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[02:20] Yvonne Paez: So today's word of the day is experimental.
[02:26] Yvonne Paez: And it's an adjective, which means based on, related to, or used in experiments or trials.
[02:41] Yvonne Paez: It describes something that is in a testing or exploratory stage utilizing new methods that haven't been fully proven.
[02:54] Yvonne Paez: Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it.
[02:58] Yvonne Paez: And right is right, even if no one is doing it.
[03:02] Pam Long: So what do you think about that quote and those and.
[03:07] Pam Long: I love that you picked experimental as the word of the day because we are going to be talking about experimental vaccines today.
[03:13] Pam Long: So I love that you clarified that.
[03:16] Yvonne Paez: And, you know, what I think is funny is one of the challenges that Kim always has is that she wants us to use that word in a sentence after we've declared it the word of the day.
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[03:31] Yvonne Paez: So I'll start with just a couple headlines, and then you and I will start our conversation.
[03:36] Yvonne Paez: And for headlines, I think some people may have already heard this one, but that the FBI raided the home of a former high-level CIA official in Virginia, finding $40 million stash of gold bars, $2 million in cash, and 35 luxury watches.
[03:57] Yvonne Paez: He appears to also have faked his educational and military credentials to boost his federal salary.
[04:11] Pam Long: Corruption will be the word of the day tomorrow.
[04:15] Yvonne Paez: So my other headline is we continue to witness fraud everywhere in the United States, everywhere they look.
[04:22] Yvonne Paez: Blue and red states proving that corruption is alive and well across the United States.
[04:27] Yvonne Paez: And I think those are two general things.
[04:30] Yvonne Paez: Headlines that we can just go with because we really need to be paying attention to what is happening in our country.
[04:36] Yvonne Paez: And I think a lot of what happens is because we're so kind and we're naive and people take advantage of that.
[04:46] Yvonne Paez: So we need to wise up a little bit and tighten up.
[04:49] Pam Long: And we need to listen to radio and have other media sources than mainstream media because they will not be talking about corruption and fraud.
[04:55] Diarization artifacts (single-word interjections): Right.
[04:59] Yvonne Paez: I can smell it before it comes around the corner because I grew up in Latin America.
[05:05] Yvonne Paez: And unfortunately, corruption is rampant in Latin America.
[05:09] Yvonne Paez: And that used to be the huge difference between...
[05:13] Yvonne Paez: Latin America and the United States, there was the honesty.
[05:16] Yvonne Paez: And, you know, there's probably corruption everywhere.
[05:18] Yvonne Paez: But if we had it, it was very hidden and it was little.
[05:23] Yvonne Paez: So I feel like I'm back home in Latin America.
[05:27] Yvonne Paez: Although the U.S. is my home and I am an American.
[05:30] Yvonne Paez: But, you know, where you grew up is kind of home.
[05:33] Yvonne Paez: And that's not something that I wanted to see repeated.
[05:37] Yvonne Paez: So as we think about what our conversation will be today, give us a little intro to what we're going to be talking about.
[05:48] Pam Long: Well, the main topic is roadblocks to reinstatement for all of our military members who were discharged for the EUA or experimental COVID vaccine in 21, 22, and 23.
[06:02] Yvonne Paez: Okay, there's that word of the day, experimental.
[06:10] Yvonne Paez: You know, we're going to be talking about other things as well.
[06:18] Yvonne Paez: As a matter of fact, let's jump into that one right now.
[06:20] Yvonne Paez: So there is a great movie slash documentary coming out called Duty to Disobey.
[06:26] Yvonne Paez: And I want to throw out there that, you know, we have...
[06:31] Yvonne Paez: Your formal intro is until a little bit later, but I'll give a little snapshot that you're a West Point graduate and a former captain in the United States Army.
[06:44] Yvonne Paez: So this duty to disobey carries a lot of significance to us because we know when we shouldn't and when we must disobey.
[06:53] Pam Long: And that's the Uniform Code of Military Justice requires that service members only obey lawful orders.
[07:00] Pam Long: And when the command gives an illegal order to either commit a crime or to do anything that would violate the Constitution, UCMJ requires...
[07:11] Pam Long: the service member that it's a moral and legal obligation duty to disobey any unlawful order.
[07:19] Pam Long: And that explains the name of the film duty to disobey, which is my project, the children's health defense and the military chapter June 30th nationwide.
[07:33] Yvonne Paez: I was horrified when all of that was going on.
[07:37] Yvonne Paez: And I'll share with you, and you probably know a lot about this too, is we know that what people do for a living often runs in families and legacy.
[07:49] Yvonne Paez: I mean, doctors often are son of doctors, dentist of dentists.
[07:57] Yvonne Paez: And the service legacy really runs in families.
[08:04] Yvonne Paez: And there's, of course, a few here and there that nobody in their family ever served before, and they'll probably be the first of their legacy.
[08:11] Yvonne Paez: And when the people who would have told their children that,
[08:20] Yvonne Paez: serving your country is a good idea and it's a good life and it's a good thing to do and a good career.
[08:25] Yvonne Paez: And those of us who then had children who really were thinking twice, and probably more than that, about sharing that with our own families, because we knew of the dysfunction that was going on in our military, including the
[08:45] Yvonne Paez: the health risks and I'm not talking getting shot.
[08:48] Yvonne Paez: I mean that that's a given, but the things like what you're going to talk about today.
[08:53] Yvonne Paez: So I think it's really important that we fix these problems because of a lack of trust that destroyed that legacy membership.
[09:02] Yvonne Paez: And what is so important in an all volunteer army, we don't have a draft anymore and we don't ever want to see it again because there are enough people who are
[09:13] Yvonne Paez: recognize that service to our country is so, so important.
[09:21] Yvonne Paez: We cannot destroy the trust that will lead to continued legacy of service.
[09:27] Pam Long: It is absolutely a multi-generational service component that we have here in the United States where you now have families who will not recommend service.
[09:37] Pam Long: We have a historical loss in retention and recruitment.
[09:41] Pam Long: And you also, with our vaccine policy in the military that's one size fits all, after this experimental COVID mandate, you have people who do not want to join because they want medical autonomy.
[09:52] Pam Long: They don't want to be subjected to any type of experimentation whatsoever.
[09:56] Pam Long: whether it's a vaccine or any other drug or medical product.
[10:00] Pam Long: All the masks were EUA or experimental.
[10:04] Pam Long: And can you, I'm going to stop you right there.
[10:08] Pam Long: EUA is Emergency Use Authorized.
[10:11] Pam Long: And so the short version of explaining it is experimental.
[10:13] Pam Long: And in our country, in federal statute,
[10:16] Pam Long: You cannot, no entity, including the Department of War, which is formerly the Department of Defense, can mandate an experimental drug or medical product or test or device on our military members.
[10:29] Pam Long: And that applies to civilians as well.
[10:32] Pam Long: And the part of the film will really explain, if you're not military and you don't think this film is for you, this film will explain that none of the FDA-approved versions of the COVID vaccines were ever produced.
[10:45] Pam Long: Cominarty was the FDA-approved version that was never produced.
[10:49] Pam Long: So every COVID vaccine was experimental or emergency use authorized.
[10:54] Pam Long: And so no entity, including the military or any civilian employer or college or school,
[11:01] Pam Long: could mandate, and we've seen lawsuits won in almost every sector of civilian society and employment, saying that those mandates were illegal and oftentimes violated religious beliefs where people filed a religious accommodation or exemption, and those were denied.
[11:18] Pam Long: Most of those sectors of civilian society won those lawsuits.
[11:22] Pam Long: And so know that going into the future.
[11:24] Pam Long: But we still have a lot to do in our military to restore and get accountability because an apology is not appropriate for when a crime is committed and people lost everything.
[11:35] Pam Long: And that's we really detail in the film.
