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[06:24] Kim Monson: I don't think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can't understand that.
[06:33] Kim Monson: Today's current opinions and ideas.
[06:36] Kim Monson: And it's not fair, just because you're a big business, that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn't.
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[06:51] Kim Monson: And welcome to The Kim Monson Show.
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[07:09] Kim Monson: We've got an amazing team that we get to work with.
[07:11] Kim Monson: And I thank each and every one of them.
[07:13] Kim Monson: And that is Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting.
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[07:30] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It seems like that's what takes time.
[07:33] Kim Monson: And very pleased to have in studio with me my friend Allen Thomas.
[07:39] Kim Monson: He's a frequent guest and also a very valued guest host.
[07:45] Kim Monson: And you've written a piece that we're going to be talking about, Can Your Vote Be Bought?
[07:51] Kim Monson: There's a lot going on regarding that right now.
[07:55] Allen Thomas: And, you know, it even had to get delayed a day or two because she came out with fresh new opportunities to try and buy certain demographics.
[08:02] Allen Thomas: So it's it's truly unbelievable, you know, what she and Biden and Obama have tried to do to literally buy your vote with false promises.
[08:13] Allen Thomas: And I was yeah, it's pretty shocking what's happening out there.
[08:20] Kim Monson: And I had come across, as you know, we've done the movie, A Climate Conversation.
[08:27] Kim Monson: And Walt Johnson took money out of his retirement account to make this movie, to have just a real honest conversation about what's happening regarding climate change.
[08:37] Kim Monson: And I came across this headline yesterday.
[08:42] Kim Monson: It says, clear conflict of interest.
[08:44] Kim Monson: The Biden- HarrisEnvironmental Justice Advisors raked in nearly$ 500 million from taxpayers.
[08:53] Kim Monson: So they're pushing out this narrative.
[08:57] Kim Monson: And then it's become a religion almost for some people.
[09:01] Kim Monson: But they're spinning us into oblivion, Alan.
[09:09] Allen Thomas: And I think you highlighted the best point about that is progressivism is a religion, right?
[09:14] Allen Thomas: When you have this moral relativity, you don't have a religion except for the religion of your beliefs and your ideology.
[09:21] Allen Thomas: And that's why it's so difficult to persuade people.
[09:24] Allen Thomas: Because when you think about your religion being attacked, it's pretty off- putting,right?
[09:31] Allen Thomas: You get pretty defensive right away, which is why when you bring up, hey, maybe we should think about, you know, is this really anthropocentric global warming, or is this a natural warming of the planet, or how much are we actually contributing?
[09:43] Allen Thomas: You're attacking their very core of their beliefs because it's been spun so much by the mainstream media and by these quote- unquoteexperts and politicians that it is a religion for them.
[09:57] Kim Monson: Oh, and the religion, though, is, so let's connect that dot.
[10:02] Kim Monson: Remember in the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, it says that Congress shall not put forth any religion, right?
[10:10] Kim Monson: And so here we, though, have this where you've got an administration, and it's been going on for quite some time, that is pushing money into this religion.
[10:23] Kim Monson: I think that that is really, the founders realized the danger of that.
[10:30] Kim Monson: And I think many people think about our religion of.
[10:34] Kim Monson: It could be Christianity or whatever, but I think they also probably meant this.
[10:43] Allen Thomas: I mean they were very concerned about demagoguery, and that's really what demagogues do, is they?
[10:49] Allen Thomas: They get you to your passions instead of your reason and talking.
[10:53] Allen Thomas: You know very much like what the Greeks thought.
[10:56] Allen Thomas: They said: hey, your passionate self, the self that gives in to all of your emotions is a self that isn't really fully realized.
[11:22] Allen Thomas: Like, you know, hey, you know, dogs go and eat whenever they want, right?
[11:32] Allen Thomas: They're not critically thinking about life.
[11:26] Allen Thomas: And so they said: you need to really watch out when your political leaders are using fear and anger and all of these emotions as opposed to stepping back and using reasoning, to really come up with these policy ideas, to really convince you that they're your true representative.
[11:33] Allen Thomas: It's not that we're immune on the right, any more than the left is succumbing to it with this whole climate change religion.
[11:40] Allen Thomas: It's something that everyone is susceptible to, which is why we have the Constitution that's supposed to bind down our government to not allow them to, for instance, take$ 500 million of taxpayers' money and take it from some and give it to few.
[12:11] Kim Monson: And they have a picture of, I think the article said there's 36 advisors, and all these advisors are getting money.
[12:04] Kim Monson: And this really goes back to the O'Biden- Harrisadministration,and now she wants to give up a whole bunch more money.
[12:12] Kim Monson: So we'll talk about that here in just a moment, and we'll stay on task here.
[12:16] Kim Monson: Our word of the day is Semper Fidelis, and that is the motto of the Marines, and it's always faithful.
[12:25] Kim Monson: And I chose that because sharing from the Center for American Values Medal of Honor quote book, and I really would recommend that you all have that on your your library or in your library at home, and it is a great gift for Christmas.
[12:43] Kim Monson: You can find that by going to American value Center org, but this is from John J McGinty III, and he died in 2014..
[12:50] Kim Monson: And this is his citation for what he did.
[12:59] Kim Monson: 1966 was really a tough year for the Vietnam War.
[13:06] Kim Monson: It says, for his conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life.
[13:11] Kim Monson: 2nd Lieutenant McGinty's platoon, which was providing rear security to protect the withdrawal of the battalion from a position which had been under attack for three days, came under heavy small arms, automatic weapons and mortar fire from an estimated enemy regiment with each successive human wave which assaulted his 32- man platoonduring the four- hour battle.
[13:31] Kim Monson: Second, lieutenant mcginney rallied his men to beat off the enemy in one bitter assault.
[13:36] Kim Monson: Two of the squads became separated from the remainder of the platoon with complete disregard for his safety.
[13:42] Kim Monson: McGinty charged through intense automatic weapons and mortar fire to their position.
[13:49] Kim Monson: Finding 20 men wounded and the medical corpsman killed, he quickly reloaded ammunition magazines and weapons for the wounded men and directed their fire upon the enemy.
[13:59] Kim Monson: Although he was painfully wounded as he moved to care for the disabled men, he continued to shout encouragement to his troops and to direct their fire so effectively that the attacking hordes were beaten off.
[14:09] Kim Monson: When the enemy tried to outflank his position, he killed five of them at point- blank rangewith his pistol.
[14:15] Kim Monson: When they again seemed on the verge of overrunning the small force, he skillfully adjusted artillery and airstrikes within 50 yards of his position.
[14:25] Kim Monson: This destructive firepower routed the enemy who left an estimated 500 bodies on the battlefield.
[14:31] Kim Monson: Second Lieutenant McEntee's personal heroism, indomitable leadership, and selfless devotion to duty and bold fighting spirit inspired his men to resist the repeated attacks by a fanatical enemy reflected great credit upon himself and uphold the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the U.
[14:50] Kim Monson: Alan, I feel that in this battle of ideas right now, I talk to so many people, so many people are concerned about what's going on in our country and we can take great hope, I think, from these particular stories.
[15:07] Allen Thomas: I mean you think about the 20 people that he helped save as well.
[15:11] Allen Thomas: I mean it's a lot of times it's it's easy to get down about whether you're really making a difference or not.
[15:19] Allen Thomas: Right, especially when, when we're talking about elections and ballots and all the initiatives that, of course, you are going through, uh, with that, but you know one of the great things we can always do is we, We can always control what we personally can take action on.
[15:35] Allen Thomas: And that's what these stories always highlight is instead of getting down about having an insurmountable force in front of you, he says, you know what, I'm going to do what I think I need to do.
[15:46] Allen Thomas: And having the bravery to just keep going is the difference between, you know, receiving a Medal of Honor and not.
[15:55] Kim Monson: And be sure and get that Medal of Honor book from the Center for American Values.
[16:00] Kim Monson: that website is americanvaluecenter.
[16:01] Kim Monson: Org, andthis is the quote from john mcginty, the third he said this medal I wear was earned by the men of the first platoon of kilo company, fourth marine regiment.
[16:14] Kim Monson: Against tremendous odds, they upheld the honor of the marine corps.
[16:16] Kim Monson: I am proud to have been their leader.
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[19:12] Kim Monson: And very pleased to have on the line with me dr donna walter, and she is running for state house.
[19:19] Kim Monson: And donna walter, welcome to the show.
[19:26] Kim Monson: And what district is it that you're running for?
[19:29] Donna Walter: I am running for House District 53, which is pretty much the west side of Fort Collins College over to Horsetooth Reservoir.
[19:37] Donna Walter: They redistricted, and it kind of looks all chopped up, but somewhere around Drake up north to Vine, Country Club, and I-25.
[19:49] Kim Monson: Okay, and that's House District 53, is that right?
[19:56] Kim Monson: Walter, why have you decided to run for state house?
[20:01] Donna Walter: The fellow that I'm running against is the majority whip and he whips his caucus in line and the things that he's come out with with the last couple years.
[20:12] Donna Walter: Uh, you see, also he's a as per trevor loudon.
[20:17] Donna Walter: He is the democratic socialist of america chair and that is the front for the communist party, usa.
[20:26] Donna Walter: So nothing he has done is anything that I would support.
[20:32] Donna Walter: Nor, um, I think, if the people knew those things about him, they would not have voted for him.
[20:40] Kim Monson: I think there's a lot of that going around at this particular point in time.
[20:45] Kim Monson: So you said that he's actually a Democrat socialist?
[21:01] Donna Walter: He also is endorsed by the goose who they support, the world economic.
[21:12] Kim Monson: Thank you, yeah, yes, and colorado is really in a difficult situation.
