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[00:57] Kim Monson: I know this is the day before your very favorite day, which is Friday.
[01:04] Producer Steve: Yeah, again, I've been chastised in the past for being negative about what happens 72 hours later.
[01:11] Producer Steve: But we're not going to go there, and we're going to enjoy Friday when it gets here.
[01:18] Kim Monson: And I am thrilled to have in studio with me a couple of my very valued partners, Karen Levine, award-winning realtor with Remax Alliance.
[01:29] Kim Monson: And Lorne Levy with Polygon, your mortgage specialist.
[01:34] Kim Monson: And we're going to talk about reverse mortgages, which is a really interesting tool for people's financial well-being.
[01:41] Kim Monson: But they need to know, they need to work with a specialist like you.
[01:44] Lorne Levy: And I look forward to talking about it.
[01:48] Kim Monson: So we're going to talk about that in the second segment.
[01:50] Kim Monson: And then Randall O'Toole will join us as well.
[01:52] Kim Monson: He's a housing and transportation expert in segments three and four.
[01:56] Kim Monson: And so it's going to be a great show.
[01:58] Kim Monson: So it's just always great to have you here.
[02:03] Kim Monson: We always talk about these issues as freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[02:08] Kim Monson: There's this romance with socialism and socialism ultimately comes down to force.
[02:13] Kim Monson: And it is never compassionate to take other people's stuff, their rights, their property or their freedom via force, whether with a weapon policy or unpredictable and excessive taxation.
[02:22] Kim Monson: And so we look at each of these issues.
[02:29] Kim Monson: But there's force in housing and in transportation.
[02:32] Kim Monson: And that's why we're working to shed the light on this, because it's been occurring for quite some time.
[02:38] Kim Monson: But it's important that we start to understand what's been happening.
[02:41] Kim Monson: So on that, since we're going to be talking with Randall, Randall does, he likes trains.
[02:48] Kim Monson: However, I don't think he likes forced trains.
[02:50] Kim Monson: but I thought, who am I going to talk about regarding our quotes for the day?
[02:59] Kim Monson: He was the founder of the Great Northern Railway, which was one of the railroads that did not take any government subsidies, and he was very, very successful.
[03:14] Kim Monson: And he says, the wealth of the country, its capital, its credit, must be saved from the predatory poor as well as the predatory rich, but above all from the predatory politician.
[03:27] Karen Levine: What I found interesting is at what point in time he said that.
[03:36] Kim Monson: So human nature doesn't change very much.
[03:39] Karen Levine: Especially after being in San Francisco the last week.
[03:49] Karen Levine: But I did, I think the predatory poor, you can see how they utilize the system as well as the predatory rich.
[03:57] Karen Levine: And so I thought, oh, that guy must have just said that the other, you know, like last week.
[04:04] Kim Monson: Yeah, it was about 100 years ago when you said that.
[04:06] Kim Monson: Okay, are you ready for the funnies?
[04:13] Producer Steve: The operative word is always funnies, but go ahead.
[04:15] Producer Steve: Actually, here lately, I got to confess, you have been doing, you're really bringing some good things to the table.
[04:23] Producer Steve: Actual humor and applicable to, you know, the storylines and the topics.
[04:30] Producer Steve: So, yes, go ahead.
[04:32] Kim Monson: You know, I think that was kind of a compliment.
[04:35] Kim Monson: So when I was expecting my second child, I got into the elevator.
[04:43] Kim Monson: and this person tried to give me a compliment.
[04:46] Kim Monson: They said to me, you stayed looking good for so long.
[04:49] Kim Monson: That's exactly what this was, is what you just did.
[04:52] Producer Steve: Ouch, I'm sorry.
[04:57] Kim Monson: A man and his wife check into a hotel.
[05:00] Kim Monson: The husband wants to have a drink at the bar, but his wife is extremely tired, so she decides to go on up to their room to rest.
[05:08] Kim Monson: Just then, an elevated train passes by very close to the window and shakes the room so hard she's thrown out of bed.
[05:15] Kim Monson: Thinking this must be a freak occurrence, she lies down once more.
[05:18] Kim Monson: Again, a train goes by, shakes the room so violently she's pitched to the floor.
[05:23] Kim Monson: Exasperated, she calls the front desk.
[05:27] Kim Monson: The manager says he'll be right up.
[05:30] Kim Monson: The manager is skeptical, but the wife insists the story is true.
[05:34] Kim Monson: You'll be thrown right to the floor.
[05:36] Kim Monson: So he lies down next to the wife, and just then the husband walks in.
[05:42] Kim Monson: And the manager calmly replies, would you believe I'm waiting for a train?
[05:52] Kim Monson: And I want to say thank you to the team, even though that was, I think, a backhanded compliment you gave me, Steve.
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[06:14] Kim Monson: So let's go to the very first headline that I wanted to mention.
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[06:21] Kim Monson: And that is, I had it here, hold on.
[06:25] Kim Monson: The feds are urging bike helmets for all flouting safety advocates.
[06:31] Kim Monson: So we're talking about forcing everybody to wear a bicycle helmet.
[06:39] Kim Monson: I haven't ridden my bike in quite some time, but I try to be a very careful rider.
[06:43] Kim Monson: But I get so frustrated with this, all this force thing that I actually am like a Harley bike rider.
[06:50] Kim Monson: I don't wear my helmet and I don't need the feds telling me whether or not I need to wear a helmet.
[06:58] Producer Steve: I shouldn't go here because I'm obviously dating myself.
[07:01] Producer Steve: I remember the first model year in cars where seatbelts were standard equipment.
[07:06] Producer Steve: And all the fun and games that have been happening over those decades since regarding this particular topic of forcing people to wear seatbelts.
[07:15] Producer Steve: And now we're talking about bicycles and helmets.
[07:20] Producer Steve: Where does the freedom of choice that the individual takes on that responsibility?
[07:26] Producer Steve: And that's it.
[07:27] Producer Steve: We don't need this type of regulation, this heavy-handed regulation.
[07:36] Kim Monson: Federal investigators are recommending helmet requirements for all American cyclists, flouting advice and research from city planners.
[07:44] Kim Monson: In light of rising cycling fatalities across the country, the National Transportation Review Board on Tuesday approved a package of new recommendations.
[07:54] Kim Monson: So this is coming through bureaucrats, including one for all states and Puerto Rico, to require cyclists to wear age-appropriate helmets.
