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[01:59] Kim Monson: We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity as we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[02:09] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it.
[02:13] Kim Monson: And it's never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives, via force.
[02:24] Kim Monson: And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites that is playing out all the way down to municipalities.
[02:42] Kim Monson: And you can look at land use codes and ordinances.
[02:49] Kim Monson: All of those things are the agenda of the World Economic Forum, which wants to take away the freedom of everyday individuals to be able to pursue their hopes and dreams.
[03:00] Kim Monson: It's a direct assault upon the American idea.
[03:03] Kim Monson: Instead of taking the American idea that has allowed more people to get out of poverty than any other society in the history of man.
[03:16] Kim Monson: Instead, the World Economic Forum and globalist elites want to tear that down.
[03:21] Kim Monson: Instead of bringing everybody up in the world, they want to actually, and the way to do that would be through liberty, the responsible exercise of freedom.
[03:30] Kim Monson: They want to tear down the United States.
[03:32] Kim Monson: And so we see that across the spectrum, and that's why we do the show, is to talk about these issues.
[03:38] Kim Monson: Now, we focus on the issues, and we'll mention the people pushing those issues, but we stay out of the personality fighting because we think that that's super important.
[03:47] Kim Monson: Our word of the day is erratum, and it is spelled E-R-R-A-T-U-M, and it is a noun.
[03:56] Kim Monson: It's an error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a list of corrections and bound into a book.
[04:02] Kim Monson: Number two, an error or mistake in writing or printing.
[04:06] Kim Monson: And number three, an error, especially one in printed work.
[04:10] Kim Monson: So I will use this in a sentence today, and that is when I saw the headline that a federal judge rejects the freedom bid by imprisoned former Colorado election clerk Tina Peters.
[04:24] Kim Monson: I was hoping it was an erratum, but it's not.
[04:26] Kim Monson: Apparently the judge says she has to exhaust all avenues in state court, is my understanding, and meanwhile she is languishing in prison while she would really like to be out on bond as she appeals her case.
[04:42] Kim Monson: But she's been in prison at least a year.
[04:46] Kim Monson: She received a nine-year sentence, which is pretty significant.
[04:52] Kim Monson: And that is why at this Christmas time, she maybe only had a traffic ticket before this whole thing.
[05:00] Kim Monson: And I actually, we know each other.
[05:04] Kim Monson: And years ago, before she ran for Mesa County Clerk and Recorder, I was at a meeting and we were at the cocktail hour.
[05:13] Kim Monson: And she said, you know what, Kim, I think that I am going to run for Mesa County Clerk and recorder because I think I can reduce wait times at the DMV.
[05:26] Kim Monson: Whoever dreamed that her journey would end up where she's languishing in prison right now, because she was attempting to do what she thought was the right thing, and that was to preserve election records.
[05:42] Kim Monson: And my friends, if we do not have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections in our country.
[05:49] Kim Monson: We don't have a representative government because our voices are not heard.
[05:53] Kim Monson: And so we need to be assured that they're free, fair, honest, and transparent.
[05:58] Kim Monson: And as you know, I've been very concerned about our elections.
[06:01] Kim Monson: And that is why we have two lawsuits regarding the elections here in Colorado.
[06:07] Kim Monson: One, and thank you to all of you who contributed the money for this first lawsuit to Unite for Freedom, formerly United Sovereign Americans, where they went through and volunteers went through election records and have proof that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for our elections.
[06:33] Kim Monson: It's going back and forth in court.
[06:35] Kim Monson: As you can see, it can take a long time.
[06:37] Kim Monson: But I'm glad that we have that lawsuit there.
[06:40] Kim Monson: And again, proof that we're not meeting those minimum standards.
[06:45] Kim Monson: And then our other lawsuit with Peter Bernaker through the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice was in the 2024 election.
[06:54] Kim Monson: We went through and we have proof that 14,500 people, it was a very targeted list, voted who should not have received ballots.
[07:02] Kim Monson: And so these election records are really important.
[07:07] Kim Monson: And so that's why I've been thinking about this from a humanitarian standpoint.
[07:14] Kim Monson: We need to call on Governor Polis to release her.
[07:20] Kim Monson: And so there is a petition that you can sign and share to go to KimMonson.
[07:29] Kim Monson: And there's a red banner at the top.
[07:31] Kim Monson: It says sign the petition to release Tina Peters before Christmas.
[07:34] Kim Monson: And this petition is being run through me.
[07:38] Kim Monson: So it's not any third-party petition organization that is capturing your emails.
[07:46] Kim Monson: We will not be sharing those with anyone.
[07:49] Kim Monson: And you can sign the petition, and there is tremendous interest in this.
[07:55] Kim Monson: And you do not only have to live in Colorado to sign this.
[07:59] Kim Monson: People from all over the country can sign it because Polis wants to run for national office.
[08:05] Kim Monson: There are those that have said that he wants to run for president.
[08:08] Kim Monson: Then one of our listeners said that yesterday that he might want to be Gavin Newsom's running mate for president.
[08:16] Kim Monson: And so he is and he watches politics.
[08:20] Kim Monson: And so having a lot of people sign this petition, and we are calling on him to release Tina Peters by Christmas Eve.
[08:28] Kim Monson: Sign that, share it, and let's get as many signatures on this as possible.
[08:33] Kim Monson: and we pray for the good Lord to cover this whole petition process with his guidance.
[08:40] Kim Monson: And so our quote of the day, I went to, oh gosh, here, it's Jeremiah, and I didn't write it all down.
[08:50] Kim Monson: It's Jeremiah, I know the plans that I have for you.
[08:57] Kim Monson: Okay, I came across this book that I've had for a long time, and it's The Art of Abundance.
[09:07] Kim Monson: And so I pulled this, and now it's Jeremiah.
[09:09] Kim Monson: I'll get it for you in the meantime.
[09:15] Kim Monson: I know the plans I have for you, they are plans for your good, not to destroy you or bring evil to you.
[09:22] Kim Monson: These are plans for a future full of hope and for promise.
[09:24] Kim Monson: And that, again, that is Jeremiah 2911, and that's our quote of the day.
[09:31] Kim Monson: Headlines, again, Tina Peters is probably front and center on this, the fact that a federal judge rejects her freedom bid and she has requested a presidential pardon.
[09:45] Kim Monson: And meanwhile, we just have to take some action here and ask for her release.
[09:52] Kim Monson: This evening in Elbert County is the meeting of the PUC, the Public Utilities Commission, regarding this land grab by Xcel Energy for a transmission line.
[10:05] Kim Monson: And it begins at 5 o'clockat the Elbert, the Ag building at the Elbert County Fairgrounds.
[10:13] Kim Monson: And it's slated to, it'll go for as long as need be.