[21:19] Kim Monson: And, uh, and down at the state house, as president of the colorado union of taxpayers, uh, we have been watching all of the legislation that is proposed, and over almost 800 pieces of legislation were proposed last year.
[21:38] Kim Monson: So if elected, what's one of the first things that you would do, Dr.
[21:43] Donna Walter: Well, probably try to undo some of what he has done, which is very difficult, but I've got enough experience that, you know, after they've done something, You've got to bring something up, amend it.
[22:04] Donna Walter: So when everybody says, oh, I'm going to run this bill, I'm going to run that bill, how about we just kind of fix some of the stuff that has gone on and not be wanting, oh, I ran all these bills.
[22:15] Donna Walter: That's part of how we've gotten into trouble.
[22:22] Kim Monson: I really honestly don't think we need another law in Colorado.
[22:27] Kim Monson: We've got plenty right now, and I love the idea of walking that back.
[22:31] Kim Monson: Tell us a little bit about you, Dr.
[22:42] Donna Walter: I have about 30 years of experience working at the Capitol, helping to draft legislation, fighting for legislation, fighting for rights against overpowerful special interests, which you well know pretty much goes on.
[22:58] Donna Walter: And I know people get elected and they have all these wonderful ideas that they think they're going to do.
[23:04] Donna Walter: Then they get caught up in, I'm not sure exactly what happens, but they are no longer standing on what they ran for, and I'm not a politician.
[23:12] Donna Walter: I have a job to do, and that is to stop putting things on the people that don't need to be there.
[23:31] Kim Monson: Well, I think that's really an important distinction because when I call them PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, many times when they say yes, what they're saying yes to is they're saying yes to these special interest agendas.
[23:48] Kim Monson: And I think that's important for people to understand that.
[23:51] Kim Monson: So how's it going out on the campaign trail, Dr.
[24:02] Donna Walter: And until this information came known to me, I think pretty much people were ignoring me.
[24:11] Donna Walter: But now that this has been made known, people's ears are perking up because they were boondoggled.
[24:21] Donna Walter: They were not happy to hear what he's been involved in.
[24:26] Donna Walter: And, of course, his bills have been, you know, he has supported the ideology of mutilating children.
[24:33] Donna Walter: He has the right for first, what's it, the property.
[24:39] Donna Walter: He supports YIMBY, Yes in My Backyard, 15-Minute Cities, taking away your private property rights.
[24:49] Donna Walter: And it just, it's, I'm going off on a tangent probably, so bring me back.
[24:59] Kim Monson: Well, yeah, we have seen that down at the Statehouse, that there has just been so many different things that have been proposed and passed and then signed by this governor that really are an assault upon private property rights.
[25:11] Kim Monson: And owning property, whether or not it's your intellectual property or your physical property, your tangible property, is something that is basically it's one of the foundational principles of America.
[25:29] Kim Monson: These 15-minute cities, ultimately what that means is that people will be living in areas that they'll just stay in those particular areas.
[25:37] Kim Monson: And we see that with up and down the corridor, here in the Front Range, with all of these four-and five- storyapartment buildings.
[25:46] Kim Monson: Walter, I couldn't figure out how this was happening.
[25:48] Kim Monson: But then I learned from our sponsors, Lorne Levy and Karen Levine, that developers are receiving very favorable financing to build these apartment buildings.
[26:01] Kim Monson: And then many times some of the rent is subsidized in these apartment buildings as well.
[26:06] Kim Monson: So that means it's making it more expensive for people that are trying to not be on the government dole and pay for their own way.
[26:15] Kim Monson: But then money is taken from them to give to others through subsidizing apartment rents.
[26:21] Kim Monson: But also then, of course, we're seeing a lot of crime and this real influx of illegal immigration as well.
[26:29] Kim Monson: Are you seeing that in your district in Fort Collins?
[26:34] Donna Walter: And it's not quite as bad or as noticeable as it is down in Arvada, I believe.
[26:44] Donna Walter: But it is here, and we have our city, Fort Collins, has voted to cover the legal expenses for people who are here without permission.
[27:02] Kim Monson: And, yeah, so there's a lot that we need to be doing about this.
[27:10] Kim Monson: Walter, what is the message that you really want to send to listeners, and how can people get more information about you?
[27:21] Donna Walter: We don't need the Marxist type of policies that my opponent supports.
[27:34] Donna Walter: This message has to get out to people because I don't think they know about it.
[27:37] Donna Walter: And the best way to do that is to get in touch with me, donaldwalter.
[27:41] Donna Walter: com,and then you can let me know how you can help.
[27:45] Donna Walter: We've got calling, walking, and then you have to touch.
[27:48] Donna Walter: People have to hear about you about five times.
[27:51] Donna Walter: And unfortunately, with Biden economics, that costs a whole lot more than it has in the past.
[27:57] Donna Walter: So, and you don't have to live here to help.
[28:02] Donna Walter: And that's something that people need to know also that it's easier if you're going to help walk and things, but you don't have to live here if you want to call, donate, etc.
[28:13] Donna Walter: And that is necessary to get the message out because people don't know this.
[28:20] Donna Walter: First refusal and all these property rights things and can't protect ourselves.
[28:29] Kim Monson: Well, and yeah, and so again, what's that website, Dr.
[28:44] Kim Monson: Well, Donna, thank you so much for stepping forward to run for House District 53.
[28:55] Kim Monson: Donna Walter, and she's a candidate for House District 53, which is up in the Fort Collins area.
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[31:42] Kim Monson: In studio with me is my friend, Allen Thomas, and he's written a very important essay.
[31:52] Kim Monson: So Allen Thomas, where do you want to start with this?
[31:56] Allen Thomas: Well, you know, the beginnings of it kind of started back reading the Federalist Papers, but then it also kind of started out with a lot of the wordsmithing that you see going on around the Harris campaign, right?
[32:10] Allen Thomas: And I kind of jokingly point out like, no, you might not wake up to a crisp stack of$ 100 bills sitting on your doorstep, but they are promising money to voters in a very obvious attempt to try and influence how you vote.
[32:25] Allen Thomas: And, you know, one of the more obvious ones that is entirely infuriating because you know the entire path that this is going to take is the$ 25, 000of down payment assistance, as she says, right?
[32:40] Allen Thomas: The we're going to make sure and build so many new homes, so many new apartments.
[32:49] Allen Thomas: Basically, we're going to increase the supply.
[32:53] Allen Thomas: And, you know, it's infuriating because we've seen this in the past, right?
[32:57] Allen Thomas: We've seen the government promise money to help X, Y, Z.
[33:05] Allen Thomas: And the most notable, of course, is student loans and higher education.
[33:09] Allen Thomas: You know, we've seen the government say we need to make this more affordable.
[33:14] Allen Thomas: And so what they do is they get in the student loan game.
[33:20] Allen Thomas: to the price of higher education since the federal government has promised that they'd make it more affordable.
[33:29] Allen Thomas: It's skyrocketed compared to the cost of living even over the past decade.
[33:36] Allen Thomas: And so we see what happens when the government comes in and says, we're going to help and we're going to inject money into this specific area, we see what happens.
[33:47] Allen Thomas: And it's very obvious if you follow economics, what would happen, right?
[33:52] Allen Thomas: If all of this money suddenly gets injected in, well, of course, the cost is going to go up.
[33:59] Allen Thomas: I mean, you look at this and you're like, how does the cost of a new home not just automatically increase$ 25,000 because they know you're going to be getting a$ 25,000 check from the federal government or tax relief or however they want to structure it.
[34:16] Allen Thomas: The fact is, they're trying to buy your vote by telling you that they're going to do this, not realizing that they're going to exacerbate an issue that is already plaguing many of middle America.
[34:27] Kim Monson: Well, and I just saw this headline yesterday that the Biden administration's canceled student loans for more than 1 million in public service jobs.
[34:35] Allen Thomas: Yep, and yet again, look at, look at what that's done again too, right.
[34:41] Allen Thomas: You look at the promises that biden made, that obama made about this student loan forgiveness, and yet they're struck down by the supreme court.
[34:51] Allen Thomas: And harris still trots out the same line, that she's going to somehow figure out a way to do it, that she's somehow going to pass on that burden onto the rest of everybody else who didn't get a student loan or those who did pay off their student loans.
[35:06] Allen Thomas: And it's just so obvious what they're trying to do, that they're trying to buy these specific sets of people because of an economy that they've created.
[35:17] Kim Monson: And I think inherently people realize what's going on.
[35:23] Kim Monson: Of course, when you get to the self-interest component.
[35:25] Kim Monson: And that is where what is really happening here.
[35:29] Kim Monson: There's this self-interest component that the Harris administration, the Biden, O'Bidenadministration, they realize that inherently individuals look out for themselves.
[35:41] Kim Monson: And so if they could have their student loans forgiven, or if they can have down payment assistance on an individual basis, even though I think people understand maybe what's going on, that self- interestthing gets in the way.
[35:59] Allen Thomas: And the other point, the other half of the article is not only can your vote be bought, but what is the true price of it, right?
[36:09] Allen Thomas: And to your point, of course, you know, people will say, oh yeah, of course he's trying to buy my vote.
[36:13] Allen Thomas: Like, of course,$ 25, 000sounds great, but we tend to look at things in a short term.
[36:20] Allen Thomas: And when you're given solid figures, it's tough to look at the imaginary numbers in the future, right?
[36:29] Allen Thomas: So it's a lot easier to say, okay, I'm going to get$ 25, 000.
[36:34] Allen Thomas: What's not concrete is saying, hey, the prices of homes are going to be inflated.
[36:39] Allen Thomas: Your cost of living is going to be inflated.
[36:43] Allen Thomas: You are going to be in a worst position by accepting that free money.
[36:46] Allen Thomas: And we can also point to the even more obvious one, right?