[08:03] Kim Monson: The concept has been strongly advised against in New York City, where planners have argued for years that cycling becomes safer as more people ride bikes, a concept popularized over years of research across the world.
[08:14] Kim Monson: The NTSB, the independent agency charged with investigating transportation crashes, backed the concept under the reasoning that head injuries are the leading cause of cycling-related fatalities across the country.
[08:25] Kim Monson: But planners, including City Transportation Commissioner Polly Trottenberg, have warned that helmet requirements could suppress cycling, making riding more dangerous.
[08:34] Kim Monson: The safety in numbers phenomenon, first popularized by researcher Peter Jacobson, documents that drivers are less likely to crash into pedestrians or cyclists if there are more people walking or riding.
[08:47] Kim Monson: I find this absolutely fascinating.
[08:49] Kim Monson: I'd seen this back when I was on city council.
[08:53] Kim Monson: There were people, I was up at the Colorado Municipal League big meeting.
[08:56] Kim Monson: They have one once a year and somebody gets up.
[09:01] Kim Monson: and she's a city council person saying, we've got to get rid of plastic bags.
[09:06] Kim Monson: We've got to get rid of plastic straws.
[09:08] Kim Monson: Then somebody said, we've got to make sure everybody wears bike helmets.
[09:11] Kim Monson: I'm thinking, where's the freedom in this?
[09:15] Kim Monson: So once again, we've got bureaucrats that are on their way to try to make people's lives more complicated.
[09:22] Kim Monson: How about you just be a little more careful when you ride your bike?
[09:25] Karen Levine: Well, and I think you need to decide, Are you going to follow the rules of the road?
[09:30] Karen Levine: Bicyclists are supposed to be cars, but when it's convenient for them, they like to be pedestrians.
[09:36] Karen Levine: And then they wonder why they get hit by cars.
[09:39] Kim Monson: That's a very, very important point, Karen Levine, on that.
[09:44] Kim Monson: So, you know what, let's go to break because we've got a lot that we want to get into this show and really want to talk about the latest housing numbers.
[09:52] Kim Monson: and Lauren and Karen, their strategies that you can use in the real estate market with reverse mortgages.
[09:59] Kim Monson: And when we come back, we'll continue on with Karen Levine, Remax Alliance, and Lorne Levy with Polygon Mortgage Specialist.
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[10:47] SPEAKER_06: With over 17 years in the mortgage industry, Lorne Levy, Polygon Financial Group, has the experience to answer your questions.
[10:55] SPEAKER_06: Lorne knows that each financial transaction is personal.
[10:58] SPEAKER_06: If you'd like to explore your options on a reverse mortgage or with rates down, explore options to remodel your home, buy a rental property, or move, call Lorne Levy at 303-880-8881.
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[11:34] Kim Monson: Hey, welcome back to The Kim Monson Show.
[11:38] Kim Monson: And we're having a great conversation today.
[11:40] Kim Monson: In studio is two of my favorite people, Karen Levine and Lorne Levy.
[11:45] Kim Monson: Karen Levine, you are an award-winning realtor with Remax Alliance.
[11:52] Kim Monson: And Lauren, you are a lending specialist with Polygon Financial, and you can really help people navigate through whether or not they're buying a new home, get their mortgage there.
[12:01] Kim Monson: But we're going to talk about reverse mortgages and kind of unpack that a little bit.
[12:06] Kim Monson: But before we do that, you have the most recent housing numbers, right, Karen?
[12:10] Karen Levine: They came out last week, and the Colorado Association of Realtors puts out a report monthly.
[12:20] Karen Levine: And last month we discussed the fact that our under contract numbers were up month over month and that I was a little concerned about why the sold numbers were lagging behind.
[12:31] Karen Levine: And now we're starting to see solds catching up.
[12:39] Karen Levine: And it's kind of exciting if we look at Metro Denver, the sold data from October 2018 comparing to current October 2019, we're up 10%.
[12:48] Karen Levine: So the market is still very robust, which is exciting.
[12:52] Karen Levine: And if we look year over year, our solds are up about 5.
[13:00] Karen Levine: I think the other thing to note is our median and average price in the metropolitan area is continuing, I would say, to creep up.
[13:16] Karen Levine: Now, if you look at our state numbers, which I think is always exciting to see kind of the big picture, state numbers, and this is true, Kim, and I think I mentioned this before we went on air, we have a phenomenon nationwide.
[13:30] Karen Levine: And I heard that at the National Association of Realtors meetings last week.
[13:36] Karen Levine: The new normal is a shortage of inventory, and we see that to be true here in the state of Colorado when our month's supply of inventory is down 14.
[13:45] Karen Levine: 3percent from last year, and we're looking at about a 2.
[13:50] Karen Levine: When we started to go into this robust real estate market after the recession.
[13:56] Karen Levine: The thinking and the data states that a normal market is.
[14:02] Karen Levine: Homes are on the market about 120 to 150 days.
[14:06] Karen Levine: I believe that that data and those statistics are going to change, kind of our commentary, and that a normal market's probably 60 to 90 days.
[14:22] Karen Levine: The other thing to look at is new listings, basically not up at all month over month from the state perspective, but we're still seeing great activity and the median price statewide is at$ 380 and in the metro Denver area, for just looking at single family homes, we're looking at a median price range of$ 440..
[14:47] Karen Levine: Affordability is a concern across our nation and if inventory shortage seems to be the new phenomena, we're going to see continued appreciation, which is good for those who have invested in home ownership and are building wealth, but it's not good for the first time.
[15:09] Karen Levine: Home buyer, or the I call them you know, it's really the baby boomer who says I want to sell my big home and move down.
[15:18] Karen Levine: Well, moving down may be moving down in size, but it's definitely not moving down in price and a couple of things.
[15:26] Kim Monson: And you know we've talked to randall o'toole about this significantly, and I submit to you: it's because of public policy that we are seeing this shortage and it's been, you know, we've, we've graduated all these these city planners from from colleges that they have studied that basically, single family home ownership is bad because it's sprawl, and so we've, we've seen the this movement to get people into these four and five story apartment buildings, have them near light rail and uh, randall has said, you know most people would like to have their own home.
[15:58] Kim Monson: And this concerns me because you know, I think, what we're doing to our young people when they pay rent, they don't get to create any equity, and so I think we, I think we need to change this.
