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[00:11] Kim Monson: An early childhood taxing district?
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[00:21] Kim Monson: I don't think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can't understand that.
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[00:33] Kim Monson: And it's not fair just because you're a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn't.
[00:39] Show open announcer: Is it freedom or is it force?
[00:42] Show open announcer: Let's have a conversation.
[00:46] Kim Monson: Indeed, let's have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Monson Show.
[00:52] Kim Monson: You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose.
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[01:00] Kim Monson: We were made for this moment in history.
[01:01] Kim Monson: And thank you to the team, that's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting.
[01:18] Kim Monson: We're pre-recording for the week of Independence Week and great special interviews.
[01:24] Kim Monson: So we work like maniacs so we can take a little bit of time off, but it will be a great week.
[01:29] Kim Monson: And I thank Joe for his dedication on that.
[01:35] Kim Monson: Producer Steve, retired, said, hey, I hadn't looked at your website for a little while and it looks fantastic.
[01:46] Kim Monson: We will be having our next town hall next Tuesday evening with Harry Howry with Unite for Freedom talking about the integrity of our elections.
[01:59] Kim Monson: You can join the community by going to kimmonson.com.
[02:02] Kim Monson: And we have created the community and added in the newsroom as well, writing news stories with good journalistic integrity, presenting both sides of the issue.
[02:15] Kim Monson: And I do do some commentary on it as well, but you realize that part where that's at, that's the editorial component.
[02:24] Kim Monson: So be sure and support us, join us.
[02:27] Kim Monson: It's a place where we are conversing and communicating and,
[02:30] Kim Monson: and contemplating these important ideas.
[02:33] Kim Monson: We in our country, at least 250 years later, we are on the precipice of socialism slash communism.
[02:41] Kim Monson: And part of it is we are supposedly electing our way into that.
[02:47] Kim Monson: Although I think there's going to be a lot happening this summer regarding election integrity.
[02:52] Kim Monson: I know many of you received your ballots for the primary election.
[03:01] Kim Monson: If you've not, we're all going to be needing to check that out.
[03:10] Kim Monson: And thank you to all of you who support us.
[03:12] Kim Monson: We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[03:22] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[03:25] Kim Monson: And it's not compassionate and it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff.
[03:29] Kim Monson: whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhood, or lives via force.
[03:36] Kim Monson: And force can be a weapon, but it can also be unpredictable, in excess of taxation, fees, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, legislation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and globalist elites, their tools are the United Nations, the
[03:52] Kim Monson: Colorado State Legislature, this governor, and we see it play out at the county, the local, the school district, and special district levels as well.
[04:00] Kim Monson: And the focus of communism is the abolition of private property.
[04:08] Kim Monson: And so when we see private property or both tangible and intangible being taken, that is antithetical to the American idea.
[04:17] Kim Monson: Property rights are foundational to this great American idea.
[04:22] Kim Monson: And what could happen if everyday people could keep most of their property, most of the fruits of their labor?
[04:28] Kim Monson: Well, America happens where everyday people can thrive and prosper.
[04:31] Kim Monson: And that is what we are really in this battle of ideas about.
[04:35] Kim Monson: So thank you for joining us and contemplating on this.
[04:39] Kim Monson: On the show, we are focusing on the issues.
[04:42] Kim Monson: We will mention the people behind those issues, but we work to stay out of the personality stuff that can happen out there.
[04:48] Kim Monson: Right now, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is working on our...
[04:54] Kim Monson: ratings report, which we hope to have out here within the next, hopefully within the next 10 days.
[05:00] Kim Monson: This is a monumental amount of work that began in January at the beginning of the state legislature.
[05:07] Kim Monson: Over 700 bills and resolutions were presented and we took positions on 178 of those particular bills and what we're looking at these bills
[05:21] Kim Monson: the criteria is how do they affect the taxpayer?
[05:24] Kim Monson: So how do they affect you and your kitchen table issues?
[05:29] Kim Monson: How does it affect TABOR, protecting TABOR or assaulting TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayer's Bill of Rights?
[05:39] Kim Monson: So we took positions on 178 of those bills, and then we will rate all of the legislators and the governor on how their votes were compared to those bills.
[05:50] Kim Monson: So it is a monumental piece of work.
[05:53] Kim Monson: When you see these volunteers out there, they're all volunteers on this board.
[05:56] Kim Monson: Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Janssen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard.
[06:09] Kim Monson: because what they are doing for the people of Colorado is so important.
[06:14] Kim Monson: And I know it seems like maybe we're not making any progress, but I went through and looked at it, and 42 of the bills that we took no positions on, bad bills, did not make it through this legislative session.
[06:27] Kim Monson: So under the radar, we can see that we are making a difference, and we will continue to do that.
[06:33] Kim Monson: So say thank you to these people, and thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show.
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[06:40] Kim Monson: I always love hearing her perspective on this.
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[07:23] Kim Monson: And I took this, I did not know this, but the blue background on our flag, the American flag, is called the Canton.
[07:34] Kim Monson: And in the second hour, we'll talk with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, regarding the flag and Flag Day.
[07:47] Kim Monson: And it's also my friend Sue Kinfield's birthday.
[07:52] Kim Monson: But the word of the day Cantonese spells C-A-N-T-O-N.
[07:52] Kim Monson: And it could, number one, be a small territorial division of a country, especially one of the states of Switzerland.
[08:03] Kim Monson: Number two, a subdivision of an arrondissement in France.
[08:09] Kim Monson: Or number three, this is our definition, a small square division of a shield, usually in the upper right corner.
[08:17] Kim Monson: And since it's Flag Day, this is an opportunity to talk with friends, family, children, grandchildren about what the flag symbolizes.
[08:25] Kim Monson: And hopefully after this show, you'll have an even greater appreciation of that.
[08:31] Kim Monson: but you can explain to them what the canton is and use that in a sentence today.
[08:36] Kim Monson: Our word of the day, excuse me, our quote of the day, I go to the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values.
[08:42] Kim Monson: And the center is located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk.
[08:46] Kim Monson: I would recommend that you make a day of it.
[08:51] Kim Monson: Enjoy some of the restaurants on the Riverwalk.
[08:55] Kim Monson: And check out the Center for American Values and their Portraits of Valor, which is they have portraits of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients.
[09:06] Kim Monson: With their quotes, it is a great place to contemplate the sacrifices and those willing to sacrifice their lives for our freedom.
[09:15] Kim Monson: So to get their hours, go to AmericanValuesCenter.org.
[09:21] Kim Monson: But this is the quote, and it is from Edward C.
[09:21] Kim Monson: Byers, United States Navy Medal of Honor recipient.
[09:29] Kim Monson: And this was for actions taken in 2012.
[09:39] Kim Monson: And it says, "...for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty as a hostage rescue force team member in Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom from 8 to 9 December 2012."
[09:55] Kim Monson: As the rescue force approached the target building, an enemy sentry detected them and darted inside to alert his fellow captors.
[10:03] Kim Monson: The sentry quickly reemerged and the lead assaulter attempted to neutralize him.
[10:08] Kim Monson: Chief Byers, with his team, sprinted to the door of the target building.
[10:12] Kim Monson: As the primary breacher, Chief Byers stood in the doorway fully exposed to enemy fire while ripping down six layers of heavy blankets fastened to the inside ceiling and walls to clear a path for the rescue force.
[10:25] Kim Monson: The first assaulter pushed his way through the blankets and was mortally wounded by an enemy small arms fire from within.
[10:32] Kim Monson: Chief Byers, completely aware of the imminent threat, fearlessly rushed into the room and engaged an enemy guard aiming an AK-47 at him.
[10:40] Kim Monson: He then tackled another adult male who had darted towards the corner of the room.
[10:45] Kim Monson: During the ensuing hand-to-hand struggle, Chief Byers confirmed the man was not the hostage and engaged him.
[10:51] Kim Monson: As other rescue team members called out to the hostage, Chief Byers heard a voice respond in English and raced toward it.
[10:58] Kim Monson: He jumped atop the American hostage and shielded him from the high volume of fire within the small room.
[11:04] Kim Monson: While covering the hostage with his body, Chief Byers immobilized another guard with his bare hands and restrained the guard until a teammate could eliminate him.
[11:13] Kim Monson: His bold and decisive actions under fire saved the lives of the hostage and several of his teammates.
[11:44] Kim Monson: Brave men fought and died, building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I'm bound to uphold.
[11:54] Kim Monson: And then he, I think in Spanish, acknowledges the Archangel Michael.
[12:13] Kim Monson: As we reflect on Fridays on the actions of our Medal of Honor recipients.
[12:18] Kim Monson: And the Medal of Honor is not something that is won.
[12:20] Kim Monson: It is received by actions taken to protect others, to protect their lives.
[12:26] Kim Monson: And I take such heart from these stories because we have this duty as we are here today to step forward and take action to protect others.
[12:36] Kim Monson: the American idea, the idea of individual liberty, that all men are created equal, so we should be treated equally under the law.
