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[02:10] Kim Monson: Boy, it's a great Friday, though, because in studio with me is Allen Thomas.
[02:24] Allen Thomas: You keep having me guest host some of these while you get to go and see some grandkids.
[02:32] Kim Monson: And it is a lot of fun to do this, but it takes a lot to make it happen, doesn't it?
[02:38] Allen Thomas: And boy, if I thought it went fast being a guest for two hours, man, hosting it just flies by.
[02:47] Kim Monson: And I hear from our listeners, and they're like, great job.
[02:51] Kim Monson: So you and Brad Beck have really done a super job, and I really, really, really do appreciate that.
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[03:01] Kim Monson: And we'll talk with Nephi Cole here in this second segment of the first hour.
[03:07] Kim Monson: He is the Government Relations State Affairs Director.
[03:12] Kim Monson: And these firearms bills that are going through the state legislature, This is what actually started the American Revolution.
[03:20] Kim Monson: April 19, 1775 was the shot that was heard around the world at Lexington and Concord.
[03:29] Kim Monson: And the Crown, the British, were marching over to Lexington and Concord because they said, we want to take your ammos and your firearms.
[03:37] Kim Monson: And the colonists said, we don't think so.
[03:40] Kim Monson: But we're seeing policy that's trying to do that, Alan.
[03:43] Allen Thomas: And, you know, we like to conveniently ignore the fact that there were privately owned cannons owned by private citizens that was leased to the Continental Army.
[03:54] Allen Thomas: So this whole, you know, oh, they only had guns.
[03:56] Allen Thomas: It was like, nope, they had all the armament as private citizens back then.
[04:01] Allen Thomas: So some of these arguments fail by many of the progressives.
[04:06] Allen Thomas: But, you know, we've seen it a long time coming.
[04:07] Allen Thomas: I mean, they've just ramped up their intensity and their ability to do it here in Colorado.
[04:12] Allen Thomas: You know, you've been tracking this for years and years, and you've seen the same bills just recycled and tried again and again until they finally get slammed through.
[04:22] Allen Thomas: So it's unfortunate, and hopefully there's an opportunity for several people to find standing and bring this up the court system because they're pretty clearly unconstitutional, many of them.
[04:35] Kim Monson: Well, and what I've really seen, Alan, is with all these, there's these big themes.
[04:38] Kim Monson: There's property rights, there's land use, there's firearms, there's the radical transgender agenda trying to shut down oil and gas.
[04:49] Kim Monson: And then what I'm seeing, as we're watching these bills through the colorado union of taxpayers, is that there's a lot of bills, not just one or two.
[04:59] Kim Monson: And, to your point, there needs to be legal challenges to it, but first and foremost, we need to be electing people that are not passing unconstitutional laws.
[05:10] Kim Monson: And in the second hour, we'll talk with former Georgia Congressman Jody Heiss about election integrity.
[05:18] Kim Monson: We have got, oh, yesterday, Senate Bill 24210 was heard in committee.
[05:27] Kim Monson: And there was very few people that testified on it.
[05:33] Kim Monson: And I had thought I'd like to try to get down to the state house and it is an effort to drive down there, pay for parking, sit there for hours and so I thought I'll just do remote testimony, which is what I did.
[05:44] Kim Monson: But there's danger, danger in that bill and I can't quite get my finger on it, but I testified against it.
[05:52] Kim Monson: But one of the things is pre-registering 15 year olds to vote when they turn 18..
[06:02] Kim Monson: We're sending out all these mail-out ballots.
[06:04] Kim Monson: These 15-year-olds, they're not going to change their address if they move.
[06:09] Kim Monson: And so it's creating all these ballots.
[06:11] Kim Monson: And the ballots, I think, are the real problem.
[06:15] Kim Monson: And they're playing long ball on this.
[06:17] Kim Monson: And I don't think that we've quite understood the game yet.
[06:21] Allen Thomas: And they've been playing long ball for a long time.
[06:23] Allen Thomas: And that's really where we, as conservatives, fail is we're not willing to take these incremental steps like the progressives and the leftists are doing.
[06:34] Allen Thomas: You know, we want, and abortion is the perfect example, as opposed to walking it back week by week, wherever we can, we instead want to say no abortion ever from time of conception.
[06:44] Allen Thomas: We're not willing to say, hey, let's walk it back to just a heartbeat bill.
[06:48] Allen Thomas: Let's walk it back slowly, just like they did.
[06:52] Allen Thomas: And I mean, they've written the game plan on it.
[06:55] Allen Thomas: You know, they've shown how to move the Overton window slowly and surely.
[06:58] Allen Thomas: And it's like, we have a, we have a playbook right in front of us that we're not willing to use.
[07:04] Allen Thomas: And it is scary because like you said, some of these bills, it's like, man, what, what is the long end game on this?
[07:13] Allen Thomas: And we just have to oppose it however we can.
[07:17] Kim Monson: Boy, that's a really important point.
[07:20] Kim Monson: And when we take the hard line and life is life, You know, there's really a choice.
[07:27] Kim Monson: Life, death, destruction, creation, I mean, freedom, tyranny.
[07:33] Kim Monson: But I've always thought a good place to start is to defund Planned Parenthood.
[07:38] Kim Monson: I think that we would save a lot of babies' lives there.
[07:41] Kim Monson: But to your point, when we've taken such a hard line over here, instead of saving children's lives, we are not.
[07:51] Kim Monson: And trying to do this via law without trying to change the culture, you referred to the Overton window.
[08:00] Kim Monson: And a lot of people may not know what that is, but it's kind of moving public opinion one way or another, right?
[08:06] Allen Thomas: And you have to remember what politicians are incentivized for.
[08:12] Allen Thomas: That is the incentive to being a politician, and that is where we control our politicians.
[08:21] Allen Thomas: So if you have this policy debate, there's there's an upper limit and a lower limit of what society will generally term what's acceptable.
[08:31] Allen Thomas: What, what position a politician can take that won't be outside the Overton window in the extremes and lead them to not get elected again.
[08:40] Allen Thomas: And if you take a position that's outside of what the society and the culture will allow, well, the politician's not going to accept that policy proposal because he knows if he does or he or she does, then they won't get elected again.
[08:53] Allen Thomas: So we need to be taking these policy positions at the edge of where it's culturally and societally acceptable and start moving that Overton window back and shifting it.
[09:04] Allen Thomas: That way, the politicians can accept that policy and also so they can get elected again.
[09:10] Allen Thomas: And a lot of times what we do is we vilify a lot of politicians who support some sort of proposal that's within the Overton window, but is shifting it away from or is shifting it towards a goal that we want towards liberty, towards freedom.
[09:27] Allen Thomas: And then we say, oh, you're not conservative enough.
[09:30] Allen Thomas: Well, actually, that's really good pragmatic policy because there's a practicalness to politics that we're ignoring.
[09:37] Allen Thomas: And, of course, you know, you and I, if we could snap our fingers and have culture reflect, you know, liberty, individual rights and freedom, of course, we would snap our fingers in a heartbeat.
[09:48] Allen Thomas: But our culture is not at that point right now.
[09:50] Allen Thomas: And we have to do the hard part of shifting the culture, shifting the Overton window.
[09:55] Allen Thomas: And we can only do that by allowing and supporting politicians who are guiding us towards that end goal.
[10:03] Kim Monson: And so we need to be in this battle of culture, battle of narratives.
[10:08] Kim Monson: That's why the essays that you're writing, guest hosting, being a guest is important.
[10:14] Kim Monson: That's why what we do here is very important.
[10:16] Kim Monson: So several things I wanted to get to.
[10:19] Kim Monson: First of all, the word of the day is magnanimous.
[10:25] Kim Monson: It could be highly moral, especially in showing kindness or forgiveness, as in overlooking insults or not seeking revenge.
[10:32] Kim Monson: Number two: it could be great of mind, elevated in soul or in sentiment, raised above what is low, mean or ungenerous.
[10:41] Kim Monson: Three, dictated by exhibiting nobleness of soul, honorable, noble, not selfish.
[10:46] Kim Monson: And George Washington is, when I think of the word magnanimous, I think of George Washington.
[10:53] Kim Monson: He could have been king and but he, he was magnanimous and he said: no, I'm only going to served two terms as president.
[11:00] Kim Monson: And so many times, Washington and magnanimous are in the same sentence, Alan.
[11:06] Allen Thomas: And you know, he was such a, an example that we all should reflect in our in our everyday life.
[11:11] Allen Thomas: And you know, this is a perfect one, you know, when you're when you're talking policy, it's easy to get fired up, and get mad and insulting and just get frustrated with these progressives.
[11:22] Allen Thomas: But if you're magnanimous, you, you, you reflect a higher ideal, and you're able to have and be more persuasive in your arguments by stepping above, stepping above the fray and saying, I'm not going to go down to your level and insult you.
[11:37] Allen Thomas: I want to talk about the principles involved behind them.
[11:43] Allen Thomas: And that's why shifting the culture is difficult.
[11:46] Allen Thomas: And it's easy to want to do it by public fiat because it's very, very hard to shift culture to convince people and to persuade them.
[11:52] Kim Monson: And that's the business that you and I are in here.
[11:55] Kim Monson: So, okay, our quote of the day, since it's Friday, I'm taking this from the Center for American Values.
[12:01] Kim Monson: The quote book in the Center for American Values is located in Pueblo, Colorado, focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and then putting together great educational programs so that we can teach ourselves, our children, these important foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism.
[12:22] Kim Monson: Showalter, Jr., United States Army Medal of Honor.
[12:27] Kim Monson: This is actions on October 14, 1952.
[12:32] Kim Monson: First Lieutenant Showalter, commanding officer, Company A, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and indomitable courage above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy.
[12:43] Kim Monson: Committed to attack and occupy a key approach to the primary objective.
[12:50] Kim Monson: The first platoon of his company came under heavy, vicious small arms, grenade, and mortar fire within 50 yards of the enemy-held strongpoint, halting the advance and inflicting several casualties.
[13:01] Kim Monson: The second platoon moved up in support at this juncture and, although wounded, First Lieutenant Showalter continued to spearhead the assault.
[13:09] Kim Monson: Nearing the objective, he was severely wounded by a grenade fragment, but refusing medical aid, he led his men into the trenches and began routing the enemy from the bunkers with grenades.
[13:18] Kim Monson: Suddenly, from a burst of fire from a hidden cove off the trench, he was again wounded.