[36:53] Allen Thomas: We also saw what Trump and Biden did, injecting billions of dollars into our economy through quote- unquoterelief money, right?
[37:02] Allen Thomas: We know what happens when money is pumped into the system.
[37:08] Allen Thomas: We know that our pocketbook suffers, that the power of the dollar goes down.
[37:12] Allen Thomas: And yet it's so easy to look at that short- terminterest as opposed to looking at the long- termeffect of a certain policy position.
[37:25] Allen Thomas: And that's why these are so dangerous when politicians try to promise you something quickly and upfront, and they're no longer looking at not only what it's going to do to your life going forward, but more importantly, what's going to happen to our posterity, to our kids, to our grandkids, what are we going to be leaving them by enacting a$ 25, 000home loan, first home loan assistance?
[37:48] Kim Monson: Ellen, do you think that in this time that we're in, where, for example, abortion, that's such a big issue.
[37:58] Kim Monson: One of my friends that's running for state house said that she was knocking on doors and she knocked on the door.
[38:04] Kim Monson: A young woman came to the door, probably a new voter.
[38:08] Kim Monson: This will be the first time she voted.
[38:09] Kim Monson: and she was just ecstatic that she was going to be able to vote for, I love, women's health care.
[38:18] Kim Monson: And do you not think, now I kind of lost my train of thought on that, but do you, I think help me out here.
[38:31] Kim Monson: I can't remember now the point I was going to make on that.
[38:33] Kim Monson: I'll get back to it in just a minute.
[38:34] Allen Thomas: I mean, it's easy to make things over- politicized,right?
[38:37] Allen Thomas: And the left has done a brilliant job on making these issues binary.
[38:42] Allen Thomas: Like, are you for or are you against abortion?
[38:46] Allen Thomas: If you're against abortion, well, then you hate women.
[38:52] Allen Thomas: If you don't vote for me, then you really don't like people having homes, do you?
[38:59] Allen Thomas: Because I'm going to provide them$ 25, 000for a first- timehome loan.
[39:06] Allen Thomas: So if you don't like people, well, go ahead and vote for the Republicans.
[39:12] Allen Thomas: And they really take away the, they really try and make these issues binary when they're not.
[39:17] Allen Thomas: You know, you love your grandkids more than I'll ever love them.
[39:21] Allen Thomas: I know I love, I'll love my kids more than anybody else on the planet, except my wife, may ever love them.
[39:28] Allen Thomas: And we allow them to almost steal our humanity a little bit through these arguments and through this wordsmithing that somehow they care more for others than we do, when it's just a fact of life that that's not true at all.
[39:58] Kim Monson: So, okay, so now I remember where I was headed with this, is that because of abortion, I think that we have gotten to a point where people may not think about passing something on to the next generation.
[40:12] Kim Monson: because I think what happens is people have become very center- focusedon ourselves and have not really thought about, like our founders did, that they put it all on the line.
[40:11] Kim Monson: And I know that they've been demonized and that people have said, oh, they were just a bunch of rich white guys.
[40:19] Kim Monson: Well, as you really think about, as they're signing the declaration that they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, They weren't kidding because they could hear the British cannons just down the river.
[40:30] Kim Monson: I don't think people really think about what they did for the next generation and for all these generations.
[40:36] Kim Monson: Now I think that we've gotten, as a society, so focused on what it is we want to do.
[40:44] Kim Monson: So if somebody comes in and says, I'm going to give you money for this, I'm going to give you money for that, they go, oh, that's a great idea, instead of thinking about what those long- termramifications might be.
[40:53] Allen Thomas: And that's a great point, kim, and I know we've talked about this a lot.
[40:59] Allen Thomas: You know extensively on the show, is this loss of virtue that our, that our nation has had, and and there were really the, the four virtues that really come up time and time and time again in the federalist papers, and maybe we'll come back to this point.
[41:12] Allen Thomas: But um this, this idea of self- reliance,self- restraint,self- assertionand civic knowledge were critical for our republic.
[41:21] Allen Thomas: One, because when you look at self- restraint,it's not only restraining yourself, it's restraining others, right?
[41:28] Allen Thomas: It's, okay, if I can show through my principle that I'm willing to not vote for something that immediately benefits me, maybe others will see that and begin to question, hey, you know, this was really going to benefit you, Kim.
[41:43] Allen Thomas: And you can say, well, here's the principle, here's why.
[41:47] Allen Thomas: This self- relianceis another thing that we've lost as well.
[41:52] Allen Thomas: And that's why so many people look to the federal government for help- is because they no longer have this desire to even be self- reliant.
[42:01] Allen Thomas: They expect it out of their federal government.
[42:03] Allen Thomas: They expect the federal government to help them in their times of need.
[42:11] Allen Thomas: The Federalist Papers was very, very biased.
[42:14] Allen Thomas: It was very heavily in favor of the Constitution.
[42:16] Allen Thomas: It was a group of newspaper articles that was specifically written to pass the Constitution, to convince the American people to ratify it.
[42:26] Allen Thomas: But it is interesting when you read through all of them, how hyper- focusedthey are, not only on the current day, but also, like you pointed out, on the future.
[42:37] Allen Thomas: and saying, listen, if we don't do this now, if you want to do this just because of this one short- termbenefit, here's all the problems that you're going to encounter.
[42:47] Allen Thomas: And here's how that's going to make life very difficult, maybe even for us in 10 years, but most certainly for your children and for this country a hundred years from now.
[42:58] Allen Thomas: And it's that ability to sit back and think about things beyond yourself and to be virtuous with your own life and your own actions that, of course, we have had a loss of, and a lot of that can be, you know, again pinned back to the the nihilism and the progressivism that's really slowly marched itself through all of our institutions through the past hundred years.
[43:21] Kim Monson: Well, and I think this colorado ballot is a perfect example.
[43:27] Kim Monson: Amendment G would be an amendment to the Constitution which would give some property tax relief to unemployable veterans.
[43:38] Kim Monson: And my gosh, every time you put the word veteran in something, it's so difficult to say no to that.
[43:45] Kim Monson: But, and you know I love our veterans, I love our military, I love our freedom, people that have put their lives on the line for us.
[43:54] Kim Monson: And I guess now is a great time to just mention the USMC Memorial Foundation because what they're doing, what Paula Sarlls and her team is doing to raise the money for the remodel, they take care of the Marine Memorial out at 6th and Colfax.
[44:08] Kim Monson: I just, I really appreciate our veterans and our military.
[44:13] Kim Monson: However, what we see then is that these things that we care about can be used to push forward Marxism.
[44:23] Kim Monson: So I had a friend yesterday that texted me and I interviewed her father, he's a World War II veteran, and she said, Kim, you're a no on Amendment G.
[44:35] Kim Monson: And I said, this was heart- itwas gut- wrenching forme to come out as a no on this.
[44:40] Kim Monson: But the reason is because it is based in Marxism.
[44:44] Kim Monson: Marxism takes people and puts them in different groups and then it taxes them unequally.
[44:55] Kim Monson: And that is that property taxes are too high.
[44:58] Kim Monson: So to give property tax relief here to an unemployable veteran, how about we just lower property taxes across the board?
[45:12] Kim Monson: But it's a difficult argument to make until you actually are having a conversation about it.
[45:20] Kim Monson: But as I've talked with people about it, they're like, aha, I get it.
[45:25] Kim Monson: And so we see these things that are based in Marxism that tug on our heartstrings.
[45:29] Kim Monson: And it actually is very frustrating.
[45:30] Allen Thomas: And perhaps I'll be able to help with why it's so frustrating.
[45:35] Allen Thomas: because you had to go with this whole prelude about what you actually think about veterans, right?
[45:41] Allen Thomas: When it's clear from your program, you harp the USMC Memorial Foundation, you do Americans Veterans Stories, you have a Medal of Honor citation every Friday.
[45:51] Allen Thomas: It's obvious how much you love veterans and how much you want to do for them.
[45:57] Allen Thomas: And the reason why it's so frustrating talking about why you're a no vote is because the very premise of what you're answering by laying all of that out in the first place is that if you vote no against this, you don't care about unemployed veterans.
[46:13] Allen Thomas: And that is how progressivism has very articulately put their policy positions forward.
[46:20] Allen Thomas: Is, they say, a no vote, for this is a vote against caring for people.
[46:27] Allen Thomas: And really what we're saying is, no, it's not.
[46:34] Allen Thomas: And that's why it's heart- wrenching, Kim,is because really the premise of the question you're even answering is, I don't care.
[46:42] Allen Thomas: And as somebody that cares deeply about others, we can get very focused on that and want to explain our actions away when really what we need to do is we need to say, no, you don't get to take my compassion away.
[46:54] Allen Thomas: You don't get to take my caring for others away.
[46:56] Allen Thomas: I disagree with how we're going to do that.
[46:59] Allen Thomas: And I don't believe that what you're doing is truly getting to the heart of fixing the issue and caring for these people.
[47:07] Allen Thomas: And it's going to be very, very difficult because that's going to be the first premise that many on the left go to is, Oh, you must not care about unemployed veterans.
[47:15] Allen Thomas: Oh, you must not care about police officers and their training, right?
[47:19] Allen Thomas: Another ballot initiative, which I am a no on.
[47:22] Allen Thomas: And it's, it's like saying, no, that's, that's not what I feel at all.
[47:29] Allen Thomas: There's a, and a lot of times I know what we believe as well is, Hey, you're putting a bandaid on an issue and you're not actually fixing the wound.
[47:38] Allen Thomas: And, and that's where, that's where if you encounter somebody who doesn't even want to listen to you, who has this assumption that they're a morally superior person, it's probably best to just let them walk on by because you're going to be beating yourself up against the wall.