[12:44] Kim Monson: And we have to engage in this battle of ideas.
[12:48] Kim Monson: It's been attributed to Maggie Thatcher.
[12:53] Kim Monson: Well, Maggie Thatcher said that America is the only country that was founded on an idea.
[12:59] Kim Monson: And it's been attributed to Joseph Stalin that ideas are more powerful than guns.
[13:06] Kim Monson: We would not let our enemies have guns.
[13:09] Kim Monson: So why would we let them have ideas?
[13:12] Kim Monson: And so that's really what we're in right now.
[13:15] Kim Monson: That's why we created the community and our newsroom.
[13:18] Kim Monson: And is to engage in this battle of ideas.
[13:25] Kim Monson: This week I've been in a bit of a kind of walking through fire on many of these ideas.
[13:32] Kim Monson: But I continue to have all these stories of everyday people stepping forward.
[13:38] Kim Monson: And that's exactly how our country was founded.
[13:40] Kim Monson: So we will talk more about the flag in the second hour, but it is Flag Day.
[13:44] Kim Monson: It is also Donald Trump's birthday.
[13:45] Kim Monson: And do check out the website for the USMC Memorial Foundation.
[13:50] Kim Monson: And this is a great day to make a contribution to the USMC Memorial Foundation.
[13:56] Kim Monson: to continue to support the flags that are waving out at the Marine Memorial.
[14:02] Kim Monson: And you can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
[14:05] Kim Monson: That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
[14:08] Kim Monson: And I will be talking with him later today.
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[14:20] Kim Monson: But he started out as a history teacher.
[14:22] Kim Monson: And so I thought this would be so interesting to do a complete interview with him regarding his perspective on the history of America.
[14:31] Kim Monson: And we'll broadcast that this Independence Week.
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[17:50] Kim Monson: It is Friday, and thank you to our caller that, in my mind, today was the 14th of June, and it's not.
[18:02] Kim Monson: Thank you so much for correcting me.
[18:05] Kim Monson: I've been thinking about Flag Day so much.
[18:15] Kim Monson: And so that is on Sunday, but we're doing this all since we're on Monday through Friday.
[18:18] Kim Monson: On the line with us is Molly Lamar.
[18:22] Kim Monson: She is Molly for Colorado Kids, and she has really been doing amazing work for the children in the Cherry Creek School District.
[18:37] Molly Lamar: I was just going to say, you know, of course, if you want to understand how a premier school district or school
[18:45] Molly Lamar: Wonderful Cherry Creek collapses into a crisis.
[18:49] Molly Lamar: You can just follow along right now, unfortunately, because these last six months, we've witnessed a massive leadership of people.
[19:00] Molly Lamar: But it's the contrast between administrative priorities and classroom reality that should make every parent, taxpayer, and listener curious.
[19:11] Molly Lamar: We had a public school board meeting the other night, and we listened to a
[19:16] Molly Lamar: the CFO give us this doom and gloom budget reality.
[19:21] Molly Lamar: We're staring down a massive budget gap.
[19:25] Molly Lamar: And of course, to fix their budget hole, they laid off 159 frontline staff members, including 51 critical special education roles.
[19:36] Molly Lamar: And they didn't even mention the fact that we're now being federally investigated.
[19:44] Molly Lamar: and got up and asked the Board of Education, how many investigations is this community going to have to endure before the Board of Education finally realizes that something at the top fundamentally has to change?
[20:01] Kim Monson: So we had Lori Gimmelstein on yesterday to talk about some of these court cases.
[20:07] Kim Monson: But I want to go back to, which is, it's unbelievable to me that what's going on at Cherry Creek School District.
[20:15] Kim Monson: But how did they get into this budget problem?
[20:18] Kim Monson: Because wasn't there in 2000, well, wasn't there a bond that was recently or a mill levy override that was just passed just recently?
[20:28] Molly Lamar: 2024, $950 million, and we are out of money.
[20:37] Molly Lamar: We're staring down a $23 million deficit.
[20:43] Molly Lamar: Just obviously blatant overspending priorities.
[20:49] Molly Lamar: We've spent millions on programs that do little
[20:55] Molly Lamar: to nothing, in fact, in my opinion, caused children harm on these programs, these DEI programs that, you know, just aren't helping.
[21:07] Molly Lamar: And when you look at our, the decline in academic achievement, this is Cherry Creek schools, and less than 50% of our students can read, write, and do math at grade level.
[21:24] Molly Lamar: Um, and I, you know, we, we spent $3 million on a program on.
[21:31] Molly Lamar: Um, that's, that was part of the investigation that, um, ultimately got the chief of HR fired.
[21:39] Molly Lamar: Um, and we've, we've removed these P some of the people at the top.
[21:45] Molly Lamar: Um, but we still have some bad actors, um, at, at the helm, the CFO, uh, this is the fellow who is writing the check.
[21:54] Molly Lamar: you know, six-figure payouts for exiting administrators that frankly do not deserve them.
[22:02] Molly Lamar: I mean, that they're under investigation.
[22:06] Molly Lamar: And then we have the chief legal counsel who has approved these contracts.
[22:11] Molly Lamar: And her job is to protect the district and ensure that we're compliant with state and federal laws.
[22:23] Molly Lamar: Um, and so here we are, you know, under federal investigation, we're in the news constantly.
[22:29] Molly Lamar: I've been on, I've been on the radio with you for what, two or three months now.
[22:35] Molly Lamar: Um, and, and it's, it's, it's embarrassing.
[22:40] Molly Lamar: Um, and our frontline workers are taking the financial hits.
[22:44] Molly Lamar: Um, the, the top heavy leadership has been a carousel of scandals and resignations.
[22:50] Molly Lamar: The teachers the other night were told that they're facing a staggering 20% hike in their health insurance premiums, yet the district, because we don't have any money, is only able to provide a 1.25% cost of living increase.
[23:13] Molly Lamar: We will not continue to have good teachers stay with us.
[23:19] Molly Lamar: they'll go elsewhere where they're, you know, they're being paid for showing up every day.
[23:28] Molly Lamar: And, you know, we've continued to make things harder and harder for teachers in Colorado, and especially in Cherry Creek.
[23:39] Molly Lamar: I was sent a document anonymously by a teacher that talked about the very reason that the school district is being investigated.
[23:48] Molly Lamar: It's a training that has teachers apply discipline based on culture, not based on behavior.
[24:11] Kim Monson: So, Molly, you actually have seen that document.
[24:14] Kim Monson: I looked at this a little bit yesterday that what is it?
[24:19] Kim Monson: It was community of color or something.
[24:21] Kim Monson: I can't remember what it was now at Cherry Creek School District.
[24:24] Kim Monson: We have a committee called Voices of Color.
[24:30] Kim Monson: That you would treat a child differently or a family differently because of the color of their skin.
[24:39] Kim Monson: You're saying that you actually have seen a document that said that?
[24:50] Molly Lamar: The training that was sent to me, the document that was sent to me was based on discipline.
[24:59] Molly Lamar: Apparently, this is a district-wide initiative that teachers have been told they'll see a lot more of in this next coming year.
[25:08] Molly Lamar: But, you know, and we just had a board member step down, resign due to racist and sexualized comments towards the community.
[25:20] Molly Lamar: And yet then we turn around and appoint Keith Frazier, who serves on the Committee of Voices of Color, the very committee that is under federal investigation.
[25:33] Molly Lamar: I mean, Kim, you can't make this stuff up.
[25:39] Kim Monson: Well, and this really falls at the feet, though, of the school board directors because they are elected by the people to be a conduit.
[25:53] Kim Monson: So we all can't be in the management of the school district in our constitutional republic.
[25:59] Kim Monson: We elect representatives to be representatives of we the people to educate our children so that they can read, write, do arithmetic, know history, be able to think critically, no matter what color their skin is.
[26:21] Kim Monson: And so this then goes to the elections of the school board directors.
[26:26] Kim Monson: But what we're seeing many times is when people are running for office, they say what they know people want to hear.
[26:33] Kim Monson: Hey, we're going to strive for excellence in this school district.
[26:37] Kim Monson: But then they have been part of this agenda as well.
[26:47] Molly Lamar: Unfortunately, and this is, you know, Cherry Creek is not the only school district that is facing corruption and being upside down.
[26:56] Molly Lamar: It really, the people at the top in these districts have done a tremendous disservice to our schools, to the community, to our students.
[27:05] Molly Lamar: And it's time for parents, taxpayers, and educators to finally do something.
[27:13] Molly Lamar: We need an absolute top to bottom clean out of the administrative gatekeepers.
[27:18] Molly Lamar: We have to demand true fiscal transparency, return the authority to our classrooms, not, you know, stop judging children based on the colors of their skin and start spending public money on educating children rather than protecting the bureaucracy.
[27:35] Molly Lamar: So, um, people can follow me on Molly for co-kids on Facebook.
[27:43] Molly Lamar: In Cherry Creek, we take a month off here.