[13:23] Kim Monson: Although suffering from his wounds, he refused to relinquish command and continued issuing orders and encouraging his men until the commanding ground was secured and he was then evacuated.
[13:34] Kim Monson: First Lieutenant Showalter's unflinching courage, extraordinary heroism, and inspirational leadership reflect the highest credit upon himself and are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service.
[13:51] Kim Monson: And he said this, we didn't break faith with those who died.
[13:54] Kim Monson: And one of the things, many times I have had the great honor to emcee events down at the Center for American Values.
[14:04] Kim Monson: And one of the things that was recently said is that many times heroes don't talk about themselves much.
[14:16] Kim Monson: And the reason is, is because the things that occurred where they became heroes was maybe one of the toughest days of their lives.
[14:22] Kim Monson: And I hadn't really thought about that, Alan.
[14:25] Allen Thomas: I mean, how many of these have we read or that you've read on Friday?
[14:30] Allen Thomas: Do they get injured and they still continue to persevere on?
[14:36] Allen Thomas: I mean, we may not suffer the same physical injuries, but there's definitely emotional ones, right?
[14:42] Allen Thomas: There's definitely pain in other ways that you can suffer in your life.
[14:46] Allen Thomas: But to have that courage to continue to go on, that's what makes you brave and courageous.
[14:51] Kim Monson: And that's why I am doing these quotes.
[14:53] Kim Monson: And again, that's from that Medal of Honor quote book.
[14:55] Kim Monson: Did want to get over here to the bill of the day as well, changing gears.
[14:59] Kim Monson: Representative, excuse me, Senate Bill 24214.
[15:04] Kim Monson: Prime sponsors are Senator Hansen, Representative Emma Bile and Representative McCormick.
[15:15] Kim Monson: And it says, I just put down the Section 1 of the bill, creates the Office of Sustainability.
[15:21] Kim Monson: In the Department of Personnel Department, the Office of Sustainability is required to work with, required, there's that force word, with state agencies and institutions of higher education to implement environmentally sustainable practices.
[15:37] Kim Monson: The powers, duties, and functions of the Office of Sustainability include, and then there is a long list.
[15:42] Kim Monson: And that's this would be a good time to make a plug for a climate conversation documentary, which you can find that at a climateconversation.
[15:51] Kim Monson: It's going to be on newsmax again this weekend and it's a documentary I'm involved in.
[16:00] Kim Monson: He just wanted to have a reasonable conversation about climate, to move that overton window so that people would understand what's going on and that we can stop these kinds of bills that will actually, from an economic standpoint, it is not sustainable whatsoever.
[16:18] Allen Thomas: It's a reasonable and scientific discussion is really what it is.
[16:23] Allen Thomas: I mean, it's not a political discussion at all.
[16:25] Allen Thomas: It's looking at science and facts and figures and saying, hey, you know, this Office of Sustainability, maybe you should be required to watch this documentary to help guide some of their goals.
[16:36] Kim Monson: Maybe I should send that to all of them.
[16:38] Kim Monson: I think that would be a good place.
[16:40] Kim Monson: I'm going to put that on my things to do, Joe, okay?
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[19:39] Kim Monson: They represent the nation's manufacturers, retailers, and distributors of firearms, optics, ammunition, and other related sporting goods and media.
[19:46] Kim Monson: And on the line with me is their director of state affairs and government relations, and that is Nephi Cole.
[19:58] Kim Monson: And I'm figuring you're not getting much rest these days because between Colorado and the Biden administration, there is a direct attack upon law-abiding citizens being able to keep and bear their firearms.
[20:14] Kim Monson: I just saw yesterday, I think, the ATF just launched a new program to infringe on state governments and centralized gun prosecutions on the national level.
[20:24] Kim Monson: That's with the Biden administration.
[20:26] Kim Monson: And then here in Colorado, we've got all of these different firearms bills.
[20:31] Kim Monson: I think the concealed carry bill is on Polis' desk, and I have been recommending to my listeners to contact Polis and ask him to veto that bill.
[20:44] Kim Monson: You cannot let him just not sign it.
[20:46] Kim Monson: He has to veto it because if he doesn't sign it and it sits there long enough, It just becomes law.
[20:53] Kim Monson: What should our listeners know today?
[20:59] Nephi Cole: It's going to be a week and two days, I believe.
[21:04] Nephi Cole: And then we can regroup for next year.
[21:11] Nephi Cole: We can work on figuring out how to not be in the same boat next year.
[21:20] Nephi Cole: This week, the upcoming week, they've scheduled the dealer bill, so the bill that requires a state dealer licensee program.
[21:37] Nephi Cole: And then we are pleading with bated breath for a final hearing on assault weapons ban.
[21:46] Nephi Cole: And I think, to be frank, the assault weapons ban is the one that we're most concerned about.
[21:52] Nephi Cole: That's the one we've put the most effort into discussing with people.
[21:57] Nephi Cole: And that's because that bill, it's, you know, as we all know, assault weapon is not defined.
[22:03] Nephi Cole: So what I mean by that is that's a term that can mean anything.
[22:11] Nephi Cole: And in Colorado, it means just about everything.
[22:14] Nephi Cole: In Colorado, that term in the bill that they've written, it will be all semi-automatic rifles that are centerfire.
[22:22] Nephi Cole: It'll be a huge part of handguns in the state, potentially all.
[22:28] Nephi Cole: It will be shotguns, potentially a huge amount of shotguns.
[22:37] Nephi Cole: And that's because there's language in the bills that not only covers firearms that are, quote-unquote, you know, defined as assault weapons under the, or yes, they're defined as under the bill, but also guns that can be made to be, you know, guns that can be altered with, you know, easily altered to be, you know, quote-unquote assault.
[22:59] Nephi Cole: And remember, what assault means to them is it's what we call single features.
[23:04] Nephi Cole: And so if you have a semi-automatic rifle that has a single feature or can be easily modified to have a single feature, like a muzzle brake or a pistol grip or a removable magazine, it doesn't have to have all these things.
[23:18] Nephi Cole: It has to have one of these things.
[23:21] Nephi Cole: So if it is that thing or it could be easily modified to be that thing, or the accessories that can make a firearm into that thing also qualify under the bill as a assault weapon.
[23:31] Nephi Cole: So it's truly egregious, and the bill just, it's unconstitutionally vague, it's large, and it's really just an effort to harm law-abiding homeowners.
[23:51] Kim Monson: When I've gone down to the statehouse, you have to go through a security check.
[23:55] Kim Monson: And I find it so interesting that these people that want to disarm law-abiding citizens through these different bills, actually the state capitol is protected by the state highway, the state police, I think it is.
[24:13] Kim Monson: So here they have people with firearms that are protecting them, but yet they are using legislation to disarm and make criminals everyday law-abiding citizens, yet our communities are becoming more and more dangerous.
[24:31] Kim Monson: I don't know if you saw, Nephi, but Denver is having real budget challenges because it has been welcoming illegal aliens to Denver.
[24:42] Kim Monson: And they really don't have the money for that.
[24:45] Kim Monson: So they're actually cutting police and fire protection budgets in Denver.
[24:51] Kim Monson: And I tell you, what I'm seeing is moderate Democrats, conservatives, Republicans, unaffiliated libertarians across the board, people in Denver are really starting to pay attention.
[25:04] Kim Monson: And it's almost like they're doubling down at the statehouse as people are starting to say, wait a minute, this isn't what we really had in mind here.
[25:14] Nephi Cole: Yeah, I think you know a couple things there.
[25:19] Nephi Cole: A lot of these proposals, whether gun proposals or something else, these proposals that come at the national scale, these proposals are being pushed by entities in washington dc.
[25:31] Nephi Cole: To be frank, the most extreme members, the the progressive members of the of that caucus, are pushing these ideas.
[25:43] Nephi Cole: And the reason is because it actually doesn't matter.
[25:50] Nephi Cole: What these are are radical ideas that are meant to, that are waved around for political reasons.
[26:00] Nephi Cole: Their whole goal on this is actually not to stop crime.
[26:04] Nephi Cole: Their whole goal is, you know, what they really want to do is they want to get votes.
[26:10] Nephi Cole: And guns are just a tool, a metaphor, unfortunately, for a tool to harm conservative voters.
[26:22] Nephi Cole: Because if you are working on legislation with relation to guns and you're on that radical left fringe, most of the people that vote for you don't own guns.
[26:33] Nephi Cole: They don't have anything to do with it.
[26:34] Nephi Cole: And if you look at the solutions that they propose, the solutions that they propose never affect their constituency.
[26:42] Nephi Cole: The proposals that they propose always affect people who are average, middle of the road to right-leaning gun owners.
[26:56] Nephi Cole: They can gain popularity on their side, and they know no matter what happens, no matter what they pass, it's never going to be a negative to them.
[27:03] Nephi Cole: It's only going to be a political tool that you use to bludgeon your political opponent.
[27:09] Nephi Cole: And that's, you know, it's sad, but that's the status of the debate right now.
[27:15] Kim Monson: So last week we included, you'd sent over a list of representatives and senators for people to contact, and we have that in the summary, and we'll put that in again.
[27:27] Kim Monson: But apparently Jared Polis wants to run for higher office.
[27:32] Kim Monson: So that seems to me like the pressure point now that we need to, people are like, what can we do?
[27:39] Kim Monson: And his phone number is 303-866-2471.
[27:44] Kim Monson: And I called and left a message asking him to veto the concealed carry bill.
[27:49] Kim Monson: But it seems like that is the point, because my understanding in talking with legislators is: nothing really is coming out of these Democrats without his approval.
[28:00] Kim Monson: Now, he's trying to paint himself as a libertarian.
[28:03] Kim Monson: But there's nothing libertarian about any of this.
[28:06] Kim Monson: And so we need to hold him accountable for these particular firearms bills, which are an infringement.
[28:14] Kim Monson: Are you getting any contact with his office?
[28:19] Kim Monson: And do you agree that's maybe a pressure point?
[28:25] Nephi Cole: So we haven't had an opportunity to visit with him about this.
[28:29] Nephi Cole: We will be sending messages and letters to him asking for actions on these bills that we find problematic, asking for vetoes, if they do indeed or when they get to his desk.
[28:45] Nephi Cole: It is a test of leadership, as you've said.
[28:48] Nephi Cole: If you want to know what's really going on, you want to know if somebody's a good leader or not, ask yourself not, do they protect their faction?
[29:00] Nephi Cole: No, that's not the mark of a good leader.