[10:20] Kim Monson: This is, again, this is so important.
[10:22] Kim Monson: We are seeing these huge land grabs under the narrative of affordable housing or these transmission lines, renewable energy.
[10:30] Kim Monson: So these huge solar and wind industrial complexes.
[10:37] Kim Monson: And if you really look at this, it's, again, it's a connection to the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites that really taking away property rights.
[10:50] Kim Monson: Now, one of you had asked me to check on who owns Xcel Energy.
[11:19] Kim Monson: Butthat BlackRock right there, connect that dot.
[11:26] Kim Monson: Larry Fink is very involved with BlackRock.
[11:33] Kim Monson: He's also the head of the World Economic Forum.
[11:37] Kim Monson: The World Economic Forum does not want everyday people to have property rights.
[11:44] Kim Monson: One of the ways to do a wealth transfer is to make the power that powers our lives more and more expensive.
[11:49] Kim Monson: And so that's why there's been this war on the naturally occurring hydrocarbons, such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
[11:57] Kim Monson: So this evening, this is a really important meeting, 5 o'clock out inKiowa, regarding this particular land grab by Xcel Energy.
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[15:55] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Kevin Lundberg.
[15:58] Kim Monson: He is the author of the Lundberg Report.
[16:06] Kevin Lundberg: It's good being with you on this almost winter morning that I don't know what weather you've got down south, but I'm up north, northern Colorado, and the wind is blowing, but the temperature is great.
[16:20] Kim Monson: Sounds like western Kansas, which is where I grew up.
[16:28] Kevin Lundberg: Yeah, as far as the wind goes, it's a windy day today, but we're going to enjoy it.
[16:42] Kevin Lundberg: We're watching the world go by in a very fast fashion.
[16:45] Kim Monson: Well, there is a lot of news out there.
[16:47] Kim Monson: But first and foremost, Tina Peters, a former Mesa County clerk and recorder, is really in the news.
[16:56] Kim Monson: She is languishing in this prison in Pueblo.
[16:59] Kim Monson: And we had her attorney and John Case and Linda Good, the paralegal on the case, on the show last week.
[17:10] Kim Monson: And I just was troubled as John was describing her health because she maybe had a traffic ticket before this whole issue.
[17:21] Kim Monson: And now she is languishing with a nine year sentence in prison.
[17:25] Kim Monson: And the county clerks association had issued a letter asking Polis not to let her out.
[17:34] Kim Monson: And the reason is it's a freedom of speech issue.
[17:39] Kim Monson: If, if, if, if, what she's saying has no credence, then it seems like they should, you know, engage in the the public square to talk about that, but instead they want to keep her in prison.
[17:53] Kim Monson: And there's just something really inhumane about that.
[17:57] Kim Monson: And so I thought about it all weekend and decided to come up with a petition to call on Polis to exhibit some mercy and compassion and kindness to her and release her by Christmas Eve.
[18:12] Kim Monson: And no matter what you think about the whole issue out there, this is the human thing to do, I think, Kevin Lumberg.
[18:25] Kevin Lundberg: As a matter of fact, I personally composed a letter to the governor several months ago that said, I mean, it wasn't talking about Christmas of 2025 and saying, free her, please issue a pardon.
[18:43] Kevin Lundberg: If you look at the facts, I mean, this is, I think people are finally figuring this out.
[18:51] Kevin Lundberg: I don't think that the, you know, the major news sources will ever admit that there's a problem here.
[19:00] Kevin Lundberg: But you and I know, and I'm certain that on your program, where you had John Case, who was Tina's attorney, who conducted that trial, where she was convicted, I'm sure that he told you and your listeners that the judge would not allow the jury to know a lot of very important facts as to why she did it and how she did it, and what the laws are that required her to preserve the records of the election.
[19:40] Kevin Lundberg: You know, if you go back to the 2020 election, when Tina was the clerk in Mesa County, she had been convinced by- you know, all of the clerks systems in the state and the secretary of state- that they had the quote gold standard of election systems and that everything was, you know, just as accurate as humanly possible.
[20:07] Kevin Lundberg: That's what she was convinced of until some of her constituents after the election presented the facts to her, that there are big, big questions as to how the system's really working here in Colorado.
[20:23] Kevin Lundberg: And then when she was informed that the system, that all the software on her server was going to be essentially replaced, and she didn't know that for sure, but a significant change to the software was coming, what they called the trusted build.
[20:49] Kevin Lundberg: And she had been alerted by some people that that that could be a big problem and you need to preserve the records.
[20:57] Kevin Lundberg: And so she did everything in her power to do just that and tried to do it through her staff and through the secretary of state's office, and, curiously or ironically, that was one of the major thing- uh um, charges that they laid against her was was an attempt to influence a public official.
[21:20] Kevin Lundberg: And what that means is she was trying to get her staff and the Secretary of State's office to agree to allow her to preserve the records.
[21:33] Kevin Lundberg: And that's what they did to virtually every other county in the state of Colorado.
[21:40] Kevin Lundberg: You know, there are some exceptions, but very rare.
[21:45] Kevin Lundberg: In other words, nobody else actually did what she did to create this record and then pass it on to others who could look at it from a third party perspective and discover that tens of thousands of election records were destroyed in that process.
[22:06] Kevin Lundberg: Yes, the governor should do the exact opposite of what he's doing.
[22:11] Kevin Lundberg: He says he's pushing back, and I don't know who's calling the shots, but the way Tina has been treated in prison, given her age and her health situation, you know, she went through serious cancer treatment for lung cancer nearly 10 years ago, and now the same symptoms are returning, and she's concerned.
[22:41] Kevin Lundberg: I'm gonna go a step further, right here and right now and say that if anything happens to tina in prison, I believe the governor should be personally responsible for the consequences, and I don't mean he just has to say: oh, I'm sorry, no, and I've been, you know, racking my brain as to how this fits within the legal structure of of of the laws for the state of colorado, and the only thing I can say is he is the executive of the state for the government.
[23:14] Kevin Lundberg: And he is very well aware of what's happening here.
[23:18] Kevin Lundberg: And I cannot believe that how she's been treated and his flat-out refusal to, one, because the federal government has said, put her in our care.
[23:33] Kevin Lundberg: And now I heard a rumor, and I'm going to call it a rumor because I haven't seen enough facts to substantiate it.
[23:43] Kevin Lundberg: But just yesterday I heard that she may have been placed back into solitary confinement, quote, for her own safety.
[23:52] Kevin Lundberg: Yeah, put her in a little box, lock her up, don't allow her to have any interaction with other people or be able to walk around and do what most of the people in the prison are allowed to do.
[24:14] Kevin Lundberg: If they were really concerned about that, they would move her from that facility to probably a medical facility would be the very best.