[16:11] Kim Monson: The last time I heard somebody say new normal was a president that said that gdp growth was going to be limping along around- you know one, one and a half percent or less forever.
[16:19] Kim Monson: And uh, and somebody came in and said: you know that's not true.
[16:26] Kim Monson: So people may be staying in their homes instead of moving just because of the prices on this.
[16:33] Kim Monson: So tell us about reverse mortgages, because isn't that something that people may utilize in a market like this?
[16:42] Lorne Levy: So first, let me touch on what Karen just said about the baby boomer who wants to downsize, but can by size, but not financially.
[16:50] Lorne Levy: So one of the ways we use a reverse mortgage is I'm going to use just a round number.
[16:53] Lorne Levy: If someone has$ 250,000 of equity in their home, they sell that home.
[16:57] Lorne Levy: A reverse mortgage, instead of just letting them buy cash for a$ 250,000 home, because that's all they have, may afford them the ability to buy a$ 500,000 home or a$ 550,000 home and still have no mortgage because the reverse will come in and pay for the rest of the mortgage.
[17:13] Lorne Levy: And they just put down their equity from the property they just sold.
[17:18] Kim Monson: So you can use a reverse mortgage to buy another home.
[17:23] Lorne Levy: And a lot of people do not know that.
[17:25] Lorne Levy: It's called reverse mortgage for purchase.
[17:28] Lorne Levy: And it allows a lot of buying power, which is really key here in Colorado because it is so hard to downsize price-wise.
[17:42] Lorne Levy: You understand that it's based on age, okay?
[17:44] Lorne Levy: So I'm going to use just a round figure.
[17:46] Lorne Levy: Just say that at your age, let's just say at a 70-year-old person.
[17:52] Lorne Levy: But you have to be 62 to do a reverse.
[17:57] Lorne Levy: So let's just say you're 70, and let's just, to keep it simple, say you qualify for a 50%reverse mortgage.
[18:01] Lorne Levy: That means the reverse will fund 50% ofthe home.
[18:04] Lorne Levy: So if you sell a house and you walk away net 250, 250, 000 fromthe sale of that home, you bring$ 250, 000 cashdown the reverse because it's 50% will match250, 000 on amortgage that you do not repay.
[18:18] Lorne Levy: So now you have$ 500, 000 worth ofpurchasing power with your 250, 000 and you'dhave no house payment on that home.
[18:28] Lorne Levy: All you have is property taxes and insurance you need and HOA dues if there are any.
[18:33] Kim Monson: But you've only brought$ 250, 000 to thetable.
[18:35] Lorne Levy: The reverse mortgage has funded the other$ 250, 000, and sonow you have a$ 250, 000 lien thatyou owe, and each month, in reverse, you will owe more on that property, but they, as long as you do not violate the covenants of the loan, they cannot kick you out unless you leave voluntarily or pass away or violate these covenants.
[18:53] Kim Monson: And so is this, I mean, is this something the government's approved?
[18:58] Lorne Levy: These are FHA loans, so they're run through the government, and we can talk about that, but primarily it's done to protect seniors because you have to be 62 to get these loans.
[19:06] Lorne Levy: So there's a lot of regulations in place to protect people from preying on senior citizens.
[19:11] Lorne Levy: And so, yeah, it is absolutely backed by the government through the FHA program, just like a first- time homebuyer programis too through FHA.
[19:21] Karen Levine: And I would say the thing to look at is so when that person either sells or passes away, then the mortgage is paid off.
[19:31] Karen Levine: So what's happening is that amount that the reverse was for is growing.
[19:35] Karen Levine: And so maybe the downside is you're not going to leave quite the financial legacy to your family, but you got to live in a property that was comfortable and provided for your needs.
[19:46] Kim Monson: So in essence, you two could work together.
[19:50] Kim Monson: Like if somebody wanted to get into a different property, then together you guys could help them strategize how to make this happen.
[19:59] Lorne Levy: I have a meeting after this with a woman who wants to do this.
[20:04] Lorne Levy: She wants to sell her current house and then use the proceeds to buy with more purchasing power through a reverse.
[20:11] Lorne Levy: Because her net proceeds that she's going to get will not allow, afford her enough buying power.
[20:15] Lorne Levy: So she needs the reverse to get where she needs to be.
[20:18] Kim Monson: So the other thing, Lauren, when I'm, I'm learning about this and I think this is going to be a process.
[20:24] Kim Monson: This is something that we want to do on, on a monthly basis is to get these housing numbers and, and, um, but you had mentioned that it's really important to have, well, first of all, work with a specialist like you, but then also you like to bring the family in.
[20:38] Kim Monson: So there's no surprises on Well, that's right.
[20:40] Lorne Levy: Well, number one, Karen just touched on it.
[20:42] Lorne Levy: Reverse mortgages are not for everyone.
[20:47] Lorne Levy: For example, if someone calls me and says, I live in a home that my father built with his bare hands, my family's lived here, I raised my kids here, and when I go, I want my kids to take over this property.
[20:56] Lorne Levy: I would never put that person in a reverse mortgage because they're going to spend down the equity and should hopefully they live long enough, there may be no equity left to where.
[21:03] Lorne Levy: If that's the point at that point you just leave the keys on the counter, notify the bank that mom and dad have left the home and it's the bank's issue now, not the family.
[21:12] Lorne Levy: There's no, they don't come after the heirs.
[21:15] Lorne Levy: There's no, uh liens left, you know, other than the mortgage, and but there is also no equity in that case.
[21:21] Kim Monson: So the heirs don't have, uh, something that's passed on.
[21:25] Kim Monson: Okay, okay, uh, are you seeing more of this?
[21:29] Karen Levine: I actually have a property under contract in the Thornton area and my seller was able to buy a property when she probably was in her mid- 70s.
[21:42] Karen Levine: Lovely ranchstyle home and we put it on the market and she'll be paying off her reverse mortgage.
[21:50] Karen Levine: She has moved out of the state to live with family.
[21:52] Karen Levine: But it's funny because she knew that it's a no recourse loan and she kept saying, well, I'll just leave the keys and give it back to the bank.
[22:04] Karen Levine: Well, in her case, she has a sizable amount of equity, like over$ 50, 000 of equity.
[22:10] Karen Levine: Let's sell the property so that you can put some money back in your pocket.
[22:16] Kim Monson: So what she thought is she had heard this part that I have a reverse, so I just leave the keys.
