10] Kim Monson: But I went through 42 of the really bad bills that we took no positions on.
[32:17] Kim Monson: And I think that that means that we are making some progress.
[32:25] Taralyn Romero: And I think it's really difficult when we have a self-serving legislature that believes that more is better, right?
[32:34] Taralyn Romero: So I think we see all these bills being pushed through.
[32:37] Taralyn Romero: And organizations like the one that you mentioned, I think can be really helpful in having an influence.
[32:48] Kim Monson: So, Greg, I've been thinking about this legislature.
[32:52] Kim Monson: And, of course, there's Senate seats and House of Representatives seats up for election.
[32:58] Kim Monson: And the Democrats are within a razor-thin margin of having a supermajority, which would mean that they could override any governor's veto.
[33:11] Kim Monson: But then I realized the governor appoints positions for over 3000 bureaucrats.
[33:19] Kim Monson: And in particular, I was thinking the public utilities commission that has been running havoc on property rights.
[33:28] Kim Monson: They are doing the bidding of this governor.
[33:32] Kim Monson: But even with a if and I don't think it's going to get to that because there's a lot of really good people stepping forward to run.
[33:40] Kim Monson: But even with that, as governor, you could replace all of these bureaucrats.
[33:48] Greg Lopez: Governor Polis governed with a heavy hand, a very heavy hand.
[33:53] Greg Lopez: He made sure that all his appointees would follow his directive.
[33:58] Greg Lopez: They don't longer have their own voice.
[34:02] Greg Lopez: And so it's time for people to recognize that.
[34:05] Greg Lopez: Here in Colorado, for the last eight years, we've been under a governor that really wants his agenda, his agenda.
[34:16] Greg Lopez: It was under his vision that we have a state that we have today.
[34:21] Greg Lopez: And everybody's struggling with this, both sides of the equation.
[34:24] Greg Lopez: And I want people to understand that in the legislature, all these bills that you're talking about, Kim,
[34:29] Greg Lopez: When you go to the legislature to testify, you'll be shocked that the elected officials are not interested in your voice.
[34:39] Greg Lopez: They're not paying attention because they already know exactly how they're going to vote.
[34:45] Greg Lopez: And they're just going through the show.
[34:47] Greg Lopez: They just if they didn't have to be there to listen to the public, they wouldn't be there.
[34:52] Greg Lopez: And so this is why it's so important for people to understand.
[34:56] Greg Lopez: In our founding fathers, here in Colorado, if you want to have a state that actually works, we must have one party control the House and another party control the Senate.
[35:09] Greg Lopez: Let's have some real discussions about these legislation and laws to make sure that there is a better way to make laws here in Colorado.
[35:18] Kim Monson: Well, and I think one of the things, first and foremost, and I learned this when I was on city council, is we really need to have the Declaration of Independence as our North Star.
[35:29] Kim Monson: And what that means in that is all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
[35:36] Kim Monson: And so when government starts to put people in groups and treat different groups differently and tax different groups differently, that's antithetical to the Declaration of Independence, Tara Lynn.
[35:56] Kim Monson: Let's talk a little bit about on the Democrat side.
[36:00] Kim Monson: And there seems to be a fight going on, if you will.
[36:08] Kim Monson: which he, let's see, he was born, well, I think that he's not really a Coloradan.
[36:18] Kim Monson: I think he was kind of brought in, and I have seen this actually happen where there have been,
[36:26] Kim Monson: People that have moved to Colorado on the Democrat Party propped up.
[36:29] Kim Monson: And next thing you know, they're at some of these high offices.
[36:32] Kim Monson: He's currently the attorney general.
[36:34] Kim Monson: He attended the New York University School of Law.
[36:37] Kim Monson: And he was the editor for the New York University Law Review.
[36:41] Kim Monson: And so he is one of the candidates.
[36:47] Kim Monson: And from what I can see, all he's got, what he's running on is get Trump, got Trump.
[36:53] Greg Lopez: That is the platform right now that's here in Colorado with the Democrat Party.
[36:58] Greg Lopez: They're not ever talking about the struggles of everyday Coloradans.
[37:02] Greg Lopez: You know, I've been going, Kim, to their debates and sitting in the audience.
[37:07] Greg Lopez: Now, I know both Senator Michael Bennett and Attorney General Phil Weiser.
[37:12] Greg Lopez: And they are very surprised that I'm in the room because they know I'm paying attention.
[37:17] Greg Lopez: And when I hear their vision of the state, it is more of the same.
[37:21] Greg Lopez: I'm telling the people of Colorado, if a Democrat gets elected again, it's going to be meet the new boss, same as the old boss, maybe even worse than the old boss.
[37:32] Greg Lopez: And we're going to continue to struggle as a state.
[37:35] Greg Lopez: And so it is time for the people to evaluate themselves.
[37:39] Greg Lopez: What type of character do we want at the governor's office?
[37:43] Greg Lopez: Do we want someone that does not know how to connect with everyday Coloradans, those hardworking people that get up every morning and have to drive these terrible roads, that they have to wonder, can I really make it next month with all the taxes and everything that I have to pay?
[38:00] Greg Lopez: Or are they gonna look for a team, a ticket,
[38:03] Greg Lopez: With Lopez and Romero that says, you know, we care about the people and we're not going to play politics.
[38:11] Kim Monson: Well, and over on the Republican side.
[38:13] Kim Monson: What I see and I really I've had people say, hey, would you talk about this candidate?
[38:22] Kim Monson: Would you talk about this candidate?
[38:24] Kim Monson: And again, when I say that, we try to.
[38:28] Kim Monson: Uh, so what I see that I think happened is I think there's a bit of a uniparty that, that kind of works together.
[38:35] Kim Monson: And I, I think that Victor Marks was brought in to split the evangelical vote to box Scott Bottoms off of the ballot, uh,
[38:47] Kim Monson: I think that they figured you were running as a Republican, and somehow they would box you out to have Barbara Kirkmeyer be the Republican candidate.
[38:58] Kim Monson: Now, that's just from me watching what I think is happening.
[39:02] Kim Monson: So I see the next thing since at the end of the year when you change your affiliation to independent.