[24:23] Kevin Lundberg: And they do have those things in the Colorado Department of Corrections.
[24:27] Kevin Lundberg: You know, it's not like, oh, well, we, you know, we we can't treat anybody.
[24:33] Kevin Lundberg: No, they have, you know, I don't know, what is it, 10, 20, 30 thousand people in prison?
[24:38] Kevin Lundberg: I don't know the number right now, but it's a big enough population that they are structured for people in any level of health situation.
[24:50] Kevin Lundberg: And and they've been virtually ignoring her situation.
[24:55] Kevin Lundberg: I'm not going in all the details of it, but I know that a she is innocent of of these absurd kangaroo court charges and the jury was not allowed to know what the circumstance was, and the governor knows very well that he could do something to at least preserve her health and and her mental health in this whole situation.
[25:25] Kevin Lundberg: And the federal government is standing by and saying, hey, we need Tina to be looked after in a much better way.
[25:32] Kevin Lundberg: I'll tell you, if anything happens to Tina, as I say, he needs to be held personally responsible.
[25:40] Kevin Lundberg: If there's no legal mechanism for that, then morally, ethically, and in every other level, the people of Colorado need to hold him accountable for his actions.
[25:51] Kevin Lundberg: You are not immune from your responsibilities because you sit in the governor's chair.
[26:00] Kevin Lundberg: And Jared, you better live up to that one, because if you don't, there is significant consequence that will occur somewhere, somehow.
[26:16] Kim Monson: I want to just and you are not calling for any kind of violence at all.
[26:24] Kim Monson: Kevin Lundberg, those consequences will be in the ballot box.
[26:28] Kim Monson: And and then I think just also legal.
[26:37] Kevin Lundberg: And polis will probably not be running for any office.
[26:40] Kevin Lundberg: I, uh, I mean he might you never know he's got the shrewd character, but everything I get from kind of the inside track is he's probably run his course at this point.
[26:50] Kevin Lundberg: But but we cannot just let this go and say oh ho hum, things happen in prison.
[27:10] Kevin Lundberg: Actually, they are not, though, because she's gained such a megaphone of attention through this.
[27:15] Kevin Lundberg: And the issue that they're trying to sweep under the rug is actually growing and growing.
[27:22] Kevin Lundberg: You know, the letter I wrote to Polis was to say, hey, put this behind us, please.
[27:31] Kevin Lundberg: I don't mean all of the election irregularities, but as far as Tina's role, I thought the merciful best way for this to be handled is for the governor to say, OK, we will let her go.
[27:44] Kevin Lundberg: So he's not going to win the public relations battle by somehow continuing to hold her.
[28:01] Kim Monson: Well, and I was thinking about it, Kevin, while here we are in Advent season, coming up to Christmas, and people are shopping and they're going to parties.
[28:13] Kim Monson: And here's Tina languishing in prison because she was trying to preserve the election records, which are so important.
[28:23] Kim Monson: If we do not have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, we don't have America anymore.
[28:28] Kim Monson: And I did Bible verses today for our quote of the day.
[28:33] Kim Monson: The one for the end of the show is from Luke 1248.
[28:37] Kim Monson: And that is, to whom much is given, much is required.
[28:39] Kim Monson: And that's why we put together this petition.
[28:45] Kim Monson: And we need to sign this petition, go to KimMonson.
[28:53] Kim Monson: We as fellow human beings call upon Governor Jared Polis to exhibit kindness, compassion, and mercy to Tina Peters by granting her release.
[29:03] Kim Monson: Release her immediately so that she may seek the medical treatment she needs, including care for a possible return of cancer.
[29:11] Kim Monson: and allow her the opportunity to visit her hospitalized 97-year-old mother.
[29:18] Kim Monson: com, sign the petition, share it with 10 people, and we are requesting that he release her by Christmas Eve.
[29:27] Kim Monson: And so I think that's really important.
[29:29] Kim Monson: We're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg regarding his great Lundberg report that comes out on Saturdays.
[29:37] Kim Monson: and the PUC came up with the Clean Heat Plan, which I am renaming the Unaffordable Plan to Keep Coloradans in the Dark and Cold.
[29:48] Kim Monson: And so we'll talk about that when we come back.
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[32:34] Kim Monson: Com and we're talking with kevin lundberg, former state senator.
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[32:45] Kim Monson: And uh, this is, uh, this is shocking in a way, and it's not because we're in colorado but the colorado.
[32:52] Kim Monson: This is from um by jake fogelman, which you linked in your article over at complete Colorado, that the Colorado Public Utilities Commission issued a formal decision updating the state emissions targets under its first in the nation clean heat plan.
[33:10] Kim Monson: The decision established by that rule says that Colorado utilities must reduce their greenhouse gas emissions by 41 percent.
[33:24] Kim Monson: This is going to make the power for our lives less affordable.
[33:32] Kim Monson: When we have all these politicians and bureaucrats and interest parties, you know, talk about making life affordable for Coloradans, affordable housing or whatever, we're realizing that it's actually government and bureaucracies that is making life more expensive, more unaffordable for Coloradans.
[33:47] Kim Monson: So walk us through this, Kevin Lumberg.
[33:51] Kevin Lundberg: Well, I actually think you're being too kind to the Colorado Public Utilities Commission, the PUC, by saying it'll simply make it more affordable.
[34:10] Kevin Lundberg: But they, through regulations, came up with this idea that they want a 41%reduction in essentially the use of natural gas in the state by 2035.
[34:30] Kevin Lundberg: And it is probably beyond the length of time that the members of the PUC commission will be in office or, you know, our governor who appoints these people.
[34:45] Kevin Lundberg: But in order for something like that to occur, it would have to be put into action immediately.
[34:57] Kevin Lundberg: Well, for residences, almost half of of the the, the homes in the in the state, need to have their furnaces ripped out and replaced by some sort of a heat pump system and and of course, this is on top of the fact that they're requiring all of the coal- firedpower plants to be shut down by 2030..
[35:25] Kevin Lundberg: And that being so close really is already in, you know, in the in process, you might say.
[35:32] Kevin Lundberg: You know, I think it's going to be kind of like, you know, Germany thought they were going to shut down all of their coal fired plants years ago.
[35:39] Kevin Lundberg: And then when the winter came on, they decided that was a pretty lousy idea.
[35:46] Kevin Lundberg: I honestly believe that this is so impossible that it's just a mythological thing that they're trying to impose upon everyone.
[36:06] Kevin Lundberg: Let's assume that there was enough electricity to actually run all these electrified homes for heat, which is a huge difference than turning on your lights.
[36:15] Kevin Lundberg: A lot, you know, most of the energy in a house is consumed through heating it in the wintertime.
[36:29] Kevin Lundberg: Because to put a heat pump in, in our climate is tens of thousands of dollars.