[22:21] Kim Monson: And you're like, hold on just a minute.
[22:23] Kim Monson: There's some other things we need to consider here.
[22:26] Kim Monson: Reverse mortgages can be paid off like any other loan.
[22:29] Lorne Levy: You can change your mind a few years into it.
[22:31] Lorne Levy: And if you're like, you know what, this isn't right for me.
[22:33] Lorne Levy: I want to be by family or not in this property anymore.
[22:35] Lorne Levy: You just sell it like any other home, request a payoff from the bank, like any other loan, and they'll give you one.
[22:41] Lorne Levy: And if you pay it off, the rest is yours.
[22:43] Kim Monson: It seems like this is a strategy that people should at least probably explore if they're thinking about downsizing.
[22:48] Kim Monson: And when you see this, Karen, And we've talked with Randall O'Toole a lot about attached housing.
[22:56] Kim Monson: And I think when he's talking about, you know, this attached housing, it's more that forced, you know, because of, you know, all of these public policy decisions that push people into apartments or whatever.
[23:07] Kim Monson: But people may want to get into a townhouse or something like that.
[23:12] Karen Levine: And we had I had some discussions while I was in San Francisco at the national meetings and just, you know, kind of feeling people out.
[23:20] Karen Levine: And we really believe that the American homeowner likes options and attached dwellings being condominiums or paired housing or townhomes.
[23:41] Karen Levine: All of those provide different lifestyle needs.
[23:46] Karen Levine: And for those who don't want to live outside the city and want to be in the Metro Hub, multifamily housing becomes somewhat a necessity because of desired density, not imposed density by our, you know, lovers.
[23:50] Karen Levine: But the fact that people know that if I want to be on the heart of what's happening in downtown Denver, I'll probably be living in a condominium because of that lifestyle.
[24:04] Kim Monson: Well, we're going to go to break here in just a minute, but this is so interesting.
[24:07] Kim Monson: I'm not sure, Lauren, that I still have my brain around it, which is probably why if people are interested in this, they should probably sit down and talk with you about this.
[24:17] Lorne Levy: And we haven't touched on being able to keep people in their homes through reverses either, and all of the options that are afforded through that as well.
[24:25] Lorne Levy: If they already own a home and want to refinance into a reverse, that's a whole separate conversation.
[24:30] Kim Monson: And I guess that is a separate conversation, but why would we do that?
[24:35] Lorne Levy: Because most people that are of the age of reverses today have been trained that you pay off your home.
[24:41] Lorne Levy: You get into a fixed- rate mortgage, youmake the payments through the years, and that now is most people's biggest asset.
[24:46] Lorne Levy: It's not necessarily their 401K or their IRA.
[24:49] Lorne Levy: A lot of times it's equity in their home.
[24:52] Lorne Levy: They live on Social Security or whatever income.
[24:56] Lorne Levy: So their choices are to sell their home that they love or try to get a home equity line from a bank which requires you to qualify, show your income and make payments.
[25:05] Lorne Levy: Or the reverse is there, which does, which has very limited qualifications, allows you access to the funds that you do not have to pay back.
[25:14] Lorne Levy: Okay, and it's a and, by the way, it's tax- free when itcomes out.
[25:17] Lorne Levy: So it's a huge opportunity for people to do a whole array of things like purchase long- term care policies,life insurance policies, do other things like that to help them down the road or to just get the cash that they need to survive in retirement.
[25:29] Lorne Levy: So there's a whole realm of possibilities on a reverse for refinance as well.
[25:35] Kim Monson: So how do people reach you, Lorne Levy?
[25:38] Lorne Levy: They can call my office, which is 303- 880- 8881, oralwaysgo to www.
[25:50] Kim Monson: And one more time, that phone number?
[25:53] Lorne Levy: AndKaren Levine, how can people reach you?
[26:04] Kim Monson: I have her phone number memorized as 303- 877- 7516.
[26:06] Kim Monson: Andspeakingof phone numbers that I have memorized, I have the phone number for Presidential Wealth Management totally memorized as well.
[26:19] Kim Monson: Whatdoyou think of that, Jason McBride.
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[26:39] SPEAKER_13: Me and Lord are both pretty large specimens.
[26:42] SPEAKER_13: I think you would.
[26:47] Kim Monson: So we are coming in, I cannot believe it, Jason, that we are, what is it, November 14th.
[26:51] Kim Monson: And there's a lot of things that happen between now and the end of the year that people need to be thinking about regarding their financial picture.
[26:59] Kim Monson: And you mentioned, we talked a little bit about it yesterday, mutual funds and capital gains.
[27:04] Kim Monson: But what more should people know about that?
[27:08] SPEAKER_13: Well, I think it's kind of worth repeating what we said yesterday and a little bit.
[27:12] SPEAKER_13: And And I bet Lauren will be nodding his head a little bit.
[27:15] SPEAKER_13: Towards the end of the year, a lot of times, mutual fund prices will suddenly take a large drop for no apparent reason.
[27:25] SPEAKER_13: And that's because a fund that has had good growth for the year, even a couple of years, they pay out their capital gains.
[27:34] SPEAKER_13: And those capital gains leave the price of the fund.
[27:39] SPEAKER_13: So again, for example, Kim, let's say your mutual fund was at$ 10 at the beginning of the year, and it's been a good year for the stock market and the price of the fund has moved all the way up to$ 12.
[27:53] SPEAKER_13: Well, they along the way may have sold off stocks that were profitable.
[27:59] SPEAKER_13: They may have also accrued dividends from the stocks inside of there.
[28:05] SPEAKER_13: and let's say the gains on the stocks are about$ 1 worth and the dividends are$ 0.
[28:11] SPEAKER_13: 50, well, nowyour fund price is at$ 12 one day, and they pay out$ 1.
[28:18] SPEAKER_13: 50 worth ofgains and dividends, and all of a sudden the next day the price of the fund is back to$ 10.
[28:26] SPEAKER_13: 50, and itlooks like it took a great big drop, but it didn't.
[28:32] SPEAKER_13: either A, if you're set up to pay cash, that amount went into your account, or if you reinvest, they just bought you more shares of the fund at the lower price.
[28:46] SPEAKER_13: Okay, okay.
[28:48] Kim Monson: So I think you're just cautioning people not to get so concerned about it if they've seen that price go down because something may be happening.