[47:53] Allen Thomas: But when you have people that are open to talking about it, that's where the premise needs to be.
[47:58] Allen Thomas: Hey, what is the true issue and is this going to fix it?
[48:02] Allen Thomas: And like many of these ballot initiatives, yes, we have a plan on how to fix a lot of these issues and to take away a lot of the pains that people are encountering, but it's not this way.
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[50:45] Kim Monson: We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[50:52] Kim Monson: if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[50:57] Kim Monson: His essay will roll out this weekend as Can Your Vote Be Bought?
[51:00] Kim Monson: And you had to do some adjustments on your piece because Kamala Harris is out there wanting to buy some other votes, yes?
[51:10] Allen Thomas: She's realizing she's not very popular among men.
[51:13] Allen Thomas: And then more specifically, she's really losing a key demographic of African American men.
[51:19] Allen Thomas: So of course, she rolls out this opportunity for black men initiative.
[51:23] Allen Thomas: And it's so funny because it's, it's so blatantly unconstitutional, right?
[51:29] Allen Thomas: And, and we saw this last year with the Supreme court.
[51:32] Allen Thomas: I mean, they, they said, Hey, you can't have these special loans and grants, uh, specifically for a certain race of students.
[51:40] Allen Thomas: You know, they said that's unconstitutional.
[51:42] Allen Thomas: If you want to end racism, you need to end all of it.
[51:45] Allen Thomas: And yet she comes out with this, uh, this proposal.
[51:48] Allen Thomas: And then it's funny because like a day literally yesterday, she kind of had to walk it back a bit and say, oh, well, it's actually not open just to black men.
[52:00] Allen Thomas: And, you know, you can almost hear the eye roll and the wink in the background going, okay, yeah, sure.
[52:06] Allen Thomas: But it's just an obvious, obvious attempt to say, hey, we're going to give you a forgivable business loan.
[52:15] Allen Thomas: We're going to make sure there's opportunities for you, but we're only going to pick you.
[52:19] Allen Thomas: Right and in the article I kind of point out like hey, black women, she doesn't really care about you.
[52:25] Allen Thomas: Like hey, if you're mexican, chinese, filipino, if you're from anywhere else other than white, she's not really worried about you.
[52:34] Allen Thomas: That's why she's not offering you this specific amount of funding, because she thinks she already has your vote or she's not going to get it in the first place.
[52:41] Allen Thomas: And it's it's blatant racism and it's it's to say it's unconstitutional, but Also to say it's incredibly unfair to everyone else to say hey, why are you only buying their vote?
[52:54] Allen Thomas: Why can't you buy my vote as well if you really want to look at it that way?
[52:58] Kim Monson: And she's more than happy to do that.
[53:04] Kim Monson: And remember, the government cannot give to someone what they have not first taken away from somebody else.
[53:11] Kim Monson: Now, granted, in our generation, they're taking away money via taxes, fees, all that.
[53:17] Kim Monson: But with all of this debt, they're taking away the future of our children.
[53:22] Allen Thomas: And I mean, you know, we talk a lot about the top 1%, right?
[53:26] Allen Thomas: We talk a lot about the rich need to pay their share.
[53:29] Allen Thomas: And I saw this one thing that if the federal government confiscated the top 455 wealthiest individuals complete their entire wealth, it wouldn't even fund the government for half a year.
[53:42] Allen Thomas: Like that's how much we are spending now that we say, oh, the rich should pay their fair share.
[53:47] Allen Thomas: Well, the rich couldn't even afford to pay for the government at this point.
[53:51] Allen Thomas: So to even say that is intellectually dishonest because, you know, we're like you point out, we're spending so much just to try and buy people's happiness, to buy people's safety that we really haven't come to terms with how far this is going to impact future generations?
[54:11] Kim Monson: And we've got to start to think about these future generations.
[54:18] Kim Monson: And I think that sometimes I look at where we are right now, and I feel that we're a very selfish generation.
[54:23] Kim Monson: And maybe I'm speaking more for my generation, because it's the baby boomers.
[54:29] Kim Monson: We've really had just the pinnacle of human flourishing and prosperity.
[54:35] Kim Monson: And I think in some ways my generation has gotten so self-focused.
[54:40] Kim Monson: Unlike the generation, the greatest generation, these young men that put their lives on the line for liberty to free Europe, to stand against Japan and that tyranny.
[54:55] Kim Monson: Although I think I'm also, I'm seeing so many people that are understanding what's at stake and stepping forward also, Alan.
[55:09] Allen Thomas: It reminds me of the quote that, of course, goes around that, you know, strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men, weak men create hard times, and hard times create, you know, tough and strong men.
[55:22] Allen Thomas: So it's a cycle that we seem to have to go through where it's the irony of peace, right?
[55:30] Allen Thomas: Peace is something you want to strive and you want to get.
[55:34] Allen Thomas: But then, as soon as you get it, you're creating this, this situation where you don't have to be tough, you don't have to think difficult things, because you're in this, this place where you don't have to work hard, you don't have to fight right.
[55:46] Allen Thomas: So it's one of those those difficult times in every society and every empire and every republic has had to go through it.
[55:58] Allen Thomas: Our country was founded on an idea, and this beautiful idea that is, that cannot be taken back, you know, and and the beauty of the declaration is it's been written down it, we can always refer back to it, and it's always going to be true that all men were created equal.
[56:17] Allen Thomas: And since we have that guiding focus, whether america survives or not, there will be another country in future that will look to that idea and say: hey, that is an ideal, that is something we should strive for, and no country is ever perfect, but it is a perfect goal to be aiming ourselves towards and and to that end, and kind of the way that we- I wrapped the article up- is to say hey, you know, we need to be looking at that goal.
[56:43] Allen Thomas: You know we, we can't be looking at what's just going to benefit me.
[56:47] Allen Thomas: We need to look at: is this benefiting everyone or is this just benefiting me or a certain sub?
[56:52] Allen Thomas: And if it is, well, then it's probably an obvious attempt to lie to me and to get my vote.
[57:00] Allen Thomas: We need to realize and put out to all politicians that liberty is priceless.
[57:04] Allen Thomas: And that is something that we are going to vote for.
[57:07] Allen Thomas: And so we need to be very obvious with our votes and with our support this upcoming election cycle that, no, we can't be bought.
[57:15] Allen Thomas: These very obvious attempts are what they are.
[57:19] Allen Thomas: They're politicians trying to lie, cheat, and steal their way into power.
[57:23] Allen Thomas: And we know history, and we know that politicians that do that, it doesn't end up well when they actually get that power.
[57:30] Kim Monson: Because to your point is that she doesn't really care about black men.
[57:38] Kim Monson: She doesn't really care about anybody, she.
[57:40] Kim Monson: What she cares about is power and she's willing to do anything to try to to maintain that.
[57:47] Kim Monson: And it's not just her, it's all of the people that are are controlling her and, you know, putting that out there.
[57:54] Kim Monson: So one of my friends, she, the girls, were over the other night and she did her.
[58:01] Kim Monson: She did a kamala word, salad, which I just have forgotten how funny all those things are, that we should be unburdened by the things that are insignificant because they're insignificant because we're unburdened by them.
[58:14] Kim Monson: It's crazy what's going on with her right now.
[58:16] Kim Monson: But we've got a better end of the show quote, and this is from Aristotle.
[58:19] Kim Monson: He said, you will never do anything in this world without courage.
[58:23] Kim Monson: It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
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[65:40] Kim Monson: And welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show.
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[66:01] Kim Monson: Happy friday, ken, and yesterday you got it into the schedules on some of the crawford stations.
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[66:17] Kim Monson: And do check out my voter's guide and you can find that at Kim Monson.
[66:24] Kim Monson: And we've gone through all 14 of the ballot questions on the state ballot, as well as some of the other local, county and special district questions.
[66:35] Kim Monson: And it's a beautiful document as well.
[66:40] Kim Monson: Zach put in some historical, some Renaissance paintings.
[66:43] Kim Monson: And it's pretty amazing, Allen Thomas.
[66:46] Allen Thomas: Zach always does such a great job, doesn't he?
[66:48] Allen Thomas: And especially for all the different articles, he always comes up with the great images for everyone.
[66:56] Kim Monson: I wonder what he's going to come up with for your essay this weekend of.
[67:03] Allen Thomas: I'm always excited to see what he comes up with.
[67:05] Kim Monson: And one of the questions, and actually I want to say welcome also to Kurt Gerwitz.
[67:15] Kim Monson: And so we're going to talk about what's going on in our country right now.
[67:19] Kim Monson: But ranked choice voting is on our ballot.
[67:23] Kim Monson: It's Prop 131, and it is a terrible idea.
[67:26] Kim Monson: And talk about can your vote be bought?
[67:30] Kim Monson: I've been watching the money on this, Alan and Kurt, and over$ 10 million is in on that particular proposition to try to talk people into voting for ranked choice voting here in Colorado.
[67:43] Kim Monson: And first of all, if it's such a great idea, you shouldn't have to put so much money behind it.
[67:48] Kim Monson: And what it would mean is that only the wealthy or the people, the candidates that the wealthy choose, would actually ever be on the ballot in Colorado.
[68:01] Allen Thomas: It's also a terrible idea because, you know, as with an engineering background, a lot of times you look to see what's worked or what hasn't worked in the past.
[68:12] Allen Thomas: Almost everywhere that uses ranked choice voting goes back on it relatively quickly because they understand and they see how it disenfranchises voters.
[68:27] Allen Thomas: And so it's a, again, it's one of those, I understand the idea behind it.
[68:30] Allen Thomas: I understand the idea behind wanting something different, but just because it's different doesn't make it better.
[68:38] Kim Monson: Kurt, have you had a chance to really delve into it yet?