[36:35] Kevin Lundberg: It's It's not just, you know, like a little beefed up room air conditioner that you can buy for 500 bucks or so.
[36:59] Kevin Lundberg: You know, I mean, they're under constraint right now of reducing their energy output by our consumption by about 20 percent by 2030, I believe it is.
[37:10] Kevin Lundberg: To double that, to reduce it by 41 percent is impossible.
[37:21] Kevin Lundberg: I just think they are singing a tune that is unsustainable or impossible to actually meet.
[37:29] Kevin Lundberg: And why they're doing it, well, you and I know that they're doing it because they're being driven by this concept that it's an existential threat that we continue to use oil and gas resources in the world.
[37:58] Kim Monson: And the PUC is really pushing this agenda from the globalist elites.
[38:05] Kim Monson: And there's a big meeting tonight out, I mentioned it in the first segment, out in Elbert County regarding Xcel Energy and their land grab through El Paso County and Elbert County for transmission lines.
[38:22] Kim Monson: Here you have a utility that has been given the power of eminent domain to take people's land, which is just mind- boggling.
[38:33] Kim Monson: So we've got a real problem here in Colorado, and we're seeing people move out of Colorado.
[38:39] Kim Monson: Colorado was, you and I both love this state, but from a political standpoint, they are trying to destroy this beautiful state.
[38:48] Kim Monson: And that's why you do the work that you're doing.
[38:52] Kim Monson: And I do the work that I'm doing as well.
[38:54] Kim Monson: Do you have another thought on that?
[38:57] Kevin Lundberg: Well, you brought up this issue of the biggest utility in the state, Excel, jumping in and throwing their weight around.
[39:07] Kevin Lundberg: I'll just tell you, about 10 years ago, Excel wanted to put a pipeline in my property.
[39:13] Kevin Lundberg: A huge, they were replacing small major supplying line, gas line, between Cheyenne and Denver with a bigger one.
[39:25] Kevin Lundberg: And when they came into our community, they notified all the property owners, myself included, and all my neighbors, and this is when I was in the Senate, that they were going to do this, and they had every right to do it, they claimed.
[39:41] Kevin Lundberg: But when we got to digging into it, we discovered they didn't have the legal right at that point in time.
[39:49] Kevin Lundberg: Now, they got more legislation pushed through, so they do have more legal rights.
[39:54] Kevin Lundberg: But what I learned was that utility, they're not operating in the best interest of their customers.
[40:00] Kevin Lundberg: They're operating in the best interest of themselves and getting along with the government infrastructure.
[40:05] Kevin Lundberg: So, unfortunately, they're not going to be our allies when it comes to enforcing any of this stuff.
[40:12] Kevin Lundberg: Understand this, that the Public Utilities Commission, which is structured to manage these monopolies, and of necessity, a utility company is a monopoly.
[40:23] Kevin Lundberg: You move in, you need electricity, you need gas lines.
[40:27] Kevin Lundberg: and the local utility is the business you have to do business with.
[40:34] Kevin Lundberg: And since it's a monopoly, the PUC is supposed to be that buffer and protect the citizens from the overreach that a business could have with a monopoly.
[40:45] Kevin Lundberg: And instead, they become the protector of the utility.
[40:50] Kevin Lundberg: And any time it gets more expensive for the utility, they're guaranteed, in Colorado I think they try to guarantee them a 7% profitmargin.
[41:02] Kevin Lundberg: And to run a business, you need a profit, of course.
[41:06] Kevin Lundberg: But when it's a monopoly like that, and the government is increasing the cost, guess what?
[41:12] Kevin Lundberg: The utility wins because it becomes more expensive, they charge everybody much more money, and they make that much more profit on it.
[41:19] Kevin Lundberg: Their whole incentive system is just set up to go the wrong direction.
[41:24] Kevin Lundberg: And I discovered personally for myself and my neighbors that Excel doesn't play nice in a field like that.
[41:40] Kim Monson: So the question then is, what do we do about this?
[41:43] Kim Monson: I have on the text line, it is a monopoly, I guess.
[41:47] Kim Monson: And our listener said, when I was in class once in school, I remember specifically, they said the government is supposed to protect us against monopolies.
[42:09] Kevin Lundberg: Because he's the one who determines who is on that commission.
[42:14] Kevin Lundberg: the public utilities commission and we need people who have been hired not to fulfill a radical extreme agenda like the environmental extremists are that the governor has put in place and and that can be demonstrated by this regulation where they're calling for this this unimaginable restriction on natural gas in the state we need a governor who will sit down and say we need a public utilities commission that is that guardian for the people, not that advocate for the, you know, the radical agenda of, you know, of the extreme left.
[43:03] Kevin Lundberg: Well, we've got an election coming up and we're going to replace the governor.
[43:09] Kevin Lundberg: You need to figure out who would be the best guy and then get behind him.
[43:13] Kevin Lundberg: And everybody needs to make a better choice for this next election.
[43:18] Kim Monson: And that's why free, fair, honest and transparent elections are important, because I find it hard to believe that moderate Democrats and unaffiliated Republicans, conservatives, libertarians like what's happening in Colorado.
[43:35] Kim Monson: And so we need to, and in this battle that we're in, Kevin, it's really two things.
[43:41] Kim Monson: We must have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, but we must also have voters that understand the issues.
[43:48] Kim Monson: And that's why we, because there's so much propaganda out there, as one of our listeners had texted, that trust to build, it really was the opposite, or appears to be the opposite, regarding the election systems.
[44:08] Kim Monson: But it's great propaganda because everyday people that are just busy with their lives go, oh, yeah, trust to build on our election systems, that sounds good.
[44:15] Kim Monson: Well, but in essence, what Tina had found was that, and you can get the proof there by going to her website.
[44:25] Kim Monson: She's got the Mesa County reports there, that there were things that were either erased or that information was put over.
[44:33] Kim Monson: So we're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg.
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[48:23] Kim Monson: SoKevin Lundberg, former state senator, author of the Lundberg Report, state senator Julie Gonzalez, who is, from all actions I've seen, is a radical activist, has announced that she's going to primary John Hickenlooper.
[48:46] Kevin Lundberg: Actually, I can kind of understand that because I really, Senator Hickenlooper hasn't been really a standout champion of anything except keeping the Democrat machine going.
[49:06] Kevin Lundberg: So I can kind of understand how the Democrats might want more of a fire- breathing advocate there.
[49:14] Kevin Lundberg: But, you know, it's not that Hickenlooper really stands for anything that I support.
[49:25] Kevin Lundberg: So I can kind of understand why somebody would, you know, in his own ranks would say, hey, I want something bigger and better than that.
[49:34] Kevin Lundberg: And their bigger and better is more radical because Senator...
