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[01:35] Kim Monson: As you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[01:41] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[01:45] Kim Monson: And during this Easter week, Holy Week, we are pre-recording the shows with great featured guests and a fan favorite.
[01:57] Kim Monson: He is the founder and CEO of First American State Bank, which is a community bank right here in the metro area.
[02:09] Kim Monson: Well, and let's talk a little bit about First American State Bank.
[02:12] Kim Monson: You are the founder and you are the CEO, and it's a community bank located right here in the metro area focused on relationships, which I think people are hungry for relationships.
[02:27] Jay Davidson: We're down here in the Denver Tech Center on Bellevue and Yosemite and right in the middle of the growing area of Denver or Colorado.
[02:39] Jay Davidson: And high tech, high finance, a lot of mom and pop shops, a lot of individuals, a lot of retail type customers.
[02:49] Jay Davidson: And the whole thing, the one thing that we have that the big boys say they have and wish they had,
[02:53] Jay Davidson: but don't is relationships, communication, involvement with the community.
[02:59] Jay Davidson: And I'm not saying they're not involved, but not to the level that any small community bank can be involved.
[03:06] Jay Davidson: And that's the advantage we bring to the party.
[03:09] Jay Davidson: We have the full suite of technical services and treasury management services and so on and so forth, cash management services.
[03:17] Jay Davidson: But the real thing is that you can come in and see the chairman of the board if you want, or you can,
[03:26] Kim Monson: And how can people get more information about First American State Bank?
[03:32] Jay Davidson: Best place is the web and it's F-A-S-B-A-N-K.com.
[03:42] Kim Monson: And that stands for First American State Bank.
[03:47] Kim Monson: You write great, thoughtful commentary on many of the things that are occurring in our country.
[03:53] Kim Monson: People can find much of this at AmericanThinker.com.
[03:59] Kim Monson: However, you've been published in the Wall Street Journal and other publications as well.
[04:03] Kim Monson: And you have a regular column in the local paper, The Villager, yes?
[04:10] Jay Davidson: Bob and Jerry Sweeney and Suzanne Lantham Sweeney are dear friends.
[04:15] Jay Davidson: I mean, I know their family and their grandkids and they know my family and my grandkids.
[04:21] Jay Davidson: And he, Bob Sweeney and Jerry Sweeney, the owners, epitomize the private capital world.
[04:30] Jay Davidson: They're just down to earth, good, decent people.
[04:38] Kim Monson: Well, let's talk about a piece that was published in February.
[04:42] Kim Monson: And its title, and this is at American Thinker, Coercion or Enlightenment?
[04:47] Kim Monson: And you had the tagline, It is refreshing to hear Marco Rubio speak to principle.
[04:53] Kim Monson: I had several people that reached out and said this was one of the best speeches that they'd ever heard.
[05:02] Jay Davidson: Yeah, I was, um, I met Marco a long time ago, uh, when he was the Senator and, uh, he was impressive then obviously, but his work at the state department is in order of magnitude, more impressive.
[05:17] Jay Davidson: Um, the balance that he's demonstrating, um, in, uh, national international diplomacy is incredible.
[05:26] Jay Davidson: Um, he has a spine of steel, it seems like, but he's also, um, human.
[05:40] Jay Davidson: And the principle that I was adhering to that I was so impressed with is the principle of self-determination that is so prevalent in our declaration and our constitution.
[05:54] Kim Monson: Well, and it gives me a lot of hope as we are celebrating our 250th birthday that these principles, searching for wisdom, that we are still working on trying to do that.
[06:14] Jay Davidson: We'll also fall and fail and make mistakes, but that's not the point.
[06:21] Jay Davidson: The Almighty gave us the knowledge of good and evil and gave us free will.
[06:26] Jay Davidson: And what he said was, okay, now you know what to do.
[06:35] Kim Monson: I have a friend that was a veteran of the Vietnam War, and he had taught a class when I was just really getting into this phase of my life.
[06:48] Kim Monson: I was so concerned about what I was hearing that was being taught and not taught in our education system.
[06:54] Kim Monson: And my friend Ben Martin was teaching a class on...
[06:59] Kim Monson: basically the American founding and our heritage of the American founding.
[07:05] Kim Monson: And I learned so much there because our founders understood this about individual freedom and individual choices.
[07:14] Kim Monson: And Ben had coined this term, maybe he got it from somebody else, but he said, liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom.
[07:24] Kim Monson: And that has stuck with me all these years, Jay Davidson.
[07:29] Jay Davidson: There's a lot in that statement and so true.
[07:31] Jay Davidson: I mean, we can't just assume that liberty and freedom are ours because it was written in the Constitution.
[07:38] Jay Davidson: No, we have to fight every day for it or vote every day for it or speak every day for it.
[07:45] Jay Davidson: It's necessary to be active in the pursuit of freedom and liberty.
[07:52] Kim Monson: Well, and it means engaging in conversations.
[07:56] Kim Monson: And it appears right now that there are people that are in silos in our country.
[08:02] Kim Monson: And I think that the big, broad middle of America, we want the same things.
[08:07] Kim Monson: Now, I know that I'm on both sides to the really to the radical left, which has taken over the at least the narrative of the Democrat Party.
[08:18] Kim Monson: I'm hearing more and more Democrats saying,
[08:20] Kim Monson: that are not comfortable with this radical activism of the Democrat Party now.
[08:39] Jay Davidson: No party is perfect, and it's composed of human beings.
[08:42] Jay Davidson: And we have our human nature and our errors and our good things and all that.
[08:50] Jay Davidson: But if we recognize that if we live to a principle and if we choose our principle through wisdom and very carefully and then adhere to that principle, then we can agree on more than we would disagree on.
[09:06] Jay Davidson: And that's where you're seeing the moderate Democrats, the moderate Republicans, the moderate libertarians, the moderate independents coming together on the principle.
[09:16] Jay Davidson: And I think that the main principle is individual freedom.
[09:20] Jay Davidson: the liberty that your teacher said you have to fight for it.
[09:28] Kim Monson: We're talking with Jay Davidson, and he is the CEO and founder of First American State Bank.
[09:34] Kim Monson: And we have these important discussions because we're blessed to work with amazing people.
[09:40] Kim Monson: And I am so pleased to be talking with Carl Jones, who is the owner of Radiance Power, a new partner of the show.
[09:52] Carl Jones: Great to be here, Kim.
[09:54] Kim Monson: And Carl, tell us a little bit about how you got into the electrical contracting business and how you became an entrepreneur and owner of Radiance Power.
[10:07] Carl Jones: Yeah, so I moved here about a year after the whole COVID situation from overseas.
[10:14] Carl Jones: And after having worked all over the world doing electrical and electrical services, when I relocated here, I was not satisfied with the
[10:24] Carl Jones: basically the company's performances, both for the client and for the employee here in Colorado.
[10:31] Carl Jones: With the higher cost of living that exists here in this state, I found that most companies don't pay what I consider a living wage for their employees or for long-term growth with that company to maintain that.
[10:47] Carl Jones: So I started my company to part one,
[10:51] Carl Jones: to be in control of my own business and kind of set myself up for success the way I wanted to.
[10:59] Carl Jones: And then two, to be able to provide myself with a living wage.
[11:05] Carl Jones: And then as the company grows and we bring on a small team of people, they also will have the same opportunity to be able to afford the lifestyle that they want in this city without being forced to live in a certain area or
[11:20] Carl Jones: work a bunch of extra hours just to maintain the style of living that they have now into the future.
[11:30] Kim Monson: And I love that, that you understand how important it is to take good care of your employees.
[11:38] Kim Monson: And when that happens, then I think people can thrive and flourish and do a really good job at their business as well.
[11:48] Kim Monson: And what is your website, Carl, if people want more information?
[11:54] Carl Jones: You can find this at Radiance.
[11:56] Carl Jones: Power.net, that's R-A-D-I-A-N-C-E, power.net, where we have a list of our services, reviews of all the work we've done, and the majority of the pictures found on the site are also all work that has been completed by the company as well.
[12:15] Kim Monson: And it's really interesting to read all of the reviews that are there as well, which I think really shows that you really strive for excellence as you're taking care of your clients.
[12:29] Kim Monson: And your gallery, I looked at your gallery as we were preparing some of these spots, and
[12:36] Kim Monson: I'm sure if you are somebody that understands electrical stuff that people could really appreciate it.
[12:43] Kim Monson: I wasn't sure that I quite understood everything I was looking at generally on that, Carl, but it sure is impressive that you have this gallery of all the work that you've done, a lot of the work that you've done.
[12:55] Carl Jones: Yeah, and a lot of that too is just for example, so that way when clients do call in and ask us about certain projects, we can
[13:02] Carl Jones: push them over to the website and go, hey, take a look at these photos.
[13:06] Carl Jones: It's exactly what's going to look like on your house when we put it in, or this is what it involves as far as the work.
[13:12] Carl Jones: So even though they may not have a full understanding of the scope, they can get a better idea of the work that will be completed on their home or commercial facility.
[13:22] Kim Monson: And that website is radiancepower.net, radiancepower.net.
[13:33] Carl Jones: Yep, you have a great week.
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[16:07] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[16:10] Kim Monson: That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com.
[16:13] Kim Monson: And we're talking about coercion with Jay Davidson.
[16:17] Kim Monson: He has an important piece in American Thinker, Coercion or Enlightenment.
[16:22] Kim Monson: And as many of you know, one of my sponsors is Hooters Restaurants.
[16:28] Kim Monson: One of the things that we did was issue liquor licenses.
[16:32] Kim Monson: Now, that's a whole different discussion.
[16:35] Kim Monson: But Hooters Restaurants had an application in for a location that had been a TGI Fridays that had closed.
[16:43] Kim Monson: There had been a liquor license there.
[16:47] Kim Monson: It, you know, it checked off all of the criteria.