[27:45] Molly Lamar: Our next school board meeting will be August 10th, but we have started the search for our new superintendent.
[27:54] Molly Lamar: I was just gonna say real quick, we were sitting in this board meeting and our interim superintendent, you know, we're listening to this doom and gloom budget presentation and our interim superintendent
[28:09] Molly Lamar: It happens to be so tone deaf that she grabs the microphone and excitedly shouts that she's off to Greece.
[28:22] Molly Lamar: Meanwhile, and it's a personal trip and it's not that she doesn't deserve to go, you know, take a break.
[28:27] Molly Lamar: But it's a little bit like when you're, you know, we teach our children not to announce that they're going to a really fun birthday party in the middle of their classroom.
[28:38] Molly Lamar: And these teachers and staff are hearing about losing their jobs.
[28:48] Kim Monson: So anyway, it is out of touch because the salaries that she's making is being paid for by the taxpayers who this, this contract between the taxpayers and the administration is, is that you are going to make sure that our kids can read, write and do arithmetic and, and,
[29:09] Kim Monson: here all of us are working diligently paying our property taxes.
[29:13] Kim Monson: This is the other thing is this bond, these mill levy overrides that goes into our property taxes and property taxes have been going up, up and up and up and up.
[29:23] Kim Monson: So here every, you know, entrepreneurs are working diligently to make all the ends meet.
[29:29] Kim Monson: And then you have a paid government employee, uh, jump up and announce that she's going to Greece.
[29:36] Kim Monson: It, that actually kind of, that, that, that,
[29:38] Kim Monson: Makes me a little hot, I will say, Molly Lamar.
[29:43] Molly Lamar: I mean, I couldn't believe, I thought, how, the audacity, wow.
[29:48] Molly Lamar: And I'll tell you, I mean, you know, I'm a K-12 graduate.
[29:52] Molly Lamar: I live in the same neighborhood in which I grew up.
[29:55] Molly Lamar: I have never, but Cherry Creek will not get one more red cent
[30:00] Molly Lamar: until they do an about-face and get their act together.
[30:03] Molly Lamar: They will be pushing for a bond, another bond, in 2028, and not until you get it together.
[30:14] Kim Monson: The answer is no, and I think Jeff is going to ask for one now.
[30:17] Kim Monson: Hey, Molly Lamar, thank you so much for keeping us up to speed on what's happening there.
[30:22] Kim Monson: These important discussions happen.
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[32:39] Show open announcer: Thank God it's on.
[32:40] Kim Monson: Indeed, it is Friday, and we have on the line with us Chris Harris, and he is a real trooper.
[32:46] Kim Monson: He is a retired Border Patrol agent at the San Diego sector and wanted to get an update on immigration and all.
[32:56] Kim Monson: And in booking this, the spot that I had was 530 his time.
[33:02] Kim Monson: Chris Harris, thank you for doing this for us.
[33:09] Chris Harris: was no longer having to get up at 4.30 in the dark to be at work before 6 a.m.
[33:14] Chris Harris: But you are an exception that I'm glad to make.
[33:20] Kim Monson: And I got mixed up on what day this was.
[33:23] Kim Monson: I was thinking this was the 14th of June.
[33:26] Kim Monson: So I was talking about Flag Day today.
[33:31] Kim Monson: Flag Day is June 14th, which I knew that, but that's Sunday.
[33:35] Kim Monson: And he said his mother's birthday was on this day in 1933.
[33:39] Kim Monson: And he says, you can remember by the F in both flag and 14.
[33:45] Kim Monson: It's Donald Trump's birthday, as well as my friend Sue Kinfield's birthday.
[33:49] Kim Monson: And we'll be talking about Flag Day in the next hour.
[33:52] Kim Monson: But Chris Harris, well, California, there's a lot going on just north of you.
[33:58] Kim Monson: This Los Angeles mayor's race was wild.
[34:06] Chris Harris: I generally try to stick within law enforcement, national security and border issues.
[34:11] Chris Harris: But I have a lot of friends and family that live up there.
[34:15] Chris Harris: I've spoken with my wife's originally from Mexico.
[34:18] Chris Harris: I'm proud to have watched her become a U.S. citizen.
[34:20] Chris Harris: So she has a lot of family of Mexican descent who were actually born in Mexico up in L.A.
[34:20] Chris Harris: And they're actually more conservative than the press wants you to believe.
[34:30] Chris Harris: Two of her children have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.
[34:35] Chris Harris: They're not buying that that election went the way they're saying.
[34:42] Chris Harris: They know a lot of people that have voted for Pratt.
[34:50] Chris Harris: These are anecdotal stories from direct family and friends that did not vote for what
[34:56] Chris Harris: were being alleged to have been voted for, and they're surprised by the outcome.
[35:02] Kim Monson: Thank you for that anecdotal comment.
[35:07] Kim Monson: Immigration, ICE, it seems to me like the rhetoric has maybe toned down a little bit, or am I just not paying as much attention to the headlines?
[35:22] Chris Harris: Well, I mean, you have the daily rioting, which is different than protesting.
[35:31] Chris Harris: You know, most people in law enforcement are very attuned to that peaceful protest is fine.
[35:35] Chris Harris: You have the rioting in New Jersey outside the ICE detention facility pretty much every night.
[35:41] Chris Harris: It's toned down now that the Jersey State Police, who don't mess around, I'm originally from New York, have been allowed to enforce laws.
[35:50] Chris Harris: So it's toned down, but that's still happening.
[35:54] Chris Harris: You know, it's kind of a cause for the left anymore is anything that's ICE or immigration enforcement, which is rather bizarre because besides being a Border Patrol agent, I was with the Union Border Patrol Council for many years.
[36:09] Chris Harris: I was director of political affairs out in a big chunk of California.
[36:14] Chris Harris: And I used to meet with Democrats all the time, including senators and their staffers.
[36:17] Chris Harris: who understood that deporting and removing people that were here illegally and then went on further to commit crimes was a good thing.
[36:31] Chris Harris: Whether you like this administration, this President Trump or not, it seems to be kind of sad that anything that happens under why he's president, you have to hate because you hate him so much.
[36:42] Chris Harris: And I think it's a real issue that people...
[36:45] Chris Harris: Maybe look back at their own past belief system and say, hey, not too many years ago, you didn't mind criminal aliens being removed.
[36:53] Chris Harris: But now you're rioting and protesting for them.
[37:00] Chris Harris: And the reason is that there is I don't want to say a schism, but there's two sorts of beliefs in the government with Customs and Border Protection, which U.S. Border Patrol falls under or ICE.
[37:12] Chris Harris: Under DHS, Department of Homeland Security, we all fall under them.
[37:16] Chris Harris: The two thoughts are get out there and do a lot of raids and start really mass deporting people that are here illegally, especially those who came in the last few years that really abused the asylum system under the past administration.
[37:30] Chris Harris: And then there's the other school thought that we should just really be targeted and going after the worst of the worst.
[37:37] Chris Harris: The people that say we should only go after the worst of the worst are afraid of the opposite.
[37:42] Chris Harris: And they're afraid that we'll, you know, that Republicans and conservatives, that people that want immigration enforcement will lose the midterms.
[37:49] Chris Harris: So that pretty much all immigration enforcement will stop again as it came close to doing under the Biden administration.
[37:56] Chris Harris: So I understand both sides of the coin of immigration enforcement.
[38:00] Chris Harris: Why right now we're seeing maybe a little less of the larger deportation efforts and more of targeted deportation.
[38:08] Chris Harris: Because the optics and the media, let's face it, the media is generally pretty biased.
[38:15] Chris Harris: And they're going to make it look as bad as they can, again, because this administration is hated.
[38:21] Chris Harris: So I think you were very right, Kim, that you're seeing a little bit difference and the rhetoric turned down somewhat.
[38:27] Chris Harris: But again, I don't understand why people are upset when we are removing, arresting and removing, especially criminalized.
[38:40] Chris Harris: And it boggles my mind because even if you're here illegally and, you know, if you entered here illegally, you're here illegally.
[38:48] Chris Harris: Most people in that community, even if, you know, like you said, they're here, their status is being here illegally.
[38:54] Chris Harris: They don't want convicted pedophiles, drug dealers, violent people next to them or their families.
[39:00] Chris Harris: So it's really weird to me why certain segments of the left
[39:04] Chris Harris: really use this as a big cause to rally behind.
[39:09] Chris Harris: And that's something that still kind of boggles my mind.
[39:14] Kim Monson: While you're saying that, I had seen, I think, a guy that had written in The Federalist.
[39:20] Kim Monson: And the title of the article, I did not read the whole thing, but I thought this was interesting.
[39:24] Kim Monson: He said, America is not a country born of immigrants.
[39:34] Kim Monson: And I thought that was really an interesting thought.
[39:38] Kim Monson: People that have come here to settle in, to go after their American dream, I'd never even contemplated that, Chris Harris.