[11:37] Pam Long: People lost their jobs, rank, pay, promotion, retirement, health care, GI Bill and left with a less than honorable discharge.
[11:46] Pam Long: An apology is not adequate.
[11:51] Pam Long: We had over 2,000 suicides that we know of during this time, during the military mandate.
[11:57] Pam Long: People were forced with an impossible choice, lose everything or take a shot that could harm you.
[12:03] Yvonne Paez: And you know, that is hard enough on anybody.
[12:06] Yvonne Paez: But I think it's even harder on the people who serve their country because we have this honor bound kind of personality, the death before dishonor kind of personality.
[12:20] Yvonne Paez: And that's probably where a lot of those suicides came from.
[12:23] Yvonne Paez: When you were being forced into an impossible choice, um,
[12:28] Yvonne Paez: You couldn't face sometimes a dishonorable discharge, so you did the alternative.
[12:33] Yvonne Paez: This is horrific, especially to do on anyone, but to do on the people who have such a deep sense of honor that there is no way out sometimes.
[12:45] Pam Long: And some of these young people we interviewed talked about, you know, they left home at 18, joined the military.
[12:51] Pam Long: They were basically homeless, living in their cars, no pay, no benefits with this less than honorable discharge, which in some cases, civilian employment regards it like a felony, like equivalent to sexual assault.
[13:05] Pam Long: So, yeah, they were pretty hopeless.
[13:07] Yvonne Paez: It was, yeah, it was, it was a really rough time and we are starting to move out of that.
[13:14] Yvonne Paez: So it's kind of early to get this deep, but I'm just going to use a little, a little humor for the rest of it.
[13:22] Yvonne Paez: Do you remember the days when we were going, at least me, I was going through basic training and, and
[13:28] Yvonne Paez: you're lining up and going through the medical center and they're lined up on both sides of you with those pneumatic, isn't that what they're called?
[13:35] Yvonne Paez: The pneumatic guns that shoot the vaccine.
[13:42] Yvonne Paez: I mean, I can remember it on both arms.
[13:44] Yvonne Paez: They were on both sides as we go through the line with multiple vaccines.
[13:48] Yvonne Paez: And I'm not thinking that that's very healthy either to do too many at once, but at least those were...
[13:55] Yvonne Paez: The older vaccines, which we knew, you know, we were we were doing measles and, you know, different things because they couldn't assume that anybody who came in already had certain vaccines.
[14:06] Yvonne Paez: And because we come from all walks of life, you know, so it was kind of funny the way we had to do that.
[14:11] Yvonne Paez: And but but later when when they were doing these experimental vaccines and did we not learn anything from the anthrax vaccine?
[14:23] Pam Long: We talk about that in the film, too, that there is absolutely no legal doubt that this was an unlawful mandate.
[14:30] Pam Long: In Dovey Rumsfeld, during the EUA, Experimental Anthrax Vaccine, 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that
[14:39] Pam Long: Department of Defense at that time could not mandate the anthrax vaccine for service members because it was experimental.
[14:46] Pam Long: And so if if people are like, no, this was completely lawful and all, you know, there was a presidential waiver.
[14:51] Pam Long: No, unlawful, no presidential waiver.
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[19:59] Yvonne Paez: So thanks for that intro before telling us, you know, as we both spoke a little bit about what we're going to be talking about and how the military was affected by a vaccine mandate that included an experimental vaccine.
[20:17] Yvonne Paez: And it should not have been a mandate if it was experimental.
[20:20] Yvonne Paez: So what is the status of the reinstatement of the discharged military members we mentioned earlier?
[20:28] Pam Long: Well, and many people are familiar that President Trump issued an executive order in January 2025 for reinstatement and back pay for all service members discharged under this unlawful COVID vaccine mandate in the Department of War.
[20:41] Pam Long: The public was told 8,000 members were discharged, but in reality, 100,000 members separated from service during that time under the mandate to avoid punishment under UCMJ, to avoid court-martial, basically.
[20:54] Pam Long: And despite this executive order, only 150 members have been reinstated to date as of May 2026.
[21:02] Pam Long: And so for our impacted veterans, there's really...
[21:06] Pam Long: Much to do still needed to correct the discharge statuses and restore their lost benefits.
[21:11] Pam Long: And for our active duty military personnel, hundreds were still facing punishment and discharge for refusing the influenza vaccine up until April of this year when the Department of War changed its long-standing influenza vaccine mandate to a voluntary vaccine.
[21:28] Pam Long: We have made some progress just this May.
[21:30] Pam Long: The Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, announced that the Department of War would create a department-wide reinstatement task force in addition to the existing branch reinstatement task forces.
[21:42] Pam Long: This is because they realized that reinstatement is not happening as per the executive order.
[21:49] Pam Long: And then he announced also in May that the Department of War will conduct a complete overhaul of the military legal system
[21:57] Pam Long: And he didn't say it per se, but we know we have been advocating within in D.C. with Children's Health Defense that this is because of this unlawful EUA vaccine mandate, which has caused this retention and recruitment historical losses.
[22:16] Pam Long: So sometimes when you're hearing these announcements, you need to read between the lines.
[22:20] Pam Long: But we are making progress due to organizations like Children's Health Defense and their new military chapter of influencing to say we will never forget these service members until it's made right.
[22:37] Yvonne Paez: I was reading through a few things, and it just caught that yesterday as well, that recently, like you said, since April, that the flu vaccine is not mandated again.
[22:48] Yvonne Paez: I mean, it isn't in the civilian world.
[22:51] Yvonne Paez: So why would you be mandated, especially for those of us that understand biology, because...
[22:57] Yvonne Paez: I have a degree, you know, in in some of that and some biology or related topics.
[23:03] Yvonne Paez: And so you can bamboozle some people with that kind of stuff, but not if you know biology.
[23:08] Yvonne Paez: So we know and understand those of us that are informed that the flu vaccine is really hit and miss.
[23:15] Yvonne Paez: And it we don't because you have to predict.
[23:19] Yvonne Paez: I mean, it's not because people don't know how to do their job.
[23:21] Yvonne Paez: It's because you're in the business of predicting.
[23:23] Yvonne Paez: predicting what's going to happen and which kind of virus is going to come.
[23:28] Yvonne Paez: And we're like throwing darts at a board.
[23:31] Yvonne Paez: So please fill us in on that for people who don't understand why it's okay for you to decide to maybe not take the flu vaccine.
[23:38] Pam Long: I love that you brought that up.
[23:41] Pam Long: So there's like 200 forms of respiratory viruses that circulate every fall when we, we get less vitamin D and the temperatures drop and you become susceptible every October.
[23:52] Pam Long: That's the time to supplement vitamin D and consider, you know, boosting your immune system.
[23:58] Pam Long: Because every year our government picks three or four strains to put into formulation for the influenza vaccine.
[24:06] Pam Long: There's different versions for children, adults, and the elderly.
[24:10] Pam Long: And every year, historically, they have been wrong.
[24:13] Pam Long: The influenza vaccine has negative 27% efficacy.
[24:19] Pam Long: in recent studies saying that basically it has more risk than benefit.
[24:27] Pam Long: You go to the CDC website and verify this, that you will get sick from the influenza vaccine.
[24:34] Pam Long: And so the consumers are overwhelmingly rejecting this drug.
[24:39] Pam Long: Maybe 30% of people took the influenza and COVID vaccines this year because
[24:44] Pam Long: People are getting this information.
[24:46] Pam Long: They're saying, wait a minute, even though it's free and it's really pushed and it's normalized here in the United States that you go to your grocery store and you're hearing announcements and you're seeing advertisements, get your free flu vaccine.
[25:00] Pam Long: First of all, I would question anything that's free, right?
[25:04] Pam Long: But the risk-benefit is really not in support of this vaccine.
[25:09] Pam Long: Any vaccine to get approved needs 50% efficacy.