[16:52] Kim Monson: But then there were interested parties involved.
[16:56] Kim Monson: that did not want the restaurant to go in there.
[17:00] Kim Monson: And you hardly ever get a lot of people at city council meetings, but it was standing room only.
[17:07] Kim Monson: And I made the motion to approve the liquor license because it's a freedom issue.
[17:14] Kim Monson: And what was amazing was that that vote was tabled for a couple of weeks.
[17:22] Kim Monson: you can't not approve this because of all the criteria.
[17:27] Kim Monson: Now, I waited until I was off city council and then afterwards approached them about being a sponsor of the show because it was such an important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and those PBIs trying to control things.
[17:41] Kim Monson: And that's why this piece that Jay Davidson has done is so important regarding coercion because these interested parties were trying to coerce
[17:51] Kim Monson: both staff, the bureaucrats, and the politicians, the representatives, to make a decision that was antithetical to freedom.
[18:01] Kim Monson: Yeah, it's such a unique story, but we're seeing this play out all over the country regarding coercion, Jay Davidson.
[18:11] Jay Davidson: That's a really good story and very pertinent to what I think all American citizens are feeling.
[18:17] Jay Davidson: There's a certain malaise throughout our country right now
[18:21] Jay Davidson: I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong.
[18:23] Jay Davidson: Well, I think I know what it is, and I think it's an oppressive government, an overly involved government in our freedoms.
[18:31] Jay Davidson: And that's the principle that Marco Rubio spoke to, the idea of individual freedom, the sanctity of the individual.
[18:40] Jay Davidson: And that principle has guided me through all my decisions on politics and so forth.
[18:48] Jay Davidson: freedom and individual responsibility, or does it take it away?
[18:53] Jay Davidson: If it takes it away, then I don't want anything to do it.
[18:55] Jay Davidson: I don't care if you're a Trump or a Republican or a Democrat.
[18:59] Jay Davidson: Um, that's the, the, the party doesn't matter.
[19:04] Jay Davidson: And I wish, uh, I would keep hoping that more of us will adhere to the principle and less to the political rhetoric and nonsense that, you know, creates the tower of Babel between us all the time.
[19:19] Jay Davidson: More people now agree with the premise of your radio show and my writings that individual freedom isn't important.
[19:29] Jay Davidson: And it's what I want to give a pass down to my grandchildren and yours.
[19:35] Kim Monson: And that's inherently part of the American founding.
[19:39] Kim Monson: You think about the founders, when they were signing the Declaration of Independence, they could hear the British cannons just down the river, not very far.
[19:49] Kim Monson: And they knew as they were signing it that they were signing a death warrant.
[19:54] Kim Monson: Because if they were caught, the British would kill them.
[19:57] Kim Monson: But the reason that they did it is because, and it's in the Declaration, what Jefferson wrote is basically that we want to make sure that we pass liberty on to our posterity, the next generations.
[20:12] Kim Monson: And we have spent blood and treasure for 250 years to protect that.
[20:21] Kim Monson: Jay Davidson to do that, to pass it on to the next generations.
[20:30] Jay Davidson: And heaven help us if we don't do that, if we fail in this effort.
[20:35] Jay Davidson: I don't think we will because the majority of people with whom I speak and you speak and I hear you talk about them understand this principle.
[20:43] Jay Davidson: They just, their hands are tied or they feel like they're tied.
[20:50] Jay Davidson: articulating the concepts that are so prevalent in your show, and that is the sanctity of the individual, the right of the individuals of life, liberty, and ownership of property.
[21:01] Jay Davidson: And when our own politicians speak against individual liberty and more government coercion, then I think we need to call them out on the carpet.
[21:14] Jay Davidson: I feel very offended when a Republican or Trump
[21:20] Jay Davidson: uh, steps over that line and I'll criticize them.
[21:23] Jay Davidson: And of course, you know, people will say I have TDS.
[21:27] Jay Davidson: I like the guy, like what he's doing, but he can't step over that line.
[21:31] Jay Davidson: He can't use government force to, to enter our homes, get into our businesses, uh, you know, arrest people without due cause and do, uh, proper, uh, research.
[21:49] Jay Davidson: I think that this is the one thing that we need to start to clearly articulate.
[21:56] Jay Davidson: What is the correct thing to do for politicians and bureaucrats?
[22:02] Kim Monson: Well, and what you're talking about is something I was concerned.
[22:05] Kim Monson: And I think you're alluding to this commentary about arresting people with these administrative warrants instead of a judicial warrant.
[22:20] Kim Monson: And so I've tried to do some research on it.
[22:23] Kim Monson: And I talked to a guy that is, and I've had him on the show, Chris Harris, who is a retired border agent from the San Diego sector.
[22:34] Kim Monson: And what he said to me was that with this administrative warrant, these are people that have already had a judicial proceeding against them to deport them
[22:49] Kim Monson: And so that clarification, I'm still, still thinking about it, but the narrative that, that, uh, the government is just yanking people, um, you know, from anywhere.
[23:02] Kim Monson: I don't think that narrative is correct, but I do agree with you.
[23:07] Kim Monson: Due process is, it's a foundational in our country.
[23:14] Jay Davidson: Then I would ask this gentleman, and he's obviously very knowledgeable, and I would be very interested in his answer.
[23:20] Jay Davidson: If you have a judicial warrant, why do you need an administrative warrant?
[23:25] Jay Davidson: And what in God's name makes you think that the administration has any rights to tell the judges what to do?
[23:36] Jay Davidson: It's critical for the future success of our nation.
[23:41] Jay Davidson: So when the administrative state starts to impose itself, its will on the American people, that is a problem.
[23:52] Jay Davidson: When he sends ICE, tacked up with M4s, full auto, that's wrong.
[23:59] Jay Davidson: You cannot have federal troops on our streets.
[24:06] Jay Davidson: You know, Trump, you did such a wonderful job closing the borders.
[24:11] Jay Davidson: instant you did it instantly and then you went and deported all these illegal uh criminals beautiful job right i agree with that too yeah oh but now you're going after you know this poor little old lady that's been here for 20 30 years uh holds it down a job pays her taxes is not a burden on society but gee she walked across the border without prior approval
[24:36] Jay Davidson: And let's have a little bit of compassion here.
[24:39] Kim Monson: Well, and I think most people have compassion towards that.
[24:45] Kim Monson: I was talking with someone about it.
[24:48] Kim Monson: And because it is, it's an important issue.
[24:50] Kim Monson: And there's the human component of it as well.
[24:52] Kim Monson: But I said, if you've come to our country and you want to hurt us, you need to go.
[24:58] Kim Monson: If you come to our country and you're a criminal in your country or you're doing criminal acts here,
[25:05] Kim Monson: And if you are coming here to live off the American taxpayer, I think they got to go, Jay.
[25:13] Kim Monson: And then this whole thing with the Somalis that have been brought in under legal, you know, legal ways like refugee or asylee resettlement.
[25:25] Kim Monson: But if you have come here to defraud the American people, I think they have to go, Jay.
[25:31] Jay Davidson: I agree with that, but they're breaking the law, okay?
[25:34] Jay Davidson: That's the one common denominator on the people that have to go.
[25:39] Jay Davidson: And a misdemeanor walking across a border is not really breaking the law, in my opinion.
[25:45] Jay Davidson: But when they defraud the United States government, like the Somalis in your example, absolutely.
[25:51] Jay Davidson: They need to go after they spend time in jail for what they've done.
[25:55] Jay Davidson: Hundreds of billions of dollars embezzled in Minnesota...
[26:00] Jay Davidson: Another hundreds and hundreds of billions in California.
[26:08] Jay Davidson: And some Republicans have the audacity to say, we're not paying enough taxes.
[26:18] Kim Monson: And I think that this is the issue that is going to really get people's attention because Americans care about others.
[26:27] Kim Monson: But when they realize they, we, that we have been.
[26:35] Kim Monson: I want to say played, played its chumps.
[26:39] Kim Monson: And I think that this is, this is, I think this is an issue that we really need to continue to shed light on.
[26:47] Kim Monson: I had seen a headline that Nick Shirley, you know, this young guy, young videographer that broke the story in Minnesota regarding the Somali fraud is out in California and
[26:58] Kim Monson: And that the headline, I didn't get to read the whole piece, but it was like, I don't think that Newsom was very excited that Nick Shirley was out there with his camera.
[27:09] Jay Davidson: I mean, the fraud in California is worse than in Minnesota, which is saying a lot, but yeah.
[27:15] Jay Davidson: So there's hundreds of billions of dollars that we can apply back to reducing the federal debt, which by the way, goes on my grandchildren's shoulders because
[27:36] Jay Davidson: Look at all these young millennials that are still struggling to get their first home.
[27:41] Jay Davidson: I can directly tie that into the excessive debt and the excessive spending of the federal government.
[27:47] Kim Monson: And then you can wrap in that fraud.
[27:50] Kim Monson: And that is that dot that we need to connect for everyone.
[27:53] Kim Monson: And quite frankly, if we pay lower taxes, then these PBIs would not have this money to do the stuff that they've been doing like that.
[28:04] Kim Monson: And people would have more money in their pocket so that they could go after their hopes and dreams.
[28:08] Kim Monson: People can afford that first house.
[28:10] Kim Monson: There's a whole lot of things that are associated with that.
[28:13] Kim Monson: We're going to continue the discussion with Jay Davidson, but I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation doing great work as far as taking care of the Marine Memorial, which is here in Golden, and working to raise the money for the remodel.
[28:27] Kim Monson: They have their big fundraiser May 14th out at the Ridge at Castle Pines.
[28:33] Kim Monson: and would highly recommend that you check out the website and register now.
[28:38] Kim Monson: That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org, and we are blessed to work with amazing sponsors.
