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[02:30] Kim Monson: And so we are pre-recording the show and very pleased to have on the line with me Colonel Bill Rutledge, 96 years young.
[02:38] Kim Monson: He is a retired Air Force colonel, and he's traveled the world.
[02:42] Kim Monson: He reads extensively, has a great curiosity about people and places and things.
[02:49] Kim Monson: And he said for Memorial Day weekend, both for the America's Veterans Story show and for the Kim Monson show, let's talk about Medal of Honor recipient
[03:01] Kim Monson: And so, Colonel Rutledge, welcome to the show.
[03:05] Kim Monson: It's good to have you, and it's a really remarkable story.
[03:10] Kim Monson: So let's start with Eddie Rickenbacker's story.
[03:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay, well, Eddie was, first of all, Eddie's mother and father came from the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and they immigrated in the
[03:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie was a third of eight children, and he was born in Columbus, Ohio, October the 8th, 1890.
[03:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: And his parents really wanted to be a part of the American society, so they gave all of their eight children English first names.
[03:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: And not only that, when they were in Switzerland...
[03:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: Rickenbacker was spelled slightly different.
[04:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: So when they came to America, by coincidence, people put it down like it sounded to them, B-A-C-K-E-R, and it would have been B-A-C-H-E-R had they stayed in Germany.
[04:21] Kim Monson: And so he was born in Columbus, and even at a young age, he was really an entrepreneur, right?
[04:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[04:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: He felt an obligation, first of all, to help his family.
[04:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he took a job when he was 10 where he was delivering newspapers, and he got $1 a week for all of his work.
[04:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then shortly thereafter...
[04:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: Actually, when he was 13, he was in the seventh grade.
[04:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: His father was in a working accident and was killed.
[05:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie dropped out of school.
[05:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, it's not unique, his experience, because I compare him very often in the aviation field and also especially commercial aviation.
[05:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I relate him to people like Edison and Bell and Ford and Chrysler.
[05:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: All of these great, great people.
[05:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: Most of them never had a high school education.
[05:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: And certainly they never went to college.
[05:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he had an education until he was 13.
[05:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then he became an apprentice as a machinist working with people with a company that was designing and building machines.
[05:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: race cars.
[05:48] Kim Monson: And he became really an expert, ultimately, as a mechanic, yes?
[05:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, he became so good as a mechanic that they started having him ride in the race car.
[06:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, in the early days, the race cars were designed specifically for that, so they weren't the flat
[06:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: traditional one that Ford was building and others.
[06:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: But they always had two people in the cab.
[06:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So there was the driver and they always had a mechanic with them because sometimes they did cross-country competition as well as a fixed track.
[06:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And there were occasions when they'd have to get out and just stop and the mechanic would have to get out and work on the engine.
[06:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he became an absolute expert in his field
[06:44] Kim Monson: So ultimately, though, he wanted to also learn to drive, right?
[06:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, right.
[06:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was so good at his job, people wanted to keep him as a mechanic, but he wanted to move up and become a driver.
[06:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did, and he moved up.
[07:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: And in his late teens, then he was a driver.
[07:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: And since he also was so good at mechanics, he was in a position to sort of
[07:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: make that transition where you didn't have to have two people in the cab of the car.
[07:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was again a pioneer in early race driving and he competed throughout the Midwest and in those days normally you'd pay some money to enter the competition and the winner got the money.
[07:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: It wasn't like it is today
[07:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: where they scale it down and the winner gets the largest piece of the cash.
[07:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: In those days, if you came in second, that's too bad.
[07:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: No money.
[07:52] Kim Monson: And so he did end up racing at the Indianapolis 500, which that race is always over Memorial Day weekend.
[08:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, he did, and he became very interested in doing it.
[08:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And...
[08:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was really ready in 1917.
[08:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: By this time, he was 27 years old.
[08:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: He'd had a lot of driving experience.
[08:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And in May of that year, he was in Indianapolis preparing his car to go into the Memorial Day race competition.
[08:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: When he got a call from an old friend
[08:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: who was on the staff of General Pershing.
[08:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the friend said that General Pershing wanted to have a particular driving pool of experienced drivers to help move him around and other members of his general officer staff.
[09:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie talked to him and he said, well, you know, I'm going to be racing next week.
[09:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: So if you would just let me do that, then I'd be ready to go.
[09:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the man who was a major on Pershing's staff, he said, Eddie, we're leaving tomorrow from New York, and if you're not ready to be on the ship, you're not going with the 1st Division.
[09:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie said, I will be there.
[09:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: He hung up, and he went straight down and got on the trains there.
[09:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: and moved as fast as he could to New York and got there in time enough to get aboard ship.
[09:38] Kim Monson: So it's such a fascinating story, and really a story of American exceptionalism as well.
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[12:44] Kim Monson: And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show.
[12:51] Kim Monson: And we actually are pre-recording this show for Memorial Day weekend and for Memorial Day.
[12:57] Kim Monson: And also because Eddie Rickenbacker was a Medal of Honor recipient yesterday.
[13:04] Kim Monson: We thought it appropriate that we would broadcast this interview both for America's Veterans Stories on Sunday and then for the Kim Monson Show on Monday.
[13:12] Kim Monson: And so pleased to have on the line with me Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 96 years young.
[13:20] Kim Monson: Amazing curiosity about people and places and things and reads extensively.
[13:25] Kim Monson: And we're talking about Eddie Rickenbacker.
[13:29] Kim Monson: So as we mentioned in the previous segment, Eddie Rickenbacker volunteered in late May 1917 to become a part of General Pershing's American Expeditionary Force.
[13:41] Kim Monson: And he was selected because of his automobile driving skills and his exceptional mechanical ability.
[13:48] Kim Monson: And so he gets to New York and they get on the ship.
[13:50] Kim Monson: So then what happened, Colonel Rutledge?
[13:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, when he got to New York and he was about to go aboard the ship,
[13:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: one of the senior officers and I think it was a full colonel had the authority to designate the military rank or grade that they would have so they designated him as a sergeant and of course we know we have privates and corporals and then sergeants so he was a sergeant and as he got aboard ship they looked at the stripes on his uniform and
[14:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: checked their records and they said, okay, you're a sergeant.
[14:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: So you're going to be down in the hold with all of the other enlisted men.
[14:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he went down there and it was crowded.
[14:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was smoky.
[14:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: There was oil fumes around.
[14:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: The food was terrible and he didn't like it.
[14:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he went up on the deck and he came across another old friend who he had known in the automobile business.
[14:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, where are you staying?
[15:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: You're not with us.
[15:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: He said, oh, I've got my private cabin.
[15:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, well, why?
[15:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: He said, I'm a sergeant, you're a sergeant.
[15:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: He said, yeah, Eddie, but I'm a sergeant first class.
[15:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie said, well, I ought to be also.
[15:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, well...