[39:10] Kim Monson: I think this petition gathering, this signature gathering thing, that is a spot that will be –
[39:18] Kim Monson: The vulnerability, because the Secretary of State will have to verify these signatures.
[39:24] Kim Monson: You're in the process of getting them right now.
[39:26] Kim Monson: So I see there's a vulnerability as far as making sure that your signatures are valid, you have enough.
[39:34] Greg Lopez: Well, I will tell you, you're absolutely correct.
[39:37] Greg Lopez: One of the things that people forget, when I ran in 2022, the Democrat Party spent over $2 million against me in the primary because they didn't want me to go to the general.
[39:49] Greg Lopez: So I took that opportunity away from them by going on the petition route and going to the November election.
[39:56] Greg Lopez: You know, we were very careful on the signatures that we're gathering and making sure that they're validated correctly.
[40:05] Greg Lopez: We know how the Secretary of State's office works.
[40:08] Greg Lopez: But at the end of the day, we're going to be confident that we are going to get onto the ballot.
[40:12] Greg Lopez: We are watching on all the rules and regulations.
[40:15] Greg Lopez: And so should there be any type of shenanigans, we'll address it.
[40:19] Greg Lopez: But that will keep us off the ballot.
[40:21] Greg Lopez: But at the end of the day, people need to know that right now the system is not allowing good individuals to feel like they can actually run
[40:31] Greg Lopez: for office and have a fair opportunity to get elected.
[40:36] Kim Monson: Well, and we have to have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections.
[40:39] Kim Monson: Carolyn Romero, you will be out, the team will be out at Parker Days this weekend, so talk to me about that, and can people sign the petitions there?
[40:49] Taralyn Romero: And look, we're going to be there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
[40:52] Taralyn Romero: There are exciting things going on each and every day.
[40:55] Taralyn Romero: We're going to have as many volunteers there as possible.
[40:58] Taralyn Romero: As Greg said earlier, if you want to come chat with us, you want to share a concern, you want to ask a question, you want to better understand the process, we will be there, both he and I and a team of ours.
[41:14] Kim Monson: And contributions are really appreciated as well, right?
[41:20] Taralyn Romero: It is hard to ask for money in the economic situation that we find ourselves in here in Colorado.
[41:28] Taralyn Romero: Like any other campaign, we are trying to raise money, and it can go a long way.
[41:32] Kim Monson: Okay, and what's that website, Greg?
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[44:49] Kim Monson: In studio with me is Greg Lopez, former congressman and candidate for governor here in Colorado.
[45:02] Kim Monson: And your running mate, Tara Lynn Romero, who said she would never run for public office.
[45:07] Kim Monson: And here she is running for lieutenant governor.
[45:14] Kim Monson: OK, Greg Lopez, you are running as an independent and there are people who I dearly love.
[45:21] Kim Monson: They've said, I like Greg, but he's a spoiler.
[45:25] Greg Lopez: Well, you know, it's interesting because I found that as I go out there and talk to people.
[45:31] Greg Lopez: Those that are very staunch in their political ideology truly believe that the voters' vote belongs to their tent, and they no longer are looking for character in the candidates.
[45:44] Greg Lopez: And it reminds me, I want to read something, the Declaration of Independence.
[45:50] Greg Lopez: When the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands—
[45:58] Greg Lopez: To dissolve the political bands, people today need to understand that your vote belongs to you.
[46:06] Greg Lopez: You must ascertain as a people who do you believe is going to take this state in the right direction and improve the quality of life of all six million residents here in Colorado.
[46:19] Greg Lopez: So I think people in this time are needing to evaluate, do I stay with my tent knowing that it's not doing well for me and my family?
[46:28] Greg Lopez: Or do I look outside the tent and see what type of leadership can make Colorado a state that we can all be proud of?
[46:37] Kim Monson: Well, and this is coming in on the text line, and I'll change this around just a little bit of this.
[46:46] Kim Monson: I call them Democrats, not Democratic.
[46:57] Kim Monson: You're familiar with this transmission line in Elbert County, which I am concerned about.
[47:04] Kim Monson: The PUC, appointed by the governor, has basically given Xcel the power of eminent domain to take property for this industrial transmission line.
[47:18] Kim Monson: We also see it happening sometimes with industrial solar plants.
[47:21] Kim Monson: projects as well as industrial wind.
[47:24] Kim Monson: What do you think about eminent domain?
[47:28] Greg Lopez: When government says, I believe your property is more valuable than you owning it because it belongs to the public, then we really don't have property rights.
[47:40] Greg Lopez: We no longer have the ability to feel that we can create our own happiness, our own prosperity, because government, if they can come in and take land away from you,
[47:51] Greg Lopez: They can take anything away from you.
[47:53] Greg Lopez: And so people need to stand tall and say, no, you know what?
[47:59] Greg Lopez: Xcel Energy is a private company, and then you have the government saying, we're going to give you the authority to take away private land so that you can make more money, so that you can make more revenues.
[48:15] Greg Lopez: You know, if truly, if Xcel Energy cared about the state of Colorado, they would move the line closer away from the rural Colorado and figure out how they're going to pay for it.
[48:28] Kim Monson: Well, how they're going to pay for it is they're going to charge the rate payer for this.
[48:33] Kim Monson: The next question is, what's your plan to win?
[48:40] Greg Lopez: You know, what people are looking for right now, Kim, is they want to know that their leadership, the governor and lieutenant governor,
[48:47] Greg Lopez: truly understands who they are and understands the challenges that they face.
[48:52] Greg Lopez: Terlan and I are keeping our hand on the pulse of the state.
[48:57] Greg Lopez: We talk to all groups and organizations, all different income levels, all different professionals, and they all say the same thing.
[49:07] Greg Lopez: We want Colorado, the one that we remember 10 years ago,
[49:11] Greg Lopez: You know, the growth is definitely not helping us at all.
[49:15] Greg Lopez: And so what we're doing is we're bringing back the voice of the people and we don't have to play politics.
[49:24] Greg Lopez: We don't need to worry about what the Republicans think or the Democrats think.
[49:28] Greg Lopez: We're going to focus on making sure that the decisions that we're making are in the better interest of everybody here in the state.