[25:13] Pam Long: The flu shot has never met that criteria.
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[28:52] Yvonne Paez: And we are speaking with Pam Long, former captain in the Army Medical Service Corps and military director for Health Freedom Defense.
[29:03] Yvonne Paez: And we were talking about the flu vaccine and how it affects.
[29:12] Yvonne Paez: So you can repeat just a little bit about that.
[29:15] Yvonne Paez: And then I want to, I want to mention something else, but just kind of bring us back to the efficacy thing.
[29:20] Pam Long: The, the flu vaccine has a negative 27% efficacy, which means that the risks are greater than the benefits that it will not protect you from every strain of influenza.
[29:32] Pam Long: And it has serious risk of adverse injury and even chronic disability and death.
[29:38] Pam Long: And producer Joe just chimed in here and he said he had a question about duty to disobey the film.
[29:45] Pam Long: And his question is, do people have an obligation or a duty to return to service?
[29:51] Pam Long: And that's a really great question that no one has asked me yet.
[29:58] Yvonne Paez: And my answer, my immediate answer to that is like, wait, you kicked me out because I wasn't doing something you wanted me to do.
[30:07] Yvonne Paez: So I find that as a breach of contract.
[30:09] Yvonne Paez: So I don't think you can haul me back in unless I want to.
[30:13] Pam Long: And so you're you would you're until there is accountability.
[30:16] Pam Long: And I think the public thinks this executive order by President Trump is accountability and everyone was magically reinstated.
[30:23] Pam Long: There are many service members who wanted to reinstate and the process was made so difficult that they gave up.
[30:30] Pam Long: They weren't actually given the back pay or their rank back or they're not caught up to their peers.
[30:36] Pam Long: They're never going to catch up.
[30:39] Pam Long: And so some of them said no thank you to the process, which is very much broken right now.
[30:44] Pam Long: And then many of them were told, go back to your same unit and commander who discharged you unlawfully to get reinstated.
[30:56] Pam Long: Think about that as from a military perspective.
[30:58] Pam Long: Would you go back to your abuser, the person, the commander who kicked you out, said, yeah, sorry, you served honorably for 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 years.
[31:09] Pam Long: Some of these people discharged.
[31:11] Pam Long: left with over 19 years of service and were just months away from full retirement and lost everything.
[31:19] Pam Long: And their commander said, see ya, too bad.
[31:23] Pam Long: No loyalty to their service.
[31:27] Pam Long: People will not go back until there is accountability.
[31:31] Pam Long: Many of these service members received what we call a GOMAR, a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, which is a career-killing letter in their record.
[31:41] Pam Long: They would probably suggest that those leaders that implemented this unlawful order, until they have been under UCMJ and they themselves receive some type of reprimand or accountability under UCMJ, they will not return to their abusers.
[31:59] Yvonne Paez: I mean, we were all under different commanders when we were in, and some of them were good, and some of them were not so good.
[32:07] Yvonne Paez: And I wouldn't go back, even if it wasn't one who discharged me, because I didn't fall into that discharge scenario.
[32:15] Yvonne Paez: But even then, I wouldn't go back to some of the bad ones, and even if they hadn't
[32:19] Yvonne Paez: Put me through everything you just said on the thing.
[32:22] Yvonne Paez: So how can you be forced to go back under the same person who did this to you?
[32:28] Yvonne Paez: Somebody who, like you said, has never been held accountable.
[32:31] Yvonne Paez: So we as officers, and everybody has that duty to disobey if you know that something is wrong, but especially us, because we're in charge of people, right?
[32:42] Yvonne Paez: At the lower levels, if you're just in charge of yourself, well, you still have to do the right thing, but at least you're not harming others.
[32:48] Yvonne Paez: At our level, we really have to make sure that something is a very legal mandate, an order that we must follow.
[32:59] Yvonne Paez: And if it's not, then we have that duty to disobey because what we do doesn't only affect us, it affects our entire command beneath us.
[33:10] Pam Long: That's a really good point.
[33:11] Pam Long: So not only were these commanders obligated, of course, to take this vaccine, but then they had to make the choice.
[33:20] Pam Long: Will I force this on my subordinates?
[33:24] Pam Long: And so my peers, my West Point class, they were brigade commanders.
[33:28] Pam Long: They were driving all of this decision making during this mandate.
[33:31] Pam Long: And of my peers, I have a class of 1000.
[33:36] Pam Long: Two colonels, two brigade commanders who said, I will not take this shot and I will not force it upon my soldiers.
[33:44] Pam Long: And let me tell you their outcomes.
[33:46] Pam Long: Both were in line to pin on a star, to become general officers.
[33:53] Pam Long: He could not force this on his subordinates.
[34:00] Pam Long: And the other one was told, he was working at the Pentagon at the time, he was told, you'll either face UCMJ or you can submit your retirement paperwork.
[34:10] Pam Long: There's a good story in this.
[34:11] Pam Long: His name is Colonel Kevin Boren, and he actually, he did reinstate because he felt so...
[34:19] Pam Long: such a compelling need to reinstate service members and make this right.
[34:26] Pam Long: He is the Army's reinstatement task force commander, and he has reinstated more than anyone.
[34:32] Pam Long: And so we have some good people coming back to make this right.
[34:36] Pam Long: I just want to add that good news in there.
[34:39] Yvonne Paez: And what a better feeling when you were facing, like we said before,
[34:47] Yvonne Paez: the decision that was a career killer for you and you knew it was bad for other people and you had to get out and you have that all hanging over you as you're out, but to be able to return and make it right, you know, or do your best to make it right.
[35:05] Yvonne Paez: Because as you mentioned, there's problems still in this reinstatement and,
[35:09] Pam Long: Well, it gets even better than that because Colonel Kevin Boren then hired as part of his team.
[35:15] Pam Long: He brought on Captain Mark Bashaw, the one Army officer who was court-martialed.
[35:22] Pam Long: And that was intentional to send a message that we will court-martial you.
[35:25] Pam Long: The Department of Defense at the time said we'll make an example out of him.
[35:29] Pam Long: We will court-martial him for being a whistleblower on this.
[35:32] Pam Long: And he also reinstated and is working with Colonel Kevin Boren to reinstate and make this right for our service members.
[35:41] Yvonne Paez: So anybody, anybody who formerly served in the military and is being afforded the chance to go back, maybe you can go back and do good and maybe join that team and know that you can go back to do good and undo the harm that was done.
[36:00] Yvonne Paez: So in having said that, very quickly, if you would like to kind of reiterate, what were the roadblocks to the reinstatement of the military service members?
[36:10] Pam Long: So we covered that this EUA COVID vaccine mandate was unlawful.
[36:15] Pam Long: And so senior leadership gave an unlawful order.
[36:18] Pam Long: And an apology is not a sufficient response to committing a crime.
[36:23] Pam Long: And so we need accountability.
[36:25] Pam Long: And until we get that accountability, that people will not return.
[36:29] Pam Long: So the second part of that problem is this religious accommodation process in the military.
[36:35] Pam Long: So that's the way you exempt from any vaccine.
[36:37] Pam Long: This has been in military regulation.
[36:40] Pam Long: For decades, when the COVID vaccine rolled out, all of a sudden there was a Department of Defense-wide rejection, mass rejection of all religious accommodations under the Biden administration.
[36:56] Pam Long: I hate to say this, but we talk about this in the film that commanders, doctors, chaplains, military lawyers, they were all involved in blanket denying the due process of a religious accommodation request with no reason.
[37:13] Pam Long: oftentimes no response or a redacted response.
[37:16] Pam Long: The service members could not appeal it.
[37:19] Pam Long: These requests are supposed to be individually assessed for just a sincerely held belief.
[37:30] Pam Long: We created these religious scrutiny tests, which are also unlawful.
[37:35] Pam Long: Your constitutional rights, whether you're in the military or civilian, allow you to have religious freedom.