[49:44] Kevin Lundberg: I mean, you know, Hickenlooper was governor during the time I was in the Senate.
[50:00] Kevin Lundberg: credit is he wasn't as radical and as extreme as our current governor, but he's still headed the same direction.
[50:08] Kevin Lundberg: And he has certainly been a supporter of, of everything that's been going on in Colorado, um, under Polis.
[50:15] Kevin Lundberg: So, so I'm no fan of Hickenlooper and, and I'm sure that, uh, Gonzalez would be a, a, a much more radical, um, addition of their policies.
[50:27] Kevin Lundberg: But, you know, In some ways, I think it's, well, just a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
[50:32] Kevin Lundberg: What I'm really interested in is who's running on the Republican side.
[50:37] Kevin Lundberg: And we, you know, we need to put up a very strong alternative.
[50:44] Kevin Lundberg: And I believe that this election that we're looking at in 2026 has some real interesting possibilities because all of the statewide elected offices are officers, I'll say, are term limited.
[50:57] Kevin Lundberg: So we're going to replace the governor, the attorney general, the treasurer, the secretary of state, and Hickenlooper is up for reelection.
[51:08] Kevin Lundberg: So we've got a chance to put in a whole clean slate of good people doing the right things rather than watching the state go downhill.
[51:18] Kevin Lundberg: You know, I was at a conference this last week of legislators from around the country, American Legislative Exchange Council.
[51:29] Kevin Lundberg: And anytime I'd say I'm from Colorado, I'd get kind of this this look of we're sorry.
[51:43] Kim Monson: So and you mentioned we have a really a cast of thousands that are running for governor.
[51:52] Kim Monson: But these other important offices, I think that what we have one person announced for treasurer.
[51:59] Kim Monson: I haven't really looked at that where we are on those other candidates for those other offices.
[52:06] Kevin Lundberg: Well, yeah, I don't have a complete list in my own mind either.
[52:12] Kevin Lundberg: But, yeah, Kevin Grantham, who I served with in the Senate, he has announced he is running for treasurer.
[52:22] Kevin Lundberg: And I think he did a lot better job than the guy who was there today.
[52:26] Kevin Lundberg: And I actually know him pretty well, too, because I sat beside him and the Joint Budget Committee for a couple of years.
[52:45] Kevin Lundberg: I know Janet Josie, who served in the House, a very strong conservative, is running for the U.
[52:52] Kevin Lundberg: I'm not not aware of any other candidates at this point.
[52:55] Kim Monson: I think there is one other candidate.
[52:57] Kim Monson: I think the last name is like Market or something like that.
[53:04] Kevin Lundberg: So, yeah, because that you could argue that that's the major office that will be deciding on in some ways because the U.
[53:15] Kevin Lundberg: But I'm sure there will be others coming up as well.
[53:22] Kevin Lundberg: You know, when we talk about the election and who's running, I believe that it's not just who's running, but what are we talking about?
[53:36] Kevin Lundberg: And that's why I'm putting most of my effort right now in to protect Kids Colorado, to put some questions on the ballot that will force the radical left to answer.
[53:48] Kevin Lundberg: You know, so you think that men ought to be involved in girls' sports.
[53:52] Kevin Lundberg: So you think these mutilating surgeries on children for sex changes should be allowed in the state of Colorado.
[54:02] Kevin Lundberg: So you think human trafficking is just okay the way we enforce it today?
[54:08] Kevin Lundberg: Protect Kids Colorado is working hard, and we're doing it now.
[54:13] Kevin Lundberg: You know, this isn't off into the future next November.
[54:16] Kevin Lundberg: No, this is December, January, and then we're done with the collecting of the signatures to put this on the ballot.
[54:32] Kim Monson: And I know Erin Lee, she had sent something over.
[54:35] Kim Monson: You're having a petition signing at a variety of different locations this last Saturday.
[54:40] Kim Monson: She said, hey, can you mention this on Friday?
[54:43] Kim Monson: And I had intended to, but I got so focused on John Case and Linda Good that I did not do that.
[54:51] Kim Monson: But you're going to have another one of those in January, on January 10th.
[54:55] Kim Monson: So we'll make sure that we do that.
[54:59] Kim Monson: Kevin, how would you like to wrap this up?
[55:02] Kevin Lundberg: Well, I'd like to stay with the Protect Kids just a little bit, because yesterday we launched a significant fundraising drive through a give, send, go platform.
[55:15] Kevin Lundberg: And I tell you, we're very encouraged by, you know, yesterday, the total we have right now is$ 33,675.
[55:25] Kevin Lundberg: And that's because we know we need some serious cash to get this across the border, you know, the line.
[55:34] Kevin Lundberg: It's a volunteer effort, but it requires a lot of fortification for those volunteers.
[55:44] Kevin Lundberg: So that's my big thing right here and right now is we're trying to do everything.
[55:49] Kevin Lundberg: And if you click, if you go to Give, Send, Go, and just type, look for Protect Kids Colorado, you'll learn all about this big fundraising drive we're doing right here before Christmas.
[56:07] Kim Monson: And regarding holding Jared Polis legally responsible if something happens to Tina Peters, one of our listeners said, thank you for taking a stand on that.
[56:19] Kim Monson: So, Kevin Lundberg, we'll talk again after Christmas.
[56:22] Kim Monson: I wish you and yours a very happy Advent.
[56:33] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is Luke 12, 48, To whom much is given, much is required.
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[60:25] Kim Monson: Our word of the day is erratum, and it is spelled E-R-R-A-T-U-M.
[60:33] Kim Monson: It could be an error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a list of corrections impounded into a book.
[60:40] Kim Monson: So basically, erratum is an error in writing or printing and I used it in a sentence in hour number one when I saw the headline that a federal judge basically said in a headline that Tina Peters has to exhaust all legal options at the state level before the federal level will look at it.
[61:06] Kim Monson: I was hoping it was Erratum, but it's not, or an Erratum, and it was not.
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[61:42] Kim Monson: We ask him to exhibit kindness, compassion, and mercy to Tina Peters by granting her release and release her immediately so that she may seek the medical treatment that she needs, including a possible return of cancer, and allow her the opportunity to visit her hospitalized 97-year-old mother.
[62:03] Kim Monson: It's only compassionate to do this.
[62:05] Kim Monson: and Tina Peters through this whole thing, this whole issue before this, she maybe, maybe had a traffic ticket.
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[62:27] Kim Monson: And also send that to 10 people that you know, because at this time of Christmas it is a time to show compassion, and we request that she be released by Christmas Eve of this year.
[62:39] Kim Monson: And I did a little bit of research.
[62:41] Kim Monson: Every year, Governor Polis has pardoned people or commuted their sentences.