[49:35] Kim Monson: Well, and Tara Lynn, this is your first time to run for office.
[49:39] Kim Monson: And there are maybe those that say, well, she doesn't have political experience.
[49:46] Kim Monson: In all these years, what I have learned is when somebody is running for office and they said, I didn't really want to do this, that's kind of the spirit of the founding.
[49:56] Kim Monson: Because they didn't really want to declare their independence from Britain.
[50:06] Kim Monson: And so I kind of take it as a positive if you don't have all that political experience.
[50:15] Taralyn Romero: And what I do want to remind folks of is that for the last 25 years, I worked my way up from the bottom all the way to an executive-level position in the most complex industry in the country, which is health care.
[50:32] Taralyn Romero: I have managed billion-dollar projects, all while making trade-off decisions that balanced fiscal responsibility with the impact on people,
[50:41] Taralyn Romero: whether it's people with cancer or diabetes or MSK or some sort of rare disease.
[50:46] Taralyn Romero: And that is exactly the type of leadership that we need here is someone who's going to say, yeah, we do have to make some tough decisions, but we need to make sure that we put people first and act responsibly.
[50:55] Kim Monson: And that people first is making sure that people have more of their money, their property in their pocket.
[51:04] Kim Monson: How have you looked at Democrat, Republican, Independent?
[51:08] Kim Monson: What are those percentages that you need to hit to win?
[51:11] Greg Lopez: You know, a lot of people don't understand, Kim, that here in Colorado, around 52% of the active voters are independent.
[51:20] Greg Lopez: And 25% are Democrat and 23% are Republican.
[51:25] Greg Lopez: The major parties now here in Colorado are minor parties.
[51:33] Greg Lopez: And so our numbers show that we will get 40% of the independent voters of that voting block.
[51:41] Greg Lopez: We'll get 30% of the voting block of the Democrats.
[51:44] Greg Lopez: and 20% of the voting block are the Republicans.
[51:51] Greg Lopez: We're not going to win by a huge margin.
[51:54] Greg Lopez: 90,000 votes is what we're looking at.
[52:04] Greg Lopez: We will get elected as the next governor and lieutenant governor for the state.
[52:09] Kim Monson: And so the thing right now is the petition gathering.
[52:12] Kim Monson: Tara Lynn, how can people sign the petition?
[52:17] Taralyn Romero: So as Greg mentioned earlier, they do not make it easy for regular folks to get on the ballot.
[52:23] Taralyn Romero: I mean, ultimately, in 2026, we should probably have an electronic method.
[52:28] Taralyn Romero: So if people would like to sign our petition, this weekend is a big weekend, guys.
[52:37] Taralyn Romero: If you are on Facebook, give Greg Lopez and myself, Tara Lynn for Colorado, a follow.
[52:46] Kim Monson: And so your final thought on all this, Tara Lynn?
[52:49] Taralyn Romero: Yeah, my final thought would be to remind folks that in George Washington's farewell address, he warned of the spirit of party.
[52:58] Taralyn Romero: When we say the Pledge of Allegiance, we say a nation indivisible.
[53:06] Taralyn Romero: for the future generations of americans that we would not let ourselves be divided by party and it seems that in this day and age we have become so brainwashed by the idea that it has to be a republican or it has to be a democrat and that an independent can never win and i'm sorry but it was never supposed to be this way we are supposed to have freedom of choice we are supposed to have a government run by the people and for the people
[53:34] Greg Lopez: You know, I think this election cycle is going to be vital for the future of this state.
[53:39] Greg Lopez: And I encourage people, look at these candidates.
[53:43] Greg Lopez: Look at what's going on here in the state.
[53:44] Greg Lopez: Evaluate, where do you want the state of Colorado to go?
[53:47] Greg Lopez: And yes, you know, you need to have a third choice.
[53:51] Greg Lopez: You need to have a third voice so that you can see the totality of the different visions.
[53:56] Greg Lopez: in the different ways that government can work.
[54:00] Greg Lopez: You know, Kim, and one of the things that I will tell you is that what I find interesting is we talk about the Constitution and the First Amendment, and yet sometimes when we are out there gathering signatures, we're told we can't stand on the sidewalk.
[54:15] Greg Lopez: And it's like, wow, this is really interesting that all we're doing is trying to have a conversation
[54:20] Greg Lopez: with our fellow citizens and just ask them a simple question.
[54:27] Greg Lopez: And we're told you can't do this in front of our store.
[54:30] Greg Lopez: You can't do this because we don't like the politics.
[54:34] Greg Lopez: We're just trying to have a conversation with our fellow citizens.
[54:42] Greg Lopez: Help us reignite that democracy, that way of making America different from all the other nations.
[54:56] Kim Monson: So Greg Lopez, Tara Lynn Romero, great having you here.
[54:58] Kim Monson: Our quote for the end of the show is from John Dickinson.
[55:00] Kim Monson: He said, "...honor, justice, and humanity call upon us to hold and to transmit to our posterity that liberty which we received from our ancestors.
[55:10] Kim Monson: It is not our duty to leave wealth to our children, but it is our duty to leave liberty to them."
[55:15] Kim Monson: So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[56:03] Kim Monson: That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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[56:23] Kim Monson: Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
[56:28] Show intro montage announcer: Is it freedom or is it force?
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[56:35] Kim Monson: And welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show.
[56:39] Kim Monson: You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose.
[56:43] Kim Monson: Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body.
[56:46] Kim Monson: My friends, we were made for this moment in history.
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[56:55] Kim Monson: Producer Joe is doing amazing work here.
[56:58] Kim Monson: I don't quite know how this happens.
[57:17] Kim Monson: For our guests, we'll be talking with Jon Boesen and Rob Natelson.
[57:22] Kim Monson: And I really appreciate Joe's creativity under duress here, I would say.
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[57:34] Kim Monson: We will be having our next town hall with Harry Howry with Unite for Freedom.
[57:40] Kim Monson: in the evening talking about the election's integrity throughout our country.
[57:48] Kim Monson: And it'll be interactive, so join us at the community.
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[57:57] Kim Monson: As you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[58:05] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[58:08] Kim Monson: On the show, we focus on the issues.