[37:41] Pam Long: And it's still ongoing that this religious accommodation process is still broken in the Department of War.
[37:53] Yvonne Paez: So we'll go into why that film was produced in a minute.
[37:57] Yvonne Paez: But it's obviously because we needed to highlight all the things.
[38:01] Yvonne Paez: I've only seen the trailer, obviously, because it's not out yet.
[38:04] Yvonne Paez: And just in looking at the trailer, I'm...
[38:10] Yvonne Paez: I mean, I can only think of the word horrified when I see how people were being forced.
[38:16] Yvonne Paez: It brings back things from A Few Good Men, you know?
[38:28] Yvonne Paez: And well, yeah, but the, the, the Colonel, the Colonel, I forget his name.
[38:32] Yvonne Paez: He was the one in the shining, but anyway, but yeah, it, I mean the, the intensity of, of, of forcing things or whatever.
[38:40] Yvonne Paez: It just, it, it was, yeah, Jack Nicholson.
[38:47] Yvonne Paez: You know, we all know who he is, but we just couldn't think of his name.
[38:49] Yvonne Paez: And, but it, it brought back some of that kind of stuff because it,
[39:02] Pam Long: Watch the trailer and you'll know exactly what Yvonne's talking about.
[39:11] Pam Long: That's where you can watch the trailer, buy tickets.
[39:15] Yvonne Paez: This is a great opportunity before we move into other topics is we have something fun that we are going to do.
[39:25] Pam Long: Well, we're taking over here at the Kim Monson Show today, and so we get to do whatever we want today.
[39:30] Pam Long: So we are giving away tickets.
[39:32] Pam Long: Remember when you were young and the radio used to give away tickets to concerts?
[39:35] Yvonne Paez: You're dialing super fast trying to get your tickets.
[39:39] Pam Long: I'm giving you advanced time to say, okay, I'm giving you the number because...
[39:43] Pam Long: We are giving away 13 sets of two tickets to the Denver screening of Duty to Disobey on June 30th at 7 p.m.
[39:43] Pam Long: to the first 13 people who text in on the text line today.
[39:53] Pam Long: We'll catch up with Kim and she'll give us your name and your phone number and we'll confirm with you, you 13 people, that you have tickets on it.
[40:02] Pam Long: It'll be on a will call list, no physical ticket.
[40:05] Yvonne Paez: And the number to the text line is 720-605-0647.
[40:22] Yvonne Paez: And that was totally non-military because we don't say I repeat.
[40:27] Yvonne Paez: That has to do with some artillery stuff.
[40:33] Pam Long: People are like, thank you so much for repeating that number.
[40:43] Pam Long: We're giving away 13 sets of two tickets each.
[40:47] Pam Long: 13 people could win two tickets each.
[40:49] Pam Long: So you can take a friend with you if you win.
[40:51] Pam Long: To Duty to Disobey on June 30th at the Denver location, 7 p.m.
[40:51] Pam Long: First 13 people who text in and just say, I want tickets.
[41:02] Pam Long: And Kim will give me the information and I'll respond back to you confirming if you are a winner.
[41:10] Yvonne Paez: And please, when you call, we need your name and your phone number so we can contact you and let you know if you were in the numbers to get the tickets.
[41:23] Yvonne Paez: And again, the title of the movie is Duty to Disobey.
[41:27] Yvonne Paez: And reminding everybody, it is a one day across the entire nation showing.
[41:40] Yvonne Paez: what happened then to our military and what is probably happening since.
[41:55] Pam Long: So if you want to restore our military, this film is for you.
[41:59] Pam Long: But I also tell people, if you've ever been coerced into a vaccine for employment, this film is for you.
[42:05] Pam Long: If you've ever been a parent and felt like you did not get informed consent on a vaccine, this film is for you.
[42:11] Yvonne Paez: Because anything they do to those of us in the military, it's just a testing or a proving ground for what they will do with the rest of the country.
[42:23] Yvonne Paez: And I want to tell you that if you have ever, this is going to bring back some memories, if you have ever been persuaded or convinced or coerced,
[42:34] Yvonne Paez: and bribed, there was plenty of that going on, and even threatened to do anything, let alone inject yourself with something that was experimental.
[42:45] Yvonne Paez: or lose your job, you can rest assured that whatever is being recommended, and recommended is in quotes, is not in your best interests.
[42:56] Pam Long: And the coercion was really unprecedented in our military, and I don't think the public knows.
[43:01] Pam Long: We will have people in the film discussing over 100 days in isolation, which is healthy people...
[43:11] Pam Long: Do not need to be isolated.
[43:13] Pam Long: Sick people, we understand quarantine, but isolating healthy people is not a true quarantine.
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[47:43] Yvonne Paez: And let's continue the conversation with our guest, Pam Long.
[47:46] Yvonne Paez: And I am really curious, why did Children's Health Defense produce the film, Duty to Disobey?
[47:53] Pam Long: Children's Health Defense funded and partnered with the Tommey Burrowes Productions for this documentary.
[47:58] Pam Long: And this project is in line with their mission, which is to protect health.
[48:02] Pam Long: to hold responsible parties accountable for health harms, and to establish safeguards to prevent future harms to health.
[48:09] Pam Long: And so this film is new territory for them.
[48:13] Pam Long: They have three other great films in the Vax series, but this one really focuses on this unprecedented coercion, the illegal mandate of an EUA COVID vaccine, and adults.
[48:24] Pam Long: Their former documentaries are really focused on children that are harmed by vaccines.
[48:29] Pam Long: This one focuses on adults.
[48:32] Pam Long: employer coercion for these vaccines.
[48:37] Pam Long: We had unprecedented coercion in the chain of command.
[48:41] Pam Long: And there's really hasn't been this accountability in senior leadership and restoration.
[48:47] Pam Long: And like you said, Yvonne, that what happens in the military, we truly believe and we explained in the film that the anthrax mandate, the illegal anthrax mandate in the military is
[48:57] Pam Long: was the dress rehearsal for the COVID vaccine mandate for everyone.
[49:02] Pam Long: So what happens in the military eventually is rolled out to the entire civilian population.
[49:10] Pam Long: essential that we get accountability that this never happens again and we need the public to support policy change in vaccine policy for not just the military but all employment sectors and you know our warriors who defend freedom for this nation they deserve medical freedom medical freedom
[49:29] Pam Long: is essentially your choice of what is injected in your body.
[49:33] Pam Long: And the privacy of those choices is just as important.
[49:36] Pam Long: You remember during COVID that everyone was shaming people for their choices.
[49:40] Pam Long: Privacy and free from government registries and tracking, so your choices can be weaponized against you in employment, in travel, in education.
[49:52] Pam Long: Privacy is a big part of this too.
[49:54] Yvonne Paez: And actually, I have, you know, this is not funny, but I laugh because every time I go to a medical facility, you know, they have you sign this HIPAA thing.
[50:03] Yvonne Paez: I said, where was HIPAA when everybody was asking me whether I was vaccinated or not?
[50:10] Yvonne Paez: You know, so it just it cracks me up how HIPAA supposedly exists.
[50:14] Yvonne Paez: And then when COVID comes, HIPAA is out the window.
[50:16] Yvonne Paez: Everybody wants to know your business and advertising and vaccine passports, what they were trying.
[50:20] Pam Long: I'm glad you brought up HIPAA because people think HIPAA is about privacy.
[50:24] Pam Long: HIPAA is a portability act.
[50:35] Pam Long: And many people are opting out of signing those HIPAA disclosures saying, no, I will not give you permission to share my medical information.
[50:44] Pam Long: And it's portrayed as, oh, no, this will get you faster results.
[50:48] Pam Long: And it's for convenience and electronic records.
[50:52] Pam Long: I would encourage everyone to rethink where they want their medical data.
[50:56] Pam Long: Medical data is the new oil.