[62:47] Kim Monson: And last year, in fact, he pardoned 22 people and commuted four sentences.
[62:54] Kim Monson: And some of the people that he pardoned, there were two murderers, one rapist, and one bank robber.
[62:59] Kim Monson: So it seems like it would be a pretty easy thing to do to show some compassion to tina peters, and so we have these important discussions on the show because of our sponsors, and on the line with me is Jon Boesen, with boson, law and john, welcome to the show.
[63:16] Kim Monson: I was thinking about you this weekend because I had to bring myself back, I was driving and I had to be more focused.
[63:24] Kim Monson: I was doing the thing that we talk about all the time, thinking about other things going on.
[63:28] Kim Monson: And I'm like, okay, I've got to listen to John Boesen.
[63:32] Kim Monson: And I thought, let's have some tips for safe driving here during the holiday season.
[63:39] Kim Monson: And another one of those is to be patient at red lights, yes?
[63:45] Jon Boesen: And you've already touched on the number one, and that is to be focused, keep distractions at bay.
[63:54] Jon Boesen: Oh, I joined a zoom conference with about 30 people the other day and sure enough there's two people on the conference driving eyes going from the road down to their phone and I just, oh, I have to say something.
[64:13] Jon Boesen: If you stay focused, folks, please don't be on your phones on a zoom call while you're driving.
[64:20] Jon Boesen: Uh, and this happened to be on a wednesday.
[64:23] Jon Boesen: That was the wednesday morning that we had the snow snow.
[64:26] Jon Boesen: So, and then you second one, slow down, uh, build into whatever trip you need to make.
[64:35] Jon Boesen: Uh, extra time when the weather is bad, and these are common sense things.
[64:41] Jon Boesen: But you know so many people, they leave late and that extra little adrenaline rush, less time to react when you're going fast.
[64:54] Jon Boesen: So, folks, just just, you know, plan accordingly.
[64:57] Jon Boesen: Give yourself extra time, especially this time of year when the weather can be bad, when there's a lot of distracted drivers on the road, all everybody thinking about something else.
[65:09] Jon Boesen: They've got to take care of something before the holidays.
[65:16] Jon Boesen: And then the one that I like to always touch on, you've touched on, when you come up to intersections, and especially if you're the first or the second car, and that light turns green, allowing you to proceed forward, pause.
[65:36] Jon Boesen: Make sure nobody's distracted or going too fast and is going to run through that light because that one's a killer.
[65:45] Jon Boesen: That one puts people six feet under.
[65:52] Jon Boesen: Look both directions, then proceed.
[65:54] Jon Boesen: It may upset the person behind you, so be it.
[65:58] Jon Boesen: And share that one with your kids, listeners, and your friends, and your neighbors, and your coworkers, because that one, those are the ones that when they call my office, sometimes they don't survive.
[66:10] Jon Boesen: And if they do, sometimes those are the worst injuries people suffer in a motor vehicle collision.
[66:16] Kim Monson: And again, I was thinking about you regarding a particular corner.
[66:23] Kim Monson: There's a corner that I come to on a regular basis where the lights are actually a little wonky.
[66:28] Kim Monson: And I probably should call the city of Aurora and have them straighten one out, because it could appear that it's a green arrow and it's not.
[66:40] Kim Monson: I probably, in fact, I don't probably need to do that.
[66:49] Kim Monson: And I had made a commitment last Wednesday to be someplace.
[67:07] Kim Monson: I'm like, well, I'm already halfway there.
[67:08] Kim Monson: but I was on 470, and there was cars that were stopped.
[67:14] Kim Monson: There were cars over in the express lane going way too fast.
[67:19] Kim Monson: But I came up on this, and there had been a fender bender, and I kid you not, John, and people were kind of going around the fender benders, but the people had gotten out of their cars, and they were standing on the driver's side of the cars in those conditions.
[67:38] Kim Monson: One was a teenager without a coat on, and I thought, oh, my gosh, if somebody loses control, they could get into them immediately.
[67:46] Kim Monson: And I thought, I'm going to ask John, what should you do in a situation like that?
[67:51] Jon Boesen: Yeah, I've seen that situation multiple times over the years, and that's a deadly situation.
[68:01] Jon Boesen: You get in a fender bender on the highway anywhere, and the roads are slick.
[68:06] Jon Boesen: If you can move the cars, you move them as far over to the right as you can.
[68:13] Jon Boesen: You don't get out on the driver's side and stand anywhere close to the vehicles.
[68:20] Jon Boesen: If you're going to get out and you go as far to the right, if you can go up on an embankment to get away from the cars to exchange information, if there's no injuries, et cetera, you exchange information far away from the cars.
[68:32] Jon Boesen: If you're injured, if it's more than a fender bender, you stay in your vehicle.
[68:40] Jon Boesen: You wait for the police and the ambulance.
[68:43] Jon Boesen: That car is going to provide some protection if someone loses control.
[68:50] Jon Boesen: If you're not injured, if you're well able, get away from the vehicles.
[68:55] Jon Boesen: Get up higher on an embankment if there's one, but get away from the vehicles on the right side of the road.
[69:02] Jon Boesen: I've seen people standing in the median.
[69:07] Jon Boesen: Like you, standing outside of the vehicles, standing behind the vehicles.
[69:11] Jon Boesen: I think all of us have seen those videos that have captured cars losing control and slamming into the back of cars or into people standing at the back of cars after an accident.
[69:24] Jon Boesen: So good one to bring up, especially with the weather having changed.
[69:27] Jon Boesen: that's starting to see some nasty, some cold, some snowy weather.
[69:31] Jon Boesen: If that happens, that's what you do.
[69:34] Kim Monson: And if you have been injured, reach out to you and your team.
[69:45] Jon Boesen: And I'm going to reiterate again, if you're involved in an accident and it's not your fault, call the police to make a determination of fault.
[69:55] Jon Boesen: If you have your head about you and others come up, ask them to leave a business card or give their name and number if they saw it.
[70:05] Jon Boesen: Because if the police come, they can't make that determination.
[70:09] Jon Boesen: It's your word against his word or her word.
[70:12] Jon Boesen: Often the police just kind of throw up their hands if they can't figure it out.
[70:17] Jon Boesen: But if there's a witness, they give you a name and a number.
[70:18] Jon Boesen: If you're the driver that was not at fault, you keep that and provide that to the police down the road, to your insurance company, to your lawyer.
[70:29] Kim Monson: And again, that's John Boesen, right, with Boesen Law, number is 303-999-9999.
[70:34] Kim Monson: John, thank you for the great advice, and we'll talk with you next week.
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[70:43] Jon Boesen: That would be a large miracle, actually.
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[73:53] Kim Monson: I'm pleased to have on the line with me Rob Nadelson.