[15:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: you aren't and he said well Eddie said well how can I do that he said you'll have to talk to the colonel so he did he went to the colonel he said so and so is he has a private quarters and he's up on the main deck and it's very nice and it's terrible down the hold so I want you to promote me so he did and
[15:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he promoted him.
[15:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: And by that second night, Eddie had his own stateroom.
[15:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: And this was sort of the respect he had with his seniors because he was very good, but he was also very direct.
[16:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he made him know very clear that he was not happy down in the hold area.
[16:15] Kim Monson: Well, and I love the initiative of him finding out how to change things and to change it.
[16:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, then the 1st Division went over, and they were there for several months while they were preparing to get involved actually in the combat.
[16:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Pershing refused to let—
[16:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: the Americans be integrated into the French force or into the English.
[16:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: Both of those wanted to be having American units coming in to replace their units that were decimated by the war.
[16:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, no, we will fight as a unit and we will be the American expeditionary force and we will not be ready for a few months.
[17:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they went through a formative period and Eddie then was working
[17:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: with other drivers.
[17:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And, of course, he was the best mechanic in the whole bunch.
[17:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did not actually drive for General Pershing.
[17:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: Many people often thought he was.
[17:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was Pershing's motor pool driving drivers.
[17:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he was so good that he was selected by Billy Mitchell, who was a brigadier,
[17:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was in charge of the Army Air Corps to be his driver so that whenever he went out, he wanted Eddie.
[17:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: And one of the interesting stories was that they were up near the front and it was muddy and bad roads and it was night and dangerous to be out.
[18:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie was driving and they got in this area with a lot of mud.
[18:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the car stopped.
[18:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he got out, and General Mitchell was very concerned.
[18:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie said, well, I'll check it out.
[18:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was so good, he found out what the problem was.
[18:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: He actually developed a replacement part that he put back in there, and he got the engine started, and they got out, and they moved.
[18:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: So this was the caliber of an individual he was.
[18:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was creative, and he always took initiative.
[18:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he got the reputation of being extremely good with engines.
[18:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: And because of this, and because of his affiliation with General Mitchell, then he was actually assigned to one of the airplane...
[19:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was being formed on the 94th.
[19:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he then became the principal mechanic for the aircraft engines.
[19:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And when he did this, they just sort of centralized their maintenance because of his skill.
[19:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie then approached the major, who later would become one of the chief of staff of the Air Force 20 years later.
[19:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he talked to the major and said, well, if I'm going to be working on these engines, I ought to know how to fly.
[19:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, but you're too valuable.
[19:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie insisted, and he kept insisting.
[19:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: So finally, because of his persuasiveness, the major agreed to let him go to a French flying school.
[20:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, Eddie didn't speak French, but Eddie was a fast learner.
[20:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he went to the school, he learned how to be a pilot, and he had promised he would come back, which he did.
[20:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: So after he'd gone and came back, then he learned to fly, and he would fly around a little bit in non-combat areas.
[20:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then the class of Americans that he had been in were sent away to go to gunnery school, and Eddie didn't go.
[20:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the reason he didn't go, because a major said he was too valuable as a mechanic.
[20:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie again started his persuasiveness and kept telling him, look, I'm going to be working with these people.
[20:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, I'm working on the mechanical part, but I want to be able to qualify as a combat pilot.
[20:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: So if the opportunity or the need is there, I can work.
[21:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: help our mission.
[21:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did.
[21:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: He went down to a French school, which is down in the southern part of the country, and it was designed specifically to teach people how to use machine guns on aircraft.
[21:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he learned that, and then he came back.
[21:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so when he got back, it was now the winter of 1917, 1918.
[21:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he had to have some more
[21:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: opportunities to fly before he ever was exposed to combat.
[21:38] Kim Monson: So in the year 1918, though, he did do combat missions, and he ultimately was awarded the Medal of Honor for those, yes?
[21:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, but that was years later.
[21:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: What happened was he had to have enough training
[21:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: to be confident so he didn't go out.
[22:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: A lot of the pilots, the new pilots, were shot down in their first missions.
[22:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: Eddie flew enough with an experienced person, and actually he was the best American pilot.
[22:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: He'd been born in France, and he took Eddie sort of under his wing, so to speak, and worked with him one-on-one.
[22:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: where he would take his plane, Eddie would take his plane.
[22:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: They were flying French made Newports and so they trained.
[22:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then Eddie had their first chance for combat the last week in April 1918.
[22:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did his flying, he was up and around and he got his first aircraft shot down that time.
[22:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: But it was a harrowing experience and he was learning a lot
[22:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: because that's a situation where you either learn fast or you're shot down and you're gone.
[23:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: So shortly after he had had some combat experience, he had some sort of a respiratory problem.
[23:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie was actually in and out of the hospital for almost two months.
[23:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So May and June were basically gone.
[23:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: So then he came back, and now...
[23:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: He's got about four months to work with, July, August, September, October.
[23:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: Within four months, Eddie had become the squadron commander and had shot down 26 German aircraft.
[23:45] Kim Monson: And again, this would be like the old-time dogfights, right?
[23:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, absolutely.
[23:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, for sure.
[23:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he learned...
[23:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: he really learned a lot from the Germans because the Germans were the ones that developed the attack program.
[24:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was very observant of their procedures, and he used a lot of the tactics that the Luftwaffe was using then.
[24:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: Of course, then it wasn't called the Luftwaffe.
[24:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was only named that later.
[24:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: But nevertheless, he was flying during the period
[24:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: after most of the German aces had actually been shot down because of constant exposure.
[24:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: But nevertheless, there were still, the German pilots still were more experienced than these young Americans.
[24:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: One thing was interesting about, that they had to make a waiver on, and this is a flashback.
[24:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: Eddie, when he wanted to be a pilot, the age requirements was 27.
[24:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: You could not fly if you were that old, I mean, if you're over that age.
[25:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: I thought it was 25.
[25:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: I'm sorry, 25, correct.
[25:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: And, of course, he was born in 1890, so he was already 27.
[25:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what happened was the doctor who did the physical exam was a good friend of Eddie's.
[25:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he just changed the record to show that Eddie was born really in 1892.
[25:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: So...
[25:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: It shows, again, a little of his initiative and how his good friends helped get him into combat.
[25:35] Kim Monson: Boy, remarkable stories about Eddie Rickenbacker.
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[28:30] Kim Monson: And I'm talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 96 years young.
[28:36] Kim Monson: And we're talking about Eddie Rickenbacker.
[28:39] Kim Monson: And just really an amazing, amazing man.
[28:43] Kim Monson: And both military and an entrepreneur.
[28:47] Kim Monson: And we are prerecording this for both Memorial Day and for America's Veterans Stories for the day before.
[28:55] Kim Monson: So Colonel Rutledge, it's 1918, April.
[29:00] Kim Monson: Eddie Rickenbacker in combat flight, he gets his first kill on that.
[29:09] Kim Monson: And then he was in and out of the hospital because he had some respiratory stuff going on.