[68:41] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Not this particular bill.
[68:43] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'm going to look at it.
[68:44] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'm going to read your voter guide because I want to be a good informed citizen.
[68:48] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But when I first looked at ranked choice voting as a concept, oh, heck yeah, I'm all for that.
[68:55] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It sounds great.
[68:56] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yeah?
[68:56] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yeah.
[68:57] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Because why?
[68:58] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Well, in the theory that I saw, maybe it's one of these in theories, in practice kind of conversations, but the theory I saw was that what we're currently using is called first past the post.
[69:12] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And it forces the two-party system that you've accurately identified as a single-party problem.
[69:22] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: and so when people get to rank their votes and just put a little more nuance into their vote and maybe we can't handle the nuance, maybe that's part of our problem here, but they get to, you know, you put the, this is my first choice, my second choice, my third choice and it just, the outcomes that come from that when you see the, you know, again, in theory, the math on how that would play out, then we're not going to get a candidate that half the country hates.
[69:50] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: we're going to get a candidate that most of us are willing to accept.
[69:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And it just, look, I'm telling you from a theoretical perspective, from when I looked at it a few years ago, it really looked like a really good idea.
[69:59] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But this is why we can't be voting on our instincts.
[70:02] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: We have to get into the weeds.
[70:04] Kim Monson: I think we'll have to talk some more about that, and we will do that.
[70:07] Kim Monson: So as we get into this, that's so interesting.
[70:10] Kim Monson: Our word of the day is Semper Fidelis.
[70:13] Kim Monson: I know I'm not pronouncing that correctly, and to all you Marines out there, I'm so sorry.
[70:18] Allen Thomas: Most Marines just say Semper Fi anyway, right?
[70:20] Kim Monson: I know, and I looked it up, and I listened to it last night, and I tried to write it out.
[70:25] Kim Monson: We'll say Semper Fi, which means always faithful, and so my apologies.
[70:29] Kim Monson: I'm not getting that exactly right, and our quote from the show for today is from John McGinty, the third United States Marine Corps Medal of Honor recipient, and he died in 2014, but this for actions taken in 1966 during the Vietnam War.
[70:48] Kim Monson: He said, the medal I wear was earned by the men of the 1st Platoon of Kilo Company, 4th Marine Regiment.
[70:54] Kim Monson: Against tremendous odds, they upheld the honor of the Marine Corps, and I'm proud to have been their leader.
[70:59] Kim Monson: And we did give the complete citation in hour number one, and that show will rebroadcast today, one to two, if you happen to miss that.
[71:07] Kim Monson: And we have on the line with us Jim May.
[71:13] Kim Monson: and he's with the Lavaca Meat Company.
[71:18] Jim May: It's good to be with you this morning.
[71:25] Kim Monson: And I know you're out on the Eastern Plains, which is where Lavaca Meat Company was first started.
[71:29] Kim Monson: And so first of all, anything we need to know about Lavaca Meat Company?
[71:34] Kim Monson: I need to take a little trip over there.
[71:37] Jim May: Yeah, I guess, um you say it started there when we're a cattle company, mainly that that beats lots and lots of cattle.
[71:45] Jim May: It's a family-owned business, uh my brothers and I, and uh levaka is our little, our little starship, our little showroom there in downtown littleton on uh on maine and nevada, on the corner there um offering just the very best cuts of meat.
[72:02] Jim May: Almost most of it's USDA prime, certainly high choice, age 21 days.
[72:10] Jim May: And it's a premium product that we're coming into the holidays now.
[72:15] Jim May: And, you know, we're thinking about all our friends out there and our gift packages that we put out.
[72:20] Jim May: We really want you to think about you and some of the companies out there, cattle people out there.
[72:26] Jim May: You know, we'd love to send it to some of your employee force or anything like that or anything you do for Christmas.
[72:32] Jim May: But just, I don't know what else I can tell you.
[72:37] Jim May: We're very proud of what we do.
[72:38] Jim May: We think it's the best.
[72:39] Jim May: We think you should take some time in your life.
[72:42] Jim May: Just go out and get the best for a minute.
[72:44] Jim May: Just, you know, go ahead and get that really good bottle of Silver Oak wine and think about a Lavaca steak next to it or something like that.
[72:52] Jim May: And I guess I'm the guy that I'm all about, you know, the elections and all those things are here.
[72:59] Jim May: And I really appreciate you, Kim, what you're doing, not only for LaRocca and me, but for the cattle industry.
[73:08] Jim May: And thinking about, man, we can't have Kamala in there.
[73:11] Jim May: I just watched the Trump interview, by the way, on Fox.
[73:15] Jim May: And some little boy from Massachusetts asked former President Trump, you know, what's his favorite farm animal?
[73:27] Jim May: So I was like, yeah, go, Trump.
[73:30] Jim May: And then, you know, he's saying that, you know, if you get Kamala in here, she hates cows.
[73:37] Jim May: Or is she going to blow her deal out of the water and don't eat meat and all those kinds of things?
[73:42] Jim May: So I think we're gaining some momentum now with Trump.
[73:47] Jim May: I think people are starting to see the real Kamala now after she's done a few of these interviews.
[73:51] Jim May: And you go, wow, doesn't look like much of a choice to me.
[73:55] Jim May: But, again, I'm just a Colorado Cowboy.
[73:57] Jim May: So did you see the Broncos last night, by the way?
[74:02] Jim May: I know you have to get up early like I do.
[74:04] Jim May: But we're starting to get a pretty good football team again.
[74:08] Jim May: Our defense looks tremendous.
[74:09] Jim May: We just manhandled the New Orleans Saints last night on Thursday night football, and it was, you know, our offense is starting to look good.
[74:17] Jim May: Our running backs are looking good.
[74:19] Jim May: And this could be a really fun deal if we get it going here.
[74:23] Jim May: Happy Friday, everyone.
[74:26] Jim May: I don't have much of a poem today.
[74:30] Jim May: I'm working on something for a political-type election poem.
[74:33] Jim May: I don't have it all put together today.
[74:34] Jim May: I wanted to possibly close with our– have you got any other questions for me or anything?
[74:43] Kim Monson: And I used to be a real sports hound, Jim, but it takes time, and I've not had the time to really pay attention that much.
[74:51] Kim Monson: So that's great to hear about the Broncos.
[74:54] Jim May: Let's do our little slogan that I wrote for the Lavaca Meat Company and get people in the spirit.
[74:59] Jim May: At Maine and Nevada, you will find Lavaca Meat.
[75:02] Jim May: So stop by sometime and give yourself a treat.
[75:05] Jim May: It's the spirit of Littleton.
[75:07] Jim May: It's the song on the street.
[75:09] Jim May: As the May family says, it just can't be beat.
[75:11] Jim May: Patty up today and give this a try, the ultimate steak, the tomahawk ribeye.
[75:16] Jim May: Or the burgers the strips just might catch your eye.
[75:20] Jim May: You're going to like what you buy.
[75:21] Jim May: It's family owned, age 21 days, from our ranches and yards, the cattle we raise, the fruit of our labor in so many ways, from our farm to your table.
[75:31] Jim May: cowboy up with the Mays.
[75:35] Kim Monson: So we'll be excited for your political home as you are working on that.
[75:39] Kim Monson: And again, Lavaca Meat Company, they're located at Main and Nevada.
[75:43] Kim Monson: And it really is a lovely gift for Christmas to get a package from Lavaca Meat Company.
[75:47] Kim Monson: So we'll talk to you next week, Jim.
[75:49] Jim May: Okay, everybody have a great weekend.
[75:50] Jim May: We'll see you next time.
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[78:16] Kim Monson: And in studio with me is Professor Kurt Gerwitz, and Allen Thomas are one of our authors as well- staying with us, so thank you very much.
[78:26] Kim Monson: Before we get into it, a couple of things coming in on the text line.
[78:32] Kim Monson: First of all, and thank you from one of our listeners.
[78:34] Kim Monson: She said: Kim, I'm sure you are aware that a lot of Kamala's word salads are right out of Karl Marx's writings and the public is probably not where, as they're probably intended to come out as warm and fuzzy.
[78:45] Kim Monson: So were you aware of that, Kurt Gerwitz?
[78:49] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's terrifying.
[78:50] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Her father was a Marxist economist.
[78:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I didn't realize that.
[78:55] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Well, it's like her biological father, and I think he wasn't part of the family after she was seven years old.
[79:04] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So there's a question about how influential it is.
[79:06] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But, yeah, I mean, it's kind of some kind of dog whistling, they call it, When you say something that people are supposed to, you know, some people are supposed to recognize it, but other people don't recognize it.
[79:19] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's a form of double speak.
[79:21] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I don't think, you know, that would be, you know, giving this politician a lot of credit that she's actually clever enough or smart enough to do that.
[79:30] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I think she's probably just telling the truth, telling her own, you know, personal realities or truth.
[79:34] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And the language comes from, you know, the ideas we get come from the previous generation.
[79:40] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So, yeah, Marxism really is scary when you start putting people into groups and not letting them be individuals.
[79:46] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's it's and then, you know, like we're going to treat them based on their on their external traits or some identity, the group identity that we've we've decided that you're in this group.
[79:56] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And so you're going to get these things or not get these things and good and bad.
[80:00] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's, it's not it's.
[80:02] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I would say.
[80:03] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: The American experiment has proven that it's better to do it a different way and to do it based on the individual.
[80:08] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You think.
[80:11] Allen Thomas: Allen Thomas, I think he nailed it right on the head that you know, wherever free markets are tried, wherever property rights exist, humans flourish, and wherever, uh, capitalism is tried, or, sorry, communism is tried, wherever socialism and the government being in control of the private production of of goods is tried, I mean, you see it time and again with the Soviet Union, with Venezuela.