[73:57] Kim Monson: He is a nationally recognized constitutional scholar, historian, commentator, and frequent guest on broadcast media.
[74:05] Kim Monson: He's a senior fellow in constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute in Denver, and he's a former law professor.
[74:12] Kim Monson: He's best known for his scholarship on the American founding and the Constitution's original meeting.
[74:17] Kim Monson: His latest book is the original constitution, the historical meaning of america's supreme law.
[74:24] Kim Monson: It's a, it's a reprint, and then also he's got another book out that I wanted to ask him about in latin, I think.
[74:33] Kim Monson: It's good to be with you, kim, and so this is: uh, which, what number printing is the original constitution in now?
[74:46] Rob Natelson: The first one came out in 2009,, and it had the inevitable typographical errors and other problems that afflict first editions.
[74:56] Rob Natelson: And so the second edition came out in 2010, and that lasted a good long time.
[75:03] Rob Natelson: But what happens is even though the original Constitution doesn't change, public interest in different issues change.
[75:10] Rob Natelson: And so we came out with a third edition in 2015.
[75:15] Rob Natelson: But since that time, we've had all sorts of events like First Amendment violations by the Biden administration, two Trump impeachments, other kinds of events that people were curious about.
[75:29] Rob Natelson: And so we decided this year to come out with a fourth edition.
[75:35] Rob Natelson: Be sure, though, if you go to Amazon to get it, that you get the fourth edition.
[75:39] Rob Natelson: That's the one with a picture of the Constitutional Convention on the front, not one of the earlier ones.
[75:49] Kim Monson: And again, the original Constitution, the historical meaning of America's supreme law.
[75:54] Kim Monson: And I was over at your website, natalsonrob.
[75:57] Kim Monson: and tell me about this children's classic, David and the Phoenix.
[76:01] Kim Monson: Did you translate this into Latin or tell me about this?
[76:10] Rob Natelson: You might tell your engineer to adjust the gain a little bit.
[76:14] Rob Natelson: At any rate, in 1957, a man by the name of Edward Ormondroyd wrote a book called David and the Phoenix.
[76:23] Rob Natelson: It was a children's book, but it was written on different levels.
[76:28] Rob Natelson: So there were aspects of it that adults could appreciate.
[76:32] Rob Natelson: The idea being, I suppose, that when mommy read the book to her kid, she could be amused by what the kid didn't understand in the book.
[76:42] Rob Natelson: And these are not salacious references at all.
[76:45] Rob Natelson: These are things like references to mythology and little word plays and that sort of thing.
[76:55] Rob Natelson: I was 10 years old in 1958, which tells you something about my age.
[77:07] Rob Natelson: I actually spoke to Edward Ormond Droid's wife at one point when I was practicing law in Colorado.
[77:18] Rob Natelson: And I said, you know, we have a problem in that there is a great deal of interest in Latin studies, which explains the growth of classical schools in part, where kids study Latin.
[77:32] Rob Natelson: But there's not much literature in Latin written for kids.
[77:36] Rob Natelson: Alice in Wonderland has been translated into Latin.
[77:44] Rob Natelson: Winnie the Pooh was famously translated into Latin and became a New York Times bestseller.
[77:48] Rob Natelson: But the language in that is surprisingly difficult.
[77:51] Rob Natelson: And so I kind of wanted an action-packed story that contemporary Americans could understand, and one that was also instructive and fun on several different levels.
[78:05] Rob Natelson: And so after thinking about it, I decided, well, you know, let's take David and the Phoenix and translate it into Latin.
[78:18] Rob Natelson: We published, I think it was early this year, and it's been selling, which actually surprised me a little bit, but it has been.
[78:30] Kim Monson: I'm not familiar with it, so I've got to get up to speed on that.
[78:35] Kim Monson: And, again, at your website, NailsToRob.
[78:37] Kim Monson: com, you've got a button where people can purchase that.
[78:43] Kim Monson: So let's move on to our first subject.
[78:46] Kim Monson: I found it really interesting that I saw that headline that Costco and some other retailers are suing the Trump administration regarding the tariffs, depending on what the Supreme Court decides.
[79:03] Kim Monson: And you had written a recent piece, and here we go, the Constitution and the Trump tariffs.
[79:12] Kim Monson: and people can find this at the Independence Institute, i2i.
[79:19] Kim Monson: But it was originally, it was two essays that had appeared in the Epoch Times on November 19th and November 20th.
[79:26] Kim Monson: So talk to me about this because I have some people that say, oh, tariffs are taxes, it's not free, fair, honest trade.
[79:35] Kim Monson: And then on the other side, that tariffs are actually a fee that's put onto foreign goods to protect American products.
[79:46] Kim Monson: So, you know, walk us through this, Rob Niedelsen.
[79:50] Rob Natelson: You know, Kim, this is such an interesting topic because it has so many aspects.
[79:59] Rob Natelson: It's also a classic case of the fact that the left has been building the power of the federal government and the power of the president for decades, and now it's coming back to bite them.
[80:12] Rob Natelson: It's just interesting on so many different levels.
[80:17] Rob Natelson: Tariffs have been used by governments to raise money and also to regulate trade.
[80:24] Rob Natelson: If they're set high enough, people don't pay them, or at least don't pay them very much, and they restrict trade.
[80:32] Rob Natelson: And so they're used to, say, protect local industries.
[80:36] Rob Natelson: On the other hand, if they're set at more modest levels, they can raise a lot of money.
[80:42] Rob Natelson: During the time leading up to the American Revolution, Parliament imposed tariffs on American goods, and Americans objected to that.
[80:51] Rob Natelson: Americans said that it was appropriate for Parliament to regulate trade among different units of the British Empire and with foreign governments, but it was not appropriate for Parliament to tax Americans.
[81:06] Rob Natelson: John Dickinson, one of the very greatest founders, wrote a series of essays in which he explained the line.
[81:13] Rob Natelson: He said, if the tariff is there for the purpose of purely raising money, then it's a tax.
[81:18] Rob Natelson: If, on the other hand, its primary purpose is to regulate trade, even if it incidentally raises some money, then it is a regulation of commerce.
[81:31] Rob Natelson: By that definition, the Trump tariffs are regulations of commerce.
[81:39] Rob Natelson: Both taxes and regulations of commerce have historically, as your listeners know, been legislative prerogatives.
[81:48] Rob Natelson: It's the kind of thing determined in Congress or by legislatures, not by the president.
[81:57] Rob Natelson: Congress, in the last few decades, has also been handing over enormous amounts of power to the president, Mostly liberal Congresses have done this with the idea that the president and administrative agencies can govern us better than we can govern ourselves.
[82:14] Rob Natelson: Well, among the laws that they passed, which was one or two, that first allow the president to announce an emergency for almost any reason, and then once the emergency has been declared, to, quote, regulate importation.