[28:58] Kim Monson: They may actually have more shares.
[28:59] Kim Monson: So that seems like that's an important thing for people to understand.
[29:02] Kim Monson: Is that also something they need to be aware of, though, from a tax standpoint then?
[29:07] SPEAKER_13: I'm glad you asked, because that was the second part we didn't get to yesterday.
[29:11] SPEAKER_13: So what will happen then, Kim, is if, again, if they originally bought the shares at$ 10, they have$ 1.
[29:20] SPEAKER_13: 50 worth ofgains that come out, if they're reinvesting, that$ 1.
[29:24] SPEAKER_13: 50 will getadded to the$ 10 for tax basis.
[29:29] SPEAKER_13: So now think about this.
[29:33] SPEAKER_13: It's kind of weird.
[29:34] SPEAKER_13: You bought the shares actually for$ 10.
[29:36] SPEAKER_13: They were up to$ 12.
[29:38] SPEAKER_13: Now the shares are back down to$ 10.
[29:41] SPEAKER_13: 50.
[29:43] SPEAKER_13: And ifyou look at your account or on your statement, a lot of times it says you paid$ 11.
[29:47] SPEAKER_13: 50.
[29:47] SPEAKER_13: And that'sthe other problem that occurs- is sometimes it looks weird from a tax basis, like you're losing money on a fund.
[29:57] SPEAKER_13: And it looks like you've been losing on it year after year after year, if they pay out these gains and reinvest them, when you're really quite far ahead on it from the amount of dollars you originally put in.
[30:11] Kim Monson: Okay, so you really kind of need to compare with what you put in and then your total number of shares that you have and what that's worth.
[30:19] Kim Monson: Am I hearing you correctly on that?
[30:20] SPEAKER_13: Right, plus any cash dividends or distributions you may have received.
[30:25] SPEAKER_13: So it's kind of the wonky time of the year for fund prices, and I'll get a few calls every year.
[30:33] SPEAKER_13: Oh, my gosh, I just saw this fund we had took a great big drop yesterday.
[30:39] SPEAKER_13: What happened?
[30:40] SPEAKER_13: And inevitably, I'll get calls, well, I was looking at my statement, and we've held this fund for five years, and it says I'm losing money on it.
[30:50] SPEAKER_13: But you have to dig a little bit deeper to see your actual cash basis, not including reinvested money.
[30:58] SPEAKER_13: Okay, well, that's really, really good to know.
[31:03] Kim Monson: And so from now until the end of the year, I know we'll be having nuggets of wisdom every day from you about your own economic well- being.
[31:14] SPEAKER_13: I appreciate it.
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[31:30] Kim Monson: When we come back, we'll talk with Randall O'Toole about Colorado's transportation's listening tour.
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[33:09] Kim Monson: Thrilled to have in studio with me today, Karen Levine, Remax Alliance, Lorne Levy with PolyFi Lending Specialist.
[33:15] Kim Monson: And on the line with me is Randall O'Toole.
[33:20] Kim Monson: is an expert in housing and transportation.
[33:24] Kim Monson: He works with the Cato Institute, with the Independence Institute.
[33:27] Kim Monson: And I always learn so much, Karen, when Randall's on the show.
[33:39] Kim Monson: So hey, Randall O'Toole, Steve said, since you're on the show today, and I know you like trains, you just don't like forced trains, but I thought I'd go with a train theme.
[33:49] Kim Monson: So I have a joke for you, Randall O'Toole.
[33:52] Kim Monson: This is the joke I told earlier today.
[33:54] Kim Monson: And Steve said, let's see if you think it's funny.
[33:58] Kim Monson: Hotel manager, a man and wife check into a hotel.
[34:01] Kim Monson: The husband wants to have a drink at the bar, but his wife is extremely tired.
[34:04] Kim Monson: So she decides to go up to their room to rest.
[34:08] Kim Monson: Just then an elevated train passes by very close to the window, shakes the room so hard she's thrown out of bed.
[34:13] Kim Monson: Thinking this must be a freak occurrence, she lies down once again.
[34:15] Kim Monson: Again, The train goes by, shakes the room so violently she falls on the floor.
[34:20] Kim Monson: Exasperated, she calls the front desk, asks for the manager.
[34:23] Kim Monson: The manager says he'll be right up.
[34:25] Kim Monson: He's skeptical, she says, about the story.
[34:28] Kim Monson: She says, look, lie down here on the bed.
[34:30] Kim Monson: You'll be thrown right to the floor.
[34:36] Kim Monson: And the manager calmly replies, would you believe I'm waiting for a train?
[34:44] SPEAKER_09: I'm still there.
[34:46] SPEAKER_09: I'm not laughing.
[34:48] SPEAKER_09: Okay.
[34:57] Kim Monson: And out here in Colorado, we've seen that there is this continue move to try to get people out of their internal combustion cars.
[35:06] Kim Monson: And so CDOT, the state of Colorado, I think the governor's been involved in it as well, has been doing, quote-unquote, a listening tour around the state to find out what people think about transportation.
[35:18] Kim Monson: I think, actually, you don't have to do a listening tour.
[35:21] Kim Monson: You can just take a look out the window, and you can see what people want to drive.
[35:24] Kim Monson: But what would you say to that, Randall O'Toole?
[35:26] SPEAKER_09: Well, you know, one of the first things you're going to hear from most people, if they pick a random cross-section of people is that they want less congestion, especially in the metro areas.
[35:41] SPEAKER_09: But congestion is the number one concern for a lot of people, especially in the Front Range area, to a lesser degree in other parts of the state.
[35:52] SPEAKER_09: And so if they just say, what do you want, that's what people are going to say.
[35:57] SPEAKER_09: If they, however, try to rig the system and they try to bring out people who are more oriented towards, as you say, the anti-internal combustion engine crowd, then they're going to try to get people who want to say, oh, we need more transit.
[36:17] SPEAKER_09: We live in a remote corner of Colorado, and we don't have transit, so therefore it's your job to provide us with transit.
[36:27] SPEAKER_09: And I think there's this feeling that everybody in the state, not just people in downtown Denver, should be entitled to have transit so that the very few people who don't drive should get to have a ride at their taxpayer's expense.
[36:45] Kim Monson: Well, and you know, all of this, this whole narrative, I mean, there's the climate change and, you know, the footprint that we're leaving on our earth.