[58:10] Kim Monson: We'll talk about the people behind those issues, work to stay out of the personality fighting that happens out there.
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[59:38] Kim Monson: And our word of the day is capricious.
[59:43] Kim Monson: First definition could be subject to or led by a vindicative or of a sudden or unpredictable change as changing one's mind.
[59:56] Kim Monson: Could be the weather, whim, erratic, mercurial.
[60:02] Kim Monson: And in politics, they say that things should not be capricious, which could be sudden and unpredictable.
[60:14] Kim Monson: And so your challenge will be to use the word capricious in a sentence today.
[60:19] Kim Monson: Our quote of the day, I went to John Dickinson, born in 1732, died in 1808.
[60:23] Kim Monson: He was an American founding father, attorney, and politician from Philadelphia.
[60:28] Kim Monson: He was known as the penman of the revolution for his 12 letters from a farmer in Pennsylvania, published in 1767 and 1768.
[60:37] Kim Monson: He also wrote the Liberty Song in 1768.
[60:42] Kim Monson: He said, let these truths be indelibly impressed on our minds that we cannot be happy with
[60:49] Kim Monson: That we cannot be free without being secure in our property.
[60:53] Kim Monson: That we cannot be secure in our property if, without our consent, others may, as by right, take it away.
[61:00] Kim Monson: The taxes imposed on us by Parliament do thus take it away.
[61:05] Kim Monson: Or I might say, thus taxes and fees imposed on us by the Colorado State Legislature, county governments,
[61:12] Kim Monson: municipal governments, school districts take this away.
[61:19] Kim Monson: And so John Dickinson knew this all these many years ago.
[61:22] Kim Monson: We are attempting to make all of this work with our listeners.
[61:28] Kim Monson: I'm hoping we have Jon Boesen on the line because our phone lines are down and Joe is trying to do these MacGyver workarounds.
[61:47] Kim Monson: I think we're going to get you a little bit closer to the microphone and maybe move that Kleenex there too.
[61:56] Kim Monson: Okay, John, let's give this a whirl and see if we can make this happen.
[62:00] Kim Monson: What do you want to talk about today?
[62:03] Jon Boesen: Well, yeah, I'm glad we're doing this via cell phone.
[62:08] Jon Boesen: um i want to talk about just very briefly you know what makes a viable personal injury claim because i get folks call me with crazy stuff um the most notable and i've told this story in the past is a lady that called me that wanted to sue someone because the deer hit didn't cross where they put up the deer crossing sign and sometimes i have to explain to folks um
[62:37] Jon Boesen: What a viable claim is, and I'll keep this very simple.
[62:42] Jon Boesen: A viable claim requires three things.
[62:45] Jon Boesen: It's viability, that someone did something or didn't do something.
[62:51] Jon Boesen: We've got a finger to point at someone for the accident that was caused that harmed someone.
[62:57] Jon Boesen: In a motor vehicle collision case, somebody goes through a stop sign.
[63:03] Jon Boesen: Somebody changes lanes into your lane.
[63:08] Jon Boesen: First and foremost, if you don't have a claim.
[63:11] Jon Boesen: So if you cause an accident yourself, don't call me.
[63:16] Jon Boesen: There's got to be someone that caused the accident.
[63:25] Jon Boesen: Sometimes I can get folks calling me and I ask them, well, were you injured?
[63:29] Jon Boesen: Were you hurt in some way, shape, or form?
[63:33] Jon Boesen: If you don't have injuries, you don't have damages, you don't have a claim to pursue.
[63:38] Jon Boesen: The last very simple thing is just if you were injured, are your injuries due to the accident that was caused by someone?
[63:47] Jon Boesen: Because if you don't have that, you don't have it.
[63:50] Jon Boesen: And sometimes people have things, pre-existing injuries.
[63:55] Jon Boesen: Weren't injured in the accident, but they were already hurt.
[63:57] Jon Boesen: Well, if you're already hurt, it's not due to the accident.
[64:03] Jon Boesen: So very simply, for a claim that you're going to benefit by having representation, you've got to have liability.
[64:11] Jon Boesen: If someone did something or didn't do something that caused your harm, you've got to have injuries or damages, and they need to be related to or caused by the accident that occurred.
[64:23] Jon Boesen: And that's just a little educational piece for folks out there.
[64:29] Jon Boesen: It's the side that gives me those phone calls.
[64:33] Kim Monson: And if people meet that criteria, they should give you a call at Boesen Law.
[64:46] Jon Boesen: And folks listening out there, push people.
[64:47] Jon Boesen: If you know someone, have them call 303-999-9999.
[64:54] Kim Monson: Again, that's Jon Boesen with Boesen Law, 303-999-9999.
[64:59] Kim Monson: Jon Boesen, we'll talk with you next week.
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[68:50] Kim Monson: And we're having some technical difficulties, so we're kind of running around a little bit here.
[68:55] Kim Monson: We've got Rob Natelson on the line.
[69:01] Rob Natelson: I'm suffering from some technical difficulties also, but that's life.
[69:08] Kim Monson: So right now we're doing a MacGyver workaround.
[69:10] Kim Monson: We're not going to be able to have any call-ins, Rob, but that actually works out okay because Rob Natelson is a constitutional expert.
[69:20] Kim Monson: And give me a little bit of a description here, Rob, of, again, I'm a little discombobulated as we're trying to get these phone lines to light around.
[69:30] Rob Natelson: Well, I'll give you a description, but I'm disappointed about not being able to take calls.
[69:36] Rob Natelson: would welcome them next month on the second Tuesday of the month.
[69:44] Rob Natelson: I was a practicing lawyer, mostly in Colorado for a number of years.
[69:49] Rob Natelson: And after that, I became a law professor, which I was for 25 years.
[69:54] Rob Natelson: Most of that time, not all of it, but most of it at the University of Montana.
[69:58] Rob Natelson: And then in 2010, I returned to Colorado to work full-time with the Independence Institute
[70:05] Rob Natelson: which is Colorado's free market think tank.
[70:17] Rob Natelson: That's the area of my expertise toward the end of my career as a law professor.
[70:25] Rob Natelson: And it's continued all through the last 15, 16 years or so with great success, success being measured by things like
[70:38] Kim Monson: Well, and your book is the original Constitution, and it is in, what, its fourth printing?