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[31:56] Kim Monson: We're talking with Jay Davidson regarding a piece that has been published at American Thinker
[32:05] Kim Monson: And it is, let's see, I think it was published in February, Jay, and it was regarding coercion, coercion or enlightenment.
[32:14] Kim Monson: And we've got a question that's going to be on the November ballot that I really feel has coercion.
[32:23] Kim Monson: And the title, I think, is just so fascinating.
[32:26] Kim Monson: I think it's disingenuous, and in fact, I did testify in the committee on that.
[32:32] Kim Monson: It's called State Public K-12 Education Funding.
[32:36] Kim Monson: But in essence, what it would do is totally gut TABOR, which is Colorado's Taxpayers' Bill of Rights, which was passed by the people as an amendment to the Constitution in 1992.
[32:47] Kim Monson: And basically, TABOR tries to put spending...
[32:52] Kim Monson: um, boundaries on government and this, this group, and they've been at it for a long time.
[33:00] Kim Monson: And as people on both sides of the aisle are, it would try to gut Tabor, but they're saying it, Jay Davidson, that is for the children.
[33:12] Jay Davidson: Well, it's certainly a lie because what they're doing, um, harms the children.
[33:16] Jay Davidson: When you really look at it, when you, uh, take current income through taxes, uh,
[33:22] Jay Davidson: away from the people that earned it, then they can no longer spend that money as they see fit, rather it goes into a bureaucracy, which is by definition the most inefficient thing in the world, and it gets wasted and spent on places that you don't want.
[33:37] Jay Davidson: So how does it help the children when the government has control of the money?
[33:45] Jay Davidson: What right do you have to take it away from me?
[33:48] Jay Davidson: And yet they do, and that is absolute coercion.
[33:51] Kim Monson: And this bill, it's, and when I testified on this when it was in committee initially, and I said, this is dishonest and it's deceptive.
[34:02] Kim Monson: And on that basis, people should vote no.
[34:08] Kim Monson: But there will be this question on the ballot this November.
[34:12] Kim Monson: And so we've really got to educate people about what this is.
[34:17] Kim Monson: They say it's for education funding, but excess revenue collected will go into the general fund.
[34:22] Kim Monson: They imply there will be a 10-year sunset.
[34:25] Kim Monson: After that 10 years, all of the money will go to the general fund.
[34:30] Kim Monson: This is an amazing, audacious grab at everyday people's property.
[34:39] Kim Monson: And it's under the guise of for the children.
[34:42] Jay Davidson: Yeah, like you said, this was a constitutional amendment that the voters of Colorado passed.
[34:48] Jay Davidson: So why are the Democrats in control of Colorado doing this now?
[34:55] Jay Davidson: What, you know, if they want to re amend the constitution of the state of Colorado, then send it to the people, not in some amendment, uh, amendment form like they're doing, but make it a constitutional amendment rather than trying to sneak it through behind the closed doors.
[35:12] Kim Monson: I agree that it should be if you're going to change the Constitution, it has to be by amendment.
[35:19] Kim Monson: But this is really a sneak around, I would say, on that.
[35:26] Jay Davidson: right off the bat, if you can't be honest with me, uh, Mr.
[35:31] Jay Davidson: Politician, Mr. Bureaucrat and interest to party, then we don't have a conversation.
[35:38] Kim Monson: And we, the people of Colorado will need to say no to, uh, we don't have the, um, what the actual number will be on the ballot, but right now it's considered Senate bill one 35.
[35:52] Kim Monson: check that out and look between the lines and then go over to coloradotaxpayer.org, which is this all-volunteer organization that I'm involved with where we look at this legislation and take positions on it.
[36:03] Kim Monson: We've got an excellent analysis of it at coloradotaxpayer.org.
[36:08] Kim Monson: But get up to speed because there's going to be a lot of money that is coming at it because those that will benefit from more and more of your tax dollars are willing to spend some money now for what they consider a big windfall
[36:24] Jay Davidson: Yeah, I think we can probably safely say, although I can't prove it, but I think it will be proved eventually that they have an incredible war chest and we can see the effect of fraud and embezzlement in Minnesota and California with the Somalis in Minnesota embezzling money through Obamacare.
[36:49] Jay Davidson: There's an enormous amount of money that's being diverted away from tax money.
[36:54] Jay Davidson: Money that we citizens paid in is being wasted and diverted into these bureaucratic entities to be spent on creating new politicians to protect the next level of fraud that they're going to perpetrate on us.
[37:09] Jay Davidson: I think people need to wake up to the fact that either you have your money, your earnings, or the government does.
[37:19] Jay Davidson: And I always submit that it's better in your hands.
[37:22] Jay Davidson: You'll spend it smarter and better than any government bureaucrat will who didn't earn it.
[37:32] Kim Monson: And don't you find it a little bit ironic that we have all these PBIs that wring their hands about wanting to make life more affordable for each of us.
[37:42] Kim Monson: But then the next thing they do is they're devising schemes on how to take more and more of our money.
[37:47] Kim Monson: I would be able to afford my life in a much better way if I had more money in my pocket, Jay Davidson.
[37:55] Jay Davidson: I mean, you look at the taxes and fees that most people are paying in Colorado, over half of your income goes to taxes and fees.
[38:05] Jay Davidson: And if you're really a top level 1%, 10% wage earner, a lot more of your earnings goes into the tax coffers.
[38:19] Jay Davidson: And why is Polis and the Democrats always hitting us up for more tax increases?
[38:25] Jay Davidson: They create these lies called affordability or DEI or whatever you want to call it, whatever the game is that they're playing now.
[38:34] Jay Davidson: You know, you're a greedy capitalist if you refuse me my 1% or 2% taxes.
[38:43] Jay Davidson: And that's on top of the 5%, 6%, 7%, 20%, 50% taxes.
[38:47] Jay Davidson: that are already there, but they don't mention that.
[38:50] Jay Davidson: So we, the people, we individuals have to control our politicians
[38:56] Jay Davidson: And I must say, we've been doing a really poor job of that recently.
[39:00] Kim Monson: Well, and it's because I think that as a society, we've been in a way very prosperous.
[39:07] Kim Monson: But people, and you mentioned this, people I think are realizing something isn't quite right.
[39:13] Kim Monson: And that isn't quite right is a government that is PBIs, I'm going to name them that,
[39:19] Kim Monson: that are wanting to take more and more control of our money, of our lives.
[39:24] Kim Monson: And I think we are at a point that we are, people are paying attention and I think we can make a difference here, but we've got to engage in this conversation so that people understand what's going on, Jay.
[39:39] Jay Davidson: It's so insidious that, you know, if you're not laser focused on it, you can visit in a hurry and both parties do it.
[39:49] Jay Davidson: It's not like I can pour it to one party and say, oh no, they're on my side.
[39:53] Jay Davidson: No, more of them might be on my side at one party than the other, but neither one is really holding the line.
[40:02] Jay Davidson: You elect some guy to go to Washington to pass laws, to tell you what to do with your freedoms and your life?
[40:10] Jay Davidson: And every time a politician goes in and says,
[40:14] Jay Davidson: I'm going to use the power of the government to save you.
[40:17] Jay Davidson: You better run for the doors because that clown is going to mess with you one way or another.
[40:24] Jay Davidson: And if we don't start thinking down that line, I mean, Reagan was like, I mean, I just love listening to that man.
[40:30] Jay Davidson: You know, the most dangerous words in the world, I'm from the government, I'm here to help.
[40:38] Jay Davidson: And it's not like we don't know these things.
[40:45] Jay Davidson: We had all this prosperity, all this hard work.
[40:48] Jay Davidson: The payments for all of our hard work in the past were still spinning through, and we forgot to pay attention.
[40:58] Jay Davidson: Colorado has been Democrat-controlled for a decade or more.
[41:04] Jay Davidson: And look where this state and this city is right now.
[41:12] Jay Davidson: places to work now we have the most crime the most taxes the least public amenities and services the worst roads and the democrats want to continue doing the same old thing and i must say when republicans are in i don't know if they did a lot better but they did a little better i think
[41:33] Jay Davidson: But, you know, there's got to be a breaking point here.
[41:38] Kim Monson: Well, I think we need to demand a lot better.
[41:43] Kim Monson: But we need to elect people that understand the proper role of government.
[41:51] Kim Monson: And politics is so toxic that right now there's a lot of people that look at it that would be great representatives for the people.
[42:01] Kim Monson: And they won't run for office because it's gotten so toxic, Jay.
[42:13] Jay Davidson: sending my missives down to American Thinker, but I'm not about to get involved in politics.
[42:23] Jay Davidson: I don't like a lot of people, so I'm very selective.
[42:29] Kim Monson: So I know you like children, but going out and kissing babies to try to get elected to office, I don't really see that that is something that you would do, Jay Davidson.
[42:43] Kim Monson: Well, we're going to continue the discussion, but I did want to mention the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, which is doing great.
[42:50] Kim Monson: There's so many great organizations doing things, and they focus on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients.
[42:58] Kim Monson: But also they focus on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism.
[43:03] Kim Monson: And they've created great educational programs for K-12 and for educators.
[43:09] Kim Monson: You can get more information about all of this if you go to their website.
[43:12] Kim Monson: And that website is AmericanValuesCenter.org.
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[46:16] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[46:19] Kim Monson: That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com.
[46:22] Kim Monson: And we are pre-recording for this week of Easter with great featured guests.
[46:27] Kim Monson: We've been talking with the founder and CEO of First American State Bank, which is also a great sponsor of the show, which we really appreciate.
[46:37] Kim Monson: And Jay Davidson, you had sent over an email regarding that there is some solutions.
[46:43] Kim Monson: There's some good news out there regarding, maybe it's something that people don't pay so much attention about, but with some of the stuff that's going on at the Federal Reserve.
[46:58] Jay Davidson: You know, the Federal Reserve is this entity that increases interest rates or decreases, and that's about all we care about.