[39:47] Chris Harris: I've seen that and words to that effect by others who are very profound thinkers and give this a lot of thought.
[39:56] Chris Harris: People coming to a land, again, there were people that lived here, the Native Americans, but
[40:01] Chris Harris: nowhere near, you know, as many people as there are now, obviously, and carved out a nation from, you know, uninhabited in areas, not obviously land.
[40:13] Chris Harris: I'll give you a little thing that even is something related to that.
[40:18] Chris Harris: My wife will speak of this, that when her family came here from Mexico, and she was born in Mexico, that they came here, she said, to work and to be part of the American dream.
[40:31] Chris Harris: They went through the process to assimilate and become U.S. citizens.
[40:36] Chris Harris: Her father said, you speak Spanish in the house, but you speak English outside of the house.
[40:43] Chris Harris: And she said, and she's worked for the county, for social services.
[40:55] Chris Harris: And she has stories to tell about the corruption that goes on there.
[40:59] Chris Harris: She said that she has noticed a difference.
[41:01] Chris Harris: in the last X amount of decades, between people that came here and were coming here to work hard and become part of America, and that people are coming here now, they don't want to be part of America.
[41:14] Chris Harris: And she has noticed this from the job she's had and just from her fellow community of people from other nations, especially Hispanic nations, that a lot are coming here not to assimilate and not to become part of the U.S. and part of the American dream.
[41:30] Chris Harris: Because what happens then is you get the balkanization of the United States, which is what basically happened to Yugoslavia.
[41:36] Chris Harris: Yugoslavia was a country, a sovereign nation state that was held together by Tito.
[41:40] Chris Harris: They're basically a semi-benign communist dictator.
[41:45] Chris Harris: But when he died, that country flew apart because they had no unifying values.
[41:49] Chris Harris: They had no unifying religion or societal things going on.
[41:55] Chris Harris: And that's why I think we're seeing this country kind of like the balkanization of this country.
[41:58] Chris Harris: And so, yeah, I think there is a difference between people that the settler mentality and just kind of coming here to get what they can get.
[42:07] Kim Monson: Well, and so with that, Chris Harris, because I've had some conversations and I guess this falls into what you're saying.
[42:13] Kim Monson: There's two different schools of thought.
[42:15] Kim Monson: But I think that most Americans can agree that if you have come here to hurt us and
[42:24] Kim Monson: If you are a criminal in your country of origin or a criminal here in the United States, you've got to go.
[42:33] Kim Monson: If you've come here to live off of the American taxpayer, you've got to go.
[42:37] Kim Monson: And even if you've come in here legally under some of these refugee regulations,
[42:43] Kim Monson: resettlement, asylee programs, if you are not going to assimilate to America, I think you got to go.
[42:52] Kim Monson: And most people can agree, at least on those particular points.
[42:59] Chris Harris: I think most people should agree on those points.
[43:01] Chris Harris: But I think there's a large chunk of people that no longer do.
[43:05] Chris Harris: And again, I think it's a visceral hatred for the president.
[43:10] Chris Harris: But I talked to a lot of people that are left of center.
[43:13] Chris Harris: who don't disagree, don't agree with that anymore.
[43:16] Chris Harris: Um, I mean, why we have sanctuary States that are put into place by elected officials in places like California.
[43:23] Chris Harris: I'm going to give you a perfect example of this.
[43:25] Chris Harris: Uh, a few years ago, I think it was 2022 up in the Sacramento area.
[43:30] Chris Harris: Um, there was an individual here that was here illegally.
[43:33] Chris Harris: Um, and, and he, he, he had, he had had numerous arrests, uh, including for domestic violence.
[43:42] Chris Harris: He was he was released from the county jail after assaulting a peace officer after driving under the influence.
[43:52] Chris Harris: They could not notify ICE because the sanctuary state laws.
[43:56] Chris Harris: He was at a church under a church supervisor, supervised visit with his three children, three daughters and a church chaperone slash moderator.
[44:07] Chris Harris: And he shot and killed his three daughters and the church moderator and shot himself.
[44:11] Chris Harris: And again, as the sheriff said, the California sheriff in Sacramento said that this could have been alleviated, mitigated, stopped, if they had been able to honor the ICE detention hold that had been placed on this individual, and they were not allowed to honor them.
[44:31] Chris Harris: So when this guy got arrested for gun possession, which is illegal for an illegal, somebody here illegally to own a weapon, and DUI and domestic violence,
[44:40] Chris Harris: He was left to lead the jail if he served his time.
[44:43] Chris Harris: He should have been turned over the ice and removed.
[44:49] Chris Harris: And this is sanctuary laws that people in California, a lot of them seem to be OK with.
[44:54] Chris Harris: And I didn't hear a word won against from mothers against drunk drivers or women's groups because this guy had serious domestic violence charges.
[45:02] Chris Harris: His wife had a restraining order against him and dead silence on the left.
[45:07] Chris Harris: and for groups that are more liberal about this individual not being here.
[45:12] Chris Harris: In fact, an immigration lawyer said, oh, this has to do with immigration.
[45:20] Chris Harris: An illegal alien, somebody who illegally cannot own a weapon and under domestic violence with a restraining order can't.
[45:31] Chris Harris: And so unfortunately, I'm seeing a huge amount of people now
[45:35] Chris Harris: that seem to be okay with a lot of people with criminal histories that are here to remain.
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[50:04] Kim Monson: He's a retired border agent in the San Diego sector regarding immigration.
[50:11] Kim Monson: Such important points that you've brought forward.
[50:13] Kim Monson: What else should people know about this immigration issue right now here in the United States?
[50:20] Chris Harris: The fact is, I want us to get back to all well-meaning people, all decent people, people that don't hate the U.S. or have an agenda against the U.S. or capitalism or our society or the Constitution, just well-meaning people, to get back to the understanding and the belief, which was not that many years ago, that we are a sovereign nation.
[50:39] Chris Harris: Every sovereign nation in the world has the right to have their own borders and decide who comes in and for how long.
[50:49] Chris Harris: You have a right to allow people not to enter, to tell people they can't enter.
[50:53] Chris Harris: You have a right to allow people to enter as guests and then tell them they have to leave at a certain time.
[50:57] Chris Harris: Or if they behave a certain way in your house, they're going to be removed or asked to leave.
[51:03] Chris Harris: And I want moderates and independents to get back to that.
[51:06] Chris Harris: And not fall into the hole, any enforcement, any acts of responsibility are somehow oppressive or bad or evil.
[51:14] Chris Harris: Enforcing the laws that have been duly constituted by Congress and signed into law by President and have not been ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court are the laws of the land.
[51:26] Chris Harris: And when you had over the last administration, 10 to 12 million people entered that should not have entered.
[51:31] Chris Harris: We need to address that and rebalance that.
[51:34] Chris Harris: And we need to get back to saying, people that come here that bring value to our country, that need to come here, that want to come here, that want to assimilate, we welcome you.
[51:43] Chris Harris: But those who just come here because they want something, or they're coming here to do harm to this country, be it jumping the fence or coming on a visa or whatever, they need to go.
[51:53] Chris Harris: That's not, no nation state in the history of the world has been able to survive if they can't control their borders, just ask the Roman Empire.
[52:02] Chris Harris: So I just want people to understand that, that
[52:05] Chris Harris: We have probably over 30 million, by the metrics the U.S. Border Patrol uses, which are pretty accurate, we have over 30 million people that are in this country that shouldn't be here.
[52:14] Chris Harris: And we need to try to get a rebalance on that.
[52:16] Chris Harris: We need to secure the borders, and we need to remove people that shouldn't be here.
[52:21] Chris Harris: And where that is exactly, that's going to go back and forth, but we need to accept the premise that we can, as a sovereign nation state,
[52:29] Chris Harris: for our own well-being, for the well-being of our nation, well-being of our communities, for our families, our friends, our loved ones, our children, we have the right to enforce those laws that have been on the books for decades.
[52:41] Chris Harris: And enforcing them has nothing to do with I hate Trump or I don't like him or anything of that nature.
[52:47] Chris Harris: And specifically people that are here that shouldn't be here, they're committing further crimes.
[52:55] Chris Harris: making them martyrs and saying, look, they came here illegally to begin with and they committed more crime.
[53:01] Chris Harris: Or they came here illegally and they have been on our welfare system for years.
[53:14] Chris Harris: It's ridiculous how much is being lost to graft and fraud and to people that shouldn't really receive it.
[53:22] Chris Harris: So as an American people, we need to accept that we do have laws.
[53:25] Chris Harris: And we're going to enforce them and that they generally protect the country itself and the people therein.
[53:32] Chris Harris: And stop, stop vilifying everybody in the U.S. Border Patrol or ICE, whoever, who are doing these laws, who are enforcing duly enacted constitutional law.
[53:43] Kim Monson: Chris Harris, as you're talking about this, under the Biden administration, 10 to 12 million people came into this country.
[53:50] Kim Monson: We remember seeing the headlines and the photos of these caravans that were coming to the border, demanding to come into the country.