[70:47] Rob Natelson: What the original Constitution does, Kim, the book, not the document, is explain what the Constitution actually meant, what its legal force would have been right after the adoption of the Bill of Rights.
[70:59] Rob Natelson: Not what the Supreme Court has made it, not how it's been mangled in modern times.
[71:08] Rob Natelson: It's not an attempt to push one version over another.
[71:11] Rob Natelson: It's how it actually would have been enforced, say, in 1791.
[71:15] Rob Natelson: And it's written in language for the layperson.
[71:24] Rob Natelson: That's the one with a picture of the men at the Constitutional Convention at it.
[71:32] Rob Natelson: They've been updated and changed in various ways.
[71:36] Rob Natelson: I say updated not because the Constitution's been updated, but because new issues keep coming up, like impeachment, for example, or whether we should declare war in a given situation.
[71:51] Kim Monson: Now, a couple of things regarding, we can't take phone calls right now, but text, actually, no, text line's not going to work because I have you on my phone.
[71:59] Kim Monson: So it's going to be you and me, Rob, but it's going to be interesting because of what you've published here at the Epoch Times.
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[75:35] Kim Monson: And we've got on the line with us Rob Natelson, and ideally would like to take texts and call-ins, but our phone lines are down for the studio, which is complicating things.
[75:47] Kim Monson: So what I see is Producer Joe's MacGyvering all this to try to make this work.
[75:56] Kim Monson: Okay, you've written six different pieces that have been published in the Epoch Times regarding the Declaration.
[76:04] Kim Monson: So let's start with this, the run-up to the Declaration of Independence.
[76:08] Kim Monson: And I read all of these last evening.
[76:11] Kim Monson: Very interesting, great historical lessons there very quickly.
[76:17] Kim Monson: So I'd really recommend people check that out.
[76:19] Kim Monson: They can find it at natelsonrob.com.
[76:25] Kim Monson: So let's begin with the run-up to the declaration, Rob.
[76:29] Rob Natelson: Well, you know, I wrote these articles for another think tank that I'm affiliated with, not the Independence Institute, but the Mountain States Policy Center.
[76:39] Rob Natelson: And you can find them at the Mountain States Policy Center website if you don't subscribe to the Epoch Times.
[76:48] Rob Natelson: And they'll be eventually published on my own personal website as well, natelsonrob.com.
[76:53] Rob Natelson: They're written in honor of the 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence.
[76:59] Rob Natelson: The first article actually chronicles the events that led up to the declaration.
[77:07] Rob Natelson: And there's one, one fact that I think is not really taught much in schools, but it's really important.
[77:15] Rob Natelson: The American North American colonists were very happy subjects within the British empire.
[77:24] Rob Natelson: They identified themselves as British or English.
[77:31] Rob Natelson: Of course, they're not quite the same thing.
[77:33] Rob Natelson: They were very proud of having the rights of Englishmen and a great deal of personal freedom.
[77:47] Rob Natelson: They had fought alongside the British regular troops in the French and Indian War.
[77:56] Rob Natelson: Well, under the British Empire, as it existed under the until 1763, the colonies were, for the most part, self governing.
[78:07] Rob Natelson: The British government controlled foreign affairs.
[78:12] Rob Natelson: The British government controlled commerce trade among units of the British Empire.
[78:17] Rob Natelson: So if you were shipping something from South Carolina to Jamaica,
[78:21] Rob Natelson: or to Jamaica to England, or New York to Massachusetts.
[78:28] Rob Natelson: That kind of trade came under imperial control.
[78:33] Rob Natelson: Also, the post office, of which the United States Post Office is a direct descendant, the imperial post office was run from London as well.
[78:43] Rob Natelson: But otherwise, the colonists imposed their own taxes, made their own local legislation,
[78:50] Rob Natelson: basically governed themselves through their colonial assemblies.
[78:53] Rob Natelson: And then in 1763, the British ministry decided they were going to upset all of that.
[79:01] Rob Natelson: And in a series of steps they took, they progressively started to restrict the migration of Americans to the West.
[79:10] Rob Natelson: They imposed a series of taxes on Americans, such as you probably have heard about the stamp tax, for example, or the time-sham duties.
[79:28] Rob Natelson: They started meddling with currency within the American colonies.
[79:34] Rob Natelson: Now, again, previous to this time, Americans had been mostly self-governing.
[79:40] Rob Natelson: The British Empire was really a federation.
[79:43] Rob Natelson: And so the colonists began to protest this interference with the central authority.
[79:52] Rob Natelson: I mean, the same sort of thing we have going on today.
[79:55] Rob Natelson: A federation where the central authority is growing relentlessly and always grabbing for more power.
[80:01] Rob Natelson: And eventually, the colonists started writing petitions, holding conventions, which were usually called congresses, small c, and asking for redress.
[80:14] Rob Natelson: Sometimes they got it, sometimes they didn't.
[80:16] Rob Natelson: But eventually, in 1775, when it looked like the British were going to take their arms away from them, they needed to begin armed resistance.
[80:27] Rob Natelson: And that armed resistance continued for about 14 months before the Declaration was ever issued.
[80:33] Rob Natelson: For that 14 months, the colonists were still hoping to remain within the British Empire under the terms that had existed before 1763, but of course,
[80:50] Rob Natelson: And finally, leader after leader after leader in the American colonies became convinced that independence was the only alternative.
[81:00] Kim Monson: Well, not everybody in America was in support of independence, right?
[81:06] Kim Monson: Not everyone in America was in support of declaring their independence.
[81:13] Rob Natelson: First, there were a lot of people who really didn't care one way or another.
[81:18] Rob Natelson: And historians have tried to estimate what percentage of the population each group made up.
[81:23] Rob Natelson: I'm not going to quote figures, but the second group were people who were active Tories.
[81:30] Rob Natelson: That is to say, they believed in remaining with the English crown.
[81:35] Rob Natelson: Thomas Hutchison, for example, who had been the governor of Massachusetts under the crown.
[81:39] Rob Natelson: and who had been very supportive of the colonists' struggle against the stamp tax, could not go along with independence.