[47:04] Jay Davidson: When you live in the banking world, you do what the Fed tells you to do.
[47:07] Jay Davidson: I mean, there is just no two ways about it.
[47:10] Jay Davidson: If they increase interest rates, we increase interest rates.
[47:15] Jay Davidson: So we're very careful to watch the Fed like a hawk, because I want to know who the people are that are coming in to the Fed.
[47:23] Jay Davidson: I know the people that have been there, and I've written many articles criticizing their monetary policy.
[47:33] Jay Davidson: How do you keep the value of the U.S. dollar, keep the purchasing power of a $1 bill?
[47:41] Jay Davidson: That's really all monetary policy is, and there are reams of papers and technical data that go along with it.
[47:49] Jay Davidson: But the bottom line, the prime directive of the Federal Reserve when it was started in 1913 was preserve the value of the United States dollar.
[47:58] Jay Davidson: In the intervening 100 years plus, the Federal Reserve,
[48:02] Jay Davidson: Various Federal Reserve, they're called Federal Open Market Committee, FOMC.
[48:08] Jay Davidson: It's a subdivision of the Federal Reserve that makes monetary policy decisions on rates and liquidity.
[48:15] Jay Davidson: They managed to destroy the purchasing power of the American dollar by 97%.
[48:21] Jay Davidson: So humbly, I would say that they've not done their jobs.
[48:26] Jay Davidson: And then 20, 30 years ago, they added in, oh, and not only will we not, should we control the value of the dollar, but will and guarantee full employment.
[48:36] Jay Davidson: Now, I can tell you as a banker and a business owner that that is one of the most absurd statements I've ever heard in my life.
[48:43] Jay Davidson: First off, no government entity can guarantee employment.
[48:46] Jay Davidson: except its own employment, and that means they need to take money from you, the taxpayer, to pay for that guy.
[48:56] Jay Davidson: Employment is when a guy like me or a gal like you starts your own little business and starts paying people out of your earnings to come and work for you.
[49:10] Jay Davidson: We individual private citizens in private business do all the employment that matters.
[49:17] Jay Davidson: because the money is not taken from another.
[49:20] Jay Davidson: It is willingly given because we have a superior product or service.
[49:27] Jay Davidson: That's why the other article we were just talking about was coercion or enlightenment.
[49:34] Jay Davidson: The government courses, you don't have a chance to object to the taxes and the fees that they impose on you.
[49:44] Jay Davidson: regulations that you have to live under even though they're ridiculous and they cost a fortune you have to do it because they have the power and that's all they are and that's all the government is and that is the reason that our founding fathers created the the they created the declaration of independence to describe what rights are immutable are from our uh our creator life liberty and the ownership of property were the three
[50:13] Jay Davidson: And the Constitution was built strictly and only to control the federal government and the state and the local governments.
[50:23] Jay Davidson: Now, I would say that nobody really cares anymore because they're stepping all over the Constitution.
[50:31] Jay Davidson: That is the rule of law to which we must demand adherence by the politicians.
[50:37] Jay Davidson: So going back to the Fed Reserve and when I talk about coercion versus enlightenment, the Fed monetary policy has two tools.
[50:50] Jay Davidson: And the other one is liquidity or money supply, the amount of dollars in circulation.
[50:55] Jay Davidson: And just really briefly, if interest rates go up, which is the Fed funds rate, they affect the overnight rate, which affects banks, then business activity slows down because borrowing costs go up.
[51:07] Jay Davidson: And conversely, if they drop rates, then business activity picks up because borrowing costs go down.
[51:13] Jay Davidson: On the other side of the story, and equally, probably more important, if you really understand money supply, is the supply of money in circulation at any particular point in time?
[51:27] Jay Davidson: And I've been screaming about the Fed's misuse and abuse of monetary policy since 2008 when they introduced a
[51:36] Jay Davidson: very arcane topic called quantitative easing.
[51:39] Jay Davidson: And all that is is they just, quote, unquote, printed $9 trillion additional U.S. dollars, totally ignoring the fact that every dollar you print in excess of that needed to provide liquidity in the marketplace is inflationary.
[52:00] Jay Davidson: And inflationary means that the prices go up, but what it really means
[52:05] Jay Davidson: is that the value of your dollar goes down.
[52:08] Jay Davidson: It takes more of your U.S. dollars to buy the same commodity or same service as before.
[52:15] Jay Davidson: And inflation is the most insidious, dangerous, and destructive element there is to the workings of our economy.
[52:24] Jay Davidson: And since 2008, in printing $9 trillion, creating $9 trillion,
[52:33] Jay Davidson: They have set the stage for the inflation that we're feeling.
[52:36] Jay Davidson: And this inflation is not the normal inflation that you see, which is a supply demand imbalance.
[52:41] Jay Davidson: There's nothing to do with supply and demand.
[52:43] Jay Davidson: It has everything to do with the valuation of the purchasing power of the dollar.
[52:48] Jay Davidson: And that's why monetary policy is so critical, even though you probably don't watch it.
[53:00] Jay Davidson: old Fed Reserve from Bernanke to Yellen to Powell today.
[53:05] Jay Davidson: For almost two decades, they have been printing this kind of money.
[53:09] Jay Davidson: I'll give you an example of how powerful this is, the magnitude of this quantitative easing.
[53:16] Jay Davidson: In 2008, the Fed Reserve's balance sheet, income balance, balance and liability, excuse me, assets and liability or balance sheet was about $800 billion.
[53:29] Jay Davidson: After quantitative easing in 2009, it steadily grew up to $9 trillion.
[53:37] Jay Davidson: That's a 10 times increase in the supply of money in that short amount of time.
[53:53] Jay Davidson: And you could say, well, it doesn't matter.
[53:59] Jay Davidson: When you print money or create money, you have to counterbalance it on your books.
[54:14] Jay Davidson: So not only are they devaluing the dollar that you have in your pocket that you earned, they're making it worth less.
[54:23] Jay Davidson: They're putting an incredible debt burden on your shoulders that you have to pay off
[54:28] Jay Davidson: your grandkids have to pay off and oh by the way if you haven't noticed they haven't affected inflation at all i mean the the level of incompetence or ignorance i don't know which it is is astonishing to me and but you are encouraged this piece that you're uh working on yeah you are somewhat encouraged uh regarding some of the fed appointments yes
[54:54] Jay Davidson: Yeah, thanks for bringing me back to reality here.
[55:00] Jay Davidson: Yes, and there are two individuals at the very top level of the Fed.
[55:05] Jay Davidson: The chair elect nominee, the chair nominee is Kevin Warsh.
[55:11] Jay Davidson: And currently in place, the vice chair of the Fed Reserve is Ms.
[55:16] Jay Davidson: And both of those individuals are adamant about reducing the supply of money in circulations.
[55:23] Jay Davidson: That will have an immediate and positive effect on the value of the dollar.
[55:29] Jay Davidson: And it will stop the devaluation that we're seeing with excess money supply.
[55:34] Jay Davidson: And that will also stop the inflation that we're, we're feeling where you go to the gas pump and you buy the same number of gallons, but it costs you a few extra dollars every time you go, that's going to stop and reverse.
[55:47] Jay Davidson: So I'm very encouraged by these two appointees that Mr. Trump has put in place.
[55:57] Kim Monson: Well, it is good news because inflation, my father would talk with me about all kinds of different things.
[56:03] Kim Monson: But one time when we were in his pickup riding around the plains of western Kansas, he was teaching me about inflation.
[56:12] Kim Monson: And he said inflation is the silent thief.
[56:26] Kim Monson: We are at a historic time in our country, Jay Davidson.
[56:30] Kim Monson: And even though things can seem tumultuous, for us to be in this battle of ideas, you with the...
[56:38] Kim Monson: Continuing different articles that you get published.
[56:42] Kim Monson: And then also you are always talking with your sphere of influence about these important ideas.
[56:50] Kim Monson: And this is the way that we're going to reclaim this great American idea, Jay Davidson.
[56:56] Jay Davidson: Yeah, I mean, we talked about coercion versus enlightenment.
[56:59] Jay Davidson: Well, this is the enlightenment side of the equation.
[57:06] Jay Davidson: But if I have a better idea, then I would hope you might embrace it or at least think about it.
[57:13] Jay Davidson: But, you know, I'm going to be talking to principle, about principle, about the principle that underlies everything that we do.
[57:21] Jay Davidson: And the more we talk principle, the less the Democrats or the left or the communists can subvert what we're trying to say.
[57:29] Jay Davidson: They can call us greedy capitalists all they want and say, good, yeah, thanks.
[57:38] Jay Davidson: And that's the best solution that we have for our nation's economy and our strength of our nation.
[57:44] Jay Davidson: That's the best way that I can protect my children and grandchildren.
[57:50] Jay Davidson: So this is the whole idea behind enlightenment.
[57:53] Jay Davidson: And you look at the religions that have survived, Christianity, Judaism.
[57:58] Jay Davidson: I mean, you're talking 2,000 years and 5,000, 6,000 years of longevity.
[58:06] Jay Davidson: They did that through enlightenment, not coercion.
[58:09] Jay Davidson: And that's the mistake that the fundamentalist Islamists are making right now.
[58:14] Jay Davidson: They're trying to promulgate through coercion.
[58:17] Jay Davidson: And, yeah, they're killing off a lot of people, unfortunately, right now.
[58:23] Jay Davidson: It's the long-term enlightenment that's going to make the difference.
[58:27] Kim Monson: which is based on liberty, which is the responsible exercise of freedom.
[58:32] Kim Monson: Jay Davidson, it's always so interesting to talk with you.
[58:36] Kim Monson: I wish you and yours a very blessed Easter.
[58:43] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from Ludwig von Mises, who is a favorite of Jay Davidson, says liberty is always freedom from the government.