[29:04] Nephi Cole: The mark of a good leader is can they see the other side's point of view?
[29:09] Nephi Cole: And that's going to be the big question mark here moving forward is, you know, are people willing to in Colorado?
[29:16] Nephi Cole: are the leaders of the party, the Democratic Party there, are they willing to let the fringes define the debate?
[29:23] Nephi Cole: Are they going to let the most radical determine what gets said, what gets passed, or are they going to insist on trying to find pragmatic solutions?
[29:33] Nephi Cole: And so that's what we're going to be watching.
[29:36] Nephi Cole: Please remember, everybody, reach out, but reach out in a respectful way.
[29:44] Nephi Cole: You know, we have there have been limited instances this year of people on social media and otherwise attacking victims of violent crimes verbally, making accusations about people's, you know, their reasons and their motives.
[30:03] Nephi Cole: It tends to make it tends to turn people off where you're trying to get to vote for you.
[30:09] Nephi Cole: So please remember to make those calls, but make them in a way that is respectful enough that you're not having the opposite effect that you want to.
[30:19] Nephi Cole: You know, it's frustrating for all of us because we are angry, but we can't respond angrily.
[30:25] Nephi Cole: And that's difficult, but it's where we are and it's what we have to do.
[30:28] Kim Monson: Well, and I think our word of the day, Nephi Cole, was magnanimous.
[30:34] Kim Monson: And so I think what you're saying is we need to be magnanimous when we are making our arguments on this, respectful.
[30:41] Kim Monson: The other thing that people need to remember is: I know how frustrated they can be when it appears that there are those that are being disrespectful to the public or not really caring.
[30:53] Kim Monson: And or just the other thing that I've seen is just kind of basically acting like they're listening, but they're not.
[31:01] Kim Monson: And I know that's frustrating, but what people need to remember is, many times you're not just speaking to those that are there on the dais, but all the people that are watching and helping to make a reasonable argument, for your point is very effective and helps other people get their voices as well.
[31:23] Kim Monson: So your point is well taken, Nephi Cole.
[31:29] Nephi Cole: You know, these are the tools we have, and we have to do everything we can within, you know, that regard.
[31:36] Nephi Cole: The last point I make for you and for everybody else is be part of an organization that makes a difference.
[31:43] Nephi Cole: So as you look at this year and then look at years coming forward, you know, there's, if you're not a member of the National Rifle Association, and I don't represent the National Rifle Association, the NRA, but be one.
[31:55] Nephi Cole: You know, I know that there's this tendency in the past, people were upset with some decisions of leadership and some problems that were going on over there.
[32:02] Nephi Cole: But if you've let your membership lapse, know that there's new leadership and that you need to weigh in over there as well and be part of organizations like that that represent you.
[32:17] Nephi Cole: because if you're not at the Capitol, if you're not working, if you don't have boots on the ground, it's very difficult to make stuff happen.
[32:26] Nephi Cole: And that's the type of entity, that entity, they're there.
[32:31] Nephi Cole: They're spending money on campaigns.
[32:33] Nephi Cole: They're spending effort trying to influence people.
[32:38] Nephi Cole: If you're a business, of course, NSSF, we represent companies.
[32:43] Nephi Cole: We are the Firearms Trade Association.
[32:45] Nephi Cole: So if you are a business that has any relation to the firearm space, please, you know, feel free to become a member of NSSF.
[32:53] Nephi Cole: But, you know, I'm an individual gun owner, and I look at those entities that represent individual gun owners and individual gun owner rights.
[33:07] Kim Monson: Well, Nephi, that's why I so appreciate your sponsorship of the show, because I'm an independent voice and we're in the battle of ideas on these issues.
[33:13] Kim Monson: And so I really appreciate the national.
[33:20] Kim Monson: Shooting Sports Foundation's sponsorship of the show, because we are in the battle every day, in this battle of ideas, and I thank you and I thank, thank you for all your work.
[33:31] Kim Monson: In some ways, this session cannot come to an end fast enough, but the other problem is is then they are putting in bureaucrats that can go out and take away our freedoms even when they're not in session.
[33:43] Kim Monson: So, Nephi Cole, thank you, we'll talk to you next week, Kim, thank you, bye.
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[35:40] Kim Monson: Welcome back to The Kim Monson Show.
[35:49] Kim Monson: We're going to talk about your essay that we will publish in this week's newsletter.
[35:54] Kim Monson: And if you're not signed up for the newsletter, you should do that.
[36:00] Kim Monson: Title is A Muted Speaker of the House is a House Destroyed.
[36:04] Kim Monson: First of all, this is from Eric on the text line.
[36:07] Kim Monson: He says, No, Alan, we Republicans don't fail.
[36:12] Kim Monson: And then maybe let's just re-explain this, and and maybe we did this, I don't see.
[36:18] Kim Monson: Jan asked Alan, what is the Overton window?
[36:22] Kim Monson: So let's re-explain that because that's so important.
[36:25] Allen Thomas: Yeah, so the Overton window is, when you think of policy, if you picture it on a kind of continuous scale, right there's the far extremes, and then there's where the Overton window actually sits, And the Overton window is a constantly shifting window between these two extremes.
[36:47] Allen Thomas: So, you know, if you take a poll of the country, it's where would most of the country generally fall in between.
[36:55] Allen Thomas: And the Overton window is really the safe zone for any politician to have a policy within.
[37:01] Allen Thomas: So if you're within the Overton window, you generally know you're going to get support from your constituents.
[37:07] Allen Thomas: If you try and go outside the Overton window, well, that's something that the public probably isn't ready for.
[37:12] Allen Thomas: So we'll use abortion as a pretty good litmus test for this, right?
[37:17] Allen Thomas: Because we've seen a lot of this happen on a lot of state policies is we've seen a lot of these full abortion ban policy implementations absolutely fail because for the most part, most of the country says that's too extreme.
[37:33] Allen Thomas: That's outside the Overton window where we've seen a lot of success is saying, OK, what if we say a heartbeat bill or 15 weeks or 24 weeks?
[37:42] Allen Thomas: Those seem to fall within the Overton window of we as a society generally say, OK, yeah, for the most part, we're we're OK with some sort of limitation on abortion, but not all the way.
[37:54] Allen Thomas: Whereas the upper edges of the Overton window seem to be right at late birth abortions, which is what we have here in Colorado.
[38:04] Allen Thomas: But that is where the Overton window sits, because we've been passing it and because politicians feel comfortable proposing it and then passing it.
[38:12] Allen Thomas: So this Overton window is and when we say shift the Overton window, you have to stay within it.
[38:17] Allen Thomas: But you try and pull that Overton window towards your side.
[38:21] Allen Thomas: And that's what we talk about with abortion is heartbeat bills seem to do that is we seem to say, OK, if we start at 24 weeks, what are we really protecting here?
[38:30] Allen Thomas: is the difference between 24 weeks and 40 weeks really that significant that we can't say, hey, by then, if you haven't made up your mind, why are you doing it so late?
[38:40] Allen Thomas: So that would shift the Overton window down.
[38:44] Allen Thomas: And that's why I would support any politician who says, hey, let's do a heartbeat bill because at least we are saving that many babies from heartbeat to 40 weeks.
[38:53] Allen Thomas: And we can shift the Overton window down and say, hey, this isn't compassionate.
[38:57] Allen Thomas: This isn't something that needs to be mainstream.
[39:03] Kim Monson: And another thing on that Overton window that I think that we should really talk about, and that is government funding of abortion or Planned Parenthood.
[39:13] Kim Monson: And so when I got on city council, one of the things that one of the first politicians said is money is fungible.
[39:18] Kim Monson: And I'm like, what does that mean exactly?
[39:21] Kim Monson: But they can say, for example, the government funding for Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood says this, isn't for abortions.
[39:29] Kim Monson: It is for their educational programs, if you will.
[39:31] Kim Monson: Now we're seeing their educational programs are pushing a whole transgender agenda in schools.
[39:39] Kim Monson: We need to stop funding these kinds of things with government money.
[39:41] Kim Monson: And that's going to start to make a difference as well.
[39:44] Allen Thomas: And you know, it brings up another good point about another Overton window that sits there.
[39:48] Allen Thomas: And that's the reliance that we have on government and what the proper role of government is.
[39:54] Allen Thomas: And right now we have a very progressive society.
[39:57] Allen Thomas: We have a society that says we believe the government should be doing a lot of these things.
[40:01] Allen Thomas: And we've been failing in that argument, in that persuasiveness to say, no, this isn't the proper role of government.
[40:08] Allen Thomas: This is a great opportunity for private charities and a private organization to fund.
[40:17] Allen Thomas: And we've really allowed progressives to take over this argument.
[40:20] Allen Thomas: And we've been really unwilling to push this Overton window slowly.
[40:26] Allen Thomas: Like I said at the beginning of the hour, we really want to just say, stop all of it, stop all of it now, as opposed to saying, hey, let's slowly start shifting it.
[40:33] Allen Thomas: And I fully support not funding, you know, most all of what the federal government spends its money on.
[40:39] Allen Thomas: I mean, it truly isn't the proper role of government.
[40:41] Allen Thomas: But that policy would fail on arrival because for the most part, the American people believe, yeah, I think the government should provide a safety net or they should be providing these programs.
[40:54] Allen Thomas: And that sounds like a good intention to have for the federal government.
[40:58] Allen Thomas: and we need to go back to principle one and say, hey, what is the proper role of government?
[41:05] Allen Thomas: And why can't we allow our neighbors, our friends, our local community to solve local issues and local charitable issues?
[41:13] Allen Thomas: And you as a private citizen need to donate to things that you want to be funded individually, not have your government take from other people and give to them.
[41:23] Kim Monson: Well, and then that moves us over into taxation.
[41:26] Kim Monson: And one of the headlines I was going to mention is Biden is going to let the Trump tax cuts expire.
[41:34] Kim Monson: And the other, and this is a whole other discussion, but this whole thing regarding nonprofits really stemmed out of the income tax amendment.
[41:44] Kim Monson: And we really need to get rid of income tax because then immediately there was, well, we need to have a loophole for charities.
[41:51] Kim Monson: Well, now we've got a loophole that they're driving a truck through regarding NGOs, nonprofits.
[41:59] Kim Monson: But let's let that be a different discussion because I'd like to get to your essay.
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[44:54] Kim Monson: Thank you to all of you who support us.