[29:15] Kim Monson: And so then he ended up having four months left because then the war came to an end.
[29:21] Kim Monson: And a rather remarkable record that he had 26 additional, a total of 26, I guess, Germans that he shot down, right?
[29:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: Correct.
[29:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: And also, he had moved up where he was a squadron commander.
[29:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so when the war ended and he came back home, he was certainly the aviation hero.
[29:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And also because of his close affiliation with General Billy Mitchell, he maintained contact with those people who were still flyers in the military.
[30:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he was also recognizing that in order to have a good pilot and a number of pilots for any kind of future combat, that we needed to develop commercial aviation
[30:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: for many reasons.
[30:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: But one of the reasons, of course, was to gain experience as pilot.
[30:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was doing that.
[30:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: Then he also went back and he bought the Indianapolis Speedway.
[30:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was on the market.
[30:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was going to be sold.
[30:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it looked like it was going to be converted into homes and businesses.
[30:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: and he was very good working with financial people so he got backers and put put together enough money to buy the property and he always claimed it because of the importance of the facility that it was one of the greatest test places for the automobile industry this is long before they had big
[31:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: outdoor tracks like they do in Arizona now but the race tracks were great and the people of course in the tire business really promoted and encouraged racing there because they had to change their tires a lot when they were doing the Indianapolis 500 so he bought that so they could continue the procedure which is still today on Memorial Day weekend it is
[31:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: the elite race in America.
[31:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he saved it and then the same time he decided because of his mechanical skills that he liked, wanted to go into the auto production field.
[32:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he actually did and he set up factories.
[32:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: He got people that were going to be dealers for him around the country.
[32:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: because he'd had some experience like that before the war.
[32:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they actually produced Rickenbacker automobiles, many thousands during the 1920s.
[32:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what happened was because of the great crash and depression as it started in 29, they just didn't have enough cash to survive.
[32:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: So
[32:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: He had to go out of business and then he started directing his attention more to commercial aviation, especially he affiliated with the very small airport airplane operations in Florida.
[32:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then he eventually switched the name to Eastern Airlines and he became the executive and eventually the owner of Eastern Airlines.
[33:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, when he was going through this transition, Roosevelt was elected in 1932.
[33:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: He took office on March 4, 1933.
[33:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was trying to figure out how to save money.
[33:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: And there had been some movement of airmail by commercial carriers.
[33:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that seemed to be fairly safe because they would only do it during the daytime and where they could see.
[33:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: They used to follow railroad routes or paved roads.
[33:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: They did all sorts of things because aviation was in its infancy on the commercial aspect.
[33:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he worked a lot with that.
[33:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: Roosevelt decided in the spring of 1934 that instead of paying commercial contractors to fly the mail, he was going to have the Army Air Corps do that.
[34:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, the Army Air Corps didn't have nearly as good of planes as the commercials.
[34:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: They were still using training planes left over from World War I, plus the fact they didn't know enough about flying at night, they didn't know the routes well, and they didn't have enough flying time.
[34:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: So consequently, when Roosevelt directed that to happen,
[34:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: He canceled all the contracts with the commercial carriers and gave the assignment to the Army.
[34:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Lindbergh, along with Rickenbacker, both made public announcements to the effect that this was terribly dangerous, that it shouldn't be done, and for some of the reasons I've already mentioned.
[35:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so what happened in the spring of 1934,
[35:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: about a month or so, they had enough crashes.
[35:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: They lost 12 new young pilots in crashes.
[35:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I can remember, because I was very young, I was in the first grade, but I was in Georgia, and one of the pilots was from a town down there.
[35:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was from Albany, Georgia.
[35:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they used to have articles in the paper every day about them.
[35:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: This man who'd been in a crash in Florida, he was an Army Reserve.
[35:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what his health condition was, how he was recovering, his name was Mason Reed.
[35:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I just kept hearing people talk about, how is Mason Reed doing today?
[35:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: How's Mason Reed?
[35:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, after a few weeks, Roosevelt realized that he had made a terrible mistake.
[36:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he backed off.
[36:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: and took the Army out of the mail business and went back for commercial contracting.
[36:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that continued on until today.
[36:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's done by commercial purposes, not by military aviation.
[36:18] Kim Monson: Well, and Roosevelt kind of held a grudge, didn't he?
[36:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: Oh, he held a real grudge.
[36:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: He held a grudge against Rickenbacker and also, of course, against Lindgaard.
[36:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: Both of them, Lindbergh had been designated a colonel in the U.S. Army Air Corps Reserve, and Rickenbacker had been, he served on active duty as a captain during World War I.
[36:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: But after the war, through the reserve, he was promoted also to full colonel in the Army Air Corps.
[36:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was presented, of course, with his
[37:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: Medal of Honor many years after the war.
[37:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: But these were the two most important pilots recognized by the American public.
[37:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: And when they both came out in opposition to Roosevelt, it had an impact.
[37:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So when we got to World War II, both of them wanted to come back and be on active duty, and Roosevelt refused.
[37:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: He wouldn't let them do it.
[37:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was just a chip on his shoulder.
[37:34] Kim Monson: So how did—we'd done that show on Lindbergh.
[37:39] Kim Monson: How did Rickenbacker end up serving in World War II then?
[37:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, what happened was he had gotten to know a number of the general officers, of course, from the First World War who had become generals then and served.
[37:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: Hap Arnold now was the chief of staff for the Army Air Corps.
[38:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Hap Arnold knew how good Rickenbacker was.
[38:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: So when they started the military draft in 1940 and started building new fields all around the country, he approached Rickenbacker and said, I would like for you to go and inspect each one of these new bases.
[38:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: And what he did, he took him into the Secretary of War because there was no Air Force that's separate at that time.
[38:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Stimson was the Secretary of War.
[38:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he told him what he wanted to do.
[38:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Stimson gave him a letter that he could use and show to the base commanders at all of the new Air Force bases being built that he was speaking on behalf of the Secretary of the Army,
[38:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: and had the authority to direct any changes necessary to make the bases and the training staff more efficient.
[39:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: So that's what he did.
[39:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he went all over America, did a marvelous job.
[39:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was so successful there that they even sent him to some of the other areas.
[39:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then even when Russia got into the war,
[39:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: in 1941.
[39:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: In June of 1941, when they were invaded, we started sending aircraft over to assist them.
[39:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie went to Russia, representing the U.S., to help the Russians understand how to fly the American fighter aircraft.
[39:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he also had the opportunity to see what the Russians were doing as far as
[39:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: their aircraft construction.
[39:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was what we used to call a tech rep, technical representative, and to monitor and to come back and to share what he had learned in the field with the Army Air Corps.
[40:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it was very important.
[40:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, it was so important, and now we get a situation where Japan has invaded, I mean, Japan has attacked Pearl Harbor
[40:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: December 7, 1941.