[58:51] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[59:04] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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[61:32] Kim Monson: And what we do is we are able to focus on the future guests for the complete show and just great, great guests, very, very unique guests.
[61:42] Kim Monson: And I'm so pleased to have on the line with me, Pastor Stephen Chappell.
[61:46] Kim Monson: He is the senior pastor of Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California.
[61:51] Kim Monson: And having a burden to see people saved and churches planted on the West Coast, he and his family moved to northern San Diego County in July of 1998 to begin this work.
[62:02] Kim Monson: Pastor Steve is the author of numerous books and is a frequent speaker, offering encouragement and biblical insight for life.
[62:11] Kim Monson: And serving with his wife, Lisa, Pastor Steve seeks to encourage people of faith to boldly live for God.
[62:18] Kim Monson: So, Pastor Stephen Chappell, it's great to have you.
[62:21] Kim Monson: And we're talking about your book, Offensive Faith, taking your faith on the offense in a world trying to keep you on defense.
[62:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Thank you, Kim.
[62:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's great to be with you.
[62:39] Kim Monson: And you based this, you wrote this with Jeremy Stalnecker.
[62:42] Kim Monson: And I guess the first thing is, is why did you write the book?
[62:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: You know, I think the genesis of this book came from the COVID season with the shutdowns, followed by a lot of the social unrest.
[62:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And we just took a look at our nation.
[62:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Jeremy is a tremendous brother in Christ.
[63:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He's a Marine who's now leading an organization called Mighty Oaks.
[63:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he primarily reaches out to first responders and veterans.
[63:10] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the more we talked, we just felt like a lot of the church in a time where we were most needed were kind of put back on our heels.
[63:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And God has not called the church to be quiet or to be still or to be moving forward in love, compassionately sharing the good news of Jesus Christ.
[63:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so our hope was that this would just encourage people in every area of life who know the Lord to boldly live for God.
[63:36] Kim Monson: And one of the things in one of the chapters, you address that I think people have looked at this.
[63:43] Kim Monson: Many Christians say, hey, I don't want to get involved.
[63:48] Kim Monson: I'll live out my faith within my little community.
[63:52] Kim Monson: But this book calls us to do something different.
[63:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Yeah, well, we're living in the midst of a world that they've got an agenda.
[64:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They've got objectives.
[64:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They've got strategies.
[64:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And if we think the approach of just go along to get along is going to help us to preserve not only the freedoms we have in this country, but this faith we hope to share with everyone who needs Jesus, we're sadly mistaken.
[64:19] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I think, for example, I don't have all the statistics right in front of me, although they are in the book and they're all footnoted.
[64:24] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But we send our kids to state schools that absolutely have an agenda and have
[64:32] Pastor Stephen Chappell: In enormous percentages, the liberal perspective is the overwhelming way that kids are being taught today.
[64:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so we need to at least be aware of that as parents so that we can put into the lives of our kids what they're going to need to stand strong.
[64:52] Kim Monson: And so to be on the offense regarding our faith, our families, our communities, and you have calls to action as far as being civically engaged.
[65:08] Kim Monson: The book is based on the story of Daniel from the Bible.
[65:12] Kim Monson: And for people that may not be familiar with the story, tell us about that.
[65:17] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, to me, it's such an encouragement.
[65:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And one question I often hear people asking, and I write this in the beginning of the book, a conversation my wife and I had is, you know, what kind of world are we leaving to our kids?
[65:29] Pastor Stephen Chappell: How are they ever going to make it and stand for God and all of these things?
[65:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And if ever there was someone who says, listen, you can do it, it is Daniel.
[65:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So as a young teenage boy, his country is conquered.
[65:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He's taken from Israel to live in
[65:45] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Babylon, and he's there.
[65:47] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And for the next 70 years, he has a life that reveals no scandal.
[65:52] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He's got a testimony of faith and faithfulness and prayer.
[65:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And at the end of his life, he's the number two man in the most powerful kingdom in the world, and God used him greatly.
[66:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But he's really the story of someone who went into a culture that was counter God, and he boldly stood for God, and he made a difference.
[66:13] Kim Monson: And how did he do that, Pastor Steve?
[66:17] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think there are quite a few answers to that question, but I think one of the best ones is he clearly came from a home of faith.
[66:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So I told you his country was conquered, Israel, and he was taken as a captive to live as a slave in Babylon.
[66:32] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But just prior to the conquering of Israel, God blessed them with the reprieve and they had a national revival.
[66:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It came during the days of a king by the name of Josiah.
[66:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that would have been when Daniel was a little boy.
[66:45] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And all the memories he had of that, I don't know, but clearly there were some.
[66:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I even think of the name Daniel.
[66:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It means God is my judge.
[66:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it's interesting, when he got to Babylon, they wanted to give him a new name.
[66:57] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the name they gave him is Belteshazzar, which basically means I'm with Beltes.
[67:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: That was a false god from Babylon.
[67:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so there are some real indications that in his early life, there were parents that
[67:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We're careful to expose them to truth and to faith, and that stuck with them for a lifetime.
[67:14] Kim Monson: those foundational principles can stick with them.
[67:18] Kim Monson: Although you had mentioned that in our society, many times we send our kids off to these government schools and universities.
[67:27] Kim Monson: And somebody had, I think a friend of mine had this quote and said, why should we be surprised if we send our children to Caesar when they come back as little Caesars?
[67:38] Kim Monson: And so this whole education of our children is,
[67:41] Kim Monson: is so important, these foundational principles when they're young.
[67:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Yeah, for sure.
[67:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Go ahead.
[67:50] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think for Daniel, you know, that background in his life, that upbringing, gave him a sense of identity so that when the world said, look, you're no longer Daniel, you're Belteshazzar, and, you know, you're going to do it our way.
[68:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he basically was enrolled in Babylon University.
[68:07] Pastor Stephen Chappell: With all of that going on, he said, you know, I know who I am.
[68:10] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I think that's really the foundation, the starting point of someone building a life of faith that can stand the test of time.
[68:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think of Moses when he first encountered God at the burning bush.
[68:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And if you remember, the first question he asked of the Lord, which really was an excuse for being afraid to follow God, but he said, who am I?
[68:28] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when that got established and he understood, hey, this is who I am.
[68:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: that gave them the capacity to move forward.
[68:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so I often tell our church, it's not who you are, it's whose you are.
[68:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when you understand that you are the work of a creative God, that you're loved, that Jesus came to make a way so that we could be eternally saved, it gives a sense of purpose that at the end of the day is much more compelling than work, sleep, wake up, do it all again, and try and get as much stuff as you can, you know.
[69:02] Kim Monson: We're talking with Pastor Steve Chappell, and he is the senior pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California.
[69:10] Kim Monson: We're talking about his book, Offensive Faith, Taking Your Faith on the Offense in a World Trying to Keep You on the Defense.
[69:16] Kim Monson: He wrote this book with Jeremy Stalnecker.
[69:19] Kim Monson: These are important discussions, and we're blessed to have them because of great people.
[69:23] Kim Monson: And I'm talking with Jon Boesen with Boesen Law.
[69:26] Kim Monson: Boesen Law is a wonderful sponsor partner of the show.
[69:30] Kim Monson: And we are pre-recording all of these interviews for Holy Week.
[69:34] Kim Monson: And Jon Boesen, I'm thinking Holy Week and springtime new beginnings.
[69:41] Kim Monson: And I think that's one of the things that you help people with, with new beginnings after they've had something maybe tragic that's happened in their life.
[69:52] Jon Boesen: Yes, you kind of hit it on the head there, Kim.
[69:57] Jon Boesen: Our lawyers, myself, our team, our paralegals, our legal assistants, receptionists, everyone.
[70:04] Jon Boesen: We tell folks, not that they don't know this already, but they're going to have a little bit of a tough path for a while.
[70:11] Jon Boesen: But they've got to literally keep the faith that we will do everything that we can to help them get back on their feet, get back on track.
[70:21] Jon Boesen: The path they were on prior to whatever happened to them, it's a tough time for them.
[70:28] Jon Boesen: But again, it's making them the priority.
[70:32] Jon Boesen: I tell every client when they come in, we're going to do everything we need to do to get them compensated for what happened to them.
[70:41] Jon Boesen: But I want a lot more than that for them.
[70:43] Jon Boesen: I want them to have not a good experience, but a great experience with the firm.
[70:48] Jon Boesen: because it's such a tough time in somebody's life when they get involved in a motor vehicle accident or they have a family member that does or any kind of an accident where they're hurt and they're taken out of their normal routine.
[71:02] Jon Boesen: They may not be able to support the family.
[71:05] Jon Boesen: They may not be able to do any of the things that were fun in life, the passions, things that make us all smile.
[71:16] Jon Boesen: Life changes after an accident with injuries.
[71:20] Jon Boesen: And so our job is get them back on the path.
[71:24] Jon Boesen: First priority, they're with good doctors that have their interests at heart and want them to do nothing but get better and recover from whatever injuries they've suffered.
[71:40] Kim Monson: Well, I was going to ask you, what sets Boesen Law apart from other firms in your arena?
[71:50] Jon Boesen: Well, one that is very apparent is we are not a mill firm.
[71:57] Jon Boesen: We are not a firm that relies on volume.
[72:00] Jon Boesen: We take a limited number of clients, and it allows us to give the time and attention to the individual client that they deserve.
[72:10] Jon Boesen: It's not about run you in, run you out, get whatever you can as quickly as possible and be done with it.
[72:16] Jon Boesen: It's take the time, do things right.
[72:20] Jon Boesen: Big firms, small firms, they have to run people through.
[72:24] Jon Boesen: They have a million, million and a half, some rumored two million plus monthly budgets to market themselves.
[72:32] Jon Boesen: And they have to come up with that money every month.
[72:34] Jon Boesen: So they have to push people, get people through it.
[72:43] Jon Boesen: There are firms that will have lawyers that will go to trial, but we pride ourselves on if we don't get what our client needs, we don't hesitate.