[44:56] Kim Monson: We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[45:02] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[45:05] Kim Monson: In studio with me is Allen Thomas, and his most recent essay, we'll publish it this weekend in the newsletter, is A Muted Speaker of the House is a House Destroyed.
[45:16] Kim Monson: And there were threats regarding a vote to vacate the Speaker of the House position again regarding Mike Johnson.
[45:28] Kim Monson: last week, and this was the discussion.
[45:32] Kim Monson: And there was frustration regarding the bill to funding of Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, without he had given apparently assurances that there would be something that would be done about the border.
[45:46] Kim Monson: But there's nothing done about the border.
[45:47] Kim Monson: So Marjorie Taylor Greene has been a very loud voice on this.
[45:51] Kim Monson: And so this, uh, this, prompted you to write this, this particular essay.
[45:57] Kim Monson: So what do you want people to know about this?
[46:00] Allen Thomas: Allen Thomas, well, I guess we'll have to give a good hook for the article right, because we probably won't have enough time to cover, cover all of it.
[46:06] Allen Thomas: But you know it, it started back with mccarthy.
[46:08] Allen Thomas: Really, in this just inability for republicans to come behind a single person, that one wanted to be speaker of the house, because there were definitely a lot of people that were, whose names were proposed, and then they said: I want nothing to do with this.
[46:24] Allen Thomas: And then two, somebody that all the Republicans would have to join behind, because of course the Democratic voting bloc united behind just one individual and said, well, we're just going to keep voting for the Democrat.
[46:35] Allen Thomas: We're not even going to look for Republicans.
[46:37] Allen Thomas: So what McCarthy did is he agreed to this rule that said, hey, you know, if even a single Republican disagrees with me, they can bring up a motion to vacate.
[46:46] Allen Thomas: And what that has led to now is it's bled into Speaker Johnson's tenure in this just constant threat of having to vacate.
[46:57] Allen Thomas: And it really made me sit back and say, you know, as you always ask me, what did the Federalist Papers have to say about this?
[47:03] Allen Thomas: What did our founders say about the Speaker of the House?
[47:07] Allen Thomas: You know, is this the proper role for the House to be involved in?
[47:12] Allen Thomas: And for that, you kind of have to set this up in two different ways.
[47:16] Allen Thomas: One, the House of Representatives is our most democratic of all the institutions in our government.
[47:23] Allen Thomas: It was the one institution that was supposed to be the most representative of we the people.
[47:31] Allen Thomas: It was supposed to ebb and flow and more accurately reflect the will of the people.
[47:35] Allen Thomas: That's why we elect them every two years as opposed to the Senate is six.
[47:39] Allen Thomas: The Senate was supposed to be the more long-term, lasting, guiding state protector of the legislative institution of our bicameral government, whereas the House of Representatives really was supposed to be the people's house.
[47:53] Allen Thomas: And when we first look at how the House of Representatives was set up, one thing that is very interesting is the role of Speaker of the House is very conspicuously absent from the Federalist Papers.
[48:07] Allen Thomas: And it should be somewhat unsurprising, though, right?
[48:11] Allen Thomas: I mean, we've talked about this progressive need for leaders and leadership and experts.
[48:15] Allen Thomas: And the one thing the colonists were absolutely terrified of, and again, why Washington's example of stepping away from the presidency was so amazing, is they were terrified of having another king.
[48:28] Allen Thomas: They were terrified of too much power being controlled by one person.
[48:32] Allen Thomas: So we shouldn't be surprised that they never really saw the Speaker of the House's role to be one of power and leadership.
[48:41] Allen Thomas: Initially, the first several Speakers of the House were seen more as a parliamentarian, more of a peacemaker, more of one that's actually serving the institution of the House and therefore serving the people of the United States, not serving the party or the caucus that they came from.
[48:58] Allen Thomas: In fact, it wasn't until like 1850 that the Speaker of the House had an absolute right to even vote on all these issues.
[49:08] Allen Thomas: And it's a fascinating little American trivia that you can have about the Speaker of the House, too.
[49:13] Allen Thomas: Technically, according to the Constitution, the Speaker of the House doesn't even have to be a representative.
[49:17] Allen Thomas: And I know this idea was floated back with McCarthy, whether Trump could come in and be Speaker.
[49:25] Allen Thomas: There is no requirement in the Constitution that it has to be from the House of Representatives.
[49:29] Allen Thomas: And again, this comes from the fact that this role was not seen as a power role.
[49:34] Allen Thomas: It was seen more as a parliamentarian role.
[49:37] Allen Thomas: But as America progressivized and as the parties divided more, it has become that more so.
[49:45] Allen Thomas: So that brings us back to the discussion of today.
[49:47] Allen Thomas: So what are we seeing now and why is this so dangerous for us to just be absolutely vacating, speaker after speaker after speaker?
[49:54] Allen Thomas: And one of the main issues is, is we're absolutely.
[50:00] Allen Thomas: bringing to a grinding halt one of the institutions of our government, but not in the right way.
[50:07] Allen Thomas: You know, our government was designed to be inefficient.
[50:09] Allen Thomas: We were designed to have issues passing legislation.
[50:14] Allen Thomas: That's why we have the checks and balances.
[50:16] Allen Thomas: There was supposed to be this sort of opposition within our government.
[50:21] Allen Thomas: But what we're seeing is our government was supposed to be allowed to govern.
[50:25] Allen Thomas: That was one of the main issues that the colonists had with Britain is they said, you're not even allowing us to govern ourselves.
[50:33] Allen Thomas: The judges, the issues we're facing, we need certain laws.
[50:41] Allen Thomas: But if we grind the House of Representatives down to an absolute halt again, because we just can't agree on what speaker is supposed to be there, well, we're not upholding the principles of our government either.
[50:55] Allen Thomas: And again, we're not doing it because we saw a lot of support for a lot of these funding bills.
[51:05] Allen Thomas: They passed with support from both parties.
[51:08] Allen Thomas: So obviously the will of the people, again, we want to talk Overton windows, all of the representatives who voted on these saw that these bills fit within the Overton windows of their constituencies.
[51:20] Allen Thomas: And therefore, as the people's house, it would be just, it would be right and proper for a parliamentarian, for a speaker to bring these bills forward if they support the will of the people and they should bring them up to the Senate.
[51:33] Allen Thomas: So there's, I hope that's a decent enough hook to kind of get this conversation started of, is this proper and is this right to just stop the House of Representatives from even operating?
[51:49] Allen Thomas: And it does not reflect the founding principles that we were founded upon.
[51:53] Kim Monson: Well, and Alan, my understanding is that, and this was, I think, a compromise regarding McCarthy with some of those in the Freedom Caucus, was that there was frustration that there was so much power with the Speaker of the House that representatives were not really able to represent perhaps what constituents wanted.
[52:18] Kim Monson: So one of the things is, and my understanding was, is that a whole bunch of this is around the border.
[52:25] Kim Monson: And it is the will of the people to do something about the border, our southern border.
[52:33] Kim Monson: And so I think a lot of people are like, oh, So you're willing to send all this money to actually print money to send over to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, which is creating inflation, borrowing from our kids and not doing anything about the border.
[52:48] Kim Monson: And so I think there's a frustration about that.
[52:52] Allen Thomas: So there's a lot to unpack there, you know, because a lot of the problems with the border we saw with Trump, the rules, the policies and the laws are in place to stop that.
[53:03] Allen Thomas: I believe a lot of the fault lies at the hand of Biden.
[53:07] Allen Thomas: He came in day one and said, I'm going to do things different.
[53:11] Allen Thomas: I'm going to do things the way I want to do them.
[53:14] Allen Thomas: And, you know, the money he's requested for the border is not to actually close the border.
[53:21] Allen Thomas: It's to just allow people to rubber stamp more immigrants in.
[53:23] Allen Thomas: You know, it's to grant these asylum seekers.
[53:27] Allen Thomas: So I have some hesitancy about what giving more money to the border would actually achieve.
[53:32] Allen Thomas: And I would argue that actually giving more money to the Biden administration would likely grow the bureaucratic state more.
[53:41] Allen Thomas: And it's a very difficult policy question because we can't just throw money to the border, right?
[53:48] Allen Thomas: Because if he's going to hire more federal agents who aren't going to protect the border like he's shown he's unwilling to do, we're just handing the federal government more money to do nothing, to not make the situation any worse.
[54:03] Allen Thomas: So there is some issues with border funding.
[54:07] Allen Thomas: But there can be two things that can be true at once as well, is there is a financial and a military interest in the aid that we are sending to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan.
[54:20] Allen Thomas: We do need to protect our border, and we also need to protect our foreign interests abroad.
[54:24] Allen Thomas: And Taiwan is a pretty good example of stemming the tide of what communist China is doing.
[54:30] Allen Thomas: There's lots of good shipping lanes that have very huge economic interests to American businesses that flow by Taiwan as well.
[54:38] Allen Thomas: So that is an American interest that if we can avoid sending our troops into harm's way there, or obviously in Israel, Israel is a very good Western proxy and essentially our punching bag for the Middle East, that we can keep our troops out of the Middle East and still protect American interests abroad.
[54:58] Allen Thomas: And again, Ukraine also falls into that category.
[55:04] Allen Thomas: And again, this is a caveated conversation.
[55:09] Allen Thomas: There's obviously a lot of issues with sending aid there.
[55:13] Allen Thomas: But on the flip side, having Russia march into Ukraine does not serve America's best interests as well.
[55:20] Allen Thomas: It doesn't serve the best interests of the European region as well.
[55:24] Allen Thomas: So these conversations can happen, but we do have to caveat it and say, hey, both things can be true at once.
[55:31] Allen Thomas: We can have an issue with our border and we can also have a lot of foreign interests that we need to make sure that we keep American troops out of.
[55:40] Allen Thomas: I would rather spend billions of dollars giving to an ally so they can conduct military operations than sending our troops in to conduct those military operations, especially when we're talking about the Middle East, especially when we're talking about, you know, the Red Sea and what Israel does to keep the Iranian terror groups at bay so that we don't have to send our troops into harm's way.
[56:06] Allen Thomas: But again, this comes back to what is a parliamentarian speaker supposed to be doing?
[56:12] Allen Thomas: And should we be threatening him with this vacating him just because of a very, very vocal minority?
[56:19] Allen Thomas: So there's a lot more to it, and hopefully you enjoy it.
[56:23] Kim Monson: And again, we'll be rolling that out this weekend.
[56:25] Kim Monson: Allen Thomas, you're going to stay for our number two, yes?