[40:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: In 1942, when Corregidor fell in the Philippines, MacArthur was sent by direction from Roosevelt, was sent to Australia.
[40:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was to be the commander of that whole theater with the Army.
[40:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the Secretary of the Army wanted to relay some confidential information to MacArthur.
[40:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he elected to have Eddie go directly to talk to the general.
[41:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay.
[41:01] Kim Monson: Colonel Rutledge, let's keep that as a cliffhanger.
[41:04] Kim Monson: And also before we get into that remarkable story, I also wanted to ask you about 1941 when he was in that plane crash.
[41:13] Kim Monson: So let's keep those two things as cliffhangers.
[41:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yeah, we can do that.
[41:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: We should do a flashback on that.
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[44:29] Kim Monson: that have given their lives for our liberty.
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[44:49] Kim Monson: I'm talking with 96-year-young Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, about Eddie Rickenbacker.
[44:57] Kim Monson: And we're getting ready to talk about when he was to take the message down to General MacArthur.
[45:04] Kim Monson: But let's go back earlier in the year.
[45:07] Kim Monson: I think it is, I guess, the year before, February 1941.
[45:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, Eddie had become the chief executive officer for Eastern Airlines.
[45:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eastern had become the largest commercial carrier in America before the start of
[45:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: our involvement in World War II.
[45:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was a passenger aboard one of the DC-3s, which were the real advancement in commercial aviation for passengers.
[45:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was just a passenger aboard on his way to Atlanta, coming out of New York.
[45:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so there was no
[45:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: bad weather or anything going on and nothing was unexpected and they were approaching Atlanta and something happened as far as the technical aspects of the aircraft and communication of the grounds because it was all, a lot of it was experimental in those days.
[46:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: Anyhow, what happened was that the pilots
[46:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the co-pilots were both killed in the crash that happened in North Atlanta.
[46:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it was finally after a flight investigation, they found that their altimeter had been wrong.
[46:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: They thought they were at an altitude of about 2,000 feet higher than they really were.
[46:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they flew right into the forest.
[46:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: And a terrible crash happened.
[46:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: and many of the people aboard were killed and eddie was it was a miracle that he wasn't killed he was in the wreckage and the people came out as quickly as he could get there but it took him about an hour an hour and a half to come to the wreck site then the emergency people were trying to excavate and get their survivors who could walk get them out of the way first
[47:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then they heard that Eddie was still breathing.
[47:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: So it took them over an hour to use cutters and things to get him out.
[47:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was so enshrined with metal all around him.
[47:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they got him out.
[47:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: They put him in the ambulance.
[47:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: They all went to the hospital.
[47:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: When they got to the hospital, the doctors who were on call that night in the emergency room
[47:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: They looked at Eddie and they thought, this guy's not going to make it.
[47:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: They said, put him over there to the side.
[47:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they just wanted to work on the ones that looked like they had a chance to survive.
[48:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: The good news for Eddie was that Eddie knew the doctor who was in charge of the hospital.
[48:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the doctor was alerted of the crash.
[48:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he came over and he arrived there safely.
[48:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: within an hour or so after eddie got to the hospital and he asked where's eddie and they said they pointed out to him over there well he's over there with a group we don't think will make it well the doctor in charge went over and became eddie's personal physician and he did everything he could and he saved eddie's life and but eddie had many many broken bones and a
[48:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: fractured skull and things which would normally kill anyone and uh so the doctor told him he says you're going to stay here and we're going to treat you and he said i believe that you will need to be here for eight months and eddie said i don't think so
[49:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And in four months, Eddie got up and walked out.
[49:15] Kim Monson: So let's get over to he walked out, and we're now getting into World War II.
[49:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, then we've talked about his visits to all of our air bases and acting as a tactical consultant.
[49:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he then...
[49:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: was asked directly by the Secretary of War to take a personal oral message to General MacArthur, who was now down in Australia.
[49:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he flew to Hawaii, and when he got to Hawaii, there was a B-17 available to fly him from there on down towards Australia.
[50:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, they took off.
[50:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: There was Eddie and seven other members of the crew
[50:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Eddie was the passenger.
[50:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were going.
[50:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: They had their headings.
[50:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: Everything was going fine.
[50:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: But then their radio communications didn't work right.
[50:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the long and the short of it was that their contact with the islands that they were supposed to be able to stop at and refuel, they got lost.
[50:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And
[50:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: After a while, it looked like there's no way they'd make any kind of a landing on surface.
[50:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the pilot told them we're going to have to crash land.
[50:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they moved their supplies of water and also their supplies of emergency food.
[50:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they moved it to a particular spot on the plane.
[50:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they had to crash into the ocean.
[51:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they came down.
[51:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: made a good landing but in their panic to get out of the plane they forgot the food in the water so they went out and inflated their three little rafts that were done and so they all got in those they got off and when they got safely away from the airplane it went under and suddenly they realized hey
[51:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: we don't have any water and we don't have any food.
[51:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: And yet there's eight of us floating around out here and nobody knows where we are.
[51:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so what they were doing, they realized they were going to be dependent upon rain for water and try to fish.
[51:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so one of the first notable things happened
[51:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: Eddie very smartly kept on his coat and regular suit and a big felt hat.
[52:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now a lot of the people had thrown a lot of their personal clothing item away because they thought it would be easier for them to swim, to swim away from the plane.
[52:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: That was stupid because it also exposed them to terrible sun.
[52:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: So one day, and this is shortly after they'd gotten out there floating around,
[52:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: A bird came, a seagull, and landed on top of Eddie's head.
[52:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: And nobody moved.
[52:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: Nobody said anything.
[52:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: They didn't want to frighten the bird.
[52:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Eddie real quickly wham on top of his head.
[52:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he killed the bird.
[52:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they took the bird and divided it up into eight parts.
[52:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they ate the bird.
[53:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: And, of course, there was no way to cook the bird or anything like that.
[53:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: They probably picked some of the feathers off.
[53:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: But nevertheless, that sustained them for a while.
[53:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then they also rigged up some devices with some strings and some sort of hooks they made that they could use and try to catch a fish once in a while.
[53:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then they had rain.
[53:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the rain is what saved them.
[53:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were floating in the drift.
[53:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: They were lost and the newspapers didn't cover much about it because it was a very highly classified mission.
[53:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: But they did later report that Rickenbacker was missing on a combat flight to Australia.
[53:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: So we knew this.
[53:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: But 22 days before
[53:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: one of the aircraft, which was an amphibious plane from one of the smaller islands way out in the middle of the Pacific, flew over their area, identified them, and it took them another 24 hours to go back and get some other amphibious aircraft to come down and pick them up and take them all back to this island.
[54:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so then all the people wanted to go back to Hawaii.
[54:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: But Eddie said, no.
[54:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: I'm going on to Australia because I have a mission to perform, and it's verbal.
[54:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did continue on, and he went and visited with MacArthur and relayed the information from the Secretary of the Army.