[36:56] Kim Monson: And as I'm looking at this, to run empty trains and to drive empty buses, that seems like that's a heck of a carbon, well, you know, environmental impact.
[37:07] Kim Monson: What would you say to that, Randall?
[37:09] SPEAKER_09: Well, you're absolutely right.
[37:12] SPEAKER_09: and most trains generate lots of greenhouse gases.
[37:17] SPEAKER_09: And, in fact, there's not a single transit system in Colorado that generates fewer greenhouse gases for every passenger it carries one mile than the average automobile generates for every passenger it carries one mile.
[37:32] SPEAKER_09: So on a per-passenger-mile basis, if you want to generate fewer greenhouse gases, you get people out of transit and you get them into cars.
[37:40] SPEAKER_09: You get people off of trains and you get them into cars because cars are the green form of transportation in Colorado, not transit, not trains, not buses.
[37:52] Kim Monson: But the planners would say we need to get rid of cars.
[37:55] Kim Monson: So we have these empty buses, these empty trains.
[37:59] Kim Monson: So we just need to fill it up with people.
[38:01] Kim Monson: And so we'll use force via public policy.
[38:05] Kim Monson: First of all, I should say that kind of in a way they use the carrot first.
[38:12] Kim Monson: But we're getting to a point now where we're seeing force, because people have seen the carrot and most people are not interested in that.
[38:18] Kim Monson: And so they're trying to figure out ways to get people out of those cars and onto these trains and buses.
[38:26] SPEAKER_09: Well, you say force and I say congestion and parking.
[38:32] SPEAKER_09: What they do is they say, okay, congestion is your concern?
[38:36] SPEAKER_09: Okay, let's build a train, and then we'll make congestion worse than it is today in order to get people to ride the train.
[38:44] SPEAKER_09: You say you're worried about having a place to park.
[38:47] SPEAKER_09: Okay, let's run a bus, and then we'll take away parking places so that you won't be able to drive, and then you'll have to ride the bus.
[38:55] SPEAKER_09: I got an email from somebody recently saying I'd written an op-ed about transit in San Antonio, Texas.
[39:02] SPEAKER_09: I got an email from somebody saying there's no parking where I work.
[39:06] SPEAKER_09: I worked downtown, and they took away all the parking, and now I have to take the bus, and the bus only goes once an hour, and can you make the transit agency run buses more frequently and run them faster?
[39:17] SPEAKER_09: And I said, no, your problem is not the transit.
[39:20] SPEAKER_09: Your problem is they took away the parking.
[39:22] SPEAKER_09: You should have a place to park.
[39:26] Kim Monson: I had to go down to a meeting the other night downtown in downtown Denver, and I used to not understand why some of the parking meters, you know, they'd have hoods on them, meaning that you can't park there.
[39:38] Kim Monson: But what I learned when I was on city council is that there's a lot of politicians and bureaucrats that actually have special passes, that they can park on those hooded parking, in front of those hooded parking meters.
[39:52] Kim Monson: And so they take away parking, but yet not for them.
[39:56] SPEAKER_09: Isn't that great?
[39:57] SPEAKER_09: Their jobs are too important, so they should get to drive, but everybody else should take transit.
[40:04] SPEAKER_09: it.
[40:05] SPEAKER_09: Portland has a regional planning agency called Metro.
[40:09] SPEAKER_09: It's similar to Dr.
[40:13] SPEAKER_09: Cog, the Denver Regional Council of Governments in Denver.
[40:16] SPEAKER_09: And Metro built a new office building.
[40:21] SPEAKER_09: They actually took an old building and recycled it, which cost twice as much as it would have cost to build a new building, because recycling is so important, of course.
[40:28] SPEAKER_09: So they recycled this building, and they said to the people who were working there, okay, we'll give you all free transit passes, or you can have free parking.
[40:37] SPEAKER_09: Which do you want?
[40:38] SPEAKER_09: And they all said they wanted free parking, not free transit passes.
[40:44] Kim Monson: So we want everybody else to ride these trains and buses, but not for me.
[40:49] Kim Monson: That reminds me, there was, and Randall, what I see is it's something, Have you heard of this thing called the Overton Window where, you know, it's kind of moving public opinion one way or another?
[41:03] Kim Monson: And we've seen this in the media, you know, regarding climate change, regarding a lot of these issues.
[41:09] Kim Monson: And so, for example, you know, we see these headlines.
[41:12] Kim Monson: Governor and CDOT does listening tour to find out what people want in transportation.
[41:17] Kim Monson: Then I saw a headline that Patty had put on the outline, this was a week or so ago, that there had been a survey done here in Denver, or in the metro area, and 83 or 87 percent of the people said that they wanted more transit.
[41:35] Kim Monson: But yet we're running empty buses and empty trains, so if 87 percent wanted transit, why are they not on those trains and buses is my question.
[41:43] SPEAKER_09: Well, of course, the Onion had two great headlines, and the one of them you're familiar with.
[41:49] SPEAKER_09: It was 98%of American commuters think other people should ride transit so that they can drive on uncongested roads.
[41:57] SPEAKER_09: The other great headline was a planner in Philadelphia gets caught in the congestion that he made.
[42:05] SPEAKER_09: You know, the planner planned for this area to be congested so that people would ride transit.
[42:11] SPEAKER_09: Then he gets stuck in traffic.
[42:13] SPEAKER_09: He says, if everybody had ridden transit, I wouldn't be stuck in traffic here.
[42:16] Kim Monson: Randall, those headlines are actually better than the joke that I started this segment with.
[42:25] Kim Monson: That seems to be something that everybody talks about, and I think that is what the PBIs, the politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties are using to try to control, force us out of our internal combustion engines into what they think we should, how we should travel.
[42:46] Kim Monson: Lorne Levy with Polyfi Lending is in studio with us.
[42:48] Kim Monson: Rana O'Toole, expert on housing and transportation and everything urban regarding those two issues is on the line and we'll be right back.
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[44:00] Kim Monson: Hey, welcome back to the Kim Monson Show, where we have conversations about important issues out there.
[44:10] Kim Monson: And I have Randall O'Toole on the line.
[44:13] Kim Monson: He is with the Cato Institute, as well as does great work here with the Independence Institute.
[44:17] Kim Monson: He's an expert on transportation on housing and urban planning.
[44:22] Kim Monson: And Randall O'Toole, you have a new book out as well, don't you?