[56:27] Unknown: I am.
[56:28] Kim Monson: Okay, our quote for the end of the show is from Aristotle.
[56:30] Kim Monson: He said, you will never do anything in this world without courage.
[56:34] Kim Monson: It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
[56:37] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[58:34] Kim Monson: We've got a jam-packed show planned here.
[58:37] Kim Monson: Check out the website, and you'll be able to see we did the teaser for your essay, Allen Thomas, because we've got so much going on.
[58:46] Kim Monson: But this is such an important discussion.
[58:47] Kim Monson: And coming in on the text line, again, there's people pushing back this whole thing with Ukraine.
[58:56] Kim Monson: But my concern with Ukraine funding is and I just look at the players with Biden, Nancy Pelosi, all the, you know, being so cozy with Zelensky.
[59:13] Kim Monson: And so I struggle with all that, Alan.
[59:17] Allen Thomas: I mean, Ukraine has been corrupt for a long, long time.
[59:22] Allen Thomas: But again, does it serve America's best interests and the best interests of American businesses for Russia to take over Ukraine?
[59:30] Allen Thomas: And does it serve the best interests of the European Union and all of our allies there?
[59:38] Allen Thomas: There's no way that Russia taking over Ukraine is good.
[59:42] Allen Thomas: And of course, there need to be a lot of caveats.
[59:45] Allen Thomas: But the one thing that I do appreciate that they've done is a majority of the aid that we have given Ukraine has been military aid.
[59:52] Allen Thomas: And when you look at that differential between just pure financial aid and military aid, a large proponent of it has been military aid, which should show that this is truly what our interest is.
[60:05] Allen Thomas: It's the financial piece that starts to be like, well, where's that actually going?
[60:12] Allen Thomas: But again, the nice thing is the EU has stepped up.
[60:15] Allen Thomas: The European nations have given more than us, which is nice for once that the America is not the sole provider of aid for these things, which we shouldn't be.
[60:27] Kim Monson: He said, okay, guys, and this was coming in on the website or on the text line, which is 720- 605-0647.
[60:32] Kim Monson: Hey, you guys need to pay your fair share.
[60:35] Kim Monson: They always talk about fair share, how about that?
[60:39] Kim Monson: Maybe we'll get to some of these other things.
[60:45] Kim Monson: First of all, our word of the day is magnanimous, and that is spelled, let me get to it, M- A-G-N-I-M-O-U-S.
[60:56] Kim Monson: And I'm just going to go to the last definition, dictated by exhibiting nobleness of soul, honorable, noble, not selfish.
[61:05] Kim Monson: Many times people talk about George Washington as being very magnanimous, because he could have been king.
[61:12] Kim Monson: And he only served two terms as president.
[61:16] Kim Monson: He spelled that word M- A-G-N-A-N-I-M-O-U-S.
[61:21] Kim Monson: Quote of the day is check the Medal of Honor quote book.
[61:24] Kim Monson: Everyone should have this in their home.
[61:27] Kim Monson: And you can get that by going to AmericanValueCenter.
[61:32] Kim Monson: In fact, I don't think I mentioned today, but next Tuesday, I will be with Drew Dix, Henry Jones, Sparky Turner, all the people from the Center for American Values.
[61:43] Kim Monson: They're doing a big presentation up in Pinedale, Wyoming.
[61:47] Kim Monson: And so I'll be up there with them on that.
[61:53] Kim Monson: And let's see, a quote is from Edward R.
[61:57] Kim Monson: Showalter Jr., United States Army Medal of Honor.
[62:00] Kim Monson: It was actions he took on October 14, 1952.
[62:07] Kim Monson: And he said, we didn't break faith with those who had died.
[62:11] Kim Monson: And again, these are just remarkable, remarkable stories.
[62:15] Kim Monson: Our bill of the day is Senate Bill 24214, Prime Sponsor Senator Hansen, Representative Emma Bile, and Representative McCormick to implement state climate goals.
[62:28] Kim Monson: And it creates an office of sustainability in the Department of Personnel bureaucracy.
[62:34] Kim Monson: The Office of Sustainability is required, there's your force word, to work with state agencies and institutions of higher education to implement environmentally sustainable practices.
[62:47] Kim Monson: The powers, duties, and functions of the Office of Sustainability include, and then it is a long list.
[62:55] Kim Monson: And so that is our bill of the day.
[62:56] Kim Monson: I did want to get to this day in history.
[62:59] Kim Monson: There were one, two, three, I think six things I pulled.
[63:02] Kim Monson: 1777, Sybil Ludington, age 16, rides 40 miles in New York to warn her father's militia of the approach of the British.
[63:12] Kim Monson: 1931, Lou Gehrig hits a home run, but is called out for passing a runner.
[63:19] Kim Monson: The mistake costs him the American League home run crown and he and Babe Ruth tie for the season.
[63:26] Unknown: That or the guy in front of him just was jogging pretty slow.
[63:30] Unknown: You need to push him in front of him.
[63:32] Kim Monson: 1933, Jewish students are barred from school in Germany.
[63:40] Kim Monson: 1962, the first Lockheed A- 12flies.
[63:47] Kim Monson: Stanford quarterback John Elway is the first pick by the Baltimore Colts.
[63:52] Kim Monson: And he said, I don't want to go to Baltimore.
[63:57] Kim Monson: And in 1995, Coors Field opens in Denver.
[64:00] Kim Monson: The Rockies beat the Mets 11- 9in 14 innings.
[64:08] Kim Monson: And what that means is it's Jim May.
[64:15] Kim Monson: And if you want to treat yourself, LaVaca Meat Company is the place.
[64:22] Kim Monson: And they're doing some very exciting things.
[64:24] Kim Monson: They are starting to sell quarters and sides of beef, which is pretty exciting.
[64:35] Jim May: How are you guys doing?
[64:42] Jim May: Well, I'm out here at stratton and it's raining, cats and dogs.
[64:46] Jim May: So I'm here in my office and uh yeah, I'm uh.
[64:50] Jim May: I'm actually taking some cattle up to grass today.
[64:52] Jim May: I guess it's it's dry on the grass where I'm going, but it's it's soaking wet here.
[64:56] Kim Monson: So anyway, well, I've never heard of a farmer or rancher ever complain about rain.
[65:01] Jim May: Believe me, I'm not complaining at all.
[65:05] Jim May: No, it sounds really good up here on the roof.
[65:07] Jim May: Well yeah, so I'm uh, go ahead.
[65:11] Kim Monson: Well, I I was, I was going to say lavacami company is starting this, this new project, and that is where people can actually, uh, buy more than just an individual steak or whatever, but actually can get uh packages.
[65:27] Jim May: Yeah, so we're working into that.
[65:32] Jim May: Uh, with uh, you know we're, we're slowly working into that.
[65:36] Jim May: We're not in a big hurry to do it.
[65:37] Jim May: We're going to do it right like we've done everything else.
[65:38] Jim May: We're going to make sure everything's right.
[65:40] Jim May: I think we're, we're going to cancel the patties and go to regular just packages of hamburger in that program.
[65:44] Jim May: But we're, we are slowly doing the qt and making sure everything is perfect as we launch it.
[65:48] Jim May: Uh, should be in time for barbecue season coming up around the corner and I I want to uh urge alan to go down there and get one of those big, uh you know, tomahawk ribeyes.
[65:59] Jim May: He's a guy that could probably handle that.
[66:01] Kim Monson: I think he probably, I think you probably could.
[66:03] Allen Thomas: I've never shied away from a steak in my life.
[66:07] Kim Monson: So do you have a cowboy poem for us?
[66:11] Kim Monson: Because I have to tell you, people are really looking forward to this.
[66:16] Kim Monson: We need some levity with all that's going on in the world.
[66:19] Kim Monson: And so do you have a poem for us today?
[66:21] Jim May: You know, I'm getting down toward the end of my poetry that I know, and I've got it in my head.
[66:28] Jim May: You had suggested early on that I write something.
[66:30] Jim May: And you know what I did.
[66:27] Jim May: I wrote one, and I wrote it for that weekend that we missed when Parker got the two feet of snow.
[66:40] Jim May: And I wrote one about St.
[66:42] Jim May: Paddy's Day that, from my experience, is up at Kansas State, the Little Apple.
[66:46] Jim May: And it's called Fake Paddy Day at Kansas State.
[66:49] Jim May: Now, to set the poem up a little bit, if we've got a minute, both my kids went to K-State.
[66:58] Jim May: And I enjoyed immensely going to the ballgames and the fun up there and meeting lots of their friends and their people, and just a great time.
[67:05] Jim May: and I just wanted to say, you know, today what's going on on our university campuses, I mean, I worry about my grandkids so much that, man, don't go to an Ivy League school, please, guys, don't choose anything like that.
[67:19] Jim May: It's crazy what's going on.
[67:20] Jim May: I'm here to provide a little bit of sanity, a little bit of levity.
[67:24] Jim May: Kansas State is a wonderful campus, right there with flags on Main Street, up and down Fort Riley, the big red one, the Army base right around the corner there, about 10 miles away.
[67:35] Jim May: My son-in-law went there and he met my daughter there at Kansas State.
[67:41] Jim May: So it's got, I got a lot of love for this place.
[67:43] Jim May: This is about the fact that on St.
[67:46] Jim May: Patrick's Day, that weekend was spring break.
[67:49] Jim May: And they realized that, wow, if we all go on spring break, we're going to miss St.
[67:56] Jim May: So some genius up there decided that we would just have a fake St.
[67:59] Jim May: Patty's Day the week before.
[68:02] Jim May: And we attended that party a couple times with the kids and everybody wore green t-shirts and uh they they took all the taps and all the bars and everything and made the beer green and we just had a blast.
[68:15] Jim May: So this is this poem, if you're ready, for it is called thank face patty's day at kansas state.
[68:23] Jim May: There's a little apple in kansas.
[68:25] Jim May: Okay, okay, here we go.
[68:27] Jim May: There's a little apple in kansas, better known as k state.
[68:31] Jim May: Both our kids went there and I thought it was great: tailgate parties, football and basketball games.
[68:37] Jim May: So many good friends, I still know most of their names.
[68:40] Jim May: I've been all over Aggieville, the restaurants and bars.
[68:43] Jim May: I've met Willie, Bill Snyder, and college sports stars.
[68:46] Jim May: I've got so many memories, some good and some bad.
[68:50] Jim May: But it's easy to remember the best party they had.