[51:01] Pam Long: For hackers, it is like gold.
[51:03] Pam Long: So you need to be careful with protecting your medical information.
[51:09] Yvonne Paez: Sue, as critics may view, the documentary is controversial and their concerns about the film portrayal of the military.
[51:19] Pam Long: This is a very pro-military film.
[51:21] Pam Long: In fact, we let the STARS organization, if you're familiar with it, it has a board of retired general officers who are against woke ideology in the military.
[51:32] Pam Long: Their entire staff and board reviewed this film, and they have supported us.
[51:37] Pam Long: You can find them out on social media supporting this film project.
[51:40] Pam Long: They are very much behind us in getting accountability and restoration for our military members.
[51:47] Pam Long: This film was produced to advocate the rights of military members to make their own medical decisions without coercion and with truly voluntary and informed consent.
[51:59] Pam Long: Our military members do not forfeit their constitutional rights to defend the Constitution.
[52:04] Pam Long: And I talk about that in the film, that there's this urban legend out there that, oh, you're in the military, you don't have any rights.
[52:13] Pam Long: We all have rights that were trampled during COVID.
[52:16] Pam Long: So you have the right to decline any experimental drug test or device.
[52:22] Pam Long: So again, I would encourage people, if you watch the trailer at dutytodisobeyfilm.com, you will absolutely see for yourself that this is a pro-military film of making sure that our service members are not harmed by experimental drugs.
[52:35] Yvonne Paez: Yeah, and I received a text on the about, and this comes from a military officer, I just happen to know.
[52:42] Yvonne Paez: And it says USC Title 10, paragraph 1107, the EUA was codified in law at the time of COVID.
[52:54] Pam Long: Now, the media did not inform people of their rights and the government did not inform people of their rights.
[52:58] Pam Long: But whoever just texted that in, thank you very much for that reference.
[53:03] Pam Long: You cannot mandate experimental drugs on any, whether you're civilian or military, on anyone.
[53:09] Pam Long: And people need to be informed.
[53:11] Pam Long: And the way people get informed nowadays is through radio, is through documentaries.
[53:16] Pam Long: It is not through whatever is coming on your television station.
[53:19] Yvonne Paez: If it's on your television, you can rest assured that it's probably propaganda or there's something wrong with it.
[53:26] Yvonne Paez: So do do go to the duty area experts on radio in person at places like Perspectives 101 or or podcasts of trusted sources.
[53:39] Yvonne Paez: Yeah, the regular media is yeah, it's not what it used to be.
[53:43] Pam Long: And thanks for bringing up all these liberty groups that popped up.
[53:46] Pam Long: How encouraged I was after being on this medical freedom issue, which was kind of regarded as fringe pre-COVID.
[53:54] Pam Long: You know, for 10 years I was at the Capitol prior to COVID saying, hey, even to Republicans...
[53:59] Pam Long: A lot of Democrats are like, hey, there might be a vaccine in the future that you do not want.
[54:04] Pam Long: You may have gotten everyone to date, but you want to protect your right in the future.
[54:08] Pam Long: If there is one that you don't agree with or feel comfortable with, it doesn't have, you know, long term safety profile established.
[54:16] Pam Long: You might want to reserve that right to say no, thank you and protect our exemption rights.
[54:21] Pam Long: And so these liberty groups like yours that popped up all over the state, it forced people to gather together in person and talk about these issues and educate each other how they will navigate the future, the current and the future of this will happen again.
[54:37] Yvonne Paez: That was the whole reason for starting Perspectives 101 in Northern Colorado six and a half years ago was you couldn't trust the stuff that people...
[54:47] Yvonne Paez: So there's a lot of people who either were...
[54:50] Yvonne Paez: misinformed by the media uh were uninformed because they never tried to stay informed and then we were all getting bamboozled so i said no no at this point we got to bring duty area experts in person gather face to face and get good information it was the only thing we knew how to do to get good information okay so um we will have to leave some of this for um later i just a very
[55:15] Yvonne Paez: quick answer you know we'll leave it as a cliffhanger for later and i want to know what the audiences will take away emotionally and intellectually from watching duty to disobey and we will get into that at the beginning of the next section and i want to give you the quote for the end of the show which is from hippocrates make a habit of two things
[55:40] Yvonne Paez: And that goes right back to the Hippocratic Oath.
[55:48] Yvonne Paez: read great, you know, before in today, as she always says, you know, before I get into that freedom over force, force over freedom.
[55:58] Yvonne Paez: If something is a good idea, nobody should be forcing you to do it.
[56:05] Yvonne Paez: When, when people are pushing you to do something, um, bribing you, threatening you, it's probably not in your best interest.
[56:14] Yvonne Paez: So today be grateful, read great books, think,
[56:25] Yvonne Paez: Strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[60:49] Yvonne Paez: So today's word of the day is experimental.
[60:53] Yvonne Paez: And it's an adjective which means based on, relating to, or used in experiments or trials.
[61:04] Yvonne Paez: It describes something that is in testing or exploratory stage, utilizing new methods that haven't been fully proven.
[61:16] Yvonne Paez: Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it.
[61:20] Yvonne Paez: And right is right, even if no one is doing it.
[61:24] Yvonne Paez: And earlier we talked about headlines in the first hour, but
[61:30] Yvonne Paez: Big ones like the FBI raiding the home of a former high-level CIA official in Virginia, finding $40 million stash of gold bars and $2 million in cash and 35 luxury watches.
[61:41] Yvonne Paez: And it appears that this person faked his educational and military credentials to boost his federal salary, which doesn't sit well with us because we're both...
[61:53] Yvonne Paez: So yes, do not be faking that kind of stuff.
[61:56] Boesen Law Commercial: And, um, the second headline is just, you know, as they look for more of this fraud and waste of taxpayer money, it's everywhere.
[62:03] Yvonne Paez: It's all across the United States and, uh, and unfortunately in red States as well as blue States.
[62:08] Yvonne Paez: So the equal opportunity for fraud all over the place.
[62:15] Yvonne Paez: We don't need to open programs in those who are committing fraud need to be prosecuted because, uh,
[62:21] Yvonne Paez: we can't do this and we need to make an example of people who violate the law and waste taxpayer money.
[62:26] Yvonne Paez: But having said that, the other, now we'll do something fun.
[62:30] Yvonne Paez: And I want to pass it on to you because we're giving away some tickets.
[62:37] Pam Long: Like when you were a teenager and you were standing by the radio, get a pen.
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[62:44] Pam Long: Those were the good old days.
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[62:47] Pam Long: We have 13 sets of two tickets each.
[62:51] Pam Long: So 13 people will win two tickets each to the Denver June 30th premiere of Duty to Disobey at 7 p.m.
[62:57] Pam Long: The first 13 people, I don't even know where we're at, will get free tickets.
[63:02] Pam Long: You want to give the number?
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[63:35] Yvonne Paez: But these tickets are for the Denver area, right?
[63:37] Pam Long: And say you want tickets because we have people texting in all sorts of things.
[63:42] Yvonne Paez: So, yeah, say I want tickets to Duty to Disobey or you can say DTD and give your name and contact information.
[63:52] Yvonne Paez: And I encourage everybody, whether they got free tickets or not, to see this film.
[63:58] Pam Long: And if you don't win free tickets, you can buy them at the website, dutytodisobeyfilm.com.
[64:04] Pam Long: Denver, Fort Collins, Castle Rock, and Colorado Springs all have locations where you can see that on June 30th.
[64:13] Yvonne Paez: So what will audiences take away emotionally and intellectually after watching Duty to Disobey?
[64:19] Pam Long: Wow, that is a really good question because, you know, we can spend our money on entertainment or we can spend our money on things that do educate us.
[64:26] Pam Long: So I would say Children's Health Defense hopes this film will activate people to apply pressure to our government to protect both our medical rights and our religious rights in all sectors of employment, not just the military.
