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[01:16] Kim Monson: And we are going to be in the second hour, you and Producer Luke.
[01:21] Kim Monson: We'll be continuing our book review of The Communist Manifesto.
[01:26] Kim Monson: And it's a little book, but there's a lot of stuff in there, Producer Joe.
[01:30] Kim Monson: And you selected this for us to do the book review.
[01:34] Producer Joe: Yeah, it's been mentioned a lot in the media lately, and I thought, why not try and read it and understand what they're talking about?
[01:46] Kim Monson: So that's what's going to happen in the second hour.
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[01:52] Kim Monson: We had our second town hall on Tuesday night with Harry Howry.
[01:57] Kim Monson: He is the chairman of Unite for Freedom, also one of the co-founders.
[02:02] Kim Monson: And we talked about the integrity of our elections.
[02:08] Kim Monson: And so thank you to Harry Howry for that.
[02:10] Kim Monson: And we are going through our class with Allen Thomas on the Federalist Papers.
[02:16] Kim Monson: We're supposed to have that class this evening, but Alan has something that has come up with his family.
[02:21] Kim Monson: And so we're not going to meet this evening regarding the Federalist Papers.
[02:27] Kim Monson: to everyone, but I wanted to make sure that you knew that.
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[02:38] Kim Monson: As you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[02:45] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[02:48] Kim Monson: And it's not compassionate and it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff.
[02:57] Kim Monson: But it could be their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhood, or lives via force.
[03:03] Kim Monson: And force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable, an excessive taxation,
[03:08] Kim Monson: Fees, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, legislation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and globalist elites.
[03:16] Kim Monson: And you see this playing out with the United Nations, but all the way to special district levels as well.
[03:23] Kim Monson: Remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to implement it.
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[04:01] Kim Monson: And let's see, we've got something very special going on today, and that is Liberty Toastmasters Day.
[04:08] Kim Monson: And in studio with me is the former president of Liberty Toastmasters North, Cathy Russell.
[04:15] Kim Monson: And you brought the incoming president with you as well.
[04:30] Kim Monson: It's great to have you here as well.
[04:32] Kim Monson: Is this your inaugural time on radio, Francis?
[04:39] Kim Monson: And so we'll focus on table topics with our, excuse me,
[04:44] Kim Monson: with our fellow Toastmasters here in just a little bit.
[04:48] Kim Monson: Our word of the day, I went with what's happening in Major League Baseball with this whole pride thing that apparently Major League Baseball is embracing the religion of pride and apparently there's some Christian baseball players that have said, okay, I'm going to put some scripture on this hat that you're making me wear.
[05:14] Kim Monson: And they are being penalized for doing so.
[05:18] Kim Monson: And somebody had said, regarding America and this idea that all men are created equal with these rights of God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, it's not the pursuit of hedonism.
[05:31] Kim Monson: And I thought, what is the word hedonism?
[05:33] Kim Monson: And it's the pursuit or devotion to pleasure, especially to the pleasures of the senses, or the ethical doctrine holding that only what is pleasant or has pleasant consequences is intrinsically good.
[05:48] Kim Monson: And so it's basically, I think, very self-focused.
[05:54] Kim Monson: And it says the doctrine holding that behavior is motivated by the desire for pleasure and the avoidance of pain.
[06:02] Kim Monson: And I actually think the pursuit of happiness is something much bigger than that.
[06:06] Kim Monson: But in America, we are supposed to have freedom of religion.
[06:11] Kim Monson: Government is not to be telling us to have a specific belief system.
[06:15] Kim Monson: And when you have a business, Major League Baseball, that's saying that you have to affirm something that you don't believe in, that seems like that that's a real problem.
[06:28] Kim Monson: And to penalize those that are pushing back on that,
[06:32] Kim Monson: This is actually getting to, I think, religious persecution.
[06:36] Kim Monson: Joe, do you think that's too big a step there?
[06:45] Kim Monson: And so this is really, really pretty crazy what's going on.
[06:48] Kim Monson: So that's why I chose the word hedonism.
[06:53] Kim Monson: Tolkien for our quote of the day, and he said, and you know, J.R.R.
[07:01] Kim Monson: They studied at Oxford, and they were part of the Inklings, which was a group that got together on a regular basis to talk about what they were writing about.
[07:11] Kim Monson: Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings.
[07:14] Kim Monson: He said this, he said, the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus means that one day everything sad will come untrue.
[07:22] Kim Monson: And I had something very sad that happened yesterday.
[07:25] Kim Monson: I got word that a family pet within our family, a rural area, was hit by a car and did not survive.
[07:42] Kim Monson: And every time I would arrive, I would think that he would need probably a pet chiropractor because his gyrations of being so excited to see me was just marvelous.
[07:56] Kim Monson: I think the good Lord gives us these pets in our lives that just bring tremendous joy.
[08:01] Kim Monson: And I've really been, Kathy, I've really been grieving this.
[08:10] Kim Monson: It really hurts when something happens.
[08:12] Kim Monson: And so this was a bit of a surprise.
[08:20] Kim Monson: But I think that the main thing that I really had wanted to mention is this is very troubling, this whole pride thing that's going on where this affirmation, if you don't affirm this pride that has moved to a point
[08:37] Kim Monson: that is it's just totally hedonistic and if you don't affirm this then you are actually penalized Kathy I don't know what do you think about this oh it's very complex I mean number one pride isn't that one of the deadly sins it is yeah yeah um so there's that challenge and
[09:00] Cathy Russell: You know, part of me wants to have everybody be happy, but this pursuit of happiness is so important that it's the pursuit of virtue and virtue that gives you long-lasting happiness.
[09:14] Cathy Russell: Because so many short-term happiness things, I well know, you know, if I eat the whole piece of cake, I'm not happy.
[09:23] Cathy Russell: And I think that's the problem here with hedonism is that people, short-term gratification leads to
[09:30] Francis de Geus: often to long-term misery and pain and yeah yeah and uh francis do you want to weigh in on this i know this is a big a big subject so yeah it is a big subject yes um i think i'm very much in agreement with what uh kathy was saying so i really think that virtue is is a uh
[09:56] Francis de Geus: super important part of what we're here to do, right, as people, as souls, to come and learn.
[10:06] Francis de Geus: So I was talking to Kathy earlier and talking just about the fact that
[10:18] Kim Monson: Now you immigrated from Holland, correct?
[10:21] Kim Monson: And I think I've heard through the grapevine that you've written a book.
[10:29] Francis de Geus: And so what I try to do in the book is sort of, instead of focusing on the negative, which is happening a lot today, I try to focus on how do you
[10:42] Francis de Geus: sort of define what creates a positive impact around you.
[10:53] Francis de Geus: And there are three aspects to that, which is love, truth, and freedom.
[10:59] Francis de Geus: And that in order to have a positive impact on your environment, your actions and whatever rules we create
[11:17] Francis de Geus: And truth, I mean, it has to work the way that you think it works.
[11:21] Francis de Geus: And freedom, in other words, we cannot impose our will on other people in whatever way we want.
[11:35] Kim Monson: And so again, give us the details, the title again.
[11:41] Kim Monson: And it's by Francis, F-R-A-N-C-E-S.
[11:41] Kim Monson: And then how do you spell your last name?
[11:57] Cathy Russell: And can I just add, Frances' book is excellent because it has stories, really great stories that illustrate each of these points.
[12:07] Kim Monson: And before we go to break, you have a book as well, Kathy.
[12:15] Cathy Russell: And it's a story of 13.8 billion years of cosmic creativity.
[12:21] Cathy Russell: And one of the main ideas that I want to share with that is that evolution is a knowledge creation process.
[12:28] Cathy Russell: And that the more we understand how this creativity happens, the better creators we are, the more we're capable of creating value for other people.
[12:38] Kim Monson: And the opposite word of create is destroy or destruction.
[12:42] Kim Monson: And so we're either creating or destroying, right?
[12:48] Kim Monson: Now, is the book in print where people can get it yet?
[12:55] Cathy Russell: So you have to go through my website, which is evolutionsarc.com.
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[17:05] Kim Monson: And in studio with me is former president of Liberty Toastmasters North, Cathy Russell.
[17:12] Kim Monson: And the current president, Francis DeHoose, right?
[17:20] Kim Monson: I'm going to have this by the end of this show.
[17:23] Kim Monson: You're the president of Liberty Toastmasters North.
[17:26] Kim Monson: You're going to have a celebration, I think, a week from Saturday.