[68:54] Jim May: Paddy's fell at the same time.
[68:56] Jim May: It's a shame to miss St.
[68:59] Jim May: I have a great idea, said some Kansas college kid.
[69:02] Jim May: We will just fake a holiday, and that is what they did.
[69:06] Jim May: We will dye all the beer green.
[69:07] Jim May: The weekend before, we will stock up on green T-shirts at the KSU store.
[69:12] Jim May: We'll eat green eggs and ham at Tubby's first thing, and the green beer will flow like an old Irish spray.
[69:20] Jim May: The bands will be playing an Irish love song.
[69:22] Jim May: You can polish your belt buckle all night long.
[69:25] Jim May: The sea of green T-shirts is a mass party indeed.
[69:28] Jim May: Must be hundreds of different slogans to read.
[69:30] Jim May: A man and his wife came from the opposite direction.
[69:34] Jim May: I think her shirt said she was Irish by injection.
[69:38] Jim May: So many funny T-shirts, it just cracked me up.
[69:42] Jim May: So I headed back to the bar to fill up my cup.
[69:46] Jim May: My wife and I did our best to rock the Irish green.
[69:49] Jim May: Her shirt said she was an Irish dancing machine.
[69:52] Jim May: My shirt had two wildcats and a big heart in the middle.
[69:56] Jim May: It said, kiss me, I'm a wildcat.
[69:58] Jim May: To me, it was just like a riddle.
[70:00] Jim May: I asked my beautiful wife.
[70:02] Jim May: We were eating corned beef and having the time of our life.
[70:05] Jim May: She said: look at those girls.
[70:06] Jim May: So I took a quick peek as they snuck up and landed a kiss on each cheek.
[70:11] Jim May: I guess I must have turned about three shades of red.
[70:15] Jim May: My wife laughed at me upside of the head.
[70:19] Jim May: Our whole table was laughing, but my only thought was that might be the best t-shirt that I ever bought.
[70:25] Jim May: See that old man over there?
[70:27] Jim May: What does his shirt say?
[70:29] Jim May: If CNN can fake the news, we can fake a holiday.
[70:35] Jim May: So I raised my green bear and said, here's the case, Dave.
[70:39] Jim May: It might be a week early, but your party is great.
[70:52] Kim Monson: I just love to be able to laugh as we move into the weekend.
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[73:27] Kim Monson: We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[73:36] Kim Monson: You should not have to force people to do it.
[73:38] Kim Monson: And Allen Thomas is in studio with me, and we gave a teaser regarding a muted speaker of the House is a House destroyed.
[73:45] Kim Monson: And I am getting a lot of comments regarding this whole Ukraine thing.
[73:52] Allen Thomas: I mean, this also is the point of American politics, is we do want to have these debates and these discussions.
[74:01] Allen Thomas: And, you know, as long as we're avoiding name calling, as long as we're talking about the issue.
[74:05] Allen Thomas: Of course, foreign policy is one of the most, you know, debated topics because any effect has an effect, right?
[74:13] Allen Thomas: If you do nothing, it's going to have an effect.
[74:16] Allen Thomas: You know, obviously Joe Biden has proved this out when you're not willing to show any force when you just say, Hey, Hey, don't do that.
[74:26] Allen Thomas: So there's always going to be an effect by what we do and what we do on the world stage.
[74:33] Allen Thomas: So, you know, just sitting back and saying we just want America to be America isn't necessarily protecting American business interests abroad either.
[74:40] Allen Thomas: And it's so difficult because you're you're involving non-Americans.
[74:48] Kim Monson: Well, and it's difficult for us to try to figure out what the truth is that we're getting as well.
[74:54] Kim Monson: So but we have on the line with us Rick Rome.
[74:56] Kim Monson: Yesterday was Liberty Toastmasters Day on the website or on the show.
[75:01] Kim Monson: And we were having some technical challenges, and he was getting to a great thought regarding capitalism, and we lost him.
[75:09] Kim Monson: So I said, how about come back on and let's talk about that again.
[75:13] Kim Monson: Rick Rome, fellow Liberty Toastmaster, welcome to the show.
[75:17] Rick Rome: Instead of a table topic, think of it as more of a Toastmaster monologue.
[75:22] Rick Rome: One of the things that I remember back in high school was civics class.
[75:28] Rick Rome: Lloyd, he was pretty fair about it.
[75:31] Rick Rome: And we all remember that bar graph, that line that shows going to the left is more of a socialist communist model and going to the right is more of a fascist dictator model.
[75:41] Rick Rome: It's more like a circle or a clock where those two ends come together at the six o'clockposition.
[75:44] Rick Rome: And there really is no distinction between hard communist principles, hard socialist principles and hard fascist principles.
[75:53] Rick Rome: It's just a matter of who's in control at that six o'clock position.
[75:56] Rick Rome: The crux of a capitalist society, it exists between that 10 o'clock and 2o'clock position on theclock or on the circle, where the vast majority of us want the same kinds of things.
[76:05] Rick Rome: To Alan's point, we can get along with each other if we can just find a way to be civil, and we really do have that capacity to do so.
[76:15] Rick Rome: The thing about a capitalist society, no system has ever done more to end poverty, and that's through food supplies, through controlling disease.
[76:24] Rick Rome: We've extended lifestyles or life cycles, lifetimes, and it's for a very simple reason: it's about dignity.
[76:31] Rick Rome: If you, there's a certain dignity in being able to work and keep what you you produce or provide for your family, if you're accepting the scraps and handouts from whichever system is at our six, what we're really doing is just accepting the fact that we're going to live in servitude to these power- hungry mongers.
[76:49] Rick Rome: There's awonderful relationship that I like to think about in terms of capitalism.
[76:57] Rick Rome: And it really started with innovations out of the Industrial Revolution, where we had the advent of harnessing power for the wheel with the textile industries, trying to mechanize a lot of the things that we do.
[77:10] Rick Rome: That eventually translated into steam turbines where we took heat and transferred it into heat steam engines, combustion.
[77:18] Rick Rome: That evolved into internal combustion engine, which we eventually cycled back into wind turbines and these similar types of technologies, that there really hasn't been a dramatic change in any of the technologies other than dramatic improvements in materials or process.
[77:34] Rick Rome: There's an analogy I like to think of that has to do with multimedia in the media industry.
[77:39] Rick Rome: There was an evolution from film to audio with the vinyl and vibratory and playing live music at films.
[77:47] Rick Rome: That eventually evolved into a magnetic tape, 8- tracks, cassettes, and wewere able to eventually compress it to a point where we could put all of it on a single VHS tape or a beta tape, and the big arguments about who was going to control that for the future.
[78:04] Rick Rome: That's where we're at in our industry, energy industry.
[78:07] Rick Rome: It's that moment before a transformation into something dramatically better, such as a digital media or such as a cold fusion process, or such as harnessing momentum as opposed to harnessing gravity and energy.
[78:37] Kim Monson: If we just get out of the way of the innovators, we get out of the way of the capitalists and stop subsidizing for a future that will never happen, we have that opportunity to expand our potential because energy and power really is the nature of our capitalist society.
[78:38] Kim Monson: You said, get out of the way of capitalists, because I've always thought capitalists in the pure sense is a good thing.
[78:50] Kim Monson: So just explain that a little bit more, Rick.
[78:53] Rick Rome: So, I'm going to go back to Adolf Hitler as an example.
[78:59] Rick Rome: The Volkswagen bug, Hitler's revenge.
[79:01] Rick Rome: What they did with that system was they did the public- private partnership, where theparty would go ahead and collect monies in advance of delivering a vehicle to people who were eligible party members.
[79:14] Rick Rome: And the idea being that they could control the process on who was able to be mobile, who was able to participate in the society in a more full and meaningful way.
[79:22] Rick Rome: Conversely, the Henry Ford model was to go ahead and establish his supply lines, empower people so that he could provide and produce a product that the vast majority of people could afford and increase the mobility through their own innovation, through their own process of delivering a price for a value.
[79:47] Kim Monson: So I would say that Henry Ford and the Adolf Hitler model was cronyism.
[79:55] Kim Monson: And that is one of the things, you know, Alan and I talk about it.
[79:59] Kim Monson: We all talk about it on a regular basis is the narrative.
[80:02] Kim Monson: And our young people are being told that capitalism is bad.
[80:07] Kim Monson: But what they're really looking at is what's called cronyism.
[80:11] Kim Monson: And you mentioned this public- private partnership thing.
[80:15] Kim Monson: Andwhen I was on city council, I heard they call them PPPs and how beneficial this was.
[80:19] Kim Monson: And what I finally realized is public- private partnerships is reallyjust another name for cronyism.
[80:27] Kim Monson: And that is where government is choosing winners and losers.
[80:31] Kim Monson: They choose who that private partnership is.
[80:33] Kim Monson: And many times the way the deals are structured is the private entity may be building something.
[80:40] Kim Monson: Many times they're trying to get around Tabor to do some of the Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights.
[80:47] Kim Monson: So they're getting the contracts to do whatever.
[80:50] Kim Monson: But the risk ultimately is held with the public, the everyday people, is what I've seen with public- private partnerships.
[81:00] Rick Rome: And there'salways a promise for more jobs, more income, more revenue that never realizes.
[81:06] Rick Rome: It's always less than what they claim it's going to be.
[81:10] Rick Rome: I've been involved in those as well.
[81:12] Rick Rome: as a civil engineer, and it is heartbreaking every time it happens.
[81:17] Kim Monson: So we must engage in this narrative, which is what we were doing with Toastmasters yesterday, regarding capitalism and explaining what kids are being taught that they think that they don't like is actually cronyism, because big government, big business like each other, and they like to use the power of government then to pick winners and losers.
[81:47] Allen Thomas: Well, and the irony is a lot of times what we're seeing is almost the textbook definition of fascism.
[81:52] Allen Thomas: And that's what progressivism actually believes in is the governmental control over the private production of goods and services.
[82:00] Allen Thomas: And when you have a large bureaucratic state that regulates what private businesses can do, you're getting awful close to that fascism side of that circle that Rick was talking about so well.
[82:15] Allen Thomas: Cronyism is very, very close to becoming fascist.
[82:19] Allen Thomas: And the irony is that's the term that's being lobbed towards these laissez- faire capitalists.