[54:02] Kim Monson: This is undermining the United States of America.
[54:07] Kim Monson: It's unbelievable to me that we have people in elected office, all the way from municipal government up to the Biden administration, the presidential office, that are doing things that actually are undermining the United States of America.
[54:28] Kim Monson: I think that's hard for some people to get their brain around.
[54:32] Chris Harris: It was for me, and I wanted to give the last administration the benefit of the doubt.
[54:37] Chris Harris: And at first I thought maybe it was kind of like misfeasance.
[54:39] Chris Harris: They had hired people, young kids out of college, you know, naive, and, you know, they believed in this open border thing.
[54:47] Chris Harris: But then the more I saw, the more I was involved with it, I realized that on some people's parts it was malfeasance.
[54:54] Chris Harris: One of the first caravans that came up in 2018 –
[54:57] Chris Harris: After Joe Biden undid what President Trump did his first term under executive order, which was to to limit the amnesty program, which was being grossly misused and abused, he undid all that.
[55:10] Chris Harris: And so one of the first caravans that came up that hit us here in San Diego, our intelligence through the border patrol, they have a great intelligence people and great intelligence units.
[55:22] Chris Harris: A lot of it, the money, the sponsorship, the organization came from a couple of groups.
[55:26] Chris Harris: One of them was George Soros from his group, but the other was Venezuelan intelligence, which means Cuban intelligence and Russian intelligence.
[55:36] Chris Harris: There are nation states and groups around the world that want to see harm done to the United States, as a society, as a country, to our constitution, to our way of life.
[55:47] Chris Harris: So this was being funded and sponsored by and organized by
[55:52] Chris Harris: money in four nation states that they want to do us harm.
[55:59] Chris Harris: So there are people that want to do this country harm.
[56:03] Chris Harris: And you have to look at why did these numbers skyrocket?
[56:06] Chris Harris: Why were their caravans allowed to come in?
[56:09] Chris Harris: Why were these people that are angry, that are chanting, that they hate the U.S. if they want to come into the United States?
[56:15] Chris Harris: I mean, again, I just want to put it more as a microcosm.
[56:19] Chris Harris: home um it could be an apartment but it's where you live and somebody's at your door banging on and demanding entry and basically saying he's going to harm you and your family nobody's going to let them in why as a nation state do we have we done so that that makes no sense that that is that is societal suicide and and again i i want decent people to wake up to that and say you know what not not it's not going to happen anymore we have the right to decide who comes in
[56:48] Chris Harris: And if we do let you in as a guest, we can remove you when you misbehave.
[56:52] Chris Harris: If somebody comes to your house for a party and they get drunk and start smashing things up, you're going to have them removed.
[56:57] Chris Harris: We have the right as a nation state to do the same thing.
[57:00] Kim Monson: Chris Harris, just great wisdom on this.
[57:04] Kim Monson: And thank you for being such a trooper to join us so early Pacific time.
[57:12] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is Calvin Coolidge regarding the flag.
[57:20] Kim Monson: Peace, security, liberty, our family, our friends, our home.
[57:24] Kim Monson: But when we look at our flag and behold it's emblazoned with all our rights, we must remember that it is equally a symbol of our duties.
[57:32] Kim Monson: Every glory that we associate with it is the result of duty done.
[57:36] Kim Monson: So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[59:24] Kim Monson: And that hour number one with Chris Harris and Molly Lamar as well.
[59:29] Kim Monson: Really important information regarding Cherry Creek School District and then immigration.
[59:37] Kim Monson: Border Patrol agent from the San Diego sector.
[59:39] Kim Monson: And if you missed that interview, that will be rebroadcast on all KLZ 560 platforms today at 1.
[59:47] Kim Monson: But you can also get that by going to KimMonson.com.
[59:50] Kim Monson: We will have the show recap and the audio for that posted by noon today.
[59:59] Kim Monson: So Flag Day is on Sunday, the 14th.
[60:07] Kim Monson: For some reason, I thought today was the 14th.
[60:10] Kim Monson: So since we will not be broadcasting the Kim Monson Show on Sunday, we are going to be talking about it with...
[60:19] Kim Monson: Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force.
[60:22] Kim Monson: And in fact, he is our guest on America's Veterans Stories.
[60:27] Kim Monson: He had said, Kim, have you ever heard of Medal of Honor recipient Joe Foss?
[60:34] Kim Monson: And he said, I think that we should do a show on him.
[60:38] Kim Monson: He was a pilot in World War II and the Battle of Aquatic.
[60:43] Kim Monson: Now, I think he, I'm doing this from memory now, I think he shot down 23 Japanese planes.
[60:49] Kim Monson: And so that will be part one regarding Joe Foss this Sunday, 3 to 4 p.m.
[60:58] Kim Monson: But Colonel Rutledge and I will be talking about our flag here as our featured guest in this hour.
[61:07] Kim Monson: And first definition is a small territorial division of a country, especially one of the states of Switzerland.
[61:17] Kim Monson: Number two, it could be a subdivision of an era de cement in France.
[61:22] Kim Monson: I need to learn what that word means.
[61:24] Kim Monson: And number three, this is how I'm using it, a small square division of a shield, usually in the upper right corner.
[61:30] Kim Monson: And so the canton of the American flag is the blue background with the stars for each of the states, and that is called the canton.
[61:39] Kim Monson: And so your challenge is to use that word in a sentence today.
[61:43] Kim Monson: Our quote of the day comes from the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values.
[61:49] Kim Monson: And the center is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk.
[61:53] Kim Monson: And they are going to have an on values presentation on the 23rd featuring Medal of Honor recipient Barney Barnum.
[62:01] Kim Monson: He and Drew Dix, Drew Dix is a co-founder of the center, are quite good friends.
[62:05] Kim Monson: And that can be viewed online or in person.
[62:09] Kim Monson: To make your reservation, go to AmericanValueCenter.org.
[62:16] Kim Monson: And the quote of the day is this, from Edward C.
[62:16] Kim Monson: Byers, United States Navy Medal of Honor recipient.
[62:22] Kim Monson: These are actions that were taken December 8 and 9 in 2012.
[62:30] Kim Monson: And he said this, I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans, always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves.
[62:38] Kim Monson: Brave men fought and died, building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold.
[62:53] Kim Monson: And so this is his quote from the Medal of Honor quote book.
[62:57] Kim Monson: And again, you can order that by going to AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org.
[63:04] Kim Monson: And our flag is a symbol, really, of all that America is.
[63:10] Kim Monson: And when it's disrespected, it's really disrespecting all of this.
[63:16] Kim Monson: And so we're going to talk about all of this when we talk with Colonel Bill Rutledge in segments two, three, and four.
[63:24] Kim Monson: I'm hoping, do we have Teddy on the line right now?
[63:30] Kim Monson: co-owner of Spartan Defense, which is a family-owned firearm store in Colorado Springs.
[63:37] Kim Monson: He's also stepping forward to run for state senate.
[63:47] Kim Monson: And running up to Flag Day, we're going to be focusing on the flag.
[63:51] Kim Monson: And there are those from the very beginning of our country that have been stepping forward to serve, whether or not it is as a representative or in the military.
[64:04] Kim Monson: You are stepping forward to run for state house.
[64:08] Kim Monson: So explain to us why and how is the campaign going?
[64:12] Teddy Collins: Yeah, so I just see a great need for change in Colorado.
[64:15] Teddy Collins: Obviously, I'm in one of the industries that's being most affected by the Colorado legislator.
[64:19] Teddy Collins: We're the sixth most regulated state now in the state of Colorado with over 205,000 regulations.
[64:25] Teddy Collins: We're one of the least friendly places to do business.
[64:30] Teddy Collins: We've lost over 12,000 jobs since last year, high-paying jobs, including some of the biggest companies in the United States like
[64:36] Teddy Collins: Palantir and, uh, Remax, they moved out of Colorado now.
[64:40] Teddy Collins: So there's some fiction that needs to be done up in Denver and I plan to get some things done.
[64:46] Kim Monson: Well, and, uh, yes, this beautiful state that I moved to, it's not the state that, that it was.
[64:55] Kim Monson: And it's because of terrible policies coming out of the state house, the governor's office, as well as many municipalities, such as Denver, this Denver that I loved, um,
[65:12] Kim Monson: And we can get all of these things turned around by having people run for office.
[65:19] Kim Monson: And so how can people get more information about your campaign?
[65:24] Teddy Collins: So I have a website Collins for Colorado.com spelled out.
[65:30] Teddy Collins: You can also follow me on social media on X and Facebook and Instagram and
[65:34] Teddy Collins: I'll be there for information going on in the campaign.
[65:37] Teddy Collins: A lot of very important races, though, going on this session, going on this election season.
[65:42] Teddy Collins: We need to make sure that we get so your viewers know we're only six seats away from the Senate majority.
[65:47] Teddy Collins: It's very potentially possible for us to do that this election season.