[81:47] Rob Natelson: And so he wound up leaving Massachusetts and going back to England.
[81:51] Rob Natelson: Many Tories stayed within the United States.
[81:54] Rob Natelson: They formed military units to help the British armies.
[81:57] Rob Natelson: Frankly, some of the most serious atrocities were actually carried out by Americans who opposed independence.
[82:06] Rob Natelson: And then there were those people like the great John Dickinson,
[82:09] Rob Natelson: one of the foremost founders who recognized that independence might be necessary down the road, but thought that issuing the declaration in July of 1776 was premature and might cause more problems than it solved.
[82:25] Rob Natelson: And so on July 1 of 1776, one of the most important debates in America occurred, that have ever happened, occurred within the Continental Congress.
[82:38] Rob Natelson: between John Adams in favor of independence and John Dickinson against independence.
[82:48] Rob Natelson: But the second article in my series actually explains why John Dickinson took the position he did.
[82:58] Rob Natelson: And after he lost that vote, he actually enlisted in the army to help fight the British.
[83:06] Rob Natelson: He went along, in other words, with his countrymen.
[83:09] Rob Natelson: But he did have doubts about taking that step at that time.
[83:14] Kim Monson: Well, and because of your second piece on John Dickinson, I chose him as our quotes of the day.
[83:21] Kim Monson: The next article that you wrote was the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence.
[83:30] Rob Natelson: Most people think of Thomas Jefferson as writing the Declaration of Independence, and that's true.
[83:39] Rob Natelson: But he was one of a committee, which historians call the Committee of Five.
[83:45] Rob Natelson: And what that article does is it thumbnails for you the incredible careers, I mean, just absolutely stunning careers of these five men.
[83:56] Rob Natelson: In addition to Thomas Jefferson, there was John Adams, for example.
[84:00] Rob Natelson: There was Roger Sherman, Benjamin Franklin, and Robert R.
[84:09] Rob Natelson: In some ways, he was the most impactful because he helped to get the first steamboats operating on the Hudson River early in the 19th century.
[84:20] Rob Natelson: But Roger Sherman of Connecticut signed the Declaration, helped to write the Declaration, helped to write the Constitution.
[84:28] Rob Natelson: He was an amazing character, very much like Franklin, not quite as brilliant as Franklin.
[84:34] Rob Natelson: but with the same incredible talents and driving energy.
[84:38] Rob Natelson: And, of course, John Adams was probably the man...
[84:41] Rob Natelson: I mean, you could argue this between Adams and Washington, but Adams or Washington were probably the two individuals most responsible for American independence.
[84:51] Rob Natelson: It's not that the two of them had the majority of the credit.
[84:54] Rob Natelson: It's that those two had deserved more of the credit for American independence than any other individuals.
[85:04] Rob Natelson: folks on the committee and they were the ones that I wrote the third installment about.
[85:10] Kim Monson: Well, something regarding Adams was interesting.
[85:14] Kim Monson: You said he was elected vice president in 1788 and 1792 and president in 1796.
[85:21] Kim Monson: As president, he, you said true to form, made decisions that one, rendered him deeply unpopular, two, secured his defeat for reelection, and three, eventually proved entirely correct.
[85:33] Kim Monson: So what were these unpopular things that were actually correct?
[85:37] Rob Natelson: Well, the most important by far was the decision not to go to war with France.
[85:45] Rob Natelson: At that time, England and France were engaged in the Napoleonic Wars and in the run-up to the Napoleonic Wars.
[85:58] Rob Natelson: They were feeling very frisky, and they wanted to spread the revolution all over Europe.
[86:04] Rob Natelson: And so, as part of this, there was a struggle at sea.
[86:08] Rob Natelson: I mean, the French and the English navies vied for supremacy.
[86:14] Rob Natelson: And America tried to remain neutral, but it got kind of caught in the middle.
[86:22] Rob Natelson: And so there were some altercations with France at sea.
[86:29] Rob Natelson: and the pro-British party, the Federalists in the United States, by this time, people like Alexander Hamilton, who had fought for independence, wanted to pursue a foreign policy that was actually pro-British.
[86:45] Rob Natelson: They agitated for war against France, and there would have been justification for war against France, because certainly there had been causes of war given.
[86:55] Rob Natelson: John Adams, even though he was part of that party, realized that
[87:00] Rob Natelson: going to war against the european power in the 1790s would have been disastrous um america is just newly independent was trying to recover from this horrible war of independence that it had waged uh was was under armed there was nothing to be gained really we're going to war for france and so what he did is he sent a mission to france uh ambassadors to france or rather diplomats
[87:28] Rob Natelson: and they negotiated a deal that prevented war from occurring.
[87:34] Rob Natelson: Historians rank this as probably Adam's greatest achievement as president.
[87:42] Rob Natelson: I agree with that because it gave us some peace.
[87:44] Rob Natelson: It gave us time to grow and become powerful.
[87:47] Rob Natelson: But at the time, it angered people in Adam's own party tremendously.
[87:54] Rob Natelson: And it's one of the reasons he lost to Thomas Jefferson in the election of 1800.
[87:59] Kim Monson: Well, Rob, the geopolitical climate at that time, hadn't France just helped us win independence a few years before, and then we were entertaining going to war?
[88:12] Kim Monson: Is that because after the revolution it was different people that were in charge, or how did that work?
[88:21] Rob Natelson: In retrospect, it's amazing that there was such war fever in the United States.
[88:28] Rob Natelson: Part of it was actually stirred up by the French government.
[88:33] Rob Natelson: The French government sent, for example, a diplomat named Genet, G-E-N-E-T, to the United States.
[88:39] Rob Natelson: And it went around the country blasting the British and demanding that the United States enter on the side of France and the cause of liberty.
[88:50] Rob Natelson: And then there were the Jeffersonians, that is to say, followers of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who were very pro-French.
[89:01] Rob Natelson: I mean, we've seen it in the United States just in recent years where you get this incredible, to borrow an old expression from a former Fed director, irrational exuberance.
[89:15] Rob Natelson: And we look back at it only five years later and we see, wow, that was really dumb.