[82:26] Kim Monson: Rick Rome, thank you for coming back on Because I wanted to get your complete thoughts on all this Your final thought that you'd like to leave with our listeners Well, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity here, Kim Because sometimes you just don't want to see what's inside my head You know, but these discussions are so important And I do really appreciate it So that's Rick Rome, fellow Liberty Toastmaster And Liberty Toastmasters The Denver Group meets the first and third Saturdays of each month at the Independence Institute.
[82:58] Kim Monson: The Liberty North meets in Longmont, the 2nd and 4th.
[83:01] Kim Monson: You can get more information by going to liberty.
[83:07] Kim Monson: Or you can just put in Toastmasters and then look for Liberty Toastmasters.
[83:13] Kim Monson: And actually, yesterday, Rick, I went online to testify against...
[83:20] Kim Monson: this elections bill, Senate Bill 24210, and two of our fellow Liberty Toastmasters were also testifying, and that was Marla Fernandez and Bennett Rutledge.
[83:33] Kim Monson: And I thought, here we are trying to find our voices, and you only have two to three minutes, and that's why this whole table topics thing is such an important thing to do.
[83:43] Rick Rome: It's an incredible skill and an incredible opportunity.
[83:47] Kim Monson: USMC Memorial Foundation has a golf tournament May 16th.
[83:53] Kim Monson: They're doing this with the NFL alumni.
[83:56] Kim Monson: This is their first golf tournament.
[83:58] Kim Monson: Paula Sarlls said, I've never done a golf tournament before, but she's always doing a first on many things.
[84:05] Kim Monson: for her 75th birthday last month, she decided to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
[84:15] Kim Monson: But she did that three times for her birthday in honor of the Iwo Jima veterans at Cooper's Troopers.
[84:22] Kim Monson: So go over to USMC Memorial Foundation to get more information.
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[86:12] Kim Monson: It is Friday and welcome back to The Kim Monson Show.
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[86:25] Kim Monson: We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[86:32] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[86:35] Kim Monson: Allen Thomas is in studio, and on the line with us is Jody Heiss.
[86:41] Kim Monson: He's a former congressman from Georgia, and his most recent book is Sacred, Election Integrity and the Will of the People.
[86:49] Kim Monson: Congressman Heiss, welcome to the show.
[86:52] Jody Hice: Well, it's an honor to be with you.
[86:55] Kim Monson: Well, this is such an important subject.
[86:58] Kim Monson: And out here in Colorado, Congressman Heiss, we have what I consider legalized election manipulation.
[87:08] Kim Monson: We have mail-out ballots, and we're sending them all over the state at significant expense, not cleaning up our voter rolls, and we can't audit our elections in Colorado.
[87:19] Kim Monson: And so I'm very concerned about what's happening right here in Colorado.
[87:23] Kim Monson: You're looking at it at a national level.
[87:26] Kim Monson: Where do you want to start with our listeners?
[87:28] Jody Hice: Listen, you have every reason in the world to be concerned.
[87:33] Jody Hice: And unfortunately, Colorado is not the only state that has done things like that.
[87:38] Jody Hice: Oregon, the only possible way to vote is by mail-in ballot.
[87:42] Jody Hice: And, yeah, listen, we have to start with clean voter files.
[87:47] Jody Hice: I mean, if we are between 10 and 20 percent, which many say is the average inaccuracy for most states, if we're starting the election process with 20 to 10 to 20 percent inaccurate files, then how in the world can we have an accurate outcome?
[88:05] Jody Hice: There's so many common sense issues that need to be dealt with.
[88:09] Jody Hice: But listen, there's a lot that we can discuss.
[88:12] Jody Hice: I'll just kind of let you drive the train here with whichever direction you want to go.
[88:17] Kim Monson: Well, I actually, I testified remotely.
[88:23] Kim Monson: There was one of the volunteer job that I have is the president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers.
[88:28] Kim Monson: And it's an all-volunteer group that since 1976, they've been taking a look at legislation here in Colorado and taking positions on it, recommending yes, no votes or do not rate.
[88:40] Kim Monson: And I was going through the legislation scheduled for hearing for this week, last Saturday morning, and this was one that snuck through.
[88:52] Kim Monson: And it was modifying our elections.
[88:55] Kim Monson: And quite frankly, Congressman Heiss, I sense real danger with that bill.
[89:03] Kim Monson: It is changing it so that 15-year-olds can be pre-registered to vote in Colorado, which that's creating ballots when they turn 18, going out to the address that they had registered with.
[89:18] Kim Monson: And what I'm concerned about is all of these bloated ballots.
[89:26] Jody Hice: Look, let me just tell you where all this got started for me.
[89:30] Jody Hice: I didn't go to Congress with election integrity on my radar, to be very honest with you.
[89:36] Jody Hice: I ended up being a senior member on the House Oversight Committee.
[89:40] Jody Hice: And when COVID first hit the United States, in fact, literally, we had our first case in the United States.
[89:48] Jody Hice: The very next week, we were having hearings in the Oversight Committee, Democrat-led, on the need to have a federal takeover, in essence, of our election processes.
[89:58] Jody Hice: And that started one hearing after another, after another, after another.
[90:02] Jody Hice: And they started proposing some of the most outrageous things, issues that never would have been accepted in state legislatures.
[90:11] Jody Hice: But COVID became the excuse to springboard all sorts of horrible election changes.
[90:18] Jody Hice: And what you're describing is yet another example of this.
[90:23] Jody Hice: Look, it was Jimmy Carter and James Baker back in 2005 with their Blue Ribbon Commission.
[90:31] Jody Hice: They themselves, Democrats, who came out stating that mail-in ballots was a ripe environment for fraud, for fraudulent activity.
[90:42] Jody Hice: Those were their words, Democrats.
[90:44] Jody Hice: It was not long ago both sides of the aisle understood mail-in ballots and a host of things that we are now doing are horrible ideas for election integrity.
[90:56] Jody Hice: But as I said, COVID became the excuse while everybody else was concerned what COVID might mean for their families and health-wise.
[91:05] Jody Hice: The Democrats were pushing for election reform.
[91:08] Jody Hice: And unfortunately, they had many states, be it governors or secretary of states, who unilaterally, in many instances, totally bypassed the state legislatures to put forth all sorts of horrible changes in elections.
[91:24] Jody Hice: And now we are reaping the consequences in many states across the country.
[91:29] Kim Monson: So, Congressman Heiss, what can we do?
[91:33] Jody Hice: Well, there are a lot of things that can be done.
[91:35] Jody Hice: Unfortunately, there are dozens of states whose legislatures have made some tremendous strides in protecting the integrity of our elections.
[91:46] Jody Hice: Unfortunately, there are many states that have not, yours being one of them.
[91:52] Jody Hice: So it comes down to, look, elections are not about who wins or who loses.
[91:59] Jody Hice: Ultimately, elections are only and solely about the voice and the will of the people.
[92:05] Jody Hice: being accurately heard and accurately counted.
[92:08] Jody Hice: That is the issue, and that is something both sides of the aisle must protect.
[92:15] Jody Hice: We are a country of the consent of the governed, not consent of the governing.
[92:20] Jody Hice: And so we, the people, have to continue in states like Colorado, continue making your voices heard and demand from your legislatures that it is their duty.
[92:31] Jody Hice: This is a sacred trust, elections are, is their duty to make sure that the voice and the will of the people is accurately heard.
[92:39] Jody Hice: And we've got to continue applying that pressure and that realization.
[92:44] Jody Hice: And eventually, the voice of the people will be heard, even in states like Colorado.
[92:50] Kim Monson: I'm going to, Allen Thomas, do you want to jump in here with your thoughts on this?
[92:55] Allen Thomas: And, you know, that's another way to get over the fraud is to get out and be heard, right?
[92:59] Allen Thomas: It's not sitting at home saying, oh, well, my vote doesn't matter.
[93:05] Allen Thomas: It's going out there and saying, you know what, I'm going to make sure that my vote does count and that the fraud will be– if there is fraud and it's at a massive scale, it only gets seen more when more people show up to vote.
[93:18] Allen Thomas: So don't sit at home thinking this is all a hopeless scenario, right?
[93:27] Jody Hice: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.
[93:30] Jody Hice: The more boots on the ground, the more eyes that are present, the less likely of shenanigans taking place.
[93:36] Jody Hice: And, you know, I think nationally this was not an issue that was on our national radar either.
[93:42] Jody Hice: It certainly wasn't on mine, but I don't think it was on our country until after COVID.
[93:48] Jody Hice: And we saw the disasters that resulted after so many changes took place.
[93:52] Jody Hice: But now it is one of, and it should be, one of the most important issues on the hearts and minds of the American people.
[93:59] Jody Hice: And with that, I think there is going to be a lot of people who are looking, who are watching, who are present, who are poll watchers, who are working in a variety of different ways to make sure that our elections are held in the utmost of integrity and fairness.
[94:15] Kim Monson: Well, and so what you've said is that our elections should be a voice of the people.
[94:25] Kim Monson: And I really think this big, broad middle of America, and that's moderate Democrats and Republicans and conservatives and unaffiliated and libertarians.
[94:34] Kim Monson: You know, ultimately, I think we do believe in this American idea of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
[94:44] Kim Monson: But what happens when we start to have kind of this messing around with our elections is it dilutes or it shuts down our voices?
[94:53] Kim Monson: And so there are people that we've taken for granted, the freedom that we have and these beautiful lives that we have, and the blessings of freedom.
[95:02] Kim Monson: But everyday people, I think, are starting to realize that that is really in danger.
[95:08] Kim Monson: And so when I say to people that we don't have clean voter rolls here in Colorado and that we cannot audit our elections, they can't believe it.
[95:19] Kim Monson: And so I think that we need to get people involved to demand, with our county clerks and our secretary of state, that these voter rolls get cleaned up.
[95:30] Kim Monson: I think that's something that we must demand, Congressman Heiss.
[95:38] Jody Hice: I mean, that is the beginning, right?
[95:39] Jody Hice: The beginning is making sure who is a legally registered voter in every precinct.
[95:49] Jody Hice: And again, people on both sides of the aisle agree with this is photo ID so that when you come to vote, that you give proof that you are who you say you are and that you're legally registered to vote in that particular precinct.
[96:03] Jody Hice: these are just basic common sense measures.
[96:06] Jody Hice: Of course, every state is by the Constitution, the time, place and manners of elections are left to the states.
[96:14] Jody Hice: So every state is different in the way they operate elections.
[96:17] Jody Hice: But ultimately, the people have the final voice.