[17:34] Kim Monson: And on the line with us is a great sponsor of the show and just a real hero, and that is Karen Gordey.
[17:41] Kim Monson: She has stepped forward to be an engaged citizen, and that's actually basically the subject that we're going to be talking with Liberty Toastmasters about in a little bit.
[17:49] Kim Monson: But Karen Gordey, entrepreneur, owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting, welcome.
[17:58] Kim Monson: And you had given us late-breaking information on Monday morning that the city of Lakewood had said, oh, no, no, you don't get to do that citizens petition for that charter amendment.
[18:11] Kim Monson: And so what's the latest on that, Karen?
[18:14] Karen Gordey: So, yes, they did come back after a second review, said we could not do the charter amendment because it's an even year difference.
[18:21] Karen Gordey: Well, they said it's an even year, so this is a special election, and you have to collect over 12,000 signatures in six weeks with a buffer that's 15,000 signatures if you want to have it on this year's election.
[18:36] Karen Gordey: And, of course, it's summer vacation, et cetera.
[18:40] Karen Gordey: Trying to get 15,000 signatures this quickly is almost impossible.
[18:48] Karen Gordey: And we wish we would have known that upfront because we did ask how many signatures we needed, et cetera, before submitting the petition.
[18:56] Karen Gordey: So, uh, Monday evening, city council had a study session and they did talk about their charter amendments that they're potentially going to put on the ballot for November.
[19:07] Karen Gordey: And then they talked about how to move forward on zoning.
[19:11] Karen Gordey: Uh, because at the core issue right now is obviously they tried to do radical
[19:20] Karen Gordey: And what they decided is that they're going to work on small incremental changes.
[19:28] Karen Gordey: And they decided on eight priority areas for future consideration.
[19:34] Karen Gordey: And I won't go through all eight of them due to time, but their plan is to have city staff go out, create the scope of work, and then come back to a study session in the fall
[19:45] Karen Gordey: and determine how to prioritize those eight specific things and move forward.
[19:51] Karen Gordey: And so we're cautiously optimistic that we're moving forward towards a more collaborative process where residents are engaged early and the concerns are heard and listened and solutions are developed together.
[20:08] Karen Gordey: So we're going to keep a close eye on things.
[20:15] Kim Monson: I'm getting cynical, and so you can probably bring me off the ledge here of cynicism on this, but as you know, I was on city council from 2012 to 2016.
[20:29] Kim Monson: And so that's where part of this is based in.
[20:32] Kim Monson: What I now see, first of all, to have the bar so high and come back and tell you this as you're already into the process regarding signature gathering is, I think, is part of a strategy and how unfair it is.
[20:51] Kim Monson: The city council, though, can put on this ballot, they may or may not, a charter amendment or an amendment.
[20:58] Kim Monson: There's something inherently unfair about that.
[21:01] Kim Monson: But then peeling this out in increments, in eight different little increments, it wears people down.
[21:10] Kim Monson: It wears you down to have to be going to these different meetings.
[21:17] Kim Monson: So you can comment or not, but that's my first read on it, Karen.
[21:29] Karen Gordey: And I watched the entire study session, obviously.
[21:34] Karen Gordey: And when they got to zoning, it was really interesting because they did like, they kind of went around the virtual room and gave the counselors a chance to talk about
[21:44] Karen Gordey: things, and I'd say almost half, maybe just over half, talked about needing better communication and trust, and they, or restoring the trust in the community, and can't restore trust overnight, and you've got to give a little bit of space for them to at least attempt that, right?
[22:06] Karen Gordey: And so that kind of philosophy is kind of watch, let's take them at their word, and
[22:14] Karen Gordey: Let's give them a little bit of space to try to do that.
[22:24] Kim Monson: And I appreciate that because we do need to make sure that we offer this opportunity to come together and to listen on these things.
[22:35] Kim Monson: So Karen, let's move over to your business.
[22:38] Kim Monson: And we are pre-recording the shows for the week of Independence Week, I'm calling it.
[22:49] Kim Monson: have a staycation, and one of the things I want to do is clean my garage, and I've got some old paint.
[22:54] Kim Monson: So what am I going to do with that?
[22:57] Karen Gordey: You are going to either take that to a Sherwin-Williams store to get rid of the paint, or you can go to greensheenpaint.com and put a request in, and they'll actually come pick it up from you and take it away.
[23:17] Karen Gordey: Load everything in your car, go to Sherwin-Williams, unload everything.
[23:22] Karen Gordey: Green machine paint will actually come pick it up for you.
[23:25] Karen Gordey: All you have to do is put it outside the front of your garage.
[23:29] Karen Gordey: And so it's a really easy solution to get rid of that old paint.
[23:34] Kim Monson: And what about radiant painting and lighting?
[23:44] Karen Gordey: This is actually our slow period during the summer.
[23:47] Karen Gordey: because everybody is traveling before and the week of 4th of July and the week after.
[23:54] Karen Gordey: And so things, this is kind of a little bit of a break.
[23:58] Karen Gordey: I say break, that doesn't mean we're completely, you know, dead, but it's a lot slower the next three weeks.
[24:04] Karen Gordey: And so I will kind of enjoy that a little bit.
[24:10] Kim Monson: How can people get more information about Radiant Painting and Lighting?
[24:19] Kim Monson: And that is on my list of things to do as well as to get things organized so that I can have you come out and really make my house radiant again.
[24:28] Kim Monson: That's something I need to do, Karen Gordey.
[24:33] Kim Monson: Thanks for all the great work that you're doing, Karen Gordey.
[24:39] Kim Monson: And a couple of nonprofits I wanted to mention that I support and just really appreciate is the USMC Memorial Foundation.
[24:47] Kim Monson: And they are taking care of the official Marine Memorial, which is out at 6th and Colfax, and also working to raise the money for the remodel.
[24:55] Kim Monson: And so as we're coming into Independence Day, Independence Week, a great way to remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives, is to support the foundation.
[25:05] Kim Monson: And you can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
[25:09] Kim Monson: That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
[25:12] Kim Monson: And then this coming Tuesday at the Center for American Values, located in Pueblo, they're going to have an On Values presentation by Barney Barnum, who is a Medal of Honor recipient.
[25:22] Kim Monson: And it should be really a great event.
[25:26] Kim Monson: online or in person, you can RSVP by going to AmericanValueCenter.org.
[25:33] Kim Monson: And we are going to do table topics with our fellow Liberty Toastmasters.
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[28:03] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[28:06] Kim Monson: That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com.
[28:08] Kim Monson: And I want to say thank you to the Harris family for their diamond sponsorship of the show.
[28:13] Kim Monson: I just so appreciate the relationship we have with them.
[28:16] Kim Monson: Susan Harris was on the show earlier this week.
[28:20] Kim Monson: And always great to have her on in studio with me is Cathy Russell.
[28:25] Kim Monson: She is the former president of Liberty Toastmasters North.
[28:31] Kim Monson: And you have with you the current president, and that's Francis de Hoos.
[28:38] Kim Monson: And so you grew up in Holland, yes?
[28:43] Kim Monson: Well, it's really wonderful to have you here.
[28:45] Kim Monson: And Table Topics is always fun, Kathy.
[28:56] Cathy Russell: Yeah, today the subject is what you are doing to be an engaged citizen regarding liberty and limited government.
[29:09] Cathy Russell: Our first guest is Rick Rome, who is from Liberty Toastmasters in Denver.
[29:18] Rick Rome: I found my special purpose, and I'm going to use it every chance I get.
[29:25] Rick Rome: It's one of my favorite lines from a Steve Martin movie called The Jerk.
[29:29] Rick Rome: Of course, this is a family show, so we won't go into the nuances of the joke itself.
[29:33] Rick Rome: But I love this idea that we each have a destiny, a special purpose, a reason to be here.
[29:40] Rick Rome: I mean, after all, I believe with all my heart that we have God-given rights, life, liberty, happiness.
[29:46] Rick Rome: We also have God-given talents that are unique to each and every single one of us.
[29:50] Rick Rome: And that's something that I think is oftentimes overlooked when we look at this notion of liberty and advocacy and our responsibility to our fellow man.
[29:59] Rick Rome: I mean, when we talk about destiny, what does that mean for your free will?
[30:04] Rick Rome: There's a simple phrase that I go back to.
[30:07] Rick Rome: You work the plan or the plan works you.