[72:53] Jon Boesen: We talk to them about the pros and cons of going to trial, but that's what we do, and it makes a huge difference for our clients.
[73:02] Kim Monson: Probably even in the negotiations, I would think that if the opposing side is aware that you are willing to go to trial, that that can probably help the negotiations most of their many times.
[73:19] Jon Boesen: Insurance companies track every law firm, every lawyer's performance.
[73:27] Jon Boesen: Or do they just eventually crumble and accept whatever the insurance company tells them is their last and final offer?
[73:36] Jon Boesen: When you have trial lawyers, lawyers that will go to trial on your side, the insurance company weighs that.
[73:48] Jon Boesen: If they know that you're going to go the full distance for your client, they're absolutely going to negotiate and you
[73:55] Jon Boesen: be much more willing to be reasonable and put what needs to be on the table, get it resolved through negotiation as opposed to forcing us to file that lawsuit.
[74:05] Kim Monson: If people have been injured or also looking to get social security disability, what's the best way for them to reach you?
[74:15] Jon Boesen: Workers' compensation claims, motor vehicle collisions, social security disability, time is always of the essence.
[74:24] Jon Boesen: Again, that's Boesen Law 303-999-9999.
[74:32] Kim Monson: John, I wish you and yours a very blessed Easter.
[74:38] Jon Boesen: I wish the same to you, Kim, and all your listeners.
[74:43] Jon Boesen: Please, folks, remember what it's really all about, what the real priority in life is.
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[77:55] Kim Monson: We're talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell, and he is co-author of a book with Jeremy Stalnecker, Offensive Faith, Taking Your Faith on the Offense in a World Trying to Keep You on the Defense.
[78:09] Kim Monson: And one of the things in the book, Pastor Steve, that I think is important is
[78:15] Kim Monson: You made the point that you can't go on offense until you really know who you are.
[78:24] Kim Monson: I was going through a stressful time.
[78:27] Kim Monson: And it came to me that you are a daughter of the ever-living God, creator of the universe.
[78:37] Kim Monson: And at that point, it was a great...
[78:41] Kim Monson: And I'm embarrassed to say that it's taken me a while to get to that revelation, Pastor Steve.
[78:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Oh, no, that's just beautiful, Kim.
[78:50] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And really, we kind of have to come back and back to that.
[78:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And as you said that, I was thinking of David in the Bible, King David.
[78:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Prior to becoming the king, he was at a low point in his life.
[79:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He literally lost everything.
[79:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: All his friends had turned against him.
[79:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And there's just a statement there in that passage that says that he encouraged himself in the Lord.
[79:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And one great thought we get from that is his mind went to God.
[79:15] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Once he had tried everything else and lost everything, God was the one constant that was still with him.
[79:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And in Psalm 121, which David wrote, he said, I'll lift up mine eyes unto the hills from which cometh my help.
[79:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And then he says his help is the Lord who made heaven and earth.
[79:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when he said, I'll lift up mine eyes unto the hills, that particular psalm, it's called a psalm of ascent or a pilgrim psalm.
[79:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's what the Hebrews would sing as they walked up the hill to Jerusalem to worship.
[79:43] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But the hills were also what the pagans of the time where they thought their deities existed.
[79:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so David's looking at these hills, which are physical barriers and also potentially spiritual barriers.
[79:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the thought that comforts him is these hills, they're not barriers.
[79:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: My God made these hills.
[80:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: My God is bigger than these hills and better than these hills.
[80:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that understanding of
[80:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I've got a great God and I belong to him.
[80:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: That's what enabled him in time to be the overcomer that he became.
[80:14] Kim Monson: Well, and I think at this particular point in time, with all the stuff that's happening in our society, I think it's important that each and every person out there listening to this understands that they are perfectly made to
[80:32] Kim Monson: And they are perfectly loved by Christ.
[80:35] Kim Monson: And as we are into Easter week, as we're broadcasting this, we're pre-recording this.
[80:41] Kim Monson: But this is such a good time to understand that we are so loved by Christ that he actually went to the cross for each and every one of us.
[80:51] Kim Monson: And you mentioned David was at a low point.
[80:54] Kim Monson: Christ can come to people at their low point because he experienced everything on the cross.
[81:00] Kim Monson: He experienced his friends leaving him, everything stripped of him.
[81:04] Kim Monson: It had to break his heart to look at Mary.
[81:07] Kim Monson: And because she her heart had to be breaking to see him there.
[81:11] Kim Monson: He's experienced, you know, physical pain, physical challenges.
[81:18] Kim Monson: And so anybody that's going through those things, they can have faith in Christ to that.
[81:24] Kim Monson: He will walk alongside with them on that.
[81:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Oh, yeah.
[81:28] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is God, the son.
[81:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It says he was tempted or tested in every point.
[81:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: just like the rest of us.
[81:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: In other words, none of us can say to him, you don't know what I'm going through.
[81:40] Pastor Stephen Chappell: You don't know what I'm feeling because he's endured it all.
[81:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But that's why Easter is the hopeful time that we believe it to be.
[81:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: You know, Christmas is the promise and Easter is the proof.
[81:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when Jesus rose again from the dead, he literally, bodily, victoriously rose again.
[81:58] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And by doing so, he single-handedly defeated sin, death, hell, and the grave.
[82:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when God saw us in our sin, knowing that because he's a righteous and a holy God, he could never just excuse that.
[82:12] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And knowing that we never could then make our way to him, God became man without ceasing to be God.
[82:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He was born of a virgin.
[82:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He lived a sinless life.
[82:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he did, as you said, he went all the way to the cross, crucified on that rugged cross for us.
[82:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he was laid in a borrowed tomb and he borrowed it because he only needed it a few days.
[82:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So when we celebrate Easter, we're celebrating the fact that
[82:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He rose again.
[82:35] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I heard one pastor say, nobody thought they would go to the grave that day and find nobody.
[82:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So he did all he said he would do.
[82:45] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And through faith in him, we can be forgiven of sins, assured of a home in heaven.
[82:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We can then, back to the topic of identity we're talking about, we can understand where we fit in this great work that God is doing.
[82:57] Kim Monson: Pastor Steve, with that, in this great work, another revelation as I was working through this.
[83:04] Kim Monson: One, I am a daughter of the ever-living God, creator of the universe.
[83:10] Kim Monson: I believe in the resurrected Christ.
[83:17] Kim Monson: That's the third thing out of five that I came with.
[83:20] Kim Monson: And I think that that is something that you have addressed in this book is that we are here.
[83:28] Kim Monson: And then we are in our identity with Christ.
[83:32] Kim Monson: We are to engage in our society where we are right now.
[83:38] Kim Monson: And instead of keeping our head down and trying to not pay attention, we've got to engage.
[83:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: You know, I think a great example of that in the Word of God is found in the incredible story of Esther.
[83:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Esther in the Old Testament, she's living in a land as a Jewish woman, which meant she had no opportunity there to be the queen.
[83:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But God supernaturally, sovereignly saw fit for the king to basically have a fight with his wife and say, you're not going to be my queen anymore.
[84:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He has basically a beauty contest, and Esther gets elected.
[84:12] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And her mindset initially was, hey, just go along to get along, keep your head down, don't let the secret get out.
[84:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But she had a cousin named Mordecai who had basically raised her.
[84:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he finds this plot where there's a man in the kingdom.
[84:29] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's a great story.
[84:30] Pastor Stephen Chappell: If you haven't read the book of Esther, you should do it.
[84:32] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But there's a man in the kingdom named Haman, and he wants to kill all the Jewish people.
[84:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And Mordecai tells Esther this.
[84:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Esther, could it be that God brought you for such a time as this?
[84:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it was that thought, Esther thought, think of that, a sovereign God put me in a place I never could have got on my own.
[84:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he's got a purpose for me being here.
[84:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And now it's not the time to be quiet.
[84:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Now is the time to speak up.
[84:57] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Now, we've talked about this fact that the book is called Offensive Faith.
[85:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it's a play on words.
[85:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We're to be on the offense.
[85:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But many times people consider our faith to be offensive.
[85:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And Esther was so wise.
[85:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: She was never offensive.
[85:13] Pastor Stephen Chappell: She chose her words carefully, and God used her in an incredible, incredible way.
[85:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So yeah, that way you said it is exactly right.
[85:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We all have a purpose, and it's God's purpose, which is so big, He's got a place for each of us in it.
[85:28] Kim Monson: We're talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell, and he is the senior pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California.
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[89:06] Kim Monson: And we're talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell.
[89:10] Kim Monson: about his book, Offensive Faith, Taking Your Faith on the Offense in a World Trying to Keep You on the Defense.
[89:15] Kim Monson: He co-wrote this with Jeremy Stalnecker.
[89:18] Kim Monson: And you mentioned the story of Esther.
[89:20] Kim Monson: And it is a fascinating story in the Bible.
[89:24] Kim Monson: And Esther did win the beauty contest.
[89:27] Kim Monson: She was Jewish, but did not know that.
[89:37] Kim Monson: He was probably one of the bureaucrats, I would guess, in the administration there.
[89:42] Kim Monson: He came up with this plan to kill all the Jews.
[89:47] Kim Monson: And Esther's uncle said, you need to do something.
[89:51] Kim Monson: And so she was not passive on this at all.
[89:54] Kim Monson: She had decided to approach the king.
[89:57] Kim Monson: But in doing so, if you were not invited, it could be a death sentence.
[90:01] Kim Monson: So this was pretty amazing that she did this, Pastor Steve.
[90:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, she gets the news.
[90:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Of course, Mordecai, he's at the court gate, and the Bible says he's in sackcloth and ashes, which was a crime, essentially.
[90:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Anything that showed sadness was not to be within eyesight of the king.
[90:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so she understands, all right, the stakes are high.