[65:52] Teddy Collins: If conservatives and people who really care about Colorado show up in force and vote the right way.
[65:57] Kim Monson: Well, and the word conservative, there are those that have tried to demonize the word.
[66:02] Kim Monson: And so I've really thought about the word conservative, Teddy Collins.
[66:06] Kim Monson: And what I think it really means is to conserve and preserve these ideas that are our founding, that all men are created equal with rights from God of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
[66:23] Kim Monson: That government does not pick winners and losers.
[66:27] Kim Monson: And that government stays in its proper role.
[66:29] Kim Monson: That's what conservative means to me.
[66:32] Kim Monson: And I think if we articulate that to people, that that is what conservative means is this great opportunity of America.
[66:40] Kim Monson: We want that for each and every person.
[66:42] Kim Monson: And we don't want government picking winners and losers.
[66:53] Kim Monson: Oh, gosh, I guess he just dropped off.
[66:55] Kim Monson: I don't know, Joe, if you can get him quickly.
[66:57] Kim Monson: I'd love to hear his thoughts on that.
[66:59] Kim Monson: I know he's out there campaigning, and so that means sometimes they're calling in when they're driving around.
[67:04] Kim Monson: So let's see if you can get him back here.
[67:07] Kim Monson: But, yes, language is so important.
[67:11] Kim Monson: In fact, Jenny, one of our listeners, will text me on a regular basis how important language is.
[67:21] Kim Monson: And so that's why this word conservative, instead of just letting the radical activist left try to define what that is exactly.
[67:33] Kim Monson: We need to actually Teddy's trying to call in on my line, Joe.
[67:37] Kim Monson: So hopefully you're going to get him on the studio line.
[67:40] Kim Monson: And we need to, I think, challenge when those people try to demonize the word conservative, explain that it is to conserve this great American idea that all men are created equal.
[67:52] Kim Monson: And then we move over to Molly Lamar over at Cherry Creek School District, where they are disciplining children differently because of their color, their skin.
[68:00] Kim Monson: That is antithetical to the American idea.
[68:03] Kim Monson: So, Teddy Collins, I'd set this whole thing up regarding the word conservative, that it means conserving this idea of America.
[68:14] Teddy Collins: I mean, our founding fathers believed in liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
[68:18] Teddy Collins: They believed in government not invading your life, not being restrictive or tyrannical.
[68:25] Teddy Collins: That's the whole reason we had the Revolutionary War.
[68:27] Teddy Collins: And it's unfortunate, you know, at our 250th year anniversary as a nation that we have forgot that so soon.
[68:33] Teddy Collins: You know, Mark Twain didn't necessarily say history repeats itself, but he said it has a rhythm.
[68:40] Teddy Collins: And I think that's the stage we are in in life because many people have forgot their history and where we come from and why we have our country set up in the individual way that we have our country set up versus all these other countries in the world.
[68:53] Teddy Collins: There is no country where you have more opportunities than the United States of America.
[68:58] Kim Monson: Well, and that is why it is essential that the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press.
[69:07] Kim Monson: The Second Amendment is put in place to protect those things.
[69:12] Kim Monson: And we are seeing the First Amendment is under attack as well as the Second Amendment.
[69:17] Kim Monson: And we're talking with Chris Harris in our number one regarding immigration.
[69:24] Kim Monson: a retired border patrol agent in the San Diego sector.
[69:27] Kim Monson: And he shared the story of an illegal immigrant in Sacramento that had DUI, domestic violence, all kinds of stuff.
[69:38] Kim Monson: And he'd been arrested and ICE was not notified when he was released.
[69:44] Kim Monson: And he ends up killing his three daughters and someone at the church that they were attending.
[69:53] Kim Monson: And so when the bad guys have firearms, it's the good guys that have firearms that can stop them.
[70:01] Kim Monson: And when we see legislation down here at the statehouse that's trying to prevent good people to have firearms and yet also sanctuary policies, those two things don't match up, Teddy Collins.
[70:17] Teddy Collins: And that's why it's so important for people to exercise their Second Amendment rights and to vote 2A at the end of the day.
[70:26] Teddy Collins: But at the end of the day, the Second Amendment, the entire purpose was to put in check a tyrannical government.
[70:30] Teddy Collins: And without it, we wouldn't have any of the liberties we have in this country.
[70:33] Teddy Collins: So very important for people to exercise those rights.
[70:36] Teddy Collins: You know, we do have some new laws coming up in August people need to be aware of.
[70:39] Teddy Collins: So I would get what you need to get beforehand.
[70:40] Teddy Collins: Otherwise, you might find yourself sitting in a two-day class
[70:43] Teddy Collins: and having to go to the sheriff to get fingerprinted and licensed in order to purchase a semi-automatic firearm.
[70:49] Teddy Collins: And then also, just one last little thing I wanted to leave you guys with, Kim.
[70:53] Teddy Collins: Today, we'll be announcing a lawsuit against the state on some of their newest anti-gun bills at Centennial Gun Club at 1.30.
[71:00] Teddy Collins: We'll be having a press conference and announcing a new lawsuit from the Colorado State Shooting Association.
[71:07] Kim Monson: Teddy Collins, what is the website for your campaign and for Spartan Defense?
[71:12] Teddy Collins: Yeah, it's collinsforcolorado.com for the campaign and for Spartan Defense.
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[75:29] Kim Monson: And on the line with me is a fan favorite at the Kim Monson Show.
[75:33] Kim Monson: And that is Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 97 years young.
[75:39] Kim Monson: He's traveled the world and has this curiosity for people and places and history.
[75:46] Kim Monson: And it's so great to have him on the line.
[75:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, good morning, Kim.
[75:52] Kim Monson: And this Sunday, the 14th of June, is Flag Day.
[75:57] Kim Monson: And so I wanted to do a show about the flag.
[76:01] Kim Monson: And Flag Day was, let's see, was the Continental Congress resolved that the flag of the United States be 13 stripes, alternate red and white, 13 white stars on a blue field?
[76:17] Kim Monson: And they made that declaration on June 14th, 1777.
[76:24] Kim Monson: And so we've had this flag for quite some time.
[76:28] Kim Monson: So where in particular, do you want me to go through some more history of the flag, or shall we just kind of jump in how important it is?
[76:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, I sort of tailed in on your previous comments a moment ago about freedom.
[76:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: I think that the American flag throughout the world is the best representative of freedom.
[76:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: And we were the first of all the nations that are in existence now that I know of that gained their freedom and therefore the first one that had a flag that represented our form of government and our people well.
[77:15] Kim Monson: Well, and the American flag is a symbol of freedom.
[77:20] Kim Monson: And now I'm trying to remember this movie.
[77:25] Kim Monson: It's a beautiful something or rather it was about a Jewish family.
[77:35] Kim Monson: And the child was with, I think, the father.
[77:40] Kim Monson: And they had put the males in one part of the concentration camp and females in the other.
[77:50] Kim Monson: the husband and wife would sing to each other so that they knew each other were alive.
[77:55] Kim Monson: But anyway, and the child was hidden while they were in the concentration camp.
[78:01] Kim Monson: And at the very end of the movie, around the corner comes a tank with the Americans, with the flag on that, and they knew that they would be freed.
[78:13] Kim Monson: And I thought that was just an amazing symbol, and I hadn't really thought about it until you just mentioned that, Colonel Rutledge.
[78:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, I, the flank, I mean, the flag is so representative, um, that it, um, is very strong within the military.
[78:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: Um, that is really more central, um, than any other, um, flying of that.
[78:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And, uh, and it's, it's been used in battle and, um, but everyday citizens
[78:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: so frequently don't understand the protocol on it.
[78:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: And there are so many things that must be done.
[78:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: One thing is that when, for example, play the national anthem, everything stops.
[79:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: Even if the flag is being paraded, it never happens when the national anthem is being played.
[79:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they sort of go together.
[79:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: And we don't normally think of this on Flag Day, but they are sort of like husband and wife.
[79:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: They're a pair.
[79:32] Kim Monson: Well, and the flag, I was doing some research on it, and I thought this was interesting regarding the meaning behind the 13 folds of the United States flag.
[79:44] Kim Monson: And I'm not sure this is the official, but this is what it says.
[79:50] Kim Monson: It says the first fold of our flag is a symbol of life.
[79:54] Kim Monson: The second fold is a symbol of our belief in eternal life.
[79:58] Kim Monson: The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veteran departing our ranks and who gave a portion of his or her life for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world.
[80:08] Kim Monson: The fourth fold represents our weaker nature as American citizens trusting in God.
[80:14] Kim Monson: It is him we turn to in times of peace as well as in times of war.
[80:22] Kim Monson: It says the fifth fold is the tribute to our country.
[80:24] Kim Monson: In the words of Stephen Decatur, our country and dealing with other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong.
[80:32] Kim Monson: It says the sixth fold is for where our hearts lie.
[80:36] Kim Monson: It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of America and the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[80:48] Kim Monson: Then the seventh flag is a tribute to our armed forces, for it is through the armed forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic.