[54:42] Kim Monson: And we've got a couple of minutes left.
[54:44] Kim Monson: What would you say would be the big takeaways regarding Eddie Rickenbacker that you want our listeners to hear?
[54:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, I think—
[54:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: The most important thing to me was, well, the amazing thing is that I talked to many people that I've known during the last few weeks.
[55:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I'd say, do you know anything about Eddie Rickenbacker?
[55:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: They said, who's he?
[55:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: I couldn't find hardly anybody who'd ever even heard of Eddie Rickenbacker.
[55:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I told them a little bit about the story and that he was the most famous American fighter ace in World War I.
[55:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: But I also tried to equate him with other people of his era.
[55:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that's when I mentioned that he was on a par with people who they recognized.
[55:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: In other words, Edison and Bell and Ford and Chrysler, all of whom had no degrees.
[55:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: And you could go all the way back to Benjamin Franklin.
[55:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: People mostly didn't know anything about him either.
[55:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: But all these people did not have formal educations but they were leaders in their field.
[56:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: Nobody else could have taught them because they were inventing and creating.
[56:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was, Eddie was a person who was creative especially in business and organization for commercial aviation.
[56:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: In other words, he was to commercial aviation.
[56:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: what Billy Mitchell was to the development of military aviation.
[56:26] Kim Monson: Well, Colonel Rutledge, I so thank you for all of the research that you've done on this.
[56:31] Kim Monson: And thank you so much for sharing this.
[56:34] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from Eddie Rickenbacker.
[56:37] Kim Monson: He said, the four cornerstones of character on which the structure of this nation was built is initiative, imagination, individuality, and independence.
[56:47] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well.
[56:53] Kim Monson: live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[57:04] Kim Monson: And stay tuned for hour number two.
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[60:27] Kim Monson: And pleased to have on the line with me, 97-year-young Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force.
[60:34] Kim Monson: He has this great curiosity for people and places in history, and we are blessed that he has shared that with us through many, many broadcasts.
[60:44] Kim Monson: Colonel Rutledge, welcome to the show.
[60:49] Kim Monson: And we're going to talk about a hero that most people have not heard of, and that is Joe Foss.
[60:57] Kim Monson: And so where should we start regarding Joe Foss?
[61:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, first of all, I think we should expand a little bit on your comment about nobody knowing anything about Joe Foss.
[61:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: I've asked several people recently about Joe Foss.
[61:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And whenever I would bring up the subject, I'd get sort of a blank look.
[61:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they'd say, who is he?
[61:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so it's true that most Americans don't know anything.
[61:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: I was living in that era.
[61:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: I was in junior high school when he was first on the public scene.
[61:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: But again, because during the war, we had very controlled news information.
[61:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: Matter of fact, we had what was called an Office of War Information in Washington.
[61:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was a censor program.
[61:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they only sent us information about
[62:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: the war and the battles and things after they no longer were significant and when it would give no advantage to either the Germans or the Japanese in the Pacific.
[62:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: But we'll get back to Joe's origin.
[62:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: Joe was born in actually on a farm near Sioux Falls, South Dakota in 1915.
[62:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: And his father had a Norwegian background.
[62:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was a disciplinarian, but like in most families, his mother made a lot of decisions for the children and especially for Joe.
[62:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: His mother had been forced to drop out of school after she'd finished the third grade.
[62:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And since she was actually born in the late 1800s, that was not unusual.
[62:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: for someone in a rural area not to advance very far.
[63:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: They hoped to learn how to read and write.
[63:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: But because of her lack of formal education, she set very high goals for her son.
[63:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: And she insisted that he finish high school and obtain a college degree.
[63:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: This was a long-range goal for her.
[63:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Joe had a love for hunting and fishing.
[63:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: He liked that better than farming and certainly better than school.
[63:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he was very careful on his hunting because his father was a specialist in hunting and he taught Joe how to be very safe with a gun.
[63:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: It reminded me of my own grandfather who was a
[63:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: a fisherman and a hunter.
[63:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I remember going with him when I was five or six years old and him showing me how to be very safe with the use of a .22 caliber rifle that he would always carry with him when he went into the woods or when he went fishing.
[64:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: Joe's interest in hunting was clarified a little bit more later.
[64:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: when he had to have physical examinations within the military.
[64:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they found out that he had exceptional vision.
[64:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: He had 20-10 vision, which meant at 20 feet, he could see what most people could see at 10 feet.
[64:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that was the same capability of Ted Williams in baseball, one of the great hitters of all times, that people wondered, how can he see the ball?
[64:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, he could see it better than your eye.
[64:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: So this was one of those qualities that kept him interested in gunnery.
[65:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it gave him a great advantage later during the war when he was really a specialist as a gunner when he was in the fighter plane.
[65:16] Kim Monson: Yeah, it's amazing to me, after speaking with so many World War II veterans, to just think what those pilots did.
[65:23] Kim Monson: And so we're going to continue the story about that.
[65:26] Kim Monson: But before we go to break, he had this interest in flying, correct?
[65:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[65:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was a teenager in the 20s, and he was growing up when there were a lot of –
[65:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: People who were mostly World War I veterans who wanted to be pilots, but they didn't have a chance because there weren't very many airplanes in those days.
[65:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: But at the end of the war, there were a lot of training aircraft, which were biplanes with wing on top and wing on the bottom.
[66:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were used for training, but they were put on the market and sold very cheaply to people who could fly.
[66:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were called barnstormers.
[66:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: and they would fly their planes from city to city, usually landing in agricultural areas or someplace that was safe.
[66:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they would go to special events like county fairs and others, and they would give people rides in their airplanes.
[66:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: The biplane that they had, they had two cockpits, and the pilot sat in the front, and the person who wanted to take a ride would sit in the back.
[66:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And this is, Joe had an experience like this when the barnstormers came to Sioux City, or Sioux Falls rather, and his father would take him over and let him go up in the airplane.
[66:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: I had a similar experience exactly like that when I was five years old at a county fair in Kentucky when my father was anxious to go fly
[67:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he thought he'd take me.
[67:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he went over and talked to the pilot and said, how much would it cost if we went up in the air and flew?
[67:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said it would cost two dollars.
[67:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And for two dollars, my father got in the back seat and sat down and he had me sit on his lap.
[67:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: We've had a seat belt across our waist and we went up in the air from we were actually in the in the.
[67:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: center of a racetrack on a field that's right in the middle.
[67:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that shows you how easily these airplanes could land and take off on short areas.
[67:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: So we went up and flew around about 200 or 300 feet in the air over the Ohio River, made a big loop, and then we came back down and landed.
[68:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: So I could read this story about Joe and I could identify with him.
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[72:37] Kim Monson: We're talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, regarding Joe Foss.
[72:44] Kim Monson: And Colonel Rutledge has this great curiosity about people and places and things.
[72:49] Kim Monson: So Joe Foss grew up in South Dakota
[72:55] Kim Monson: And in the 30s, South Dakota experienced the Dust Bowl, like many other states in that area.