[80:35] Allen Thomas: I mean, you can point to things decades ago and to just examples in our own backyard within the past couple decades.
[80:46] Allen Thomas: And of course it doesn't work because it doesn't factor in the true human condition, which of course is what our founding documents did.
[80:54] Kim Monson: And this is really what is on the line right now for this election, Kurt, is whether or not we're going to, we're on the cusp, I think, of communism, if we really look at it.
[81:08] Kim Monson: And when we see what's happening in Colorado, so many of the policies and things that are being passed down at the statehouse are really, we are on the cusp of communism here.
[81:24] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I certainly hope not nationally.
[81:26] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, when I look at the, you know, I want to live in a world where the presidents don't have that much power over the economy.
[81:36] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I mean, they represent a mandate of the people and what the people want.
[81:40] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I don't know.
[81:42] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Half the time I think the people might not be the smartest group of individuals.
[81:48] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That's why we have the Constitution then, too.
[81:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Right.
[81:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I think about the average American and how you might think that they're– or the average driver, how bad they are, how dumb they are, and then realize that half of the people by the numbers are dumber than that.
[82:03] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So I just don't– I think we put– we've always had limits and boundaries on our politicians, and that's the beauty of the way we've organized ourselves here.
[82:15] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I do think there's a place for innovation and we should be trying different things.
[82:19] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And that's why we have different states.
[82:20] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And that's nice.
[82:21] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So we can see that, you know, different economies are thriving in different states across the country.
[82:27] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'll let you, you know, make your assessment there.
[82:30] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But I heard Donald Trump say, but, you know, we can't make if we made the rest if we made the whole country like California, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
[82:36] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You think?
[82:37] Kim Monson: So there's lots of things I want to talk about.
[82:42] Kim Monson: But before we get into all of that, you did want to mention what you're doing.
[82:46] Kim Monson: And I think that it's important that we don't run out of time without you mentioning what you're doing.
[82:53] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'm walking into the lion's den here.
[82:55] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I think you're going to, and your audience is going to hate the idea of what I'm going to– parts of the ideas of what I'm about to say.
[83:05] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: However, let's frame it a little bit better then.
[83:08] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'm gonna.
[83:10] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Let's frame it as I'm looking at government and looking for where are the good investments.
[83:14] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So I have a side hustle.
[83:16] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I have a it's I call it Vaughn it's I call it Vaughn
[83:20] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: volunteering and it's with the SBDC.
[83:23] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's the Small Business Development Center.
[83:25] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Now this is, it's partially government funded.
[83:29] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's 50%of the budget for any of the centers that are small business centers.
[83:34] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: There's 900 in the United States.
[83:36] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: There's 16 in Colorado and I'm at one of them.
[83:41] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I actually go and receive services myself as well as contributing as a consultant there.
[83:47] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And we just, we're doing tremendous good work, helping americans get the education, entrepreneurial education and the studies that are out there, the ones that do exist.
[83:59] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Um, you know, I thank goodness for the the government accountability office and and people like you who really pay attention to where the dollars are going and whether what things are, what government's doing and what could be a good investment.
[84:11] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I'm telling you I have these clients come in and they say I want to start of business.
[84:14] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: What do I need to know?
[84:15] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I hate that I have to help them navigate some of the bureaucracy.
[84:19] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I hate to tell them that they need a lawyer and they need a finance person, because really what we're trying to do is just, you know, create a competitive space to solve people's problems.
[84:29] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, we want to take their hypothesis that their supply can meet the demands of the marketplace to solve those problems and help people in that way.
[84:40] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But it's such a good thing that that we're there and we're doing that.
[84:44] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: We're teaching them about marketing.
[84:45] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I don't do that so much I that we're teaching them about business strategy.
[84:48] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I do a little bit of that, but I do the finances.
[84:50] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I love to model people out and and their finances out and say like: ask them tough, my, my milestone questions are not just what do you measure?
[84:58] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That's one of my favorite questions to ask an entrepreneur.
[84:59] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But when are you going to quit your day job?
[85:01] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: When are you going to hire your first employee?
[85:03] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: When will you have the money to do these things?
[85:06] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And let's pick a month in the future.
[85:08] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: This is finance, not accounting.
[85:09] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, taking your numbers forward.
[85:11] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And then that's a form of, like, manifesting.
[85:13] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That's a form of creation, of using your words and your ideas and your vision to create an entrepreneurial future for these people off the street.
[85:22] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And it's wonderful.
[85:23] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Well, good for you.
[85:26] Kim Monson: And government programs, as you know, I struggle with all these different government programs.
[85:34] Kim Monson: But supporting the entrepreneurial spirit of America is is certainly a good thing.
[85:43] Kim Monson: So let's move over to next subject, and that is ranked choice voting that we left out there.
[85:48] Kim Monson: And first of all, there's over 10 million dollars that is being put into trying to convince the people of Colorado to vote for ranked choice voting and this particular ballot initiative that is on, or this ballot question is it really is two subjects, which is unconstitutional, but that's not the first time that things have happened on our ballot there are unconstitutional.
[86:15] Kim Monson: One is called a jungle primary, where you can have multiple, multiple candidates and people can only vote for one candidate in that jungle primary.
[86:26] Kim Monson: So I think that is antithetical to the information that is being spewed out there that, oh, you are going to be able to rank these candidates and you will be able to get a candidate that many people will agree on.
[86:45] Kim Monson: It's coming out of these jungle primaries, where the one candidate that you voted for might not even be on the ballot.
[86:53] Kim Monson: And so I think that it skews the ballot right up front on that, Kurt?
[86:57] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, I was looking at this website, RCV, the Ranked Choice Voting Colorado.
[87:04] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: They're neutral on this Prop 131.
[87:07] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yeah, so it could mean that they don't think it goes far enough.
[87:12] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But I'm going to go back to my ideology that, you know, if the three of us in this room right now, we're trying to decide what's a good time or place to eat.
[87:24] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, a simple vote is more problematic than if we put, if we said, well, what's your second choice?
[87:31] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So there's an argument for the ideology, perhaps an implementation.
[87:43] Allen Thomas: And one of the problems with ranked choice voting is you're incentivizing a multitude of candidates.
[87:50] Allen Thomas: we've already shown that we as Americans are not civically educated.
[87:54] Allen Thomas: So not only are we going to increase the amount of education every individual needs in order to make ranked choice voting an effective choice, but you're also running the risk of having more candidates than you could build a coalition for.
[88:11] Allen Thomas: So, for instance, if you have nine candidates and you only get your top three choices, There's a very real reality where only 33% ofthe population could have agreed to the candidate that wins.
[88:24] Allen Thomas: And so to say that a majority of the population agrees with the candidate is, at times it might be true, but at times it might not be.
[88:33] Allen Thomas: But, you know, when we look at this incentive, what First to the Post actually incentivizes, and this is what we've kind of lost the debate around, is it actually incentivizes coalition building.
[89:03] Allen Thomas: Because if you only have two candidates, you then have to go out into your community and you have to try and build a coalition, with your platform and with your ideas, that brings together over half the population, whether that's business owners or students, or teachers, or renters versus homeowners.
[89:04] Allen Thomas: You have to come up with policy ideas and you have to be accountable to a coalition of at least 50% plus one,right?
[89:14] Allen Thomas: Whereas ranked choice voting does not incentivize that coalition building.
[89:19] Allen Thomas: It incentivizes, hey, I'm going to be the best candidate and you should include me on your rank.
[89:27] Allen Thomas: So that would be my counter to ranked choice voting is it doesn't necessarily, sure, with three people trying to figure out between our top three restaurants where to go, sure, rank choice voting might be a very good idea, but when you have nine different candidates trying to figure out nine different ideas for a community that has thousands upon thousands of interests, it doesn't incentivize building that coalition amongst the population.
[89:55] Kim Monson: So one of the things in our elections, though, it is the top vote getter.
[90:03] Kim Monson: So for example, if you have some other candidates and the candidate gets 49%, they may still be the winner.
[90:13] Kim Monson: With ranked choice voting, it says that after all of these different rounds of computers figuring out the rankings and redistributing the different votes, you get to a point where that candidate has 50% plus one, butit's after all these rounds.
[90:26] Kim Monson: So you have a candidate that might have received 49% of the vote, andthen a candidate over here that might have received 30% of the vote or less,and they end up being the winner.
[90:38] Kim Monson: And I think there's a real problem with that.
[90:41] Kim Monson: And the fact that there's so much money coming in, Kurt, over$ 10 million to try to get people to vote for this, these people don't care about everyday people.
[90:51] Kim Monson: It's going to get us to a point where only the wealthy, or the candidates that the wealthy choose, will be on the ballot.
[90:57] Kim Monson: And I see a real problem with that.
[90:59] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I mean, uh, Alan is speaking my language when you talk about incentives and, uh, he starts his article with, uh, you wake up with a hundred dollar bills on your doorstep.
[91:08] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: If, if, if your first thought is not what's wrong here, then you haven't, you haven't, you're inexperienced, then you're naive in the world.
[91:16] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Sure.
[91:17] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: You know, wherever there's smoke, there's fire.
[91:18] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So yeah.
[91:19] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Seeing people dump money into it.
[91:20] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Um, boy, I, we've got, we've got an issue at my HOA right now.
[91:26] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Follow the money to see what the truth is.
[91:32] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yes.
[91:33] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Do you want to expound on that at all?
[91:38] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Maybe I'll let it play out a little bit.
[91:40] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But following the money is often the path to find people's incentives and people's truths.
[91:46] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yeah, I would say that in terms of building the coalition, I like the way you're thinking.
[91:53] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That sounds a little Pollyannish, idealistic to me, because I think- let me phrase it this way- that ranked choice voting.