[89:22] Rob Natelson: I mean, think, for example, just a few years ago,
[89:25] Rob Natelson: People were identifying with Black Lives Matter and demanding that we defund the police.
[89:32] Rob Natelson: And you could actually lose your job if you disagreed with that or even implied that you disagreed with that.
[89:40] Rob Natelson: And now we look back at it and we realize Black Lives Matter was run by a bunch of correctors.
[89:46] Rob Natelson: And defunding the police was an insane idea.
[89:51] Rob Natelson: And spikes in crime followed whenever they tried to follow that advice.
[89:57] Rob Natelson: But at the time, it was just this insanity.
[90:01] Rob Natelson: And that's part of what was sweeping the country during the Adams presidency, this idea of, we've got to go to war with France.
[90:10] Rob Natelson: But Adams kept his head, and he realized that that just was a very bad idea.
[90:17] Kim Monson: Okay, and one other thing, Roger Sherman, I don't know much about him, but he had, let's see, 15 children, is that right?
[90:30] Rob Natelson: Yeah, he had a wife and then his wife died.
[90:33] Rob Natelson: I think he produced seven by the first wife and eight by the second, or maybe it was the opposite.
[90:38] Rob Natelson: Anyway, the last one was born when he was 61.
[90:41] Rob Natelson: And I put in that little fact just to communicate that
[90:46] Rob Natelson: What an incredibly energetic person he was.
[90:49] Rob Natelson: This is a guy who was a surveyor, a cobbler, a businessman, a merchant, a member of Congress, a lawyer.
[90:57] Rob Natelson: And, you know, one kind of assumed one career after another.
[91:01] Rob Natelson: It's not that he necessarily gave up the earlier ones, but he kept accumulating them.
[91:07] Rob Natelson: And so he did exactly what Franklin did in middle life of Franklin and Sherman.
[91:14] Rob Natelson: had both been very successful in the private sector, had made a lot of money.
[91:18] Rob Natelson: They basically spun off their businesses, gave the management to others, and decided to go into public service.
[91:26] Rob Natelson: And so in some ways, they followed parallel careers.
[91:29] Rob Natelson: Now, Franklin, who I also cover in this series, was internationally famous.
[91:39] Rob Natelson: John Dickinson, by the way, for his writings during the colonial era, he was our second international celebrity.
[91:45] Rob Natelson: But Franklin was his celebrity because of his scientific experiments in electricity.
[91:51] Rob Natelson: So he had a brilliance beyond that of almost everybody else.
[91:56] Rob Natelson: Sherman didn't have that level of intelligence, but he was extremely bright, extremely conscientious, and diligent and energetic man.
[92:05] Rob Natelson: And he didn't just sign the Declaration of Independence.
[92:08] Rob Natelson: He signed the Declaration of the Causes for taking up arms.
[92:19] Rob Natelson: Roger Sherman was involved in virtually every significant, important step in the founding era.
[92:26] Kim Monson: So when we come back, let's talk about these men that signed the Declaration.
[92:31] Kim Monson: For example, Franklin and Sherman both were very successful, and they were putting it all on the line by signing this document.
[92:40] Kim Monson: So we're going to continue the discussion with Rob Natelson.
[92:43] Kim Monson: He's an expert on the Constitution.
[92:45] Kim Monson: He's written these pieces that were published at the Epoch Times, and you can actually find them at natelsonrob.com.
[92:56] Kim Monson: I read all of them last night and just great history lessons.
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[96:47] Kim Monson: And we are talking with Rob Natelson.
[96:49] Kim Monson: We are doing a bit of a workaround because our phone lines are down.
[96:53] Kim Monson: So unfortunately, no text messages because my phone is being used to talk to Rob and no call-ins right now.
[97:02] Kim Monson: And fortunately, Rob has written these six different pieces for the Epoch Times.
[97:09] Kim Monson: You can find them at natelsonrob.com.
[97:13] Kim Monson: Rob, you mentioned that both Franklin and Sherman, Roger Sherman, had great financial success, but yet they were signers to the Declaration of Independence.
[97:23] Kim Monson: And as they were signing the declaration, they could hear the British cannon down the river, and they knew they were signing a death sentence.
[97:31] Kim Monson: So this narrative that these were just old, rich, white guys that were just trying to
[97:37] Kim Monson: make sure that they took care of themselves is really not true because they were putting it all on the line for this, yes?
[97:46] Rob Natelson: I mean, if they had been caught by the British, they would have been designated as treat traitors and hung, you know, just like Nathan Hale was hung.
[97:59] Rob Natelson: Possibly even worse than hanging since there was still an old punishment going around caught up.
[98:05] Rob Natelson: drawing and quartering, which hadn't been used for a while, but if the king had been angry enough, maybe that's what would have happened.
[98:17] Kim Monson: Cutting the body in quarters, right?
[98:23] Rob Natelson: What they would do for drawing and quartering is first they would drag somebody in a cart to the place of execution, and then they would...
[98:35] Rob Natelson: hang the person until he was not dead, but just still alive.
[98:41] Rob Natelson: And they would cut him down and then they would disembowel him and show him his own guts.
[98:47] Rob Natelson: And then they would cut the body into quarters, uh, and then hang the quarters up to rock.
[98:53] Rob Natelson: This was the traditional punishment for treason, the most serious of all crimes by the 18th century.
[99:01] Rob Natelson: While the British penal system was still pretty severe by modern standards, they generally didn't do that anymore.
[99:11] Rob Natelson: But the fact is that the founders were taking enormous risks.
[99:17] Rob Natelson: By the way, not only would they lose their own lives, but whatever money they had, whatever estates they had, would not descend to their heirs.
[99:25] Rob Natelson: All of their property would be seized by the Crown.
[99:30] Rob Natelson: And their widows and their children will be left penniless.
[99:37] Rob Natelson: Um, the, uh, by the way, the fourth and the fifth series in this, uh, these op-eds that I've done for the epic times and for the mountain States policy center, they explain what the declaration was all about, how it was organized.
[99:54] Rob Natelson: And the part you were referring to was at the very end where they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
[100:00] Rob Natelson: But the two installments, the fourth and the fifth installments, actually go through the Declaration and explain the different parts.