[44:25] SPEAKER_09: Well, I don't know how new it is.
[44:28] SPEAKER_09: It came out last year, last October.
[44:32] SPEAKER_09: So it's been out for about a year, but it's called Romance of the Rails.
[44:36] SPEAKER_09: Why the passenger trains we love are not the transportation we need.
[44:42] SPEAKER_09: And I've always loved trains.
[44:45] SPEAKER_09: I ride trains whenever I can.
[44:47] SPEAKER_09: but I don't like subsidies to trains.
[44:50] SPEAKER_09: The subsidies to passenger trains are gigantic.
[44:54] SPEAKER_09: Subsidies to Amtrak, subsidies to RTD, subsidies to other rail transit around the country.
[45:00] SPEAKER_09: They're gigantic compared to the subsidies to driving or subsidies to airlines.
[45:05] SPEAKER_09: And if we take away all transportation subsidies, you won't hardly notice a change in the prices of airline tickets or driving, but you would notice that RTD would end up having to quadruple or more its fares in order to cover its costs.
[45:22] Kim Monson: You know, that just reminds me, did you happen to see in this last election that Denver voters approved that Denver would have its own transportation system?
[45:33] Kim Monson: Did you happen to see that, Randall?
[45:36] Kim Monson: We're going to need to talk about that.
[45:40] Kim Monson: As you mentioned that, I realized that we need to chat about that because here we have RTD, which I think we're subsidizing that to the tune of like$ 684 million each year.
[45:50] Kim Monson: And then we're adding that in, too.
[45:52] Kim Monson: So maybe next month we can talk about that, Randall.
[45:57] Kim Monson: But let's talk about congestion because that is the thing that people are so frustrated with.
[46:00] Kim Monson: And so you have your PBIs, your politicians, and your bureaucrats and interested parties saying, we can help with that.
[46:07] Kim Monson: But what that really means is that we want to get you out of your internal combustion cars.
[46:14] Kim Monson: Is there a way to fix congestion and still let people have freedom of mobility to be able to make their own choices?
[46:20] SPEAKER_09: Well, there is.
[46:21] SPEAKER_09: And not everybody likes it.
[46:24] SPEAKER_09: And one big problem is that it's real easily warped by politicians into something that can be very bad.
[46:33] SPEAKER_09: But right now we pay for roads with vehicle registration fees and gas taxes.
[46:37] SPEAKER_09: And the problem is that vehicle registration fees and gas taxes don't do anything about congestion.
[46:44] SPEAKER_09: It's like going into a grocery store and paying for the groceries you buy by how many minutes you hang on to your shopping cart.
[46:53] SPEAKER_09: And, you know, so if you pay by the minute for your shopping cart, then you're going to buy all the most expensive stuff.
[47:00] SPEAKER_09: You're going to buy the$ 100 wine and the$ 20 a pound wild Alaska salmon and so on and so forth, and you're going to leave all the cheap stuff behind.
[47:11] SPEAKER_09: And, of course, what that means is within a day there won't be any more expensive stuff in the stores.
[47:19] SPEAKER_09: There will only be a bunch of junk, and that's all you'll be able to find.
[47:22] SPEAKER_09: By charging different prices for wild salmon versus farm salmon or for expensive wine versus cheap wine, we moderate the demand and people get what they want and what they're willing to pay for.
[47:40] SPEAKER_09: The same thing can be done with roads.
[47:42] SPEAKER_09: Electronically, today, it's possible to charge by the mile for the road you drive on And to vary the price depending on whether there's a lot of traffic or not.
[47:53] SPEAKER_09: If you want to drive at 8.
[47:54] SPEAKER_09: 30in the morning on I- 70into Denver, it's going to be more expensive than if you want to drive at 2 a.
[48:03] SPEAKER_09: m.
[48:04] SPEAKER_09: or even 8 p.
[48:05] SPEAKER_09: m.
[48:06] SPEAKER_09: And it is more expensive.
[48:08] SPEAKER_09: And by charging more, we take that into account, that it is more expensive to provide that capacity to be able to drive at the high demand times of the day.
[48:19] SPEAKER_09: And the interesting thing is that the tolls don't have to be that much to really eliminate congestion.
[48:28] SPEAKER_09: Roads are one of the few things, if not the only thing, that if we can eliminate congestion, we can actually increase their capacity.
[48:40] SPEAKER_09: Because when a road is congested, it can only move half as many cars per hour as when it's uncongested.
[48:45] SPEAKER_09: And so by moderating the demand with fees, we end up doubling the capacity of the road.
[48:53] SPEAKER_09: So I really support the idea of paying for roads by how many miles you drive and when you drive on them, rather than paying for it with a vehicle registration fee and a gas tax.
[49:05] SPEAKER_09: But here's the problem.
[49:07] SPEAKER_09: That's called congestion pricing.
[49:09] SPEAKER_09: So the anti- automobilecrowd has taken the term congestion pricing and said, okay, we're going to do congestion pricing.
[49:17] SPEAKER_09: We're going to draw a line around downtown Denver, and any time somebody crosses that line, we're going to charge them$ 10.
[49:23] SPEAKER_09: And we'll call that congestion pricing.
[49:26] SPEAKER_09: And it doesn't do anything about congestion.
[49:29] SPEAKER_09: But what it does do is it raises a lot of money, and then they'll say, okay, we'll take that$ 10 and give it to RTD.
[49:34] SPEAKER_09: And this is what's being done in New York.
[49:38] SPEAKER_09: It's what's being proposed in San Francisco and a lot of other cities.
[49:42] SPEAKER_09: They call it congestion pricing, even though it doesn't solve congestion because it doesn't price during the most congested times of the day.
[49:50] SPEAKER_09: So if you're going to pay$ 10 to go cross that line at 11 a.
[49:55] SPEAKER_09: m.
[49:55] SPEAKER_09: or at 8.
[49:56] SPEAKER_09: 30a.
[49:57] SPEAKER_09: m.,you might as well do it at 8.
[49:59] SPEAKER_09: 30a.
[49:59] SPEAKER_09: m.
[49:59] SPEAKER_09: .m.
[50:00] SPEAKER_09: because that's the time you're used to doing it anyway.
[50:03] SPEAKER_09: So it doesn't solve congestion.
[50:05] SPEAKER_09: So I support true congestion pricing.
[50:09] SPEAKER_09: I support pay-by-the-mile, which incidentally is what I do.