[64:42] Pam Long: In addition, your right to refuse experimental drugs.
[64:46] Pam Long: There's the word of the day.
[64:48] Pam Long: Many warriors of conscience had a religious or philosophical objection to vaccines and ingredients in vaccines.
[64:57] Pam Long: Some of our vaccines use aborted fetal tissue in research and development and actual production.
[65:03] Pam Long: This film will explain how the religious accommodation process was subverted by military doctors, commanders, even chaplains to deny requests for religious accommodation.
[65:12] Pam Long: So overall, intellectually, I think people will gain understanding
[65:16] Pam Long: Understanding that an EUA or an experimental vaccine mandate is unlawful for civilians, too.
[65:22] Pam Long: And emotionally, I would say that people are going to walk away with this new respect for our military members and what they lost.
[65:29] Pam Long: I mean, we're talking rank, retirement, what they endured to stand their ground in audience.
[65:36] Pam Long: I think audiences will be inspired to stand against any future tyranny like this.
[65:44] Yvonne Paez: You know, I just I'm speechless listening to you about what this is going to be like.
[65:50] Yvonne Paez: And we did mention this before in the first hour when I saw that trailer that you can see at duty to disobey film dot com.
[65:58] Yvonne Paez: I haven't seen the movie, obviously, because it's not out yet.
[66:00] Yvonne Paez: But the trailer was shocking enough to me to create a significant emotional response.
[66:07] Yvonne Paez: You know, it took me right back to those days.
[66:09] Yvonne Paez: And it takes you to some of those crazy films like like.
[66:17] Yvonne Paez: You're like going, oh, my God, how is this happening?
[66:19] Yvonne Paez: But Sue, I also would like to know, have any military veterans, active duty personnel or family members reached out in response to this film?
[66:27] Yvonne Paez: And if so, what are the common themes and concerns?
[66:33] Pam Long: So we have filmed this screen to people, media, and various organizations to help us market it.
[66:40] Pam Long: And the response has been overwhelmingly positive and supportive of vaccine policy change.
[66:46] Pam Long: People have shared their health harms from various military vaccines.
[66:50] Pam Long: Some of these include heart conditions, myocarditis, neurological conditions, Guillain-Barre, which is a paralysis disorder that not everyone recovers from.
[67:01] Pam Long: um turbo cancers people have shared how their accommodation request was denied for the religious accommodation even after the the mandate was lifted to date people are still being denied religious accommodations people have shared how their careers were destroyed um for refusing a vaccine now think about that as a civilian where you could lose your credentials you could lose you know 15 years of service towards your you know retirement um i have a friend who
[67:29] Pam Long: Brad Miller, Lieutenant Colonel Brad Miller, who was eight months shy of full retirement.
[67:34] Pam Long: He served this country honorably for almost 20 years.
[67:37] Pam Long: That man deserves his retirement.
[67:41] Pam Long: So it gets personal if you know people in the military and
[67:45] Pam Long: You know, we have a branch surgeon general is denying people based on they keep this form letter that says we have a compelling government interest.
[67:55] Pam Long: That's the term they use to deny people, even for things like the flu vaccine that has negative efficacy, which we talked about in the first hour.
[68:02] Pam Long: How can you have a compelling government interest to, you know, give it an injection that has negative efficacy?
[68:08] Pam Long: What's really happening is we have these multimillion-dollar pharmaceutical contracts within the Department of War, and we're not willing to say no to pharma, to say we will not take risks.
[68:19] Yvonne Paez: Wow, and in case you wonder why she knows so much about this, Pam Long is a West Point graduate, former captain in the Army Medical Service Corps, military director for health, freedom, defense, and author and guest of the Kim Monson Show.
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[72:43] Yvonne Paez: And our guest is Bath-Sheba van den Berg, a lawyer and founder of Egronomy Law, based in Canada, who has acted in high-profile public law and civil liberties cases and has extensive international experience.
[73:10] Yvonne Paez: So yes, if you would tell us a little bit about you, where you're at, what you're up to, that would be great.
[73:26] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And some of the cases I worked on was when the government of Canada froze Canadians' bank accounts.
[73:34] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: a few people who've had their bank accounts frozen and we sued the government for unlawfully invoking the Emergencies Act to freeze people's bank accounts.
[73:44] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: One of the most notable cases that I'm working on, and it's ongoing, and I've been working on this case for four and a half years now, is representing a police detective in Ottawa.
[73:54] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So Ottawa is our nation's capital, and that's where the Freedom Convoy was held in 2022.
[74:19] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Unfortunately, she's been found guilty of misconduct, and I will go into detail about that.
[74:28] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Her current supervisor, so she's working in robbery now, her current supervisor recently wrote a letter of reference saying that every police officer should emulate Detective Helen Grus.
[74:43] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So it simply does not make sense that she's charged with discreditable conduct and that she was found guilty.
[74:53] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: members of her unit, she was working for SACA, which is Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Unit at the time.
[75:04] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So in 2022, her colleagues told her that there's been a doubling or tripling of sudden infant deaths in the last year.
[75:11] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And Detective Helen Grus was alive to the fact that there were issues with these COVID-19 vaccinations having not been tested on pregnant and breastfeeding women.
[75:22] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And she had already heard about a month prior that a little baby girl had died in mother's arms with an enlarged heart.
[75:32] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And so Detective Helen Grus took it upon herself on January the 13th of 2022 to look into their internal record system to see if there was a pattern that she could discount.
[75:46] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: an alarm for her in terms of there might be something here with regards to the COVID-19 vaccinations.
[75:59] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And then later on in the case, it blows up in all angles that you could never imagine and never, it's unprecedented, the kind of things that I've seen and heard from the tribunal, from the prosecution,
[76:20] Yvonne Paez: You know, this stuff just happens all over the place.
[76:22] Yvonne Paez: We were speaking in the earlier hour how military people were being punished when they refused to take the COVID vaccine that came up in the previous hour with Pam Long.
[76:32] Yvonne Paez: And as an example to others, then we have other examples in Colorado of Tina Peters being punished for turning up some information that was inconvenient to certain groups.
[76:43] Yvonne Paez: And so this cancellation and suppression of vaccines
[76:49] Yvonne Paez: information people don't want other people to know.
[76:52] Yvonne Paez: And then making examples out of people is all over the place, in the military, in Colorado, in Canada.
[77:02] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Yeah, well, what's particularly shocking about this is that it's an unprecedented case of a police officer who's assigned to a unit to investigate sudden infant death.
[77:34] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And there's certainly a correlation between the circumstances of death and the adverse events that were listed on Pfizer's own clinical records.
[77:57] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: They didn't follow up with the almost 300 women, probably because every time they make that phone call and ask, well, you know, how did it go with the pregnancy?
[78:19] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And when I look at the stats and the information I have to hand between May 2021 and January 2022, that tripling of baby deaths is related to either to the rollout of COVID-19 vaccinations or COVID itself.
[78:50] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: The police want to send a message to all the police officers in Canada to not ask questions in terms of criminal negligence when it comes to COVID-19 vaccination.
[79:04] Pam Long: It's not just the COVID vaccine, Bathsheba.
[79:06] Pam Long: Here in the United States, we've had cases of infants dying within hours or a day, dying in their sleep after a vaccine.
[79:15] Pam Long: And here in the United States, there is no requirement for...
[79:19] Pam Long: the vaccine given to be a part of the investigation in that death.
[79:23] Pam Long: I know a few states have tried to pass that legislation to make that a requirement, but it is not common here in the United States to review what vaccines were given to an infant in a SIDS case.
[79:41] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Because with the COVID-19 vaccination case in pregnant and breastfeeding women, for me, it's so black and white.
[79:50] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And then when you start scratching the surface, you then go into the deeper, darker side that actually the childhood vaccinations that they're administering to babies are also a cause of sudden infant deaths.