[82:30] Rob Natelson: So what the Congress has done is they've said if the president declares an emergency, then the whole power to regulate importing, including tariffs, goes to the president.
[82:41] Rob Natelson: So President Trump duly declared an emergency involving foreign trade problems and then started to impose these tariffs.
[82:51] Rob Natelson: And not surprisingly, the same type of people who have been shoveling all this power over to the president now complained that this particular president was exercising it.
[83:07] Rob Natelson: My own view of this case is kind of nuanced.
[83:13] Rob Natelson: Number one, I believe President Trump is following the law.
[83:15] Rob Natelson: I believe he's interpreting the statute correctly.
[83:20] Rob Natelson: poses are the classic ones designed to, quote, regulate importation.
[83:24] Rob Natelson: My problem, though, is the traditional originalist or constitutionalist one, that we shouldn't be shoveling all that power over to the president, that this statute actually, or pair of statutes, actually is unconstitutional.
[83:41] Rob Natelson: And so I hope that if the court rules these tariffs unconstitutional, it won't blame the president for it.
[83:49] Rob Natelson: It will simply say Congress, and by the way, it was a Democratic Congress, should not have transferred that quantity of power to the president.
[83:58] Kim Monson: So I think the bottom line is, is that Trump is within his prerogative to do this.
[84:07] Kim Monson: The Supreme Court is going to hear the case.
[84:09] Kim Monson: So what are you, what's your thoughts about the Supreme Court?
[84:16] Rob Natelson: I mean, the conventional wisdom right now is that they'll probably strike it down, but that's based upon tea leaf gathering, I suppose.
[84:24] Rob Natelson: To tell you the truth, what's more important to me than the outcome of the case is whether the court does anything to draw the line at this outrageous practice of Congress of passing legislation that they have no authority to pass, and then shoveling it over to the president or over to administrative agencies, that is the bureaucracy for execution.
[84:49] Rob Natelson: That is the part of the case that I really think is critical, more so than whether these tariffs survive or don't survive.
[85:01] Kim Monson: And you can find Rob's article at i2i.
[85:05] Kim Monson: It's titled The Constitution and the Trump Tariffs.
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[89:19] Kim Monson: And we have Rob Niedelsen on the line, and you know him.
[89:22] Kim Monson: He is a constitutional expert and is best known for his scholarship on the American founding and the Constitution's original meaning.
[89:32] Kim Monson: His book, The Original Constitution, is in its fourth print.
[89:37] Kim Monson: It's the historical meaning of America's supreme law.
[89:41] Kim Monson: And we were talking about this piece that was in the Epoch Times, but people can access it at i2i.
[89:47] Kim Monson: org, the Constitution and the Trump tariffs.
[89:53] Kim Monson: He said, we need to talk about reciprocal tariffs.
[89:56] Kim Monson: Foreign countries have been placing tariffs on our goods to protect their own domestic markets for decades.
[90:02] Kim Monson: One of the worst offenders is India.
[90:06] Kim Monson: Let's say Germany taxes American cars at 60%.
[90:12] Kim Monson: Then under Trump, the Trump doctrine, we would put a 60%tariff on their cars.
[90:17] Kim Monson: This is known as reciprocal tariffs.
[90:19] Kim Monson: It says in the case of Germany, he said there's not one Ford dealership in Germany, not one Chrysler dealership in Germany.
[90:28] Kim Monson: There's not one GM dealership in Germany.
[90:30] Kim Monson: So they have erected, he said, non- tariffbarriers to trade.
[90:34] Kim Monson: So under the Trump doctrine, tariffs address this unfair trading advantage as well.
[90:39] Kim Monson: And, of course, we have all kinds of BMW and all kinds of German cars, Mercedes dealerships here in America.
[90:47] Kim Monson: So your comments on this, Rob Nielsen.
[90:49] Rob Natelson: Yeah, well, there are two separate issues here.
[90:51] Rob Natelson: One is whether tariffs should be imposed and how they should be used.
[90:58] Rob Natelson: And sometimes you would like a particular policy that the Constitution doesn't necessarily permit.
[91:05] Rob Natelson: That happens often, actually, because the Constitution is designed to be a limit on government.
[91:12] Rob Natelson: Ultimately, the responsibility for tariffs, for imposing them either as taxes or regulations of trade, is given by the constitution to congress, not to the president.
[91:25] Rob Natelson: What congress can do, however legitimately is, it can pass a law saying: here is our tariff schedule and giving the president specific authority to respond within certain limits if foreign governments impose tariffs that we don't like.
[91:43] Rob Natelson: So the legislation can say something like, if a foreign government imposes more than a 10% tariff,then the president may impose or may raise the tariff no more than 20%.
[91:56] Rob Natelson: But that delegation of authority, while it's constitutionally fine, precisely because it is confined.
[92:03] Rob Natelson: The president has given fairly narrow restrictions within which he can work.
[92:08] Rob Natelson: The problem with the law that President Trump is using, and again, I emphasize it's not his fault.
[92:14] Rob Natelson: This law was passed by a Democratic Congress.
[92:17] Rob Natelson: The problem with the law is it is written in a way where there are no standards whatsoever.
[92:23] Rob Natelson: It simply says the president may regulate importation once he's declared an emergency.
[92:33] Rob Natelson: It's a wholesale unloading by Congress of its commerce power onto the president.
[92:40] Rob Natelson: And I think it's screamingly unconstitutional.
[92:43] Rob Natelson: We'll see whether the Supreme Court agrees.
[92:46] Kim Monson: Okay, that is super fascinating on that.
[92:49] Kim Monson: And I neglected to announce that call in with your questions for Rob regarding the Constitution, the courts, and if you're shy, hopefully you will not be shy, but if you're shy, you can text me at 720- 605- 0647,720-605- 0647.
[93:09] Kim Monson: Sonext thing, this came in on the text line.
[93:16] Kim Monson: What about this whole thing regarding illegal military orders?
[93:20] Kim Monson: And Jason Crowe, a congressman from Colorado, Jason Crowe, Senator Mark Kelly, and some other Democrats did a video encouraging our military to not follow illegal orders.
[93:36] Kim Monson: So what's your thoughts about that, Rob Nielsen?
[93:40] Rob Natelson: Well, from a constitutional standpoint, of course, the Constitution says that the president is the commander in chief, not members of Congress.
[93:49] Rob Natelson: Members of Congress can respond if they don't like what the president is doing by cutting funding, for example, or by passing laws restricting somewhat the president's power, although actually they're limited in the laws they can pass because they can't undercut the president's constitutional status as commander- in- chief.
[94:10] Rob Natelson: The political answer, as an old- time politicianis, I think what this group of congressmen were trying to do is encourage insurrection.
[94:19