[50:13] SPEAKER_09: I live in Oregon.
[50:17] SPEAKER_09: In Oregon we have a system where you can elect to pay by the mile rather than pay gas taxes, and so I pay by the mile.
[50:22] SPEAKER_09: And we need to have more states do that.
[50:24] Kim Monson: But, boy, Randall, I've got to think about this one because I'm not sure I agree with you on this.
[50:31] Kim Monson: But it's fascinating because I just see a way that PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, easy for me to say this morning, would abuse this.
[50:43] Kim Monson: And it would really start to affect the mobility choices of people.
[50:50] Kim Monson: And, you know, I think that I'm just not sure I agree with you on this one.
[50:53] Kim Monson: And I normally agree with you on almost everything, Randall.
[50:57] SPEAKER_09: All right.
[50:57] SPEAKER_09: Well, you support the idea of paying more for filet mignon than for hamburger.
[51:02] SPEAKER_09: True.
[51:03] SPEAKER_09: You support the idea of paying more for true French champagne than for two-buck chuck at Trader Joe's.
[51:14] SPEAKER_09: You know, you understand that some things cost more than other things, and so we should pay more for the things that cost more.
[51:19] SPEAKER_09: And that's true for highways, too.
[51:21] SPEAKER_09: And, yes, it could be subject to abuse.
[51:23] SPEAKER_09: And there's a clear remedy for that.
[51:28] SPEAKER_09: Most states used to have in their constitution a requirement that gas taxes can only go for roads.
[51:34] SPEAKER_09: Oregon still does, and so does maybe Colorado does.
[51:40] Kim Monson: Yeah, no, they take money out of that and put it towards transit.
[51:44] SPEAKER_09: Half the money paid in gas taxes in Texas goes for education.
[51:47] SPEAKER_09: half the money in gas taxes in Minnesota goes for transit.
[51:55] SPEAKER_09: So we need to put that provision back in and say, all right, vehicle registration fees, gas taxes, tolls, and mileage-based user fees can only go for roads.
[52:06] SPEAKER_09: They can't go for transit.
[52:08] SPEAKER_09: They can't go for education.
[52:09] SPEAKER_09: They can't go for anything else.
[52:10] SPEAKER_09: If you pass a constitutional requirement for that, then we would safeguard the use of mileage-based user fees, and they wouldn't be able to abuse it.
[52:22] SPEAKER_09: If you're a government agency and your money is coming from the users, you're going to cater to those users just like a private corporation is.
[52:32] SPEAKER_09: You're not going to say, oh, we think that people shouldn't be allowed to drive, and so we're going to take away lanes, we're going to take away parking places, because if you do that, you're going to also be taking away your revenue.
[52:44] SPEAKER_09: And suddenly you're going to be, hey, we better not do that.
[52:47] SPEAKER_09: We better do something that really enhances the experience for auto drivers and gets them to where they want to go as quickly and safely and efficiently as possible.
[52:56] Kim Monson: Well, Randall O'Toole, that's fascinating.
[52:57] Kim Monson: I'm going to think about this, and let's see if we can get you schedules that will work for you next month to talk about this, because I'm going to have to have a little bit of time to think about that.
[53:09] Kim Monson: So, Randall O'Toole, how can people find all this fabulous work that you do?
[53:14] SPEAKER_09: Well, I am the anti-planner, and if you go Google anti-planner, I'm the first thing on the list.
[53:20] SPEAKER_09: I have a web page called Anti-Planner.
[53:23] SPEAKER_09: and you can also go to my employer, Cato Institute, Cato.
[53:28] SPEAKER_09: org, and I have more than 30 papers downloadable for free on Cato.
[53:36] SPEAKER_09: I have 28 recent policy briefs downloadable on the Anti-Planner, including a couple of them on Colorado.
[53:42] SPEAKER_09: So go to Anti-Planner, just Google Anti-Planner, and take a look at my recent policy briefs.
[53:49] Kim Monson: Rana O'Toole, thank you so much, and we'll talk to you next month.
[53:52] SPEAKER_09: Good to talk to you.
[53:56] Kim Monson: And Karen Levine and Lorne Levy, great to have you in studio.
[54:00] Kim Monson: And Lauren, you got a text from somebody.
[54:02] Kim Monson: And so let's kind of finish this out on this reverse mortgages here.
[54:05] Lorne Levy: I was handed a note from a listener who asked.
[54:07] Lorne Levy: Evidently they have a friend or an acquaintance who did a reverse mortgage and is saying that she was told that once she left the property she was only going to have her or her heirs would only have two months to dispose of the property to get their equity out.
[54:22] Lorne Levy: It is 12 months that your family has to sell the property to claim the equity after paying off the reverse.
[54:28] Lorne Levy: And also that she was told that she could not have a dog in a home with a reverse mortgage.
[54:32] Lorne Levy: And that is not part of any reverse mortgage.
[54:35] Lorne Levy: That could be a covenant of an HOA in a specific place, which is separate.
[54:39] Lorne Levy: That would apply to any mortgage, but it's not something that reverse mortgages get involved with.
[54:44] Kim Monson: Well, thank you for clarifying that.
[54:46] Kim Monson: So that voice was Lorne Levy with PolyFi.
[54:53] Lorne Levy: And I will have a podcast up tomorrow on reverse mortgages at www.
[55:00] Kim Monson: And Karen Levine, always great to have you here as well.
[55:02] Kim Monson: And people can reach you at 303-877-7516.
[55:08] Kim Monson: But it's always great to have you here.
[55:12] Kim Monson: Okay, so let's do this again next month.
[55:24] Kim Monson: So our quote for today, we talked about James J.
[55:28] Kim Monson: Hill, and he was this great railroad baron, if you will.
[55:33] Kim Monson: And he actually did not take any subsidies, and he created vast wealth with that.
[55:40] Kim Monson: And he said, most men who have really lived have had in some share their great adventure.
[55:52] Kim Monson: Most men who have really lived have had in some share their great adventure.
[55:59] Kim Monson: So on that today, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[56:15] SPEAKER_02: God bless you, and God bless America.
[56:28] SPEAKER_02: Through the rain and lightning, wandering out into this great unknown.
[56:37] SPEAKER_02: And I don't want no one to cry, but tell them if I don't survive, I was born free.
[56:47] SPEAKER_02: I was born free.
[56:52] SPEAKER_02: I was born free.