[80:11] Yvonne Paez: And we'll leave that as a cliffhanger to move into that next topic right there of the children that are a little older.
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[84:04] Yvonne Paez: And we are speaking with our guest, Bath-Sheba van den Berg, attorney and founder of Egronomy Law based in Canada.
[84:13] Yvonne Paez: And we were talking about some things, but I think the most important part of this is as you hear these conversations, we need the courage not only to speak truth,
[84:25] Yvonne Paez: Because if we have the courage to hear truth, we won't want or be tempted to censor that truth.
[84:32] Yvonne Paez: And I'm really excited about people who want to hear truth in the United States now partnering with people who are speaking truth in Canada.
[84:51] Yvonne Paez: So we were talking about how there appeared to be a connection with the COVID vaccine and an uprise in uptick in SIDS deaths.
[85:02] Yvonne Paez: And then you were talking about not only the SIDS deaths, but then the other children who were older.
[85:10] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Well, I was just referring to some of the statistics that were before the tribunal by one of our experts, Dr. Payne, who upon the administration of the COVID-19 vaccination, he noted that there was an increase in death and mortality in the pediatrician.
[85:29] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And so it opened his view and perspective that there's actually a bigger issue here, right, with regards to
[85:37] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: vaccinations in general that are being administered to babies and to children and an increase in mortality.
[85:44] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: But this particular case with Detective Helen Grus is solely with regards to babies, babies under five.
[85:53] Pam Long: Can I chime in here that in the United States, I need people to know that vaccines are not tested on children.
[86:00] Pam Long: They're tested on people 12 years or older who are healthy, who have no health conditions.
[86:07] Pam Long: So oftentimes in vaccine marketing, we hear, oh, if you protect your infant or protect your loved one who maybe is immune compromised or has a medical condition.
[86:18] Pam Long: I want people to know that vaccines are only tested on people who are 12 years or older, who are healthy.
[86:24] Pam Long: So you might want to rethink like this vaccine has not been tested on pregnant women.
[86:30] Pam Long: This has not been tested on the fetus.
[86:32] Pam Long: This has not been tested on people with
[86:36] Pam Long: So you hear marketing that'll say those groups are susceptible.
[86:40] Pam Long: And I think that that is marketing to people's fear when in reality, these vaccines have not been safety tested on those populations who I would say are vulnerable and maybe should not be taking any risk.
[86:53] Pam Long: What would you say about that, Bathsheba?
[86:55] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Well, I would agree with that, and I would add, you know, the issue with the COVID-19 vaccinations, and in particular because we know, because of, you know, I'm really grateful for our American friends who managed to get those Pfizer documents unsealed.
[87:14] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: I mean, not only was it an unknown risk, it was a known risk, right, particularly for pregnant and breastfeeding women, that their babies would die.
[87:25] Yvonne Paez: So I find it interesting that you just mentioned that.
[87:27] Yvonne Paez: So, yes, because we are always told, you know, this is a susceptible population, pregnant women, elderly people, things like that.
[87:35] Yvonne Paez: And that when you're pregnant, you're not supposed to be eating certain types of large fish, you know, that might have mercury, you know, any of that kind of stuff.
[87:42] Yvonne Paez: So if you're susceptible, why wouldn't you be susceptible to vaccines who have not been proven unvaccinated?
[87:52] Yvonne Paez: Pregnant women or babies, only they're saying it's okay and it's safe and whatever, but they've only tested them on 12 and above.
[88:01] Yvonne Paez: So if they're susceptible, then don't be putting stuff in them that they don't need to have at that time.
[88:05] Pam Long: Well, and our ethics require this.
[88:07] Pam Long: Our ethics require the ethos of do no harm.
[88:13] Pam Long: And we saw pregnant women in both the civilian sector and the military sector, pregnant and breastfeeding women, being coerced to take these COVID-19 vaccines.
[88:23] Pam Long: And what was your experience like in Canada, Bathsheba, with doctors pushing this on pregnant women?
[88:33] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Well, the issue here in Canada is that every province has this overall arching regulatory body college of physician insurgents.
[88:47] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And so our doctors are very restricted with being able to speak out against what has happened.
[88:54] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: Those doctors that have spoken out have been disciplined heavily and have been tarred and feathered in the media.
[89:17] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: This fits the clinical definition of negligence causing bodily harm, negligence causing death, because the government said it was safe and they knew it was not safe.
[89:34] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: to be able to speak freely to what they're actually witnessing when they're conducting autopsies, and to be able to ask the question of, is there a relationship here between the COVID-19 vaccination and cause of death?
[89:58] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: That information is being investigated by a number of, I call them the warrior volunteers across the country who have been conducting freedom of information requests and have been collating information they've obtained for government records.
[90:14] Pam Long: And the burden is really on parents at this point.
[90:18] Pam Long: You have these medical boards, as you described, that are beholden to pharmaceutical interests, and they're there to advance the pharmaceutical product.
[90:26] Pam Long: And so they have the ability to remove someone's credentials and remove their ability to practice medicine if they don't follow the vaccine recommendation that's happening in the United States as well.
[90:38] Pam Long: And if your child is injured or sick,
[90:42] Pam Long: the unthinkable, dies from a vaccine, the parents here in the United States are liable.
[90:47] Pam Long: These products are shielded from liability.
[90:50] Pam Long: The parents then, with any disability or death, are completely liable for the outcome of that child who could be disabled for life, never work,
[91:01] Pam Long: never have the ability to live independently.
[91:04] Pam Long: These are very real outcomes here.
[91:06] Pam Long: And parents, if you, God forbid, need an autopsy, you are going to have to direct them to look at, was this related to the vaccine?
[91:16] Pam Long: Is that the same situation in Canada?
[91:20] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And it's interesting that you bring that up because another expert that I had prepare a report in support of Detective Helen's case is Dr. Chan here in Alberta.
[91:30] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And he had a case where one of his patients had two healthy babies and then got the COVID-19 vaccination while she was pregnant on the third child.
[91:54] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: to be sent off to the United States to be tested for the spike protein in the COVID-19 vaccination.
[92:01] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And unfortunately, instead of testing for the COVID-19 vaccination spike protein, they tested for COVID-19 spike.
[92:11] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: I mean, I'm not a medical expert, but the issue was that he was very specific on what tissue needed to be tested for any kind of causal link between COVID-19 vaccination, and instead,
[92:23] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: What was carried out was with regards to COVID-19, the virus and not the vaccine itself.
[92:33] Yvonne Paez: You know, all of this just continues to go on.
[92:37] Yvonne Paez: But we, like I mentioned before, not only do you and all the people across Canada, those, you know, warriors that you say need to find the information and then have the courage to speak truth.
[92:51] Yvonne Paez: But I ask everybody else who maybe isn't doing the investigating, the finding to have the courage to,
[92:59] Yvonne Paez: to hear the truth and to demand that the truth be allowed to come out.
[93:06] Yvonne Paez: Because when it isn't and we let people suppress things and cancel other people out, all we do is create damage, harm and tragedy with people across the globe.
[93:17] Yvonne Paez: I mean, you know, not just the United States, but Canada and beyond.
[93:20] Pam Long: And how do we see this film here in the United States?
[93:27] Yvonne Paez: Tell us, Bathsheba, how is that going to come to the United States?
[93:37] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: I want to also share with you, just in line with what you're saying, the speaking the truth and then having it heard, I would add to that having it felt.
[94:04] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: He felt a very strong inspiration of calling, if you like, to create a documentary based on Detective Helen Greer's case and all of the corruption around it.
[94:53] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And then she looked at me in the eye and she said, I'm sharing this with you because I want you to know that it's real.
[95:03] Yvonne Paez: And, you know, it is very real because that reminds me back in our talks, our Perspectives 101 talks that we've had for over six years during COVID or, you know, just after we brought in a medical person to talk about COVID.