[81:01] Kim Monson: The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mother's Day.
[81:11] Kim Monson: The ninth fold is a tribute to womanhood.
[81:13] Kim Monson: It has been through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that has molded the character of the men and women who have made this country great.
[81:22] Kim Monson: The tenth fold is a tribute to Father, who has also given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since he or she was first born.
[81:30] Kim Monson: The 11th fold represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
[81:38] Kim Monson: The 12th fold represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost.
[81:45] Kim Monson: And the 13th and last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars and stripes are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, In God We Trust.
[81:54] Kim Monson: And I've seen the folding of the flag, but I never knew what each of those folds were symbols for Colonel Rutledge.
[82:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, someone was creative when they wrote that.
[82:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: But quite frankly, from having participated in raising the flag and lowering the flag, and certainly when the flag is lowered, it is folded in a triangular pattern.
[82:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: But
[82:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: I assure you that the person who did that was being very creative, but you couldn't fold that flag 13 times or 12 times.
[82:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's far fewer folds.
[82:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's tradition that when you finish making the fold, the flag forms into a triangle.
[82:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it is stored in that capacity or it is presented to someone should it be at a funeral.
[83:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it's given to the next of kin.
[83:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: That was an idealistic writing, but it was not practical application of the flag folds because there's not that many folds.
[83:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: I could sit in my mind and think, but I would think one, two, three, four.
[83:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: I would be surprised if we're folded more than six or possibly eight folds, but, um, certainly not the numbers that were quoted in that very well written and thought out presentation.
[83:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay.
[83:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: Nor do I think that anybody who was creating a flag or when the Congress was, uh, passing legislation on the 14th of June, 1777,
[83:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: I cannot believe that they ever considered all of those factors when it was actually
[83:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: becoming our national emblem.
[84:02] Kim Monson: Well, and that is a really good point.
[84:04] Kim Monson: And where I found this was military.com.
[84:09] Kim Monson: And so thank you for clarification.
[84:11] Kim Monson: And it is a good reminder of what it could mean, but thank you for the clarification on that.
[84:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's sort of a romanization of someone's ideas that are very nice and very thoughtful, but just so...
[84:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: People don't think that that's the way things really are.
[84:36] Kim Monson: Well, thank you for that clarification.
[84:37] Kim Monson: When we come back, you'd put together some points regarding a flag protocol, which is the real deal for sure on that.
[84:46] Kim Monson: So we're going to continue that discussion with Colonel Bill Rutledge.
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[87:42] Kim Monson: We're talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force.
[87:47] Kim Monson: And Colonel Rutledge, you have a birthday coming up here very soon in July, yes?
[87:52] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[87:54] Kim Monson: And you will be 98 years young, yes?
[87:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[88:02] Kim Monson: And you've traveled the world, and you have this great curiosity for people and places and things, history.
[88:10] Kim Monson: We are going to record an interview on John Hancock for a broadcast for Independence Week.
[88:18] Kim Monson: But we're talking about the flag today because Sunday, June 14th, is Flag Day.
[88:29] Kim Monson: declared by the Continental Congress on June 14, 1777.
[88:35] Kim Monson: But let's talk about flag protocol.
[88:37] Kim Monson: You put together some very important points.
[88:42] Kim Monson: So let's begin with the number one, and that is regarding the flag is never dipped.
[88:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, that's correct.
[88:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: Often, like on television or at some other events, you may see
[88:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: multiple flags from different countries or even other flags that are used by military units or states.
[89:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: But regardless, the U.S. flag takes precedent and it is never dipped to any crown around the world or any person, period.
[89:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: It is always held vertical by the flag bearer.
[89:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then it's moved to a point where it is placed in a flag holder.
[89:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: And again, it's always in a vertical position.
[89:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay.
[89:42] Col. Bill Rutledge: And another thing that's relative is that the flag very often is seen by most people in parades or at special events.
[89:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it's often used in combination with the national anthem.
[90:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: And one thing that's always significant is the national anthem is the one thing that will halt the flag.
[90:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: The flag is never in movement when the national anthem is being played.
[90:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: Everyone is supposed to stop, halt.
[90:22] Col. Bill Rutledge: I want to give you a good example.
[90:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: When I was in Germany,
[90:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: One afternoon, they were having retreats formation.
[90:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: This is when the flag is brought down.
[90:32] Col. Bill Rutledge: And when it is brought down, usually they will play the national anthem.
[90:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: People all over the city or community or air base, in that case, would stop.
[90:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it was just coincidental that my three children were walking up outside and were approaching my office.
[90:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: And when the Star Spangled Banner was played, they were not where they could see it or they couldn't see the flag, but they could hear it.
[91:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: So they stopped immediately and stood at attention and placed their hands over their heart.
[91:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: And my secretary looked out and complimented them on their actions.
[91:25] Kim Monson: Well, it's because they have been taught just to be reverent for everything that the United States flag symbolizes.
[91:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, they were doing what any civilian should do.
[91:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: It wasn't a unique just for military family.
[91:44] Col. Bill Rutledge: This would be true in any environment where you might hear the national anthem being played.
[91:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: Individuals are supposed to stop and stand at a position of attention, remove their hats, unless they are in uniform, and then they salute.
[92:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: And they hold a salute until such time as the national anthem is ended.
[92:16] Kim Monson: Well, in flag protocol, I remember that we were taught that.
[92:22] Kim Monson: Americans today, I don't think, have been taught that in school.
[92:25] Kim Monson: And your second point that you mentioned is when the flag is in a parade, it should be the first display.
[92:31] Kim Monson: And if other flags are displayed, it should be in the center.
[92:35] Kim Monson: I have heard of people saying that they are at a parade and when the flag goes by, in the old days, people would stand and honor the flag.
[92:46] Kim Monson: Now, many times people still just sit on the curb and watch it as more entertainment instead of reverence.
[92:54] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, all people should stand.
[92:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: That is routine, unless there's someone who has a physical disability who cannot stand.
[93:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then if someone is assisting them, they should help them face the direction of the flag.
[93:12] Col. Bill Rutledge: Or if you cannot see the flag, you face the direction of where the sound of the national anthem is coming from.
[93:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: That's just a routine procedure, and it's nothing more than proper courtesy.
[93:33] Kim Monson: And that is a word that I think sometimes people forget.
[93:39] Kim Monson: And so remember when in the NFL, when Colin Kaepernick kneeled regarding the American flag, he was really showing disrespect and he was being very discourteous in doing so.
[93:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: If I had been, um, the owner of the 49ers, um,
[94:02] Col. Bill Rutledge: he would have been fired.
[94:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that would have given a quick sign to other people, and it would have been much more effective.
[94:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: Unfortunately, too frequently, people are reluctant to show proper respect and to take corrective action.
[94:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: But if you take corrective action early,
[94:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: then you're going to stop the flow or a repetition by other people who might follow their example.
[94:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that's what happened with Kaepernick at that time.
[94:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: I never saw him do that when he was still a student in college because I watched him in some of his games.
[94:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: The first time I saw it was when he was playing for San Francisco.
[94:55] Kim Monson: Well, and there's this undercurrent of disrespect for the American idea, and that was, I think, a way that that undercurrent was being shown.
[95:08] Kim Monson: So let's continue on, though, with these different things regarding...
[95:12] Kim Monson: Flag protocol, I think you alluded to this, all military uniforms salute when the flag passes.
[95:19] Kim Monson: If not in uniform, they may salute with their hat or remove their hat and place it over their heart.
[95:24] Kim Monson: And then you also said in military formation, they respond to specific orders, hand salute, eyes right, present arms.
[95:32] Kim Monson: Let's talk now about flag detail though, raising and lowering the colors.
[95:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes, and this relates to this fold you were talking about a little bit earlier.
[95:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: You need two persons in the folding of the flag.
[95:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: One person holds the end of the flag where the blue field with the stars is on.
[95:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: He is the holder.
[95:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: And on the other end, where there are nothing but 13 stripes, that individual holds
[96:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: they stretch it very taut, and then the individual on the end then starts folding the flag in a triangular pattern.
[96:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he will fold a triangle, then he will fold another very slowly, and then when they get true, the field with the stars on top will be the part that is shown.
[96:33] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that is how it will be retired
[96:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: or it would be in that form when it would be presented to a next of kin, whenever that's more appropriate.
[96:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the stars will always be on top.
[96:49] Kim Monson: Right, and I think many of us have seen that triangle flag that might be in a box to exhibit it, and it is, it's a triangle.
[97:01] Kim Monson: What about raising and lowering the flag in the morning and the evening?
[97:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: Right.
[97:08] Col. Bill Rutledge: We have, well, it's not only military, but we used to do this in school all the time when I was in public school.
[97:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: We started school outside with a flag ceremony when the flag was raised.
[97:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: When the flag is raised, it's supposed to be raised promptly.
[97:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: And in turn, in the evening, when the flag is raised,
[97:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: retired or brought down, it is supposed to be brought down slowly.