[30:10] Rick Rome: It is that simple, and our choice is to either acknowledge what it is that we can do and what we have gifts to do and what we're called to do, or we'll be steamrolled by it and run over by it.
[30:23] Rick Rome: How do you bring that to fruition as an engaged citizen?
[30:26] Rick Rome: The answer is actually really simple.
[30:30] Rick Rome: Become an advocate so fierce for this issue that inspires your heart that it frightens the SPLCA and they actually have to fund groups against you in order to
[30:39] Rick Rome: advocate for their their hate groups look candidates are wonderful you can run for office if you really have your heart set in it but i'm going to let you in on a dirty little secret these guys will glom on to whatever success that we each have in our own lives and claim it for their own it has a purpose they have a bully pulpit i will let them take credit or share the credit with me for anything that i develop that is spectacular and the issue that i love and if my issue is unborn children i'm going to write letters i'm going to go ahead and send money to to groups that are
[31:09] Rick Rome: fighting for young children and women.
[31:12] Rick Rome: If my issue is homeless people, I'm going to go out and collect blankets.
[31:15] Rick Rome: Tell the truth about what's going on on the street.
[31:18] Rick Rome: Gather food and show courtesy, show compassion to these people so that they have an opportunity and the people around us have an opportunity to recognize that truth and that purpose.
[31:28] Rick Rome: If it's elderly care, I'm going to get involved in Meals on Wheels, some sort of check-in service.
[31:34] Rick Rome: Every stage of life has people in need.
[31:36] Rick Rome: And every stage of life has an opportunity for us to bring our talents to bear as an engaged citizen to let these things happen in our communities.
[31:45] Rick Rome: The one thing that they all have in common, it's about service.
[31:49] Rick Rome: And I really believe that the reason for that is the greatest gift that was given to each of us, and we all share it in common, is each other.
[31:57] Rick Rome: And if we're actually serving one another, that is probably the best engagement that we can do to protect our liberty and protect our freedoms.
[32:10] Kim Monson: I'm going to contemplate on that all day long, Rick Rome.
[32:18] Cathy Russell: Our next speaker is Marshall Dawson from Liberty Toastmasters North.
[32:39] Kim Monson: It looks like Marshall dropped off here, so let's just...
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[32:53] Cathy Russell: So, Marshall, what are you thinking about this morning?
[32:57] Marshall Dawson: Well, I asked Grok to estimate how many Coloradans believe they're politically astute, and he came back with
[33:03] Marshall Dawson: Roughly 60% would say that they are, but only about 30% truly are.
[33:09] Marshall Dawson: We know we're never going to reach some on the other side, and there's also some people who are checked out and they don't want to be checked in.
[33:15] Marshall Dawson: That still leaves a whole lot of opportunity to talk about individual rights and limited governance.
[33:27] Marshall Dawson: Well, I mean, she's still Hispanic, but the kids are off the payroll now.
[33:31] Marshall Dawson: For years, I'd known that she was a Democrat, and I suspected she didn't really follow politics.
[33:37] Marshall Dawson: So every time she would ask about a policy or something philosophical, I viewed it as an opportunity to see inside a non-active and engaged Democrat's mind.
[33:48] Marshall Dawson: Now, four years ago in April, I became a candidate for Congress.
[33:53] Marshall Dawson: Monica thought it was fascinating to know an actual candidate.
[34:04] Marshall Dawson: The very next month, the Dawes opinion leaked from the Supreme Court.
[34:10] Marshall Dawson: So the next time that we spoke, knowing that I was a candidate and that conversation was about abortion, I learned that she was personally against abortion, yet she was sympathetic to the edge cases that we always hear about.
[34:26] Marshall Dawson: But based on that awareness, I did my best, you know, not just to explain my views, but also why it should not be a federal issue.
[34:36] Marshall Dawson: Now, she felt so appreciative of feeling heard that she changed her registration so she could vote for me in the primary.
[34:47] Marshall Dawson: And that moment was a big aha moment for me when it comes to the art of conversation.
[34:53] Marshall Dawson: I mean, how many ways could that have gone badly if I tried to get preachy or, you know, tried to beat her over the head with my opinion as a candidate?
[35:01] Marshall Dawson: And, well, just this past Tuesday, she came to me and said, hey, someone asked me about one of the Republican candidates.
[35:11] Marshall Dawson: And she had replied, well, I don't know, but I know just who to ask.
[35:18] Marshall Dawson: And then she said, by the way, I know a person who says he's a libertarian.
[35:27] Marshall Dawson: And I explained that I'm a little ill libertarian, right?
[35:32] Marshall Dawson: But I had the opportunity then to talk about individual rights and about freedom versus force.
[35:42] Marshall Dawson: So once again, it reminded me that yelling at each other about our principles or trying to win an argument, that doesn't move the needle.
[35:52] Marshall Dawson: Changing somebody's mind rarely happens quickly, and our only hope for directly convincing others is to invest in relationships and mastering the art of conversation.
[36:04] Marshall Dawson: You have to be able to listen to others, to actually hear them, and once you've earned their trust, will they be open to your ideas?
[36:12] Kim Monson: That's a remarkable story, and we don't have time right now, but I want to find out exactly what you said to Monica about abortion, because that can be such a hot-button issue.
[36:24] Kim Monson: And so we're going to have to have a conversation about that, Marshall, at some other time.
[36:34] Cathy Russell: Yeah, our next guest is Fred Clifford from Liberty Toastmasters in Denver.
[36:52] Kim Monson: Whenever we do Liberty Toastmasters Table Topics, it's always a lot of things going on.
[36:58] Kim Monson: And so we'll get Fred Clifford back here in just a minute.
[37:11] Cathy Russell: Yeah, do you want to tell us your thoughts about being an engaged citizen?
[37:21] Kim Monson: Joe's not loving them right now, but thank you.
[37:29] Fred Clifford: So sorry about that, but it's just going to happen.
[37:32] Fred Clifford: And by the way, ditto to everything that Rick and Marshall said.
[37:38] Fred Clifford: And I think, you know, both of them tie into what I was going to say.
[37:45] Fred Clifford: And I'll probably be briefer than normal because I don't think I could cover this in a few minutes.
[37:56] Fred Clifford: That's the one thing that everybody can do if they're registered, if they're citizens, things like that.
[38:07] Fred Clifford: a voter, well, I guess he wasn't a voter, but I asked him what his number one issue was.
[38:13] Fred Clifford: And he said, well, my number one issue is voter integrity or election integrity.
[38:22] Fred Clifford: Um, I don't want to get into why that doesn't make any sense, but that happens.
[38:33] Kim Monson: Now wait, not all the same election, right?
[38:48] Fred Clifford: And then Lakewood had a special election this year.
[38:51] Fred Clifford: And I haven't even turned in my primary ballot.
[38:58] Fred Clifford: I think that one of the most important things is voting.
[39:01] Fred Clifford: But when we're talking about voting, it's also important to be savvy.
[39:05] Fred Clifford: And you don't think about your candidates when you get your ballot.
[39:11] Fred Clifford: It helps to do a little bit of research ahead of time.
[39:15] Fred Clifford: I have people every year that call me up or they contact me and say, well, gee, who should I vote for?
[39:22] Fred Clifford: I actually would prefer they did their own research.
[39:26] Fred Clifford: And I've had other people tell me they have their own circle of friends and that's what they do.
[39:37] Fred Clifford: But if that's all they're going to do, that's not a bad approach.
[39:41] Fred Clifford: And by the way, and we're not looking for perfection.
[39:45] Fred Clifford: When we're voting, when we have a choice, we're looking for the best choice of what's available.
[39:52] Fred Clifford: If you don't like somebody because of one particular issue...
[39:56] Fred Clifford: but you still like them better than their opponent, why would you put their opponent ahead of them?
[40:04] Fred Clifford: And one of the best ways to find out about candidates is to ask the candidates questions.
[40:12] Fred Clifford: He was running and somebody asked him a question.
[40:16] Fred Clifford: It's always available to ask the candidates questions.
[40:19] Fred Clifford: And by the way, if you're looking for somebody who agrees with you 100%,
[40:25] Fred Clifford: There's one way to assure that, and that's to run yourself.
[40:30] Kim Monson: I'm not even sure I agree with myself all the time, Fred.
[40:47] Fred Clifford: If you embrace liberty, you're probably better than a majority of the people that get elected in Colorado.