[92:01] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: The way I see it again, I'm looking at it- it's going to wipe out our- I just saw this.
[92:06] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's going to wipe out our Republican primary and the Democrat primary, and they're just going to put them together.
[92:11] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: So that's going to have some consequences that I have not thought through.
[92:14] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But ranked choice voting, it's a mathematical way to build consensus and like if, um well, I'm losing my train of thought here.
[92:25] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Help me out.
[92:25] Allen Thomas: Well, it's, and absolutely, and that's the intent.
[92:28] Allen Thomas: But again you run into the the issue of intent versus what actually happens, and again I point back to: there are very many places where it's been implemented, especially on a larger scale.
[92:41] Allen Thomas: Like you know, it's one thing to do it amongst the classroom or amongst a group of friends, right.
[92:46] Allen Thomas: But when you're talking about a population of thousands of people, whenever they implement ranked choice voting, even in highly Democrat areas and highly leftist areas, where really they're only getting candidates that represent Democrats, they go back and they say we don't like this.
[93:05] Allen Thomas: And they rebel against it and they make sure they unpass it, right?
[93:09] Allen Thomas: So that's my problem with it is, okay, the intent may be great, but when the implementation gets put into effect and again, population centers are saying, wait a minute, we as a city made a terrible choice.
[93:24] Allen Thomas: We need to get rid of ranked choice voting.
[93:26] Allen Thomas: Or we as a state need to get rid of ranked choice voting.
[93:29] Allen Thomas: That's when I start to say, you know, hey, again, where there's smoke, there's probably fire.
[93:33] Allen Thomas: And even though it has great intent, obviously something is wrong with it, especially with how Americans think.
[93:40] Allen Thomas: And it dilutes our vote is another thing that happens with that.
[93:47] Kim Monson: And then what happens when people feel that their vote doesn't matter is they quit voting.
[93:50] Kim Monson: And so that's a big concern on that as well.
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[96:19] Kim Monson: Kurt Gerwitz is in studio as well as Allen Thomas.
[96:23] Kim Monson: This ranked choice voting, Kurt, you mentioned follow the money.
[96:26] Kim Monson: And the money on this is over$ 10 million when I checked last night.
[96:34] Kim Monson: So that means that ifwe're going to defeat this, this is going to have to be really an organic grassroots movement to do that.
[96:43] Kim Monson: Because people are being told that this is going to modernize our elections.
[96:48] Kim Monson: Are you tired of the parties fighting with each other?
[96:51] Kim Monson: All of those things, which is true.
[96:53] Kim Monson: People are tired, I think, of people fighting with each other.
[96:59] Kim Monson: What we're fighting about is these big ideas and so again ranked choice voting.
[97:04] Kim Monson: So nextthing, we talked about incentives and government incentives.
[97:09] Kim Monson: Ultimately, I think, gets down to cronyism.
[97:14] Kim Monson: And alan, this just came across the wire and this is says on january 27, 2021.
[97:20] Kim Monson: Then governor larry hogan, republican of maryland, announced some good news for affordable housing in Maryland.
[97:27] Kim Monson: Nearly$ 40 million in competitive awards to spur construction of 18 low- income housing projects.
[97:33] Kim Monson: Again, remember, governmenthousing doesn't work out very well.
[97:38] Kim Monson: But anyway, during our administration, he said the state of Maryland's provided financing and tax credits to create or preserve more than 20, 000 affordable rental units across thestate.
[97:46] Kim Monson: Again, not home ownership and unprecedented level of production.
[97:50] Kim Monson: But he did forgot to mention that one of the projects was being developed on his own family's property, Alan.
[97:56] Allen Thomas: It's just because you have a political affiliation that maybe I agree with, doesn't mean you're immune to power grabs and from acting like politicians have acted for a millennia.
[98:11] Kim Monson: And Kurt, Denver Mayor Mike Johnson has proposed a 0.
[98:18] Kim Monson: 5% sales tax increase, and we'llusethat money for quote- unquote affordable housing.
[98:24] Kim Monson: And what I seeis it becomes cronyism, becomes government housing.
[98:28] Kim Monson: And when you charge people more in sales tax, it makes their life less affordable.
[98:34] Kim Monson: So going to make life less affordable for everyone, build these affordable units, and again, cronyism, who gets those contracts, subsidizes the rent, takes away, And I think inherently people, then they don't work as hard to try to achieve the things that they want.
[98:53] Kim Monson: It's bad all across the board, Kurt Gerwitz.
[98:55] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And I think there is a real problem with, I'm going to call it apathy, but you mentioned it like, oh, if voting is confusing, less people will do it.
[99:07] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And FUD, right, like fear, uncertainty, and doubt is a tried and true technology to keep people– people will freeze up and they just won't– if you want somebody to not take action, feed them some confusion.
[99:22] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And it's easy to do because things are complicated.
[99:25] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But yeah, I think a sales tax that– where else is there money?
[99:33] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I promise I could get into government tomorrow and I could find some waste in excess of what he thinks is going to– that sales tax is going to increase the revenue by.
[99:43] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: We could find that in poor spending somewhere.
[99:45] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But nobody– but that's not as– it's not as attractive.
[99:49] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's not as sexy as saying, oh, new tax, new initiative.
[99:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: People are like, oh, it's new.
[99:53] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: We love novelty.
[99:54] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: People want a– initiative.
[99:56] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: People are like, oh, it's new.
[99:57] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: We love novelty.
[99:58] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: People want a –
[100:00] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: balance of novelty and familiarity in their lives.
[100:03] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It's one of the primary human pieces of our conditioning.
[100:07] Kim Monson: But I think, you know, you start taxing people to heck and you get people thinking that the government is the charitable organization or it's the solution to the problems that, you know, my thesis, I say this all the time, that the government is out there just solving problems that they created no joke and that's why alan it is so important that we really get to the principles and we are we we've spent ourselves close to oblivion right now and it's put us in a very dangerous position as a country and it's going to be difficult to get back out of this but it's going to happen we either are going to choose to fix it or it's it's going to be foisted upon us Well, and it goes back to what we were talking about in the first hour, that you're buying a premise that we don't agree with, right?
[101:00] Allen Thomas: That just because there is a problem, it's the government's duty to fix it.
[101:05] Allen Thomas: And that's a premise that we wholly reject, but that's why it sounds so good, is because it sounds like, oh, we have poor among us, so government should do something to fix it.
[101:14] Allen Thomas: and that rejects everything about what our country is founded on, that this idea that we should take personal agency in our own neighbors, in our own neighborhood, and that forced charity is not charity at all.
[101:29] Allen Thomas: And in fact, the reason why charity has been encouraged throughout all generations amongst many different cultures is because there's this very real idea that when you give, it does something not only for the person you give to, but it does something for you as well.
[101:45] Allen Thomas: And you get to take responsibility in that action.
[101:51] Allen Thomas: And that actually by giving your own fortune, your own time, your own efforts, you're actually making a difference.
[101:57] Allen Thomas: But when the government does it, I don't feel personally tied to anything that a government official has done over in Puerto Rico or down in Florida.
[102:08] Allen Thomas: But if I volunteer my time and I go and I cook food for those down who are devastated by Helene, well, that's actually like personally changing me right, and that's actually what our.
[102:20] Allen Thomas: What we should be called to do is that we should actually be taking our own time and treasure and donating where we see the need, because everybody sees need differently.
[102:28] Allen Thomas: You know what you think somebody else might need may never register with me because of my background and my experiences, so we each need to see the need and give to it as we can.
[102:41] Kim Monson: And with that, I've really thought a lot about this.
[102:46] Kim Monson: As far as, and I had a quote the other day, I think it was from Benjamin Franklin, that we shouldn't be doing for people what they can do themselves.
[102:55] Kim Monson: Because if we do for people what they can do for themselves, then what happens then is eventually they become poor, they're not as motivated to improve their lives.
[103:08] Kim Monson: And I've always given a lot, I've done a lot of volunteer work.
[103:13] Kim Monson: And I've gotten to the point though, that if there is the opportunity to trade value for value, that we need to make sure that we have that happen.
[103:23] Kim Monson: So I've seen trucks going up and down the road regarding food banks and to stop hunger.
[103:31] Kim Monson: And I thought isn't that interesting.
[103:33] Kim Monson: We now have semi trucks that are driving around regarding a charity, if you will, to prevent hunger, and then I know a lot of people that have have donated time to food banks, and all that seems really great.
[103:49] Kim Monson: And you're mentioning about helping people like helene right now.
[103:54] Kim Monson: People need help, but we can't be doing that, doing that for 40 years for those people.
[104:01] Kim Monson: We want to get them to the point where they can once again become self-sufficient.
[104:06] Kim Monson: And I've thought about these different food banks that people go in and they get food for free and then they leave.
[104:14] Kim Monson: It seems like from a pride standpoint, you would want to trade some value for value.
[104:18] Kim Monson: So could I help stock the shelves?
[104:22] Kim Monson: I think we need to get back to something like that, Alan.
[104:26] Allen Thomas: Well, and again, that gets back to the virtue we were also speaking about, that self-reliance and that desire to be self-reliant and not dependent on anything.
[104:35] Allen Thomas: And, you know, of course, everybody gets down on their luck.
[104:37] Allen Thomas: It's not something that we take lightly, but, you know, that's one of the great things about a lot of the churches I've been involved in is having that pantry, that ability to feed our neighbors amongst us.
[104:49] Allen Thomas: But I was trying to find this quote because I remembered it and I didn't want to mess it up, but Antonin Scalia actually said, I think summarizes this perfectly.
[104:59] Allen Thomas: And he said, the transformation of charity into legal entitlement has produced donors without love and recipients without gratitude.