[90:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: She gets the full understanding of what's going on, and she did a couple things that are very important.
[90:32] Pastor Stephen Chappell: One, she said, all right, I'm going to pray, and I want you guys to pray.
[90:35] Pastor Stephen Chappell: got people praying for her, and then she started to put this plan together.
[90:39] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But there was a statement in the midst of that that shows just how powerful she was.
[90:45] Pastor Stephen Chappell: She said, I know what's at stake.
[90:47] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I know what has to happen.
[90:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And here are her words.
[90:50] Pastor Stephen Chappell: If I perish, I perish.
[90:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: She said, I'd rather go down in a fight fighting than to just roll over and play dead.
[90:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it was courage like that that really went on.
[91:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And God used her to change the world in her time.
[91:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so she's a testimony to us in these days of what it is to live a courageous life.
[91:11] Kim Monson: Well, and finish the story out for listeners that are not familiar with that.
[91:15] Kim Monson: So Haman has what built gallows and what he wanted to hang Mordecai.
[91:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Exactly.
[91:24] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He just hated Mordecai.
[91:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It was a personal vendetta.
[91:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I won't get too deep into this, but as you study the Bible, there really is a history of just absolute hatred for the Jewish people.
[91:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so Haman was one of these men.
[91:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I think particularly in Old Testament times, I believe that was a conspiracy of Satan to take out the people through whom the Messiah, Jesus Christ, would be born.
[91:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so there was, you can see that all the way through.
[91:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But yeah, as Esther talks to the king, she exposes Haman for really the bad guy that he is.
[91:57] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the king ends up having Haman
[92:00] Pastor Stephen Chappell: hung on the very gallows he built to have Jewish people, Mordecai, others, hanged upon.
[92:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And at the end of the day, it became a great victory for the Jewish people.
[92:10] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And to this day, it's the Feast of Purim, and they go back to remember what Esther did and how God used it all.
[92:19] Kim Monson: And again, that is in the Old Testament, in the Bible.
[92:26] Kim Monson: There were those that were trying to have him punished for his faith.
[92:34] Kim Monson: I hadn't really thought about this.
[92:36] Kim Monson: He's a teenager and he's taken into captivity.
[92:39] Kim Monson: He's a slave, which means that and he was in the king's house.
[92:47] Kim Monson: And I think he and his colleagues had refused that they wanted to have their particular diet that was necessary for their faith.
[92:57] Kim Monson: But it says he was there for 70 years.
[93:00] Kim Monson: That's a lifetime that he was in captivity, Pastor Steve.
[93:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Correct.
[93:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And you know, the reason that diet was of such importance to them was the Jewish people at that time, they had dietary laws that had been given to them by God.
[93:15] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And what the system was doing to them at that time, I told you they changed their name and they wanted to change their diet.
[93:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They're saying essentially, you are no longer Jews, you belong to us.
[93:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But they knew that if that
[93:30] Pastor Stephen Chappell: diet were taken, their diet, it would make them ceremonially unclean before the Lord.
[93:35] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It would impact their worship with God.
[93:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so that was a bold stand on their part.
[93:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And, you know, Daniel, he did.
[93:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He remained faithful.
[93:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We talked about where did this all start?
[93:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, apparently with parents that loved God enough to name their son Daniel, which is a name of faith.
[93:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But we see that Daniel, in the midst of this great story of his life, he's got some good friends around him.
[93:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego is good friends.
[94:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I think one key we need to remain encouraged and faithful in our lives is to get some good people around us.
[94:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Now, it's got to all begin with God.
[94:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But then God created something wonderful, the church.
[94:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it wasn't invented by a pastor or a denomination.
[94:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The Bible tells us it was established by the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ.
[94:22] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so he made the church not because it's something he wants from us.
[94:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's something he wants for us.
[94:28] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But back in Daniel's day, he had those friends.
[94:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I love the story of Daniel.
[94:35] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It speaks of his friends, and they're commanded they need to worship a false idol, and they refuse, and the penalty is to be thrown into this burning, fiery furnace.
[94:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, they're thrown in there, and the king looks in, and he says, I thought we threw three in.
[94:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I see four.
[94:50] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And then he says, and the fourth looks like the Son of God.
[94:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: How he would have known what the Son of God looked like, I have no idea.
[94:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But he said, there's four in there.
[94:57] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I think that fourth one looks like God.
[94:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it says that they were bound, but all the cords were burned off.
[95:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it said they were walking in the midst of the fire.
[95:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Kim, here's the question.
[95:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: If they had the cords burned away and they were free, why were they walking around in the fire instead of walking out of the fire?
[95:16] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I can only conclude the answer is they would have rather been in a fire with God than outside of a fire without God.
[95:24] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that's, again, this idea of a burning courage to just boldly go and be and speak as God would have, because ultimately our confidence, it's not in us.
[95:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's in our God.
[95:38] Kim Monson: That is, I'm going to have to ruminate on that one, Pastor Stephen.
[95:43] Kim Monson: Well, okay, so we have fiery furnaces and now we also have being thrown into a den of lions.
[95:51] Kim Monson: Was it one lion or was it more with Daniel?
[95:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's unclear to me, but yeah, it seems like there were several.
[96:00] Kim Monson: And so he is thrown in because a trap was set for him as well.
[96:05] Kim Monson: And I can't quite remember what had happened with that.
[96:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, again, very pertinent to our time.
[96:12] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The government, as it were, made a law that people could not pray only to the king.
[96:19] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, Daniel was famous.
[96:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: This law was made with him in mind because three times a day, Daniel would go to God in prayer.
[96:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And as was his custom, he would go and open the window and he would look towards his homeland and he would spend time with God in prayer.
[96:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And knowing the consequences,
[96:35] Pastor Stephen Chappell: he did as he had always done and the penalty of course was being thrown in the den of lions the king figures out what's going on and he doesn't want to lose daniel daniel's a great asset to the kingdom and a friend of his and yet he made this law that couldn't they couldn't go back on it and so in the morning as the king checks on daniel and sees he's alive he rejoices but let's just think of of the thought of brilliant nation
[97:00] Pastor Stephen Chappell: trying to make legislation that's going to impact people of faith and how they practice their faith.
[97:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it makes you wonder, what would we do and how would we respond?
[97:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I just love that Daniel was the kind of man who, like Esther, basically said, hey, if I perish, I perish, but I'm not going to do that which is wrong.
[97:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I'm going to do what God would have, and I'm going to let the chips fall where they will.
[97:22] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so he went ahead and prayed with that window wide open so everybody can see.
[97:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And at the end of the day, the power of God was vindicated.
[97:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it always, always pays to serve God.
[97:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's always in our best interest.
[97:37] Kim Monson: So, Pastor Stephen, as you're talking about this, this law was made.
[97:42] Kim Monson: And you also address this in the book that we have government.
[97:51] Kim Monson: realize what they came up with was so radical in the history of man.
[97:58] Kim Monson: They said, what if we would have a country where the people would be the king, that we would not have a king, that the people would be in charge of governing themselves?
[98:13] Kim Monson: And in doing so, then they came up with the Bill of Rights and
[98:17] Kim Monson: And in that, there was freedom of religion.
[98:20] Kim Monson: And so when we say made a law, we need to make sure that the laws that we are making and the ordinances that we're passing, even to the municipal level, adhere to this vision of the Declaration of Independence.
[98:33] Kim Monson: Because if, in fact, in Babylon, where Daniel was, if he had freedom of religion, he would not have ended up in the den of lions, right?
[98:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Correct.
[98:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Yeah, you know, sometimes I hear people say America is a democracy, and I always kind of cringe, and sometimes I'll say something, sometimes I'll let it go.
[98:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We're a constitutional republic, and what is so wonderful about that is it's the people, and there's representation, and I believe that it's that form of government set up by our forefathers that has allowed us to sustain some pretty difficult times, and even in these days, which
[99:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: As a pastor, I believe theologically, we're in the days the Bible calls the last days.
[99:19] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's helped us preserve freedom to do what we do.
[99:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I believe that'll erode in time.
[99:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But for this time, how grateful I am for our country, for the freedoms we've had.
[99:32] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And as we come up on the 250th,
[99:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: anniversary of our country, we're going to celebrate that as a church from this standpoint.
[99:39] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We are so grateful that God has allowed us to be a part of the nation that gives us the freedom to come to church every Sunday without fear to sing, without fear to have preaching and teaching, without fear to live our lives before God.
[99:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And is the tide turning?
[99:52] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I don't know.
[99:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: If it does, I pray we'll have the courage to continue to do just what God would have us to do.
[99:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But for now, I'm just grateful that we live in a land where we have representation and we have freedom.
[100:04] Kim Monson: And we need to engage in, be good citizens and engage in what's going on there.
[100:11] Kim Monson: I coined the term, I question, are we living on the fumes of freedom?
[100:17] Kim Monson: We have such a blessed life here in America.
[100:21] Kim Monson: And I think people have not really thought about what...
[100:25] Kim Monson: what has gone into us having these blessed lives right now, the blood and treasure that's been spent for us to have this liberty.
[100:35] Kim Monson: And I would challenge us not to live on the fumes of freedom, but in fact, that we protect this freedom.
[100:42] Kim Monson: A friend of mine said, what liberty is, is liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom.
[100:46] Kim Monson: Freedom doesn't mean that you get to do just whatever you want to when you want to, Pastor Steve.
[100:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: That's a great definition.
[100:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And you know, it's interesting.
[100:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think the first
[100:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: national election I paid any attention to as a kid was the election between President Reagan and at that time, President Carter.
[101:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I remember talking to my dad about that.
[101:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he literally told me, he said, son, I really believe they're both very good men.
[101:10] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he was more conservative minded.
[101:13] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that was the first one I paid attention to.
[101:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But basically, he said, these are two men that want the best for America.
[101:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They both profess faith in Jesus.