[73:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, they were having the dry periods and praying for rain.
[73:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: And on one occasion, they had an experience like many places out there.
[73:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: There would occasionally be a thunderstorm, sometimes very tremendous impact.
[73:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And in 1933, his father was driving from the farm into town.
[73:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: And on the way, he was right in the middle of one of the storms.
[73:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the winds were so great that they blew down some of the power lines.
[73:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: So this happened in front of Joey's father's car, and one of the poles actually was blown over.
[74:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: So his father was going to get out and move the pole out of the way so he could go on with his car.
[74:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And what he didn't know was that one of the power lines had broken loose from the pole, but it was still live.
[74:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was touching one part of his car, which he didn't know, couldn't see.
[74:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so as soon as he opened the door and stepped out, he was grounded and he was immediately killed, electrocuted.
[74:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: And this was a terrible tragedy.
[74:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Joe was now the...
[74:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: the man of the house.
[74:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was a senior in high school when this occurred.
[74:55] Kim Monson: So then what happened after that, now that he's the man of the house?
[75:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, he went on and graduated from high school, and then his mother insisted that he enroll that fall at the University of South Dakota.
[75:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he took summer jobs that summer after graduating from high school, and then
[75:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: Whenever he had the opportunity, he would save his money throughout his college career.
[75:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: He'd save just a little bit because he wanted to learn to fly and it was going to cost a lot more than he and his mother could afford.
[75:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: And we say a lot that we have to go back and think about what was a lot of money in the early 1930s.
[75:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: He had to acquire
[75:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: 64 dollars to be up front and give to the people who were going to teach him how to fly so he gradually saved that money and he started taking flying lessons and i'm sure that he was taking flying lessons and one of the planes similar to what he had flown in when he was younger because those were the principal planes that were used
[76:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: for teaching aviation for civilians in that era.
[76:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he continued and he actually completed his flying and was able to get a flying license before he graduated.
[76:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he graduated from the University of South Dakota in 1940.
[76:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: He had already logged many hours in the air by that time.
[76:49] Kim Monson: And so then he anticipated that the United States would become involved in the war, but he thought it would be the war in Europe, right?
[76:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[77:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: In 1940, in May of that year, that was when the Germans broke through and they invaded the Netherlands, Holland,
[77:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: Belgium and on into France.
[77:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that's when Dunkirk occurred with all of the French and British troops that were surviving the battle were encircled and they had that evacuation across the channel back to England.
[77:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: So we in America, everything was looking towards Europe.
[77:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: There was no thought or no discussion of anything in the Pacific.
[77:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: So, but there was a certain anticipation that we would eventually get involved because England was being battered.
[77:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: And starting in September of 1940, they began what was called the Battle of Britain, which is all an aerial battle between the Royal Air Force and the German Air Force, because the Germans had to gain aerial control in order to invade England.
[78:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: So Joe wanted to go into the military so that he would be prepared in the event that we were going to get involved in the war.
[78:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: So 1940, now he is 25 years old, and he is an older person to be applying to go to
[78:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: go to fly.
[78:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he approached the Marines and they said, fine.
[78:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: He passed all the exams.
[78:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he very carefully did not tell the Marines that he had had any flying license.
[78:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: He wanted to go in and excel.
[79:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he did.
[79:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was the oldest person in his pilot class at Pensacola.
[79:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he did so well there.
[79:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: that they wanted him to stay on and be an instructor pilot as a graduated Marine Lieutenant.
[79:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And of course, remembering now, we are not yet involved in the war, but we're getting close to December of 1941.
[79:40] Kim Monson: Okay, so the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941.
[79:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: By that time, Joe Foss was a lieutenant, and he was still an instructor pilot in Pensacola, but he applied for and was assigned to a tactical squadron, and then his squadron was assigned to the West Coast.
[80:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: There was a
[80:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: a period shortly after Pearl Harbor's attack, when there was great fear that the Japanese might bring some of their carriers up towards the West Coast and endanger California, especially.
[80:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: So there was a lot of mobilization along the California coast.
[80:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was actually stationed out there in Southern California.
[80:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that's where he was.
[80:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: when the war actually started to turn around a little bit.
[80:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: After Midway, he was not involved in the Battle of Midway because he was not flying off carriers.
[80:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: But after the Battle of Midway, then the concentration was on stopping the Japanese from getting closer and closer to Australia.
[81:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were getting very close.
[81:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were in the summer of 1942, they were on Guadalcanal.
[81:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: They had occupied it.
[81:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they hadn't done much with it yet, but there was a presence there.
[81:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the US forces decided that that would be a first place where they needed to turn it around
[81:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: because it was getting awfully close to aerial range of Northern Australia.
[81:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: His flight, he and his squadron went to the Southwest Pacific in late 1942.
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[81:53] Kim Monson: And the Guadalcanal, it's spelled G-U-A-D-A-L-C-A-N-A-L.
[82:00] Kim Monson: It's an island of the Solomon Islands chain in the South Pacific.
[82:04] Kim Monson: And it was also a very long battle as well.
[82:10] Kim Monson: So tell us about that, Colonel Rutledge.
[82:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[82:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: Hickenfield was down there, and what happened is –
[82:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: we had a landing.
[82:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: Japanese were surprised because they didn't have very many people on the island at the time because they were moving so fast.
[82:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the decision was made by the U.S. military that that had to be the turning point.
[82:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the Marines landed there and there was a muddy
[82:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: a small field for fighter planes.
[82:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: And as soon as they landed, of course, the Navy Seabees went out and started working on improving the landing conditions.
[83:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that was their principal job so that they were able to bring in fighter planes.
[83:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Joe was in one of the first squadrons that landed on Guadalcanal in late 1942.
[83:18] Kim Monson: Okay, and he had become a master in combat tactics.
[83:23] Kim Monson: So what happened next, Colonel Rutledge?
[83:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, he was a commander of a flight.
[83:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was a captain at the time.
[83:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was not the squadron commander initially.
[83:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: He would become one later.
[83:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he was so accomplished as a pilot that
[83:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: Many of the other pilots learned much from him.
[83:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they would, of course, prepare to defend the airfield because this was so important also for bringing in supplies because the Japanese were already occupying several of the Solomon Islands north of Gorda Condal.
[84:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they had a base of operations.
[84:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were able then to land on the north end of Guadalcanal, and they actually had more soldiers, I mean, more soldiers on the ground, but they did not have a flying facility or runways or anything of that nature on the north end.
[84:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they were assisted as far as flying area by aircraft coming from
[84:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: distant islands.
[84:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they had a limited range.
[84:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: They could come down and be over there.
[84:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: But they also had a bombing procedure so that they weren't doing a huge amount of damage.
[84:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what they did, they would always have a bomber come over at night so that the pilots and the other people had a terrible time getting sleep.