[105:08] Allen Thomas: And that goes back to this personal agency, this ability to be self-reliant, this virtue of putting something out into the world, of creating value for others, even when you are down on your luck.
[105:21] Allen Thomas: And in that mindset is what can really help bring you out of poverty in the first place.
[105:27] Allen Thomas: Because when you, when you try and find ways that your life is downbeaten and that you just can never get a leg up, well, you know, it, it manifests itself quite true in your life.
[105:40] Kim Monson: Kurt, let's, we're going to go to break here in just a minute.
[105:42] Kim Monson: Do you want to comment on anything?
[105:44] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Well, I've said it on the air here before that the five stages of giving.
[105:48] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: The first stage is you create gratitude.
[105:51] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And then the second stage is that you create expectation.
[105:54] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: I'll skip the next two and we'll jump to the end.
[105:56] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And by the fifth time you've given somebody something, you've created dependency.
[106:00] Kim Monson: And being dependent on the government, because the problem is, is government cannot give to someone that they've not first taken from someone else.
[106:10] Kim Monson: And then at some point in time, yeah, by force.
[106:14] Kim Monson: And then, at some point in time, resources will run out and not everybody's going to get everything that they've been promised.
[106:20] Kim Monson: And these are important discussions.
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[109:17] Kim Monson: Professor Gerwitz is in the studio and author Allen Thomas.
[109:23] Kim Monson: So I'm going to get to some of these.
[109:25] Kim Monson: First one, ask Alan to expound on the engineering approach.
[109:30] Kim Monson: I believe we need engineers in charge of government, not lawyers.
[109:33] Allen Thomas: Well, you know, and I'm flattered by that.
[109:36] Allen Thomas: But, you know, a lot of different professions do it.
[109:41] Allen Thomas: They're really good at problem solving and saying, hey, this worked, this didn't work.
[109:45] Allen Thomas: But that's the philosophy many legislators don't have right now, right?
[109:50] Allen Thomas: We talk about it a lot where a bill passes.
[109:55] Allen Thomas: So they come back and they say, well, we need more money for it because obviously it didn't work because we didn't have enough money or time.
[110:00] Allen Thomas: As opposed to saying, okay, guys, I got it wrong.
[110:06] Allen Thomas: and maybe we'll come up with a different solution.
[110:09] Allen Thomas: But really it comes down to we need to allow our legislators the rope in order to fail and admit they failed and say, hey, thank you for admitting you were wrong and fixing your mistake.
[110:23] Allen Thomas: And right now too often we as voters will say, hey, what you did didn't work.
[110:35] Allen Thomas: as opposed and then that no longer incentivizes the legislators to fix the problems that they create.
[110:46] Kim Monson: And normally, Kurt, I will mention names, I try to stay out of all of the infighting that is occurring.
[110:54] Kim Monson: But when it gets to the issues, I will mention names.
[110:58] Kim Monson: And I've got to mention the names here on Prop 131.
[110:59] Kim Monson: Eric, one of our listeners said it's important to realize this, that former state GOP chair Dick Wadhams is on record as being in favor of Proposition 131, which is ranked choice voting.
[111:17] Kim Monson: And then Josh Penry and his company are actually running the campaign.
[111:23] Kim Monson: And so you look at the dollars, over 10 million dollars.
[111:26] Kim Monson: And I think it's important that we realize that here in Colorado what has happened is we've had Republicans and Democrats that have worked together to get us into the position that we're in.
[111:37] Kim Monson: And we're in a terrible position here in Colorado right now, Kirk Hurwitz.
[111:41] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: How does a guy like with a name of Dick Wadhams get elected?
[111:45] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That's the real issue here.
[111:47] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It gives us all hope, right?
[111:50] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Like any one of us could make it happen.
[111:51] Kim Monson: I hadn't really thought about it like that.
[111:53] Kim Monson: But I do find it very frustrating when there are those that you would think would understand the importance of standing for our Constitution and our freedom, which between the two parties, the Republican Party espouses that.
[112:07] Kim Monson: But we have bad actors in both parties.
[112:11] Kim Monson: Ginny had texted me and said, and she's absolutely right, let me get to this.
[112:16] Kim Monson: She said, the only ones on ranked choice voting who will be vetting the candidates will be the billionaire oligarchs.
[112:21] Kim Monson: Talk about dark money on steroids.
[112:25] Kim Monson: Let's say you have nine or 10 different candidates on the ballot.
[112:30] Kim Monson: For everyday people to try to vet them is going to be very difficult.
[112:34] Kim Monson: And then you've got the situation with like a Kamala Harris, that they're not telling you who they really are.
[112:40] Kim Monson: They're trying to give the impression of who they think that you want them to be.
[112:49] Allen Thomas: Well, and again you run into this issue of if you have 12 candidates.
[112:54] Allen Thomas: How well can you really get to know all 12 candidates?
[112:56] Allen Thomas: And you know when you look at this rank choice voting has been tried at a school board race in california, it's been tried in alaska as a state and they run into so many issues where I believe in the school board race.
[113:12] Allen Thomas: They found out there was a technical glitch on how the votes were counted up and they officially announced the winner incorrectly and they didn't find the issue until the second place winner technically was sworn into office.
[113:29] Allen Thomas: It took four months to get that person out of office and the correct person to be put in.
[113:34] Allen Thomas: So again, there's this disenfranchisement by what they call it spoiling the votes.
[113:39] Allen Thomas: So if after several rounds, you no longer have a candidate that you ranked in your top three, your vote is effectively thrown out because you no longer have that candidate ranked within.
[113:56] Allen Thomas: And again, it comes back to wherever it's tried.
[113:58] Allen Thomas: Even Aspen, Aspen, Colorado tried it and they said, oh, we messed up.
[114:09] Kim Monson: I've been watching the money on this whole thing.
[114:10] Kim Monson: I have to tell you, I'm super disappointed.
[114:12] Kim Monson: I'm looking at, you're not going to believe this on this ranked choice voting.
[114:18] Kim Monson: Senator John Hickenlooper, Governor Jared Polis, State Representative Republican Matt Soper, Aurora Mayor Mike Kaufman, that's new, Colorado Springs Mayor Yemi Mobileade, Fort Collins Mayor Ginny Arndt, and Denver Mayor Mike Johnston.
[114:39] Kim Monson: Former state representative and Senator Greg Brophy, Republican.
[114:43] Kim Monson: Representative Ken Buck is on here supporting it now.
[114:46] Kim Monson: Former House Speaker Democrat Terrence Carroll.
[114:49] Kim Monson: Former state Senator Don Corum, Republican.
[114:52] Kim Monson: And former state representative Cole Wist, Republican.
[114:55] Kim Monson: And then Dick Wadhams is actually has written arguments in favor of this.
[115:02] Kim Monson: This is pretty shocking, Kurt Gerwitz.
[115:06] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Yeah, I'm seeing that the biggest individual backer is Kent Theory, the past CEO of DaVita, one of our publicly traded companies here in Colorado, headquartered here in Colorado, which makes it a special thing and subject to my students' analysis.
[115:20] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: But I tell you, when you talk about the consensus or the, what was the word, a coalition building, I feel like ranked choice voting really could push that collaborative thinking, which is a good thing, we'll say.
[115:34] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: It pushes it down to the individual candidate.
[115:38] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Instead of an extremist on either side trying to have to build coalitions, which is a good thing, and I agree with that, we're just going to elect– what we think is going to happen is we're going to get more moderate candidates.
[115:54] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: And that's one of the results of the political, you know, survey.
[115:57] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: That's what they say is going to happen.
[115:58] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Studies have to happen.
[116:00] Kim Monson: Yeah, that's what they say is going to happen.
[116:01] Kim Monson: But really, what's going to happen is the wealthy or the people that the wealthy choose will be the ones that will be in office.
[116:11] Allen Thomas: Well, I mean, the other issue, the reason why this coalition to repeal ranked choice voting in Alaska has happened is the disenfranchisement of the voters.
[116:22] Allen Thomas: And again, there's the theory of what ranked choice voting should do and what it actually does.
[116:29] Allen Thomas: And again, it gets very, it is very in the weeds on how do you drop off votes?
[116:51] Allen Thomas: And that's not necessarily a reason to preclude it from being a choice just because it's so tricky.
[116:58] Allen Thomas: But when you do look at transparency, that is a bedrock of elections is that they are transparent and that your vote does matter.
[117:06] Allen Thomas: And when you talk about spoiling votes and you talk about your vote didn't actually matter in this race, it leads to massive disenfranchisement, which is why a lot of times it gets repealed.
[117:19] Kim Monson: And that's a really important point.
[117:22] Kim Monson: I wanted to mention this- Peter Brunegger was on yesterday- who is our step two in the Colorado 2024 election project, and there are reports that people are receiving ballots to their home where people don't live there, and so if you can send pictures of that to stop bogus ballots.
[117:43] Kim Monson: Or if you want to send them to me, I'll get them over to Peter Brunegger at Wisconsin Center for Election Justice.
[117:48] Kim Monson: Kurt Gerwitz it's always a pleasure to have you in studio.
[117:52] Producer Joe / Kurt Gerwitz: Thanks for having me.
[117:53] Kim Monson: And Allen Thomas, we will be rolling out your essay, Can Your Vote Be Bought?
[117:58] Kim Monson: And this rank choice voting is a strong no, and you can find that at my website on my voter's guide.
[118:05] Kim Monson: And Alan, it's always great to have you in studio as well.
[118:09] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from Aristotle, and I choose these quotes on Fridays because of courage.
[118:18] Kim Monson: We need courage at this particular point time.
[118:21] Kim Monson: And Aristotle said this, he said, you will never do anything in this world without courage.
[118:26] Kim Monson: It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
[118:30] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, if honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like Superman stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[118:42] Kim Monson: God bless you and God bless America.
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