[40:52] Fred Clifford: and i just we have a hard time recruiting candidates so that's i i have to get that appeal in so so that's about all i have i could go on for hours but the time is short okay fred thank you um that is just great i appreciate it and kathy who is our next guest yeah our next guest is tim cranston also from denver liberty toastmasters how are you doing tim
[41:19] Tim Cranston: Boy, what a bunch of tough acts to follow from Cranston here.
[41:24] Tim Cranston: This is a story about pebbles, where they come from and what can happen to them when we really work at it.
[41:31] Tim Cranston: I grew up in Billings, Montana, and I was one of seven people.
[41:34] Tim Cranston: And my mom, instead of having us all give presents for our birthdays, she made us memorize poems for each other.
[41:41] Tim Cranston: And there was one poem that particularly stuck in my mind by James William Foley.
[41:51] Tim Cranston: But there's half a hundred ripples trickling on and on and on.
[41:55] Tim Cranston: Spreading, spreading from the center, flowing on out to the sea.
[41:58] Tim Cranston: And there is no way of telling where the end is going to be.
[42:05] Tim Cranston: Well, in the eighth grade, I read a book of essays by Bill Buckley.
[42:09] Tim Cranston: And it opened my eyes to the beauty and importance of our country today.
[42:12] Tim Cranston: particularly the institutions of liberty and constitutional rule of law, equal protection.
[42:19] Tim Cranston: If you fast forward to, I went to a university, I went to a radical university, and I formed, a friend and I formed a debating society, conservative debating society, where we sponsored debates on the right, and we had people like Bill Buckley and Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard there,
[42:37] Tim Cranston: And the other day I found out that this little group that we formed, the George Washington Society, is now the largest conservative group on that campus outside the Republican Party.
[42:48] Tim Cranston: And so you drop a little pebble in the water and just see how it can grow.
[42:55] Tim Cranston: The biggest ripples I've seen actually come from your own show.
[43:00] Tim Cranston: I remember in the 80s, I'd moved to Denver, and there was this ragamuffin group of guys, Penn included, who...
[43:07] Tim Cranston: They came out with a modest proposal to limit the growth of government and restrain taxes.
[43:11] Tim Cranston: Of course, eight years later, that became enacted as the Taxpayers' Bill of Rights.
[43:20] Tim Cranston: Yesterday, he talked about a new nonprofit that he's forming to fight the insidious initiatives that are going to be on the ballot this year.
[43:29] Tim Cranston: By the way, that's called your family's future alliance.
[43:33] Tim Cranston: Everybody go to that if you can and support them.
[43:36] Tim Cranston: Another creator of ripples is your friend that's always on your show, Kevin Lundberg, a serial conservative entrepreneur.
[43:44] Tim Cranston: Many years ago, he and his wife just founded this little modest organization called the Colorado Home Educators Association.
[43:53] Tim Cranston: And today it's an army of 5,000 people who are advocating for liberty and choice in education.
[44:00] Tim Cranston: And then last year, as you know, everybody knows about Protect Kids Colorado.
[44:04] Tim Cranston: He now has an army of at least 200,000 freedom warriors who are powerfully stopping the school system from indoctrinating our children.
[44:17] Tim Cranston: Your pebbles are ripping throughout the metro area, including this Toastmasters opportunity you give to us.
[44:27] Tim Cranston: So let's encourage your listeners to join one of the three Liberty Toastmasters that you helped create.
[44:34] Tim Cranston: Or maybe they could even form their own Liberty Toastmasters.
[44:38] Tim Cranston: I'd love to see 64 Liberty Toastmasters, one in every county, someday.
[44:44] Tim Cranston: And maybe, in fact, that's one of the things I'm going to be working on this year with Liberty Toastmasters.
[44:57] Kim Monson: And, boy, this is just great stuff.
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[48:14] Kim Monson: And today is Liberty Toastmasters Day.
[48:17] Kim Monson: In studio with us is former president of Liberty Toastmasters North, Cathy Russell.
[48:24] Kim Monson: And you brought along the new president, and that is Francis DeHolst.
[48:36] Kim Monson: And you said there's two sounds in your name that we don't normally have in the English language.
[48:42] Francis de Geus: Yes, it's always kind of fun to watch people struggle trying to pronounce my name.
[49:01] Francis de Geus: Well, Dave, welcome, and thank you for waking up early today and joining us.
[49:07] Dave Walden: Well, good morning, Francis, and good morning, Catherine and Kim.
[49:12] Dave Walden: I'm going to make two points, briefly as I can, and that's this.
[49:18] Dave Walden: In 1964, in addition to being in the Air Force working on a couple of
[49:32] Dave Walden: I cast it for Barry Goldwater, who was running against Lyndon Johnson.
[49:37] Dave Walden: Now, since 64, the very next year, someone literally threw a copy of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged at me and admonished me to read it with the commentary that, who knows, Dave, you might even like it.
[49:56] Dave Walden: And ever since then, 1965, I have been on, among other things, a journey to understand why I voted for Barry Goldwater and not Lyndon Johnson, because I didn't know much anything.
[50:15] Dave Walden: I mean, as an 18, 19-year-old kid at the time, I didn't know much about politics at all.
[50:25] Dave Walden: 65 and now, I've watched our country accelerate in its deterioration away from our founding ideals, which is fundamentally very simple.
[50:40] Dave Walden: It's individual responsibility, the rights necessary to exercise that responsibility, and to prosper and thrive in freedom by allowing everyone else to do the same thing.
[50:55] Dave Walden: So that's what I'm fighting for and have been fighting for for all these years.
[51:00] Dave Walden: And as a little commentary, as a footnote to this, for the first time in my years since 65, I am sensing an actual turnaround.
[51:12] Dave Walden: It has nothing to do with Trump, or maybe a little bit to do with Trump, but it has to do with the interest of the young and their perspectives.
[51:22] Dave Walden: And with that, I'll lead to the second point, which I think is far more important.
[51:27] Dave Walden: And those of you who know me have heard me say this, I know.
[51:30] Dave Walden: I have advised everyone that I come into contact with that I think would be best served by this is to lead with your life and not just your mouth.
[51:50] Dave Walden: If a picture is worth a thousand words, then an example is worth ten thousand.
[51:57] Dave Walden: So be a good example of that which you advocate and argue.
[52:02] Dave Walden: We all know we now live in a culture where you can't even agree on facts, nor the definitions of words.
[52:10] Dave Walden: So go around that and just set a wonderful example of that which you claim to value.
[52:19] Dave Walden: And it will be seen, understood, and perhaps generate a number of questions of why those around you are curious.
[52:30] Kim Monson: Dave Walden, Cathy Russell brought me a gift this morning, and I have in my hand a book, Informed by Reason, by David Walden.
[52:40] Kim Monson: I am so excited to receive this book that you have written.
[52:48] Dave Walden: I only got a certain number of them printed up.
[52:53] Dave Walden: I've given one to Kathy, and I haven't yet given one to Francis, but he's a good friend, as he said.
[53:01] Dave Walden: And the bottom line is, look, Kathy, I mean, Kim, is it was dedicated to my daughter and two granddaughters.
[53:11] Dave Walden: I really had no intention originally of sharing it with anyone else.
[53:15] Dave Walden: I just wanted them to know the history of my life.
[53:20] Dave Walden: And, of course, I put in there early in the book that everyone leads three lives, a public one, a private one, and a secret one.
[53:32] Dave Walden: And there's not many of my secret life in there, much of my secret life in there, but there's certainly a number of my public and private ones
[53:42] Dave Walden: that I hope my daughter and granddaughters will enjoy.
[53:49] Kim Monson: And Francis DeHose, it's great having you here.
[53:54] Kim Monson: What's your final thoughts on all this?
[53:59] Francis de Geus: You know, I love Rick talking about service and serving one another.
[54:30] Francis de Geus: And it was a real, I mean, it's a real event, you know.
[54:33] Francis de Geus: And for me, it was like I received this inheritance, becoming part of this country.
[54:41] Francis de Geus: And I'm just so super grateful for being here, for being in this country, and for having all the liberties that we do.
[54:53] Francis de Geus: support that liberty and that we support it by who we are and what we do in our life.
[55:07] Francis de Geus: But I think it's very important how we interact with other people and the kind of person that we are.
[55:19] Kim Monson: So we'll get to do this again here in a couple of months.
[55:28] Cathy Russell: I'm so grateful that there's a recording of this because there's so much to internalize.
[55:32] Cathy Russell: A couple of the things, the pebble idea, that a small thing ripples out.