[100:10] Kim Monson: Well, and going to the Constitution, just back to this quartering, I would think that's why the founders put in there no cruel or unusual punishment for a crime?
[100:24] Rob Natelson: That had been in the English Bill of Rights.
[100:27] Rob Natelson: that was something that um that they actually got from england the eighth amendment which is what you're referring to is almost verbatim from the english bill of rights of 1689 and i don't know that drawing and quartering it certainly wasn't considered a cruel and unusual punishment in 1689 presumably by 1789 it would have been it would have fit that category okay
[100:55] Kim Monson: And you mentioned the op-eds four and five.
[100:59] Kim Monson: One is, what is the Declaration of Independence?
[101:03] Kim Monson: And you mentioned the French Revolution, which was going on around the same time as the revolution here in the United States.
[101:14] Kim Monson: People say that they're so different, that America's revolution was founded on this idea of liberty, not so much with the French Revolution.
[101:26] Rob Natelson: Well, the French Revolution did cite liberty, equality, and fraternity.
[101:31] Rob Natelson: And it could have been a success if the French revolutionaries had known when to stop.
[101:44] Rob Natelson: The term revolution originally just means a turning, like the Earth's revolution around the sun.
[101:54] Rob Natelson: The revolution in England in 1689 had been almost entirely peaceful.
[102:00] Rob Natelson: And so the term revolution as used in our language doesn't necessarily mean something violent.
[102:13] Rob Natelson: But it's also been described as a conservative revolution because we decided to keep the institutions that we had had under the English.
[102:23] Rob Natelson: So we kept, for example, Anglo-American law.
[102:30] Rob Natelson: Colorado and most states have statutes that explicitly import into our law the common law of England.
[102:38] Rob Natelson: The French, by contrast, totally swept away
[102:43] Rob Natelson: the traditional law and tried to build something completely new.
[102:51] Rob Natelson: There were other ways in which our revolution was conservative.
[102:56] Rob Natelson: The government that was set up under the Constitution bore certain marked similarities to the English system of government as it existed at the time the Constitution was written.
[103:11] Rob Natelson: It obviously was much more democratic than the English form of government.
[103:15] Rob Natelson: It was a Republican government and not a monarchy.
[103:19] Rob Natelson: But in many respects, it was similar to what we had left behind in England.
[103:24] Rob Natelson: The federal system that we set up was very much the allocation of powers between the federal government of the states was very much like the allocation of powers between the imperial government and the colonies prior to 1763, which the Americans
[103:43] Rob Natelson: So it was a conservative revolution, and it still shows in respect today.
[103:48] Rob Natelson: The French decided that they were going to get rid of their old measurement system and adopt an entirely new measurement system.
[103:56] Rob Natelson: So they adopt the metric system based upon a measurement that's, you know, I think it's one ten thousandth of the diameter of the Earth or something, one hundred thousandth.
[104:09] Rob Natelson: of the diameter of the earth or something like that.
[104:16] Rob Natelson: We, on the other hand, kept the English measurement system, which we use for most purposes today, and which is actually based upon the measurements derived from the human body, from the human step, and is based upon dividing things by two.
[104:34] Rob Natelson: So the American Revolution was a much more
[104:38] Rob Natelson: conservative kind of change than the French Revolution.
[104:44] Rob Natelson: And one one result of that is that you didn't see the bloodbath in America that you saw in France.
[104:52] Kim Monson: Yes, as you say, they just got out of hand regarding the French Revolution.
[104:58] Kim Monson: Your last piece you wrote is the legacy of the Declaration of Independence.
[105:02] Kim Monson: I think you started to touch on that.
[105:04] Kim Monson: What should people know about this?
[105:08] Rob Natelson: the article discusses the effect of the declaration now the original perhaps the primary purpose of issuing the declaration in july of 1776 was to try to get foreign aid especially from france france this is before the french revolution france is still a monarchy and and so we're trying to get um aid from france but we recognize
[105:37] Rob Natelson: that if we don't declare independence, France is not going to assist us because if we make up with England again, then the British Empire is going to be more powerful than ever to the disadvantage of France.
[105:51] Rob Natelson: And so the argument that people like John Adams made was that we've got to issue this declaration in order to get French aid.
[106:00] Rob Natelson: John Dickinson countered and said, well, actually, that's not going to happen.
[106:04] Rob Natelson: And in some sense, Dickinson was right, because it was well over another year.
[106:08] Rob Natelson: It took the Battle of Saratoga for the French to help us.
[106:13] Rob Natelson: So it didn't have an immediate impact on foreign affairs.
[106:17] Rob Natelson: Where it had an impact was on political ideas.
[106:22] Rob Natelson: And I give as an example of that Abraham Lincoln's references to the Declaration of Independence, to the idea that all men are created equal.
[106:36] Rob Natelson: And since the Declaration of Independence, Lincoln is just one example, we've often appealed to the Declaration to try to get our political system to be more like the ideals expressed in the Declaration.
[106:52] Rob Natelson: So that's the primary legacy for Americans, that it's a statement of our political faith, our political ideas,
[107:01] Rob Natelson: and a standard that we could use for measuring our man-made laws.
[107:08] Rob Natelson: The Declaration has also been influential internationally, sometimes been used by people who really oppose the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and I give an example of the paper to justify what they're doing.
[107:27] Rob Natelson: But it's also been an inspiration for good things.
[107:35] Rob Natelson: And I point out that ultimately the Declaration of Independence proved to be one of the four most important secular political documents in Western history.
[107:48] Rob Natelson: And those four are Magna Carta, the Code of the Emperor Justinian, which became the basis for law throughout all of Europe,
[108:00] Rob Natelson: are the United States Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
[108:05] Kim Monson: Well, these are really beautiful pieces.
[108:07] Kim Monson: I would recommend that people sit down, read them, talk with friends, family, colleagues about the Declaration.
[108:16] Kim Monson: Rob Natelson, thank you for your flexibility.
[108:19] Kim Monson: It was a little while this morning, but next month, second Tuesday, we will have Ask Rob Natelson, and thank you so much.
[108:34] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from John Dickinson.
[108:42] Kim Monson: but it is our duty to leave liberty to them.
[108:45] Kim Monson: So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[108:58] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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