[97:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: In each case, it's going to relate also to whether there is a band being played or maybe just a bugle.
[97:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that will set the pace.
[97:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: So it's very important that the instruments are coordinated with the procedure on lowering or raising the flag.
[98:02] Kim Monson: Okay, and then what about half-staff?
[98:05] Col. Bill Rutledge: Pardon?
[98:06] Kim Monson: And what about when the flag is flown at half-staff?
[98:09] Col. Bill Rutledge: Okay, when it's flown at half-staff, this is normally in memory of someone very important who is deceased.
[98:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the flag is raised all the way to the top, then it is lowered to the middle of the flagpole.
[98:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: It
[98:30] Col. Bill Rutledge: stays in that position until time to retire or bring the flag down.
[98:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: But then you must reverse the exact procedure.
[98:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: When it's half staffed, then it will be raised all the way to the top.
[98:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: And then it will slowly be brought down as normal procedure.
[98:54] Kim Monson: We're going to continue the discussion regarding flag protocol in honor of Flag Day, which is June 14th, which was declared by the Continental Congress in 1777.
[99:03] Kim Monson: And a great way to honor Flag Day is to make a contribution to the USMC Memorial Foundation for the flags that fly out at the Marine Memorial.
[99:14] Kim Monson: So make that contribution at usmcmemorialfoundation.org and just note on their flag so that Paula Sarlls and her team knows that that is a
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[102:59] Kim Monson: And I'm going to have to rewatch that.
[103:00] Kim Monson: I think during independence week, because it is a beautiful film.
[103:06] Kim Monson: The American GI comes around on a tank with the American flag, and the prisoners knew that they were going to be free.
[103:15] Kim Monson: So again, that movie is Life is Beautiful.
[103:17] Kim Monson: We're talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, and he will be 98 this July.
[103:24] Kim Monson: And he is an avid reader and just this great curiosity about things.
[103:29] Kim Monson: And we're talking about our flag today.
[103:31] Kim Monson: So, Colonel Rutledge, what about a damaged flag or a flag that is worn or outdated?
[103:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: Well, the proper protocol there is to replace the flag with a new, fresh flag.
[103:47] Col. Bill Rutledge: But what you do, you go to some area that is basically private so that the flag can be burned.
[103:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: The flag...
[104:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: That's the proper disposition.
[104:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: You don't throw the flag in a trash.
[104:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: You don't leave it when it looks ragged and is all tattered and worn.
[104:13] Col. Bill Rutledge: It should be replaced with a new flag.
[104:17] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the proper protocol, and this dates back probably centuries, but certainly many, many decades, you go and take it to a proper environment and it is burned.
[104:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, a specific example, when I first came to CSU in 1960, we had a flag in our office that was very old and very tattered.
[104:45] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I saw immediately that it needed to be replaced.
[104:48] Col. Bill Rutledge: So I got a new flag.
[104:50] Col. Bill Rutledge: And I took the old flag to the CSU boiler room and watched the person who was working there
[104:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: put the flag in to the furnace, and it was thoroughly destroyed.
[105:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: And that was the proper thing to do under those circumstances.
[105:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, there's a couple of other things that are relative.
[105:15] Col. Bill Rutledge: One is distress.
[105:18] Col. Bill Rutledge: The flag can be used to indicate distress.
[105:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And what it is, the flag is inverted.
[105:23] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's upside down.
[105:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: And when the flag is flying upside down,
[105:28] Col. Bill Rutledge: it means there is great distress and there is a need for emergency assistance as soon as possible.
[105:38] Kim Monson: And I know that there are some people that think America is in a situation of distress and have flown the flag upside down.
[105:47] Kim Monson: I want to make sure that we get to a couple of these other things, though, and that is regarding the flag in battle.
[105:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[105:57] Col. Bill Rutledge: you've heard the comment about rally round the flag boys.
[106:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: Um, this is very true.
[106:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: Um, the flag, especially in a civil war was used to, um, lead for the people to be led into battle.
[106:14] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it was, um, there were specific battle flags.
[106:19] Col. Bill Rutledge: For example, the, the Confederate flag that we see all the time, um,
[106:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: certainly down in the South, was a battle flag.
[106:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: And it was changed so it was clearly distinctive as opposed to other flags.
[106:40] Col. Bill Rutledge: And so wherever you are in what country and you have your own flag, the flag very often is out in front in a battle environment.
[106:53] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the flag bearer is...
[106:55] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's a dangerous position.
[106:58] Col. Bill Rutledge: In the Civil War, many, many people who were carrying the American flag into battle would be killed or be shot or wounded down.
[107:10] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the next procedure was that the person nearest that individual would grab the flagstaff or pole and keep it high.
[107:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the soldiers would follow them.
[107:24] Col. Bill Rutledge: So it's
[107:25] Col. Bill Rutledge: Traditionally, flags, not only in our country, but all around the world, flags have been a source of leadership for men to follow.
[107:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: And one reason, you can elevate the flag and they can see it and they will go to where the flag is.
[107:44] Kim Monson: Well, that makes me think about the Battle of Iwo Jima and the flag raising.
[107:50] Kim Monson: And the fact that they were able to raise that flag, and of course it's depicted in the Marine sculpture in Washington, D.C., the raising of the American flag on Mount Suribachi,
[108:11] Kim Monson: And my understanding, Colonel Rutledge, is initially it was a smaller flag that was raised, and then they got a much bigger flag, which is what the depiction is.
[108:20] Col. Bill Rutledge: That's correct.
[108:21] Col. Bill Rutledge: They got a bigger one off of one of the ships in the harbor.
[108:26] Col. Bill Rutledge: And there's a whole book about that.
[108:31] Col. Bill Rutledge: Then it was written by one of the flag raisers who happened to be from Wisconsin, and he
[108:37] Col. Bill Rutledge: in normal life before he was in the Navy.
[108:41] Col. Bill Rutledge: He was a mortician.
[108:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he knew a lot about flag protocol.
[108:49] Col. Bill Rutledge: But the main thing, he was one of those brave men who was up there and was raising the flag under most terrible circumstances.
[109:01] Col. Bill Rutledge: In a case like that, a flag is taken to show also that
[109:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: you have gained control of a particular part of the battlefield.
[109:11] Col. Bill Rutledge: And this is encouragement to the other fighters.
[109:15] Kim Monson: Well, and actually on America's Veterans Stories, I did interview, he's since passed on, but Jack Thurman, who was one of the flag raisers at Iwo Jima.
[109:25] Kim Monson: And so we have just such great interviews.
[109:31] Kim Monson: Last thing, let's talk about John Paul Jones.
[109:35] Col. Bill Rutledge: Yes.
[109:36] Col. Bill Rutledge: John Paul Jones was, he and Flag Day are almost synonymous.
[109:43] Col. Bill Rutledge: They were both, there was a law passed by Congress the same day, the 14th of June, 1777, wherein John Paul Jones was appointed as an officer in the new Navy.
[110:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: And
[110:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: it turned out that John Paul Jones took the flag that was approved that day into battle with him, and he was carrying the battle to the English.
[110:16] Col. Bill Rutledge: So he had ships that were going over and going around the British Isles, and he was displaying the flag when he was in battle.
[110:29] Col. Bill Rutledge: Or if sometimes he wanted to be in disguise,
[110:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: he wouldn't have the American flag up, but he'd have the British flag up.
[110:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: That's a procedure that was followed all the time in close battle to disguise.
[110:46] Col. Bill Rutledge: But when you got to where you were actually in combat, your ship against the others, they would show what the comment was, they would show their colors.
[110:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: That means you display your flag.
[110:59] Col. Bill Rutledge: And also, when you bring your flag down in battle,
[111:04] Col. Bill Rutledge: It's a sign that you are surrendering.
[111:06] Col. Bill Rutledge: Now, in John Paul Jones' situation, we all heard about him being aboard the ship in battle against the Serapis, HMS Serapis, which was a brand new top-of-the-line British ship off the coast of East Anglia.
[111:27] Col. Bill Rutledge: I actually visited the battle site when I was over there on a home exchange years ago, and it's
[111:34] Col. Bill Rutledge: the area is exactly like it was in 1778.
[111:38] Col. Bill Rutledge: And the British captain, their ships were pulled together, and the British captain yelled to John Paul Jones, strike your colors.
[111:51] Col. Bill Rutledge: And Jones supposedly said, I have not yet begun to fight.
[111:56] Col. Bill Rutledge: And within a few minutes, the battle continued aboard both
[112:03] Col. Bill Rutledge: decks of the ships which were tied together.
[112:07] Col. Bill Rutledge: The British commander struck his flag, which means he brought his flag down, which indicated he had surrendered, and John Paul Jones moved all of his crew onto the British ship because his ship was sinking, because it was a far inferior ship than what the British had.
[112:33] Kim Monson: Well, we're out of time, Colonel Rutledge, and so we will keep that as our quote for the end of the show.
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