[85:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: They could almost set their watch on the time
[85:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: that the bomber would come over and drop a bomb or two just to wake them up, keep them awake.
[85:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was an annoyance.
[85:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then the Japanese decided they were going to.
[85:27] Kim Monson: And actually, I'm going to keep that as a cliffhanger.
[85:31] Kim Monson: I need to make a note so I don't forget what that is.
[85:33] Kim Monson: We're talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge regarding Joe Foss.
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[88:08] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[88:10] Kim Monson: And I'm wishing you all a blessed Memorial Day.
[88:13] Kim Monson: And it is a day to stop and reflect regarding those that have given their lives for our liberty.
[88:19] Kim Monson: Liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom.
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[88:30] Kim Monson: The center is located in Pueblo, focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients, as well as telling those stories and sharing
[88:38] Kim Monson: educating kids on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism.
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[88:50] Kim Monson: I'm talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge.
[88:52] Kim Monson: He is retired United States Air Force.
[88:54] Kim Monson: And we're talking about Joe Foss and the Battle of Guadalcanal.
[88:59] Kim Monson: Guadalcanal is located in the Solomon Islands in the South Pacific.
[89:03] Kim Monson: And the Japanese wanted Guadalcanal because they wanted to be able to continue on to try to conquer Australia.
[89:11] Kim Monson: So my question regarding this battle and the decisions that Captain Joe Foss made at the time was that at the Battle of Midway, I remember my father telling me about this battle, that we were able to sink, was it three of the Japanese aircraft carriers?
[89:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, we thought three, but it turned out eventually that the fourth one went down also.
[89:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: So four carriers went down and it just blunted their whole effort to control the Hawaiian Islands.
[89:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: Midway, of course, was a part of the Hawaiian Island chain and it was the greatest threat to our West Coast.
[89:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the Battle of Midway in June of 1942
[90:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: halted that, but they were still progressing in the Southwest Pacific, going all the way down through Indonesia and into New Guinea and then the Solomons.
[90:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were just really close to be in a position to have Australia on their
[90:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: If there were radar in those days, there weren't.
[90:27] Kim Monson: Well, and the other thing I wanted to connect then is they don't have the aircraft carriers, so they're going to have to launch their aircraft in the battle for Guadalcanal from islands, which means that they have to fly a longer distance.
[90:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: That's correct.
[90:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay.
[90:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: And not only that, even if they had had any carriers available right then, they didn't want to endanger them
[90:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: at the cost of trying to capture one more small island in the Solomons.
[91:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they still would have to fly many miles south to get to Guadalcanal, and therefore they're using up a lot of fuel, whereas our planes right there are flying really close to the island.
[91:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: So we had a capability of staying...
[91:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: in the air longer than they, so they could come down, do their attacks on the field.
[91:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And principally, this was their main target was to try to destroy aircraft there and to enable them to be able to come in with more troops and land on the north part of the island and have those boats that were carrying troop carriers, that they would be protected from the air.
[91:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: So consequently, the importance of controlling the air over Guadalcanal was key.
[92:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, in the late fall, early winter of 1942-43, there was a great concentration of air battle struggles over and around Guadalcanal.
[92:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the Marines...
[92:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: there, lost a few planes, but their planes were, their pilots were pretty well trained so that they were holding their own.
[92:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the Marines who had landed had done a great job of moving north on the island and had gained control of a lot of the islands.
[92:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the Japanese had retreated, but they still had a control line up there so that they
[92:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: could bring in their landing ships and do the reinforcements.
[92:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, the commander, the American commander on the island felt that we had it where our Marines were going to be able to make a final thrust and control everything.
[93:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he didn't think that the Japanese had the will or that they could gain enough control of the air
[93:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: and come down and land more troops.
[93:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, Joe Foss didn't quite agree.
[93:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: So his squadron had actually been planned to be rotated out and have a new squadron come in.
[93:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: But Joe hid out eight airplanes in his flight and he put them out into the jungle around the perimeter of the airfield.
[93:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the general didn't get out and check
[93:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: on what was going on all the time.
[93:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: So one day the general did go out and he did find these and he called Joe in and wanted to know what was going on.
[94:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Joe explained to him that his men wanted to stay there and protect the field.
[94:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: They weren't quite ready and he thought that there might be another attempt to land on the north part of the island.
[94:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, shortly after this discussion, that is exactly what happened.
[94:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: The Japanese had several troop ships that were loaded with soldiers that were going to be landed.
[94:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they also mustered, their estimate was maybe 48 or 50 fighter planes that were coming down to the island.
[94:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, one of the unusual situations was
[94:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: realize that they were grossly outnumbered as far as aircraft.
[94:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he didn't want to encounter them because he was fearful they would just all be shot down because of the numbers themselves.
[95:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what he did, they did all sorts of evasive actions so that they got up high in anticipation of the Japanese planes coming in
[95:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then they played sort of like a dodgeball game.
[95:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: The Japanese would come up for them and then they would go lower.
[95:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they evaded and kept flying around until the Japanese pilots lost control of the situation because their fuel was so low.
[95:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they had to turn around with their aircraft and go back to their islands north of there.
[95:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: So there never was any encounter there.
[95:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: that particular day when the great effort was made.
[95:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: And because the air cover was gone, then the troop carrier ships that were going to come down turned around and went back to the islands north of there.
[96:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the initiative of Joe was so significant.
[96:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And of course, by this time, he had already shot down 20
[96:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: about 23 aircraft, and he later shot down three more.
[96:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he was already a multi-fighter ace and was considered the best pilot in the whole area, and the oldest, I might add.
[96:33] Kim Monson: So when the Japanese came over, he did these aircraft.
[96:38] Kim Monson: Did the Japanese, were they able to destroy the other aircraft?
[96:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: No, there were never any attack because their objective was to take out Joe's flight, his aircraft.
[96:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: They couldn't tell also because of elevations up and down and down.
[96:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: a little cloudy area and things like that, because there's a lot of rain and clouds down there.
[97:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: They didn't know exactly how many were there, but they wanted the Americans to attack them.
[97:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: But Joe realized that they couldn't do it.
[97:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: I mean, they'd be defeated.
[97:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he used this strategy to keep the evasion to the point
[97:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: where they just had to turn around and go because they were out of fuel.
[97:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: Enough to get them back to their return island.
[97:37] Kim Monson: I'm not quite getting, so he hid the aircraft from the general.
[97:41] Kim Monson: I can't quite connect why, you know, why did he have to hide the aircraft from the general, or was he hiding it from the Japanese?
[97:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, it was both, really.
[97:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: It was camouflaging the aircraft, which protected them from the Japanese routinely.
[98:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the main reason he was doing it right at the end is that he wanted to stay there because he had an anticipation that the Japanese were going to make one last big shot from the air.
[98:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the general didn't think so.
[98:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did this intentionally without consultation to protect
[98:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: protect those aircraft.
[98:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it turned out that that was exactly what was needed.