[96:21] Jody Hice: And so you are exactly right to continue putting pressure on the elected officials in the be it the county, the state, whoever is overseeing the election processes, and just continue to put pressure on them that the sacredness of our elections cannot be compromised.
[96:40] Jody Hice: If they are, we no longer will be a country that is directed by the will of the people, but it will be directed by a bunch of elites who are governing us rather than us providing consent for those who are going to be producing laws and legislation in our behalf.
[96:59] Kim Monson: Well, we're going to continue the conversation.
[97:02] Kim Monson: We're talking with former Georgia Congressman Jody Heiss, and his book is sacred election integrity and the will of the people.
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[100:49] Kim Monson: We are seeing down at the Colorado State Legislature all of these different firearm bills that are unconstitutional, but they are flooding the zone here.
[100:59] Kim Monson: We have just about a week left, Allen Thomas, and in some ways it can't come fast enough.
[101:02] Kim Monson: But then they are putting in place bureaucrats that can do all this evil stuff.
[101:07] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Congressman, a former Georgia congressman, Jody Heiss.
[101:12] Kim Monson: His most recent book is Sacred, Election Integrity and the Will of the People.
[101:18] Kim Monson: And Congressman Heiss, what I've seen, and you mentioned that, so you were in Congress during COVID, correct?
[101:28] Kim Monson: Is what I have realized is the radical activists, extremists that have taken over the Democrat Party, this is not the Democrat Party of JFK, they are playing long ball and they're playing long ball on these elections.
[101:41] Kim Monson: And it was almost at warp speed the way they were kind of taking over or manipulating elections in some of these key states.
[101:52] Kim Monson: And so you said you were all of a sudden seeing all of these bills.
[101:57] Kim Monson: There was something to me, it seems like, that was planned.
[102:03] Jody Hice: Of course, I wasn't behind the scenes with all of that.
[102:08] Jody Hice: And I did not obviously have a crystal ball to know what was going to happen.
[102:12] Jody Hice: At that point, all of us, the whole country was wondering, what is COVID going to mean?
[102:17] Jody Hice: At that point, there were no lockdowns, no mandates, no masks, no vaccine, all that sort of stuff.
[102:23] Jody Hice: It was just we had our first case and people were talking about it.
[102:27] Jody Hice: And the news were reporting as to what this might mean.
[102:30] Jody Hice: That's what the country was thinking about.
[102:34] Jody Hice: But I can tell you in oversight committee, immediately, They started these hearings about changing our election laws.
[102:41] Jody Hice: And, yes, that raised a red flag with me and a deep concern with what's going on here.
[102:49] Jody Hice: I wish I knew then what I knew now in terms of all the transformation that would take place with our election processes across the country.
[102:58] Jody Hice: But at that point, you know, I smelled a rat.
[103:03] Jody Hice: There were many of us started pushing back on all of this.
[103:07] Jody Hice: But at least from the Georgia delegation, I became the leader in this issue, kind of the tip of the spear on this issue.
[103:17] Jody Hice: But I wish I knew where this was all going to take us.
[103:21] Jody Hice: But it appeared to me, whether or not it was, it certainly gave the appearance that it was a coordinated effort.
[103:28] Jody Hice: The voice of the Democratic Party was unified.
[103:31] Jody Hice: they were all out in pushing the need for election reform.
[103:38] Jody Hice: And I found that to be exceedingly strange at the time and concerning.
[103:45] Jody Hice: And sure enough, there was good reason for that concern.
[103:48] Kim Monson: Well, and Congressman Heiss out here in Colorado, we had Republicans that were complicit in this as well.
[103:55] Kim Monson: And in fact, a woman that was the Republican candidate for Secretary of State, I haven't checked recently, but she sat on the board of a non-profit.
[104:09] Kim Monson: So that meant that Mark Zuckerberg got a tax write-off for contributing to this non-profit, the Center for Tech and Civic Life, and it was well over$ 400 million.
[104:18] Kim Monson: That then that uh, that non-profit was very involved in um, aiding some of these key battleground uh communities with their elections.
[104:35] Kim Monson: She was the republican candidate for secretary of state and she sits on that board.
[104:46] Kim Monson: That seems like a real problem to me.
[104:47] Kim Monson: Her explanation was, well, we need to have a seat at the table.
[104:51] Kim Monson: And that's why she was on this board.
[104:53] Kim Monson: But that board really, from what I can see, accepted a bunch of money.
[104:57] Kim Monson: And Zuckerberg was no friend, I don't think, of free, fair, honest, and transparent elections.
[105:04] Jody Hice: And that's why many, many states have slammed the door on Zuckerbucks being spent in their states because it was a one-sided effort to win elections for the Democrats.
[105:20] Jody Hice: And that's where those monies predominantly went.
[105:22] Jody Hice: And so a lot of states have slammed that door.
[105:26] Jody Hice: But your observations were clear.
[105:30] Jody Hice: I think your gut feelings were correct.
[105:34] Jody Hice: And, you know, Again, this is what we need to be talking about and keeping shining the light on these type of things so that people become aware and people start demanding changes.
[105:46] Jody Hice: And I think that's where it all, at the end of the day, is going to happen- is when the people start demanding free and fair elections.
[105:54] Kim Monson: Well, and here in Colorado, this came in and I thought we were going to have some callers and they both dropped off regarding election integrity.
[106:03] Kim Monson: This was from one of our listeners who said: um, when, when I was able to vote at 18 or 20 in colorado, we had to show driver's licenses and give social security numbers, and this has changed, and I had referenced this senate bill 24: 210 that I testified against yesterday and within the uh that bill, the way that they're trying to assure that people are citizens, is you answer a questionnaire that you say: yes, I am a citizen of the United States.
[106:34] Kim Monson: There's nothing in there about ID, Congressman Heiss.
[106:37] Jody Hice: Yeah, and we're seeing that in many states where they ask a question, but then there's no opportunity, in fact, is frequently prohibited to give proof of citizenship.
[106:50] Jody Hice: So someone can say anything they want to say, but there's no verification of it.
[106:55] Jody Hice: Again, that does nothing to secure honest elections.
[107:01] Jody Hice: The question is, why would anyone not want to have voters prove their legal status to vote?
[107:10] Jody Hice: I can only think of there being nefarious reasons.
[107:15] Jody Hice: everyone should want to have fair elections, but those who are pushing for open doors for potential illegal voters to cast a vote, why would they be wanting that unless they don't want a fair election?
[107:33] Jody Hice: And this is the type of thing that just concerns so many people, and well it should.
[107:39] Jody Hice: We have to come down to both sides of the aisle agreeing that the voice of the people is what elections are all about, and that's what we have to protect.
[107:49] Jody Hice: That's what we have to make sure is heard.
[107:52] Jody Hice: And I'll tell you, Kim, if we lose this, then where do we go from there?
[107:59] Jody Hice: I may be disappointed if my candidate loses in an election, but if it was a fair election, I can come back two years from now and try to persuade people in my area to change their vote or whatever next time.
[108:13] Jody Hice: But if the election was not fair, if it was compromised, then what can we the people do?
[108:22] Jody Hice: I mean, at that point, it's all lost.
[108:25] Jody Hice: And it is for that reason, this issue ranks among the top of concerns for the American people in poll after poll, because they understand this is the primary area.
[108:39] Jody Hice: This is the epicenter of the American people having the ability to be a self-governing people.
[108:46] Jody Hice: And if this is lost, if this is compromised, our capacity to self-govern and self-direct our local, state, and federal direction is taken away from us.
[108:57] Jody Hice: And we just can't allow that to happen.
[109:00] Kim Monson: So, Alan, you had the question during break.
[109:07] Allen Thomas: Where's the light at the end of the tunnel?
[109:08] Allen Thomas: What state is the gold standard for election integrity that we can look to and say, let's become more like that?
[109:18] Jody Hice: Well, listen, Florida has done a great job.
[109:21] Jody Hice: There are dozens of states that have passed a variety of different things that are excellent in moving towards election integrity.
[109:32] Jody Hice: And so, you know, as I mentioned earlier, every state is different.
[109:35] Jody Hice: So there's good and bad all around, I suppose.
[109:38] Jody Hice: But there are states that are doing some good things.
[109:43] Jody Hice: I think when states start the actions like they have done over the last couple of years.
[109:49] Jody Hice: It raises both the awareness of the issue nationally, but it also raises for states like Colorado and the people who live there, who want their state to be as fair as the other state over there, who has made changes and efforts to protect elections.
[110:08] Jody Hice: So it does add pressure to states that are not taking action on this issue.
[110:16] Jody Hice: When other states take action, it puts pressure on those states that do not take action.
[110:22] Jody Hice: And so that's why it is going to continue to take the voice of the people, putting pressure on their elected officials to duplicate or ditto, in whatever shape, form or fashion, what other states are doing.
[110:33] Jody Hice: And so with that, to me, there is hope.
[110:36] Jody Hice: I see a movement, literally a movement, across the country taking place for people wanting and thereby demanding fair elections.
[110:46] Jody Hice: And I don't think this movement is going to go away.
[110:49] Jody Hice: And that says to me that we're moving in the right direction.
[110:55] Kim Monson: Congressman Heiss is on the line with us.
[111:00] Kim Monson: Carol, you had a website you wanted to share with people?
[111:01] Carol (Caller): Yes, it's called millionvoices.
[111:07] Carol (Caller): org.
[111:09] Carol (Caller): And this man has set up this website, and you can go to your state, and you can talk to your county officials and make sure that the voting machines, in particular, if they are secure, because there are vulnerabilities in some of these software systems.
[111:30] Carol (Caller): And so you would call whoever is over that and ask them if they are secure to check that kind of thing.
[111:39] Carol (Caller): But then there might be other things, too.
[111:41] Carol (Caller): I haven't looked at the website very well, but you can sign up and there's other things it says you can do.
[111:49] Carol (Caller): It's a good resource.
[111:56] Kim Monson: Allen Thomas, thanks for being here.
[111:58] Kim Monson: And Congressman Heiss, thank you so much.
[112:00] Kim Monson: And that is such an important book.
[112:04] Kim Monson: Sacred Election Integrity and the Will of the People.
[112:07] Kim Monson: I really appreciate all the work that you're doing.
[112:16] Kim Monson: Our quote for the end of the show is from Aristotle.
[112:17] Kim Monson: He said, you will never do anything in this world without courage.
[112:20] Kim Monson: It is the greatest quality of mind next to honor.
[112:24] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice and the American way.
[112:35] Kim Monson: God bless you and God bless America.
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