[101:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They just have a different way to achieve the same goal.
[101:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, today, it seems to me
[101:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: that the goal is not the same.
[101:29] Pastor Stephen Chappell: There really does seem to be such stark sides where, yeah, I thank God for good things that seem to be happening today, but
[101:40] Pastor Stephen Chappell: that could change so quickly.
[101:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I don't want us to become so comfortable as Christians that we lose our ability to stand and to do right.
[101:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: You know, Kim, I think of what's happening in Iran right now, and I'm not a geopolitical expert.
[101:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I really try to look at these things through the lens of faith.
[101:57] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I'm encouraged at what could take place with the gospel there.
[102:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But the reality is, the greatest revivals in the world are happening in Iran and China right now.
[102:07] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And
[102:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Many times, comfortable Christians, they're not the ones that are getting things done for God.
[102:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's often those living in places where there is persecution and difficulty.
[102:19] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And God can do a big work.
[102:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We just want to be faithful where we are with what we have for the glory of God.
[102:25] Kim Monson: And God has put us where we are by divine appointment.
[102:30] Kim Monson: And we're to step forward into this each and every day.
[102:33] Kim Monson: We're talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell.
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[106:44] Kim Monson: We're talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell, and he is the senior pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California.
[106:51] Kim Monson: We've been talking about his book,
[106:53] Kim Monson: Offensive Faith, Taking Your Faith on the Offense in a World Trying to Keep You on the Defense.
[106:59] Kim Monson: And you can buy this book at Amazon.
[107:01] Kim Monson: But this is not the only book that you've written, Pastor Steve.
[107:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Correct.
[107:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think there's eight altogether now.
[107:09] Kim Monson: Well done, because it takes a lot to make that happen.
[107:13] Kim Monson: And again, you can find all these books at Amazon.com.
[107:17] Kim Monson: We're pre-recording these shows for Easter week.
[107:20] Kim Monson: And let's talk a little bit about what does Easter mean for humankind?
[107:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's the greatest news there is.
[107:30] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I think of the New Testament book of Acts.
[107:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It was written by a man who was a doctor and a historian and
[107:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And he begins by saying Jesus showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs.
[107:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And it's interesting that Luke didn't delineate many of the proofs up front.
[107:47] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He talks more about some later.
[107:49] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But he said there were many.
[107:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: People knew.
[107:52] Pastor Stephen Chappell: People saw him.
[107:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And one of the great evidences of the resurrection is that the followers of Jesus, we think of his disciples or apostles, the original 12.
[108:01] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Of course, Judas was a betrayer.
[108:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But the others...
[108:04] Pastor Stephen Chappell: all gave their lives, most of them in a martyr's death, not for what they thought or hoped, but for what they knew to be true.
[108:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: They personally saw the resurrected Savior.
[108:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Later, the Bible tells us that Jesus showed himself alive to more than 500 people at one time.
[108:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so because of the lives they lived and the deaths they died in faith, I find great encouragement from their testimony.
[108:28] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the gospel is Jesus Christ is God the Son.
[108:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He came to die for us so that we could know what it is to be eternally saved.
[108:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the reality is, Kim, we're all imperfect.
[108:40] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We're all what the Bible calls sinners.
[108:42] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The Bible says, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
[108:47] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But the good news is the Bible tells us in Romans chapter 5 and verse 8 that God loves us so much.
[108:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: that he died for our sins.
[108:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: In fact, the construction in that verse is while we were in the very act of sinning, Christ died for us.
[109:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the Bible says, whosoever shall call upon him shall be saved.
[109:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Spiritual salvation is not repeating a prayer.
[109:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It really is belief.
[109:12] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's accepting Jesus for who he claimed to be.
[109:15] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But we can be spiritually born again when we understand
[109:18] Pastor Stephen Chappell: that we're sinners, that we need a Savior, that Jesus is that Savior who came and lived and died and rose again for us.
[109:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when we go to him, the Bible says, whosoever shall call upon him shall be saved.
[109:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that's not just speaking of any prayer.
[109:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's that specific one.
[109:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Jesus, I know I'm a sinner.
[109:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Please forgive me of my sins.
[109:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Commence my life.
[109:39] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I accept you as my Lord and Savior.
[109:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And a prayer from a sincere heart like that
[109:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: always heard by Jesus.
[109:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the answer is always yes.
[109:47] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And you can know the joy of a relationship with God that not only brings his presence into this life, but gives you the assurance of an eternal life with him.
[110:03] Kim Monson: things that I think have kept some people from going to church because they've looked at people, Christians that go to church and they're like, they're sinners, they're imperfect.
[110:14] Kim Monson: That should never prevent somebody from going to a gospel-believing church.
[110:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Right.
[110:21] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I've been told often there's hypocrites at church.
[110:23] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And of course, that's an accurate statement.
[110:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But I often follow that up with saying, well, there's hypocrites at Walmart too when you go there.
[110:30] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The fact is, anywhere there are people, there's going to be problems.
[110:34] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I say the gospel light attracts strange bugs sometimes.
[110:37] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So anywhere you go where there's people, I'll say sometimes also, hey, if you ever find a perfect church, whatever you do, don't join it because you'll be the one who ruined it.
[110:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: People have problems.
[110:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But the good news of Jesus is he can change our lives.
[110:51] Pastor Stephen Chappell: There's three parts of spiritual salvation.
[110:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The first one the Bible calls justifications.
[110:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that's really where it's just as if I'd never been a sinner.
[111:00] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He saves us from that.
[111:02] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But then that moves into sanctification.
[111:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so that's the process where God, in the course of our life, he matures us spiritually and it ends in glorification.
[111:14] Pastor Stephen Chappell: That's when we're forever in the presence of God.
[111:17] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so God wants to do work in our lives.
[111:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And as we fellowship with him, walk with him, he can change us.
[111:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: in the course of time.
[111:26] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And in any church community, there's people on every end of that spectrum of growth.
[111:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And then we all have it within us to go backwards from time to time, and I've certainly done that.
[111:37] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But I want to make sure that
[111:39] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I live my life as God would have.
[111:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: So the best way to do that is to follow his teaching, which tells me I need to spend time in the word daily.
[111:46] Pastor Stephen Chappell: I need to talk to him in prayer.
[111:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And then I need to understand the church that he created is not something he wants from me.
[111:53] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Just another thing to do.
[111:54] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He established it for me because it's a place where I can get with brothers and sisters in Christ.
[111:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the Bible in the book of Hebrews says it's where we can provoke one another to love and good works.
[112:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so there's a great blessing found for me when I just acknowledge, hey, there's going to be some nutty people at church, like there's nutty people everywhere.
[112:12] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But I want to go there, do my best to love them and to receive love from them as well.
[112:20] Kim Monson: And that is ultimately that to live with Christ, everlasting life with Christ, because he rose from the dead, he overcame sin and death for each and every individual.
[112:33] Kim Monson: And when I'm walking around and just looking at all the different people and, you know, tall, short, fat, skinny, all these different things,
[112:43] Kim Monson: It's mind-boggling to me that he went to the cross for each and every one of us.
[112:54] Kim Monson: It's mind-boggling to me, Pastor Steve.
[112:58] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It is.
[112:59] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It's overwhelming.
[113:00] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And, you know, our church, we have a Good Friday service.
[113:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I thought, why do we call this good?
[113:05] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It was, you know, the most horrible event ever.
[113:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Well, it was good for us.
[113:10] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I often tell our church,
[113:11] Pastor Stephen Chappell: The empty tomb will never look so beautiful to you as if you take the time to walk by an old rugged cross on the way to that tomb.
[113:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And, you know, the Bible says that Jesus became sin for us.
[113:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And the idea in that word is it looked becoming on him.
[113:29] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It looked as though it fit.
[113:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And what Jesus endured for us, I mean, how abhorrent.
[113:37] Pastor Stephen Chappell: to God the Son, to have the sins of the world placed on him.
[113:41] Pastor Stephen Chappell: But what that does, it illustrates his love for us, the power to save, the power in the shedding of his blood, the Bible says, which is necessary for the remission of sins.
[113:55] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And just as there were sacrifices routinely up to that time, after Jesus, there's no more need for sacrifice.
[114:03] Pastor Stephen Chappell: He was the Lamb of God, John called him.
[114:06] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And when his blood was shed,
[114:08] Pastor Stephen Chappell: It contained enough power that whoever comes to him in faith can be forgiven of sins and born again into a relationship with him.
[114:17] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I love that statement, born again.
[114:20] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Jesus used that in John 3, right before that famous verse of John 3, 16, you know.
[114:25] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that's the word picture he chose.
[114:27] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And I love the word picture of that because it happens at a point in time.
[114:31] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And so the question could be asked,
[114:33] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Have you been born again into the family of God?
[114:36] Pastor Stephen Chappell: What would your birth certificate say?
[114:38] Pastor Stephen Chappell: When did that happen?
[114:39] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And then it shows this idea of we're in a family.
[114:43] Pastor Stephen Chappell: We're in a family.
[114:44] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And once you're in a family, you can't get thrown out of a family.
[114:48] Pastor Stephen Chappell: That biology, that DNA, it's going to be with you forever.
[114:52] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that brings the idea of an eternal security in a relationship with God.
[114:56] Pastor Stephen Chappell: And that's just a great word picture Jesus used to help us understand that.
[115:01] Kim Monson: Pastor Stephen Chappell, this has been absolutely fascinating.
[115:05] Kim Monson: Wish you and your family a very blessed Easter.
[115:09] Pastor Stephen Chappell: Thank you so much, Kim.
[115:11] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from Charles Spurgeon.
[115:13] Kim Monson: He says, my faith rests not in what I am or shall be or feel or know, but in what Christ is and what he has done and what he is doing for me.
[115:22] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice and the American way.
[115:35] Kim Monson: God bless you and God bless America.
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