[98:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the irony of the whole situation was at the end, when the Japanese were not able to make this final big surge, the general who had gotten so upset with Voss is the one who wrote up his recommendation for the Medal of Honor.
[98:58] Kim Monson: So he then was awarded the Medal of Honor for, was it for this shooting down on the other, the flights, or what was it?
[99:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, he was awarded it based primarily on his fighting record of being the best ace in the whole area.
[99:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: He had 26 Japanese kills.
[99:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: But in addition to that,
[99:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: What lent to the nomination also was his strategic planning and thought and the tactical use of his airplanes against that encounter with the Japanese in early 1943.
[99:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: So the General was humble enough to give full credit to Joe Foss and to send the nominations back and then
[99:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: They were rotated out and another squadron came in when obviously they had they'd turned a corner.
[100:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they did fly to one of the other Solomon Islands.
[100:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so they're out of range.
[100:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: And another squadron came in.
[100:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: to relieve the squadron Joe was in.
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[103:02] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[103:03] Kim Monson: We are pre-recording this show for Memorial Day.
[103:06] Kim Monson: And Memorial Day is a day where you carve out some time to reflect and be grateful for those that have given their lives for our liberty.
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[104:08] Kim Monson: Colonel Bill Rutledge, we're talking about Joe Foss, and you put together a great amount of
[104:14] Kim Monson: You had read the book, A Proud American, Joe Foss, and we're not going to get through all of it today.
[104:21] Kim Monson: So I think this will be part one, and then we will record part two next week so that we can really delve into the life of this remarkable man.
[104:33] Kim Monson: But he is now rotating out of R&R from Guadalcanal.
[104:42] Kim Monson: So what happens next with Joe Foss?
[104:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, Joe and his other pilots, so seven other pilots, they flew to a nearby island who was out of the range of the Japanese aircraft.
[104:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they were going to be evacuated back to the States for a lengthy R&R period after being under intense fire for many months.
[105:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they were on this small island, and they were waiting for a troop ship that would take them back.
[105:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, most of the ships that were going, or I should say many of the ships, were actually commercial cruise ships, and therefore they were pretty nice to take people back to the States.
[105:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he was advised that he would be
[105:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: put aboard this ship, and he would go back.
[105:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, well, what about my crew, my men?
[105:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: Not only his pilots, but also his crew chiefs and things of this nature.
[105:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was told, well, they're not on the schedule.
[106:00] Col. Bill Rutledge: They're coming later.
[106:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he said, well, can I see somebody that we could maybe make arrangements?
[106:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: He said, I'm not leaving without my men.
[106:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: They said, well, this is controlled by the Navy.
[106:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: So you have to go down and see the operations officer who handled all of the assignments aboard the ship.
[106:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, well, who would that be?
[106:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, well, that's a lieutenant named Nixon.
[106:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he did.
[106:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: He went down and talked to Lieutenant Nixon and explained what was going on.
[106:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Lieutenant Nixon said,
[106:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: made special arrangements so that he and his crew were all able to go back at the same time.
[106:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that Nixon, of course, later became the President of the United States.
[107:00] Kim Monson: So they are able to get back stateside.
[107:05] Kim Monson: What's the next thing that happened with Captain Joe Foss?
[107:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, the next thing was when he got back, they immediately wanted to get him to Washington so that he could be awarded the Medal of Honor.
[107:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: They had already made that decision in his absence.
[107:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so he and his mother came down from the Dakotas to Washington to be there.
[107:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they were both at the White House.
[107:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: medal was presented by President Roosevelt and his mother was there and she'd always been a very strong supporter of the president.
[107:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: So it was a great, great occasion for the family.
[107:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Joe then anticipated that he would shortly be able to go back to the Pacific because he wanted to get back into combat.
[108:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: But he was told that from the
[108:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: the value of someone who had received an award such as he could not be put back into combat for fear that he might be killed and that he could do much more good for the war effort by traveling around the country and talking to people about what he had done and the progress and to help inspire others and perhaps improve
[108:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: recruiting so he did and so for almost a year afterwards he was traveling around from city to city and he would give lengthy presentations about what it was transpiring and basically to encourage the home front because for the first year and a half everything in the pacific was going south i mean it was bad um we just weren't making any progress and that
[109:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: Joe was one of the key men in turning the corner in the southwest Pacific.
[109:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he did many of these.
[109:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: But they had to give him sort of a base of operation.
[109:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they assigned him to one of the marine air stations in Oregon.
[109:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he was up there for several months, quite a few months, because he never went back into
[109:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: combat in the Pacific.
[109:39] Col. Bill Rutledge: But this procedure was followed also in other theaters of World War II.
[109:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: And subsequent engagements since that time, you take a Medal of Honor winner out of line so that they're not further endangered.
[109:58] Kim Monson: Okay, and he received the Medal of Honor from President Roosevelt in May of 1943.
[110:04] Kim Monson: There's still another two years of the war, and as you mentioned, things were not going well in those first years of the war in the Pacific.
[110:16] Kim Monson: And so to boost Americans' morale was very important, and so that was what his focus was then after he received the medal, correct?
[110:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, that's correct.
[110:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: And there was a personal experience that was relevant to this.
[110:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was stationed in Oregon, and he was there so that it was sort of a funnel for people coming in from the Pacific, like if they're coming in for an R&R break, and then also for people coming back from R&R to check in there to get ready
[110:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: to get aboard ship to go back to the Southwest Pacific.
[111:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: So a very good friend of mine, many years after that, I met this gentleman actually in Denver, but he lived in Fort Collins and we became extremely good friends.
[111:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he told me, he said, well, I had an experience in 43 where I had come back
[111:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: from the Pacific after being out there for almost two years in many landings.
[111:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I'd had leave in Minneapolis and I'd gone back to visit my family and my girlfriend.
[111:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, when I was back there, I had given her a ring and we were engaged and things were going well.
[111:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: But then I got too wrapped up
[111:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: talking to a couple of sailors I met in Minneapolis who had been at Midway.
[112:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: So we talked about Midway and Guadalcanal, and time just passed by.
[112:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: So I was late getting over to dinner at my girlfriend's home with her family.
[112:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: I was two hours late.
[112:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said she was furious and gave me back my ring.
[112:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I decided I better stay there and try to make up.
[112:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he stayed an extra day.
[112:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And he said, if I stayed an extra day, I might be able to make up things.
[112:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: But I for sure was going to get in trouble with the Marines.
[112:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay.
[112:39] Kim Monson: And we're going to keep that as a cliffhanger with what happened with your friend.
[112:45] Kim Monson: Colonel Bill Rutledge, thank you so much.
[112:48] Kim Monson: And I appreciate you sharing all of this with us.
[112:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: Thank you for the opportunity.
[112:56] Kim Monson: And indeed, as we are hearing these stories, we do stand on the shoulders of giants.
[113:01] Kim Monson: So this Memorial Day, God bless America and God bless you.
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