[55:37] Cathy Russell: The idea that Marshall brought up of listening.
[55:42] Cathy Russell: And Dave, your idea of leading with your life, and Dave, you are truly an exemplar of that.
[55:51] Cathy Russell: You just radiate joy and kindness and wisdom and truth, as does everybody in this group.
[55:59] Kim Monson: Well, it's great having both of you here.
[56:02] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from J.R.R.
[56:05] Kim Monson: Tolkien, and he said, All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
[56:10] Kim Monson: So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[56:23] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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[57:10] Announcer (Intro Bumper): It's the Kim Monson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
[57:16] Kim Monson: I find that it takes work to get your brain around these ideas, and it takes work to engage in these conversations.
[57:24] Announcer (Intro Bumper): The latest in politics and world affairs.
[57:29] Kim Monson: With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it's not.
[57:37] Announcer (Intro Bumper): Today's Current Opinions and Ideas.
[57:40] Kim Monson: I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
[57:49] Announcer (Intro Bumper): Is it freedom or is it force?
[57:52] Announcer (Intro Bumper): Let's have a conversation.
[57:56] Kim Monson: And welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show.
[58:04] Kim Monson: Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body.
[58:07] Kim Monson: My friends, we were made for this moment in history.
[58:10] Kim Monson: That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting.
[58:17] Kim Monson: Producer Joe, thank you for making Liberty Toastmasters Table Topics happen.
[58:30] Kim Monson: And featured guests in this hour are you, Producer Joe, and Producer Luke.
[58:35] Kim Monson: I call them young guns, and we're talking about ideas and going through our book review.
[58:41] Kim Monson: And Joe, you have selected this one, and that is The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
[58:48] Kim Monson: And we still are just going to get through the introduction, which they didn't even write.
[58:54] Producer Joe: Did we make it past the first page last time?
[58:58] Producer Joe: I don't think we got through the introduction, no.
[59:02] Kim Monson: And I'm pleased that Cathy Russell, former president of Liberty Toastmasters North, is staying in studio as well as Francis DeHoff.
[59:16] Kim Monson: Kathy, one of the things, we forgot to invite people to Liberty Toastmasters and tell them when we meet.
[59:23] Cathy Russell: Well, there's Liberty Toastmasters North that meets in Longmont the second and fourth Saturdays from 10 to noon.
[59:33] Cathy Russell: And then there's Liberty Toastmasters Denver that meets the first and third Saturdays
[59:42] Cathy Russell: And then there's a third Liberty Toastmasters in Colorado Springs that meets from 8 to 9 on the second Wednesday of each month.
[59:50] Cathy Russell: And you can go to, you can Google Liberty Toastmasters and find those, or you can go to Toastmasters International.
[59:58] Cathy Russell: And if you can't go to one of those, there's also Toastmasters groups all up and down the Front Range that you can go to.
[60:05] Kim Monson: And Brad Beck, who is a frequent guest, guest host on the show, in fact, he's going to be the guest host tomorrow because I'm going to be out of the studio.
[60:19] Kim Monson: And so next Saturday, Liberty Toastmasters North will be having a big event, Francis, and so that should be pretty cool.
[60:26] Francis de Geus: Yes, we're going to celebrate the 250th anniversary of this country.
[60:33] Kim Monson: And Kathy, before we get into, well, quickly, I'm going to give our word of the day is hedonism.
[60:38] Kim Monson: And I chose that because of what's going on with Major League Baseball, trying to force their players to have to affirm something they don't believe in.
[60:49] Kim Monson: But hedonism is the pursuit of or devotion to pleasure, especially the pleasure of the senses.
[60:54] Kim Monson: Number two, the ethical doctrine, holding that only what is pleasant or has pleasant consequences is intrinsically good.
[61:01] Kim Monson: Number three, the doctrine holding that behavior is motivated by the desire for pleasure and the avoidance of pain.
[61:11] Kim Monson: And he said, the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus means that one day everything sad will come untrue.
[61:20] Kim Monson: And Kathy, before we get into the next thing that we're going to do, you wanted to share something about Francis's vision.
[61:34] Cathy Russell: Yeah, so I'm so happy that Francis has agreed to become our new president, and he has an awesome vision for what we're going to be doing next year.
[61:44] Cathy Russell: So, Francis, do you want to talk about that a little bit?
[61:48] Francis de Geus: So the vision I had, it's really about how we focus at Liberty Toastmasters on two different things.
[62:03] Francis de Geus: But we also focus on educating ourselves and the other members on the Constitution.
[62:08] Francis de Geus: and the principles of liberty that are the foundation of this country.
[62:19] Francis de Geus: I'm not sure how much time we have, Kim, so you can cut me off whenever, okay?
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[62:24] Francis de Geus: So, but the rules that are in the Constitution are the formal rules.
[62:29] Francis de Geus: But there's also the informal rules, which are part of what makes this country work, right?
[62:35] Francis de Geus: And what makes this republic work, and which keeps liberty alive.
[62:39] Francis de Geus: And to me, that is the virtues that we have to embody in ourselves.
[62:45] Francis de Geus: So Frederick Douglass said, the life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous.
[62:55] Francis de Geus: And to me, that really goes to the core of what the informal rules are, that we start
[63:06] Francis de Geus: And that we continue to appreciate liberty because honest, if I'm honest, if I'm looking around, I'm not seeing a lot of appreciation of the liberty that we have, right?
[63:28] Kim Monson: Well, Frances, you'd think that we set this up like this, that this would be a great segue into our next guest, and that is Priscilla Rahn.
[63:37] Kim Monson: She is the headmaster of a new school, Excalibur Classical Academy, which is opening in Centennial for kids kindergarten through third grade.
[63:48] Kim Monson: That's a perfect segue, Priscilla Rahn, from Frances to you.
[63:56] Priscilla Rahn: I happen to be in Texas today at the Classical Learning Conference and it is Juneteenth and as your guest quoted, Frederick Douglass, what a great example of why we should be celebrating our nation.
[64:13] Priscilla Rahn: our Constitution, and how we are celebrating our heritage, that we're all created equal and endowed with inalienable rights from the Creator, our Lord and Savior.
[64:24] Priscilla Rahn: And so it's just a wonderful time to be starting a new school.
[64:29] Priscilla Rahn: We're celebrating America's 250th birthday, and we have a new private classical Christian school that's opening, Excalibur Classical Academy.
[64:39] Kim Monson: And it will be opening this fall for children kindergarten through third grade.
[64:47] Priscilla Rahn: Yes, and the other exciting thing is we have a very generous benefactor who is offering 100% scholarships for our students who are enrolled.
[65:05] Priscilla Rahn: But we do want parents to go ahead and sign up at our website, ExcaliburClassicalAcademy.org.
[65:14] Kim Monson: And that is spelled E-X-C-A-L-I-B-U-R, ExcaliburClassicalAcademy.org.
[65:23] Kim Monson: And I can't believe we're in mid-June.
[65:40] Priscilla Rahn: They're amazing with great experience, but most importantly, a heart for classical education, which for parents who may not know what a classical education is, it's a liberal arts education, very traditional, lots of reading.
[65:56] Priscilla Rahn: They do get a comprehensive education, so we're going all the way back to phonics, grammar, Latin, handwriting, and cursive.
[66:05] Priscilla Rahn: We do not have screens and electronics and computers at our school.
[66:11] Priscilla Rahn: It's going to be very relational, and I think parents will be really pleased to know that their children will be taught by mentors who will love them and who are committed to respecting parents as the first educators.
[66:25] Kim Monson: So Priscilla, as President of Colorado Union of Taxpayers, I'm working on my final comments.
[66:31] Kim Monson: This is going to the printer today.
[66:33] Kim Monson: This has been an endeavor to get this to this point.
[66:36] Kim Monson: But I was looking at results, education results.
[66:41] Kim Monson: And Chalkbeat had reported that 39% of fourth graders and 37.8% of eighth graders met or exceeded state standards on the CMASS math exam.
[66:57] Kim Monson: And they were saying that that is an improvement.
[66:59] Kim Monson: But that means that 61% of fourth graders are not proficient in that.
[67:07] Kim Monson: This is not okay that this is happening with our kids in education.
[67:10] Kim Monson: That's why I think this Excalibur is so important.
[67:15] Priscilla Rahn: Yes, and it's something that parents can get involved with now.
[67:19] Priscilla Rahn: You cannot wait for the public education system to get their act together.
[67:25] Priscilla Rahn: I mean, by the time you wait, I mean, we've been watching this decline for decades now, and I don't think that parents want to play Russian roulette with their children's education, hoping that their children will come out with the skills that they need to be great servant leaders.
[67:46] Priscilla Rahn: It's easy access to our school right off of I-25 and Dry Creek, right behind Maggiano's.
[67:56] Priscilla Rahn: In fact, early next week we'll have students and parents come and sign their name on the wall, write a scripture or a quote before we paint over it so they'll be forever in the foundation of the school.
[68:17] Priscilla Rahn: It's very expensive to send your children to a private school, but we're taking that barrier away
[68:22] Priscilla Rahn: And we're open kindergarten through third grade and we'll be very transparent.
[68:36] Kim Monson: very, very important, and I would really recommend that you reach out to Priscilla today because once you get to the point where you're full, I'm actually watching another, this is a charter school, and I've heard that some of the parents are on the fence.
[68:57] Kim Monson: Well, what I think's gonna happen then is they're gonna get full and it goes to waiting list, and as a family, you don't wanna get into that situation, Priscilla.
[69:06] Priscilla Rahn: You want to be first, and there's only one inaugural year, and we have some really amazing things planned for our inaugural families.
[69:14] Priscilla Rahn: And the last thing I want to say is to these families who are on the fence, you get to be a part of creating the culture at the school.
[69:22] Priscilla Rahn: You will be welcome and a part of saying, this is what I envision for my child's education.
[69:31] Priscilla Rahn: then to give the power back to parents where it originally belongs and then allow us to come alongside you to bring in the core curriculum and the education and the day-to-day, but to also know you can trust, it is possible to trust your child's school and education when you know that everybody's like-minded and agrees with, you know, the way things should be.
[70:05] Priscilla Rahn: I mean, all of those things that really develop strong families and strong, healthy children.
[70:10] Kim Monson: And what is that website, Priscilla?
[70:18] Kim Monson: And that's E-X-C-A-L-I-B-U-R, ClassicalAcademy.org.
[70:21] Kim Monson: Priscilla, we'll talk with you next week.
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[74:15] Kim Monson: She is the former president of Liberty Toastmasters North.
[74:25] Kim Monson: And you are the current president of Liberty North.
[74:29] Kim Monson: And next Saturday, there will be a great open house, 10 to 12, in Longmont with the Liberty Toastmasters North.
[74:44] Kim Monson: I grew up in western Kansas, and you talk about a church ladies potluck.
[74:50] Kim Monson: I don't know if that's what that's going to be like or not.
[74:53] Kim Monson: And in studio also is producer Luke.
[74:58] Kim Monson: And, of course, producer Joe's here because he's behind the board.
[75:02] Kim Monson: And I call you guys the Young Guns.
[75:04] Kim Monson: We are having conversations about...
[75:07] Kim Monson: And Joe, you chose this book, The Communist Manifesto.
[75:10] Kim Monson: Prior book, Luke, you had chosen, and that was Machiavelli's The Prince.
[75:15] Kim Monson: And then I'd chosen Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt.
[75:18] Kim Monson: So we didn't make it through the introduction last month, but we're going to give it a valiant try here, Joe.
[75:27] Producer Joe: So I just thought recently we should do this.
[75:31] Producer Joe: I keep hearing the term Marxist thrown around, and it kind of gets thrown with socialism and
[75:36] Producer Joe: communism and I really wanted to understand more what it meant to be a Marxist not saying that I want to be one I just want to learn more and actually not get a just vague definition over it and so that it's written but are well it's written by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels and
[75:57] Producer Joe: We have a version that has the introduction of Vladimir Posner, and he lived in Russia in 1956 after his dad brought him from America over there.
[76:12] Producer Joe: And so he puts a lot of similarities to what Karl Marx also grew with.
[76:19] Kim Monson: And he said this in the introduction.
[76:22] Kim Monson: He said there were things that he admired.
[76:24] Kim Monson: The thing that Mark said that everyone was guaranteed a job and everyone had, therefore, a means of sustenance and there were no homeless and all people enjoyed equal opportunity through free education from preschool to graduate studies.
[76:38] Kim Monson: All medical care was offered free of charge.
[76:40] Kim Monson: Everyone was guaranteed a retirement pension.
[76:42] Kim Monson: All working people had paid vacations.
[76:45] Kim Monson: That does sound pretty good, doesn't it, Producer Joe?
[76:48] Producer Joe: I mean, it sounds nice, but when you find out the side effects, it's not so nice.
[76:56] Kim Monson: So, Francis, growing up in Holland, so when I, let's see, 10 years ago, 2016,
[77:05] Kim Monson: I went to Normandy with a group that accompanied four World War II D-Day veterans.
[77:14] Kim Monson: And one of our guides was from Holland.
[77:17] Kim Monson: And there was some pretty tough stuff that happened in Holland by the Nazis, which were the National Socialists.
[77:26] Kim Monson: And there's some pretty tough stuff that happened in Holland.
[77:33] Francis de Geus: Well, it's kind of interesting because I remember when I grew up, there was a very strong anti-German feeling in Holland because, I mean, my dad lived through the war, my mom, both of them lived through the war, and
[77:52] Francis de Geus: So try to imagine perhaps right after the Civil War here in the United States, right?
[77:59] Francis de Geus: So 10, 20 years after that, people had all still experienced that.
[78:14] Kim Monson: Well, because the Nazis were quite cruel, and Nazi stands for National Socialist, I think, Democratic Party or something like that.
[78:24] Kim Monson: Okay, Luke, let's go over to you as we're trying to work through this thing here.
[78:33] Producer Luke: What Joe had said in the very beginning I think is really important.
[78:36] Producer Luke: This idea of being informed especially about the words we're using in relation to the debates about like large economic policy, right?
[78:47] Producer Luke: You're using words like Marxism and capitalism and communism and socialism.
[78:55] Producer Luke: I get the impression that a number of individuals who engage in these dialogues and use these words don't know the definition of the words they're using, or at the very least, maybe we're talking about different things and we don't know it.
[79:08] Producer Luke: We're using very different internal definitions, and we're assuming everyone's on the same page when really we're not.
[79:16] Producer Luke: And I think what you had just mentioned about the introduction to the Communist Manifesto, that line you had just read, I think really speaks to that.
[79:25] Producer Luke: Because there is the idea of communism that we here in America have sort of,
[79:32] Producer Luke: assumed and have adopted you think of communism and you think I'm again this is a very broad assumption please correct me if I'm wrong I think the standard assumption of communism is this authoritarian
[79:49] Producer Luke: State owned, you know, blocks of, you know, you know, gray house, gray apartment blocks.
[80:00] Producer Luke: And, you know, the state of the government decides what's best.
[80:12] Producer Luke: That is not the definition of communism as posed by Karl Marx within the content of the Communist Manifesto.
[80:20] Producer Luke: The idea we have of communism and the proposition of communism are two fundamentally different things
[80:27] Producer Luke: Karl Marx says here in the Communist Manifesto, you know, this idea that nobody wants for anything.
[80:42] Producer Luke: Again, kind of to clarify, in the Communist Manifesto, too, he makes a very clear distinction that state ownership is not communism.
[80:55] Producer Luke: Yes, he says public ownership, which are two very different things.
[80:57] Producer Luke: State ownership and public ownership, as defined by Karl Marx, are fundamentally separate.
[81:05] Producer Luke: I think he, Karl Marx, Karl Marx is proposing a thought experiment.
[81:12] Producer Luke: We here in America have an understanding of society and society's relationship to government.
[81:18] Producer Luke: Karl Marx is proposing a pseudo society that is independent from an authoritarian government, which is
[81:26] Producer Luke: Kind of weird to try and wrap your head around because it's so different from anything that we're familiar with, but I'm trying to find the exact quote.
[81:37] Producer Luke: He says, what certainly did occur in the USSR was the abolishing of private property.
[81:41] Producer Luke: The same happened in Albania, Bulgaria, and he sort of goes on to mention the abolishment of private property.
[81:48] Producer Luke: But in none of them was public collective property instituted.
[81:53] Producer Luke: What replaced private ownership was state ownership.
[81:56] Producer Luke: All of the means of production were both de jure and de facto owned and controlled and run by the state.
[82:04] Producer Luke: So again, I think when we're discussing these ideas, when we're discussing things like capitalism and socialism and communism, we need to recognize the separation that is occurring between the like pop culture understanding of those words and then the words as defined by the people who are debating the economic topic.
[82:26] Kim Monson: Kathy, do you want to comment on this at all before we go to break?
[82:31] Cathy Russell: Defining terms is always really important, and I think you make a great distinction between this idea of social ownership versus government ownership, the intention.
[82:42] Cathy Russell: And I think that helps us be more empathetic to people who love communism.
[82:47] Producer Luke: I think it's, again, when you read the world of Karl Marx, you don't have to agree with the idea he is proposing.
[82:56] Producer Luke: But I think you can see more clearly the intent within the idea being proposed, where when Karl Marx...
[83:04] Producer Luke: as an individual, talks about the proposition of communism, he is doing so from a position of, I want you to have all of the things you need.
[83:17] Producer Luke: It does not feel like it is coming from this desire to oppress, which again, when we're debating the topic of communism, you don't have to agree with communism, but getting on the same page of what is the intent of the author in the work that I think that's important to sort of key into.
[83:34] Kim Monson: So Francis, what's your thoughts on this?
[83:37] Francis de Geus: Well, I kind of go back to the experiment that was started here in the United States when the pilgrims came to Massachusetts, right?
[83:50] Francis de Geus: Everybody put all their stuff together and then everybody got according to their needs.
[84:03] Francis de Geus: And it was only after they went to a system of private property so everybody could produce and keep what they produced that the famine ended.
[84:14] Kim Monson: William Bradford realized that if they continued with that experiment, they were not going to survive because there were those that would work and there were those that wouldn't.
[84:27] Kim Monson: And then the producers are then like, wait a minute, why should I be working when they're not?
[84:36] Kim Monson: And so even though it was a great idea that everybody had what they needed, if they didn't work for it, there was a real problem.
[84:49] Francis de Geus: Human nature is such that we want to keep what we work for.
[84:57] Kim Monson: That's one of the first things they learn is property rights.
[84:59] Kim Monson: One of the first words is mine, right?
[85:03] Kim Monson: But before we go to break, and I think you're hitting on this, Francis, it says, and this is on page 20, it says, what Marx did not foresee and what might be called a huge mistake was that self-styled Marxists would make use of his teachings for their own ends, distorting them beyond recognition in the process.
[85:24] Kim Monson: And I think that's the human nature thing.
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[88:27] Kim Monson: In studio with me is the former president of Liberty Toastmasters North, Cathy Russell.
[88:34] Kim Monson: And current president, and that is Francis de Hoos.
[88:40] Kim Monson: And our young guns, Producer Joe, Producer Luke, we're going through the Communist Manifesto.
[88:50] Producer Joe: A lot of the, I guess, events that drive his, uh, Vladimir Posner, uh, specifically a lot of the,
[88:59] Producer Joe: events kind of drove his decision making and that's kind of something I'm noticing it's not designed like Francis said with human nature in mind it kind of seems reactionary and it kind of seems like the grass is greener on the other side and we're there's this been this back and forth for a while
[89:20] Kim Monson: Well, and on the text line, Yvonne said, the idea of communism is a utopian pipe dream.
[89:27] Kim Monson: Communism in practice is misery and death.
[89:31] Kim Monson: Okay, Producer Luke, I think you had something to say regarding human nature.
[89:38] Producer Luke: Twice now I think we've mentioned that the communist manifesto or the idea of communism doesn't account for human nature.
[89:44] Producer Luke: It sort of removes the human element and needs to exist in this sort of bubble of its own little economic circle, which isn't technically true.
[89:56] Producer Luke: technically with a big asterisk there, because it definitely does not account for current human nature, which I think is again why it's important that we're actually reading the text.
[90:13] Producer Luke: Some accuse Marx of being afflicted with liberal delusions, i.e., of believing that good people in power would bring good results.
[90:24] Producer Luke: Marx believed that good results could be achieved only when society itself changed.
[90:28] Producer Luke: when ownership of the means of production would become collective.
[90:33] Producer Luke: And he goes on to say that in such a society, human nature would undergo serious change.
[90:41] Producer Luke: Indeed, that may have been a delusion, although it is certainly far too early in the game to make that conclusion.
[90:46] Producer Luke: And this is obviously the introduction written by Vladimir Posner.
[90:52] Producer Luke: Here, it mentions that it does account for human nature.
[90:58] Producer Luke: It accounts for the necessary change of human nature.
[91:02] Producer Luke: And again, the body of the work specifically mentions that communism can only work and truly succeed in a society where human nature would undergo serious changes.
[91:12] Producer Luke: So, when we're discussing communism, when we're discussing Karl Marx's view on communism,
[91:16] Producer Luke: He himself specifies that communism can't work if human nature doesn't change and that human nature needs to change first or undergo serious changes and then communism can work.
[91:39] Kim Monson: I think in all the studies they did, I think they determined that human nature doesn't change from generation to generation.
[91:49] Kim Monson: And so this idea, and this is true, and that's why we see many times in public policy this changing of society.
[91:59] Kim Monson: But then it's like, who decides who's going to change that?
[92:05] Kim Monson: felt that human nature was constant.
[92:09] Kim Monson: And there's a Madison quote about if all men were angels, then we wouldn't need this, but we're not angels.
[92:14] Kim Monson: And you can even see that during COVID.
[92:17] Kim Monson: I remember, you know, we're all in this together.
[92:20] Kim Monson: Well, I went to the toilet paper aisle in the grocery store and we weren't all in this together because there wasn't enough toilet paper.
[92:27] Kim Monson: So what do you think about this, Francis?
[92:35] Francis de Geus: He didn't sleep at night because he was worried about the power being concentrated in people who are ruled by the human nature, by human nature or the human consciousness.
[92:50] Francis de Geus: And so the system that they set up, which is the system of liberty, means that you have the different branches who kind of check each other, right?
[93:00] Francis de Geus: And so to me it's like, as long as those are in balance,
[93:06] Francis de Geus: And in other words, everybody who gets into this position of power needs to be checked somehow because human nature cannot handle having that power.
[93:18] Kim Monson: Well, and I even saw it on city council that, well, you give people a little bit of power.
[93:25] Kim Monson: And this was one of the things, Kathy, that in language, you mentioned, Luke, is so important, that we use the term elected officials.
[93:36] Kim Monson: And I really would recommend that we use the word elected representatives because they are to be representatives of the people and they are not to be officiating over our lives.
[93:48] Kim Monson: And I see well-meaning people that can get into these positions and start to think that they are to be making decisions for other people.
[93:57] Kim Monson: And as much as Marx said we need to change society, society is based on human nature and it's impossible.
[94:06] Kim Monson: So to Yvonne's point, it's a utopian pipe dream.
[94:16] Cathy Russell: To say that in the family, maybe communism works to each according to their needs and from each according to their ability.
[94:27] Cathy Russell: So I think that's why it resonates with so many people because people see in a family, oh, we can all share and we can all be loving.
[94:35] Cathy Russell: And so there is that human nature that is essentially giving within the proper small unit.
[94:42] Kim Monson: But even in families, there's this idea of fairness.
[94:46] Kim Monson: And that is, why should my brother not have to do the work, but yet he gets to have dessert, but I have to do all the work, right?
[94:57] Kim Monson: Okay, Joe, your next thought on all this.
[95:00] Producer Joe: Well, it just made me think of the seven mortal sins.
[95:03] Producer Joe: We said, you know, the idea that human nature has to change.
[95:07] Producer Joe: Well, seven mortal sins have been the same since the book was written, and we see those across today hugely.
[95:17] Producer Joe: One big one that I see very prominently today is envy.
[95:21] Producer Joe: And just people have something that I want.
[95:28] Producer Joe: And I think it kind of the system kind of placates to that a little bit.
[95:35] Kim Monson: Well, and we're also seeing another one of those deadly sins right now, and that's called pride.
[95:39] Kim Monson: Thank you, Gammy, for making that note.
[95:42] Kim Monson: Your next thought on all this, Producer Luke.
[95:49] Producer Luke: I have two things, and again, to sort of play a pretty neutral role here, more just like an assessment of the text and sort of what we're discussing here.
[95:59] Producer Luke: On one hand, I think it is a very bold claim that Marx makes that human nature must change fundamentally in order for communism to work.
[96:10] Producer Luke: Hence my previous statement that you need really big asterisks over that.
[96:15] Producer Luke: Because I don't think you're going to get that huge fundamental change in all of society in order to create an environment where communism can work.
[96:24] Producer Luke: But I also put that right up against, to sort of push back on your statement, that human nature is static, foundational, and unchanging.
[96:33] Producer Luke: I think that's what an incredibly sad and depressing take that human nature is at its core, this like, we are inherently selfish beings who are looking out for ourselves.
[96:49] Producer Luke: It sort of goes against the very institution of the Christian religion that I think,
[96:54] Producer Luke: a lot of traditionally conservative individuals pose where famously within the text of the Bible this you know large piece of moral text meant to guide humanity forward references on many occasions this duty to give and be kind unto your neighbor and to you know treat others how you want to be treated and it feels like that
[97:22] Producer Luke: If we believe in the moral authority of the Bible and Christianity, this spiritual sort of anchor point, and we believe in a foundational human nature, then as conservative Christians, is it not then our duty to go against our own nature and to strive for something greater than a selfish human nature?
[97:51] Producer Luke: I feel like those two ideas become at odds with each other, where you can't have foundational, unchanging human nature and believe in the body of the work of the Bible as a moral text without then attempting to change human nature to strive for the morality posed in the Bible.
[98:14] Producer Luke: Again, just as a thought experiment, something to chew on, something to ponder maybe.
[98:29] Cathy Russell: Under Christianity, the responsibility is on each individual to change their minds, to grow their minds, to be more considerate of other people.
[98:38] Cathy Russell: Under communism, it's for this blob to change so that individuals will eventually change their mind.
[98:51] Francis de Geus: Yeah, no, I love that economy that you're bringing up, Luke, about the human nature and then the spiritual nature that we have, because we have both sides in us.
[99:01] Francis de Geus: And it's really our choice which part we're going to be working with, right?
[99:06] Francis de Geus: Am I going to go with my human nature or am I going to be working with my spiritual nature?
[99:12] Francis de Geus: and the spiritual nature, to me, means all the virtues that we can develop and that we can bring out in our life, right?
[99:19] Francis de Geus: As like you're mentioning, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and those kind of things that were brought out in the Bible and through Jesus.
[99:35] Kim Monson: I think, well, God totally understood our human nature, our sinful nature.
[99:43] Kim Monson: And so Christ came to the earth to, and because of our sinful nature, there has to be a reckoning to that.
[99:55] Kim Monson: and and god knew that and so i i jokingly say regarding easter that and well and and the birth of christ is like god says don't make me come down there don't make me come down there he's like okay i'm coming down there and so christ came to be that sacrifice in our place because of the judgment of our human nature
[100:20] Kim Monson: And I think Dave mentioned something about secret life.
[100:24] Kim Monson: You can look at people that we would say are good, but they may be envious.
[100:31] Kim Monson: We may have these different things that are going on, and we all have them.
[100:36] Kim Monson: And to think that we could get to a society that wouldn't have them isn't realistic.
[100:41] Producer Luke: But is it not our moral duty to strive for that society?
[100:51] Producer Luke: Even if it is unrealistic, again, just as the thought experiment, if it is unrealistic and unachievable, is it not still your responsibility as someone who believes in the moral authority of the Bible to strive for it regardless?
[101:08] Kim Monson: I think going back to what Kathy's saying is on an individual basis, first of all, reconciliation with God because of your belief in Jesus Christ that he came to earth, overcame sin and death, and believing in him, we have everlasting life.
[101:25] Kim Monson: So with that, that's actually bigger than I think human society.
[101:28] Kim Monson: And so is that society that we are striving for is that everybody has stuff?
[101:35] Kim Monson: Or is that society that we're striving for based on these principles of the Declaration that all of us are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?
[101:46] Kim Monson: And through that, I think that we get to
[101:49] Kim Monson: a society that honors individuals.
[102:00] Kim Monson: Okay, we need to go to break because we've got a candidate that's on the air.
[102:04] Kim Monson: And any candidate that reaches out to me, I will find time to put them on the show because I think it's so important that you get to know them.
[102:11] Kim Monson: And my gosh, this is a great conversation.
[102:13] Kim Monson: So we'll maybe get to come back and button that up just a little bit.
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[105:31] Kim Monson: And we have on the line with us Pat Miller.
[105:33] Kim Monson: She is a candidate running for, I think, State Senate.
[105:42] Kim Monson: Well, it's good to have you as well.
[105:43] Kim Monson: And we've had robust discussions here.
[105:45] Kim Monson: But we want to learn a little bit more about you, Pat, and why you're stepping forward to run for office.
[105:54] Pat Miller: My mom was the president of the PTA office.
[106:00] Pat Miller: My grandfather was a county commissioner.
[106:02] Pat Miller: This was in Illinois and we were all Democrats.
[106:07] Pat Miller: I'm sorry to say that, but we were.
[106:10] Pat Miller: And my husband and I went to school together.
[106:12] Pat Miller: We were in the same class, graduated, got married, moved to Colorado in 71.
[106:18] Pat Miller: So we've been out here in Colorado for a long time.
[106:21] Pat Miller: And, you know, do you ever sit and watch the news and you listen to what's going on in the legislature?
[106:28] Pat Miller: And I'll look at my husband and I'll say, what?
[106:38] Pat Miller: And so it's been on my heart for all these 50 years that somebody should be defending the family because the government is more and more intrusive into our lives.
[106:50] Pat Miller: And Colorado has always been pretty independent.
[106:54] Pat Miller: The individuals in this state are independent.
[106:57] Pat Miller: And they want to raise their families.
[106:59] Pat Miller: I hope I'm speaking for most Coloradans because I think I am.
[107:06] Pat Miller: We do not want to be like the East and West Coast.
[107:15] Pat Miller: You know, I did a survey recently and it said, what are you passionate about?
[107:20] Pat Miller: And I had to give that some thought because I'm passionate about the family and everything that has passed.
[107:27] Pat Miller: down that the legislature affects the family in some way.
[107:31] Pat Miller: So I would like to be a voice for the family.
[107:34] Pat Miller: And if I go down there and just vote no, that would be a help, just voting no.
[107:40] Pat Miller: But I intend to, I don't know, voting restrictions, voter ID, all of those things come to mind.
[107:50] Pat Miller: We're living in a different place here in Colorado than it used to be.
[107:57] Pat Miller: And I want it back to the way it was when I moved here 50 years ago.
[108:00] Pat Miller: Okay, Pat, what office are you running for?
[108:03] Pat Miller: I'm running for State Senate District 17, which includes Lafayette, Longmont, and Erie.
[108:11] Pat Miller: And quite frankly, it's pretty blue, and I'm pretty red.
[108:15] Pat Miller: But I truly believe nothing is impossible with God.
[108:19] Pat Miller: And we have, he's the head of our campaign, I guess you could say.
[108:24] Pat Miller: So we intend to go out and get every vote we can, every legal vote that we can.
[108:28] Pat Miller: And I do question the voting machines and everything else that goes on here in Colorado.
[108:35] Pat Miller: You know, I did some canvassing after the 2020 election, and I spent so much time looking for an address.
[108:44] Pat Miller: And it finally came to me, this is an empty lot.
[108:50] Pat Miller: And yet there were seven different people registered to vote.
[108:58] Pat Miller: And we've got to address it at some point.
[109:04] Pat Miller: I'd like to carry a bill that we have voter ID that we do away with the mail-in ballots except for people who really need those ballots mailed to them.
[109:15] Pat Miller: And we should be voting on one day and only one day.
[109:38] Kim Monson: And, Pat, thank you for stepping forward to run.
[109:40] Kim Monson: This is Pat Miller running for Colorado's Senate District 17, and the website is patforyou.com.
[109:53] Kim Monson: Luke, I said during break, I think maybe this might be our next town hall at the Kim Monson community.
[110:00] Kim Monson: I think that could be quite interesting.
[110:04] Kim Monson: Holly did say that she's got some suggestions for our next books.
[110:12] Kim Monson: She said, a government that governs least governs best.
[110:18] Producer Luke: I'm glad you continue to make the mistake of inviting me back.
[110:24] Kim Monson: Producer Joe, as always, thank you.
[110:27] Kim Monson: Kathy, treasured friend, great to have you here.
[110:31] Kim Monson: Francis, I feel like you're my new friend.
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[110:39] Kim Monson: Just go to Toastmasters International, put in Liberty Toastmasters, and you can find us.
[110:47] Kim Monson: He said, All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
[110:52] Kim Monson: So, my friends, today be grateful.
[111:01] Kim Monson: And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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