[95:19] Yvonne Paez: the COVID vaccine and she obviously was saying that it was safe and effective and all that other kind of good stuff and there was a group at the end when she opened for questions that was at Perspectives 101 that I hadn't seen before but you know we draw different people depending on the topic we're speaking of and it was a group of midwives that was there and they were asking questions and they said we are seeing higher deaths
[95:47] Yvonne Paez: of the women who have been vaccinated, that they're children.
[95:52] Yvonne Paez: And I don't really remember whether it was in utero or whether it was just after birth, but stillborns and things like that.
[96:02] Yvonne Paez: And an army of them came to Perspectives 101 to ask those questions.
[96:07] Yvonne Paez: And the presenter had no answer for that.
[96:12] Yvonne Paez: And so I find it very interesting when you and I first started
[96:16] Yvonne Paez: talked, Bathsheba, about you wanting to bring this beyond the borders of Canada into the United States.
[96:26] Yvonne Paez: And I said, bring it to Perspectives 101.
[96:32] Yvonne Paez: Because when we started talking, it reminded me of that meeting.
[96:37] Yvonne Paez: They're not really meetings, they're events.
[96:40] Yvonne Paez: many years ago where that army of midwives came forward and was, was trying to say that then, and then all these years later, now it comes full circle with you.
[96:50] Yvonne Paez: And I just want to mention that you will be visiting Northern Colorado in August to present at Perspectives 101, probably premiere in the United States, maybe at Perspectives 101 and,
[97:04] Yvonne Paez: with this documentary silencing detective growth.
[97:12] Yvonne Paez: And I want to mention out there for everybody who's listening that if you want this, this kind of presentation in your area, she is perhaps willing and has might have the time to go to other areas of Colorado.
[97:26] Yvonne Paez: So Southern Colorado and Western slope, I'm talking to you and Wyoming and even Montana are,
[97:33] Yvonne Paez: If you contact perspectives101.info at gmail.com and tell me who you are, how I can get in touch with you so we can speak, and that you would like to have Bathsheba come to your part of Colorado, all I ask is that you find an audience big enough worth her time because she is coming all the way from Canada to speak to us about stuff that we need to be united with.
[98:02] Yvonne Paez: And so we're going to be going to a quick commercial break.
[98:07] Yvonne Paez: But can you stay on with us, Bathsheba, to the next segment?
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[103:12] Pam Long: I have a question for Bathsheba.
[103:14] Pam Long: So we do know that pregnant women have experienced miscarriage of infants who are vaccinated with COVID vaccine.
[103:22] Pam Long: Do you have any knowledge or experience with people having miscarriages who were not vaccinated with the COVID-19 vaccine?
[103:30] Pam Long: I'm talking about the topic of shedding where people who are not vaccinated have this spike protein showing up in their blood and causing problems.
[103:41] Pam Long: He's immune compromised and he's been having trouble with spike protein in his blood and he did not receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
[104:03] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And we know that myocarditis is one of the adverse effects of the COVID-19 vaccination.
[104:08] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And it's highly unusual to have a healthy baby to simply go limp and die in a parent's arms.
[104:23] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So in January, she asked the lead detective, you know, did you ask about the COVID-19 vaccination status?
[104:31] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: They, the unit that investigates sudden infant deaths, have a questionnaire that has at least five sections where police officers work with pathologists to complete the medical history, including vaccinations of the parents and the babies.
[104:52] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: She called the father of the deceased infant and asked if the mother had taken the COVID-19 vaccination.
[105:08] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So when we fast forward to new information coming out about the shedding, there's now the question of, was the father infected?
[105:27] Pam Long: It is a concern, and that's something that parents should put on their radar if there's any type of issue like this with our kids.
[105:35] Pam Long: You know, was either parent vaccinated if the child was not vaccinated?
[105:40] Pam Long: And we don't have all the answers, but we should be asking the questions and collecting data.
[105:45] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: We absolutely should be because in Canada, what they've done, and it's not widely publicized, which is interesting, but it goes to the point of having so much medical information hidden from the public, is that the flu shot, which is given at times twice a year here in Canada, is now combined with the COVID-19 vaccination.
[106:08] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So twice a year, you're getting a lot of the population who are getting this mRNA injection.
[106:30] Yvonne Paez: And it's interesting that you mentioned the flu shot because in the first hour, Pam Long and I were talking about the flu shot and how it's really a guessing game as what virus is coming and how the efficacy is almost not there.
[106:44] Yvonne Paez: And now they're combining it with this.
[106:46] Pam Long: My question for you is, are parents and people in Canada getting informed consent that this new flu shot is a combo with mRNA technology?
[107:08] Pam Long: There's our medical ethics problem and it's, it's global.
[107:11] Pam Long: It's Canada's United States that I don't, people in the United States can go to a grocery store, which has a pharmacy and get the elderly can get like 10 vaccines at, on the same day.
[107:25] Pam Long: For free, it's heavy marketing and with no conversation about what they're getting and that it might not be safe to give, you know, 10 vaccines in one day.
[107:38] Pam Long: Because if we know intuitively that if you contracted 10 viruses at the same time, that would have significant health challenges for you, that maybe we should be spreading these out and giving people a little more informed consent on the product and the risks and potential benefits.
[107:57] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And I just want to add that the power is with the people and the sharing stories and the storytelling.
[108:05] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And there was something, Yvonne, that you mentioned earlier about these midwives that came forward and were asking questions.
[108:24] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And it was after the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccination, and they were trying to bring this information more into the public sphere.
[108:31] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: There's also this researcher, and he features in the documentary, Professor Denis Roncourt, who's undertaking an enormous project of going through all of the research and data, and a lot of it's taken out of the VAERS system in the United States,
[108:54] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: So on one hand, you have these miscarriages, these stillborns, these babies dying, you know, one year old within the large target, a few months old with neuro metabolic issues.
[109:09] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: have suffered excessive bleeding, hysterectomy, traumatic childbirth processes after having taken the COVID-19 vaccination.
[109:26] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: It's just going to be terrifying what the truth is going to tell us about how many women have suffered and have died that were pregnant that took the COVID-19 vaccination.
[109:38] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: from a nurse here in Alberta that she has seen that firsthand, but is afraid to talk about it publicly.
[109:46] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: And I just want to share with you that I have another client, and I have authorization to speak about this, but she was eight months pregnant when she took the two Mordana vaccine, and her childbirth was so traumatic, she died because of excessive bleeding.
[110:08] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: She got the vaccine injury of transverse myelitis, which is a neurological disease where she's chest down.
[110:19] Yvonne Paez: Pam was talking about that earlier as well.
[110:23] Yvonne Paez: Time just gets away from us and we're going to have to have you back.
[110:27] Yvonne Paez: There's so much information for people here and that's what they need is to be informed.
[110:32] Yvonne Paez: We need to pass around through friends to listen to these kinds of programs to get the information that you will just not get in newspapers.
[110:41] Yvonne Paez: You will not get it through regular television.
[110:46] Yvonne Paez: And how can they find out more about you and where to get this information, Bathsheba?
[110:55] Bath-Sheba van den Berg: I don't have a social media presence, but if you type my name into Google or Detective Helen Grace, there's quite a lot of alternative newspapers that have been published.
[111:12] Yvonne Paez: So your name is Bath-Sheba, S-H-E-B-A, and then Van Den Berg, right?
[111:22] Yvonne Paez: And if they Google that, they should find some of it.
[111:42] Yvonne Paez: And it must be military day at the Kim Monson Show because I believe you are a military leader as well, weren't you?
[111:55] Yvonne Paez: I admire it in the British Army Reserve.
[112:00] Yvonne Paez: Anyway, so the quote for the end of the show is from Hippocrates.
[112:04] Yvonne Paez: Make a habit of two things to help or at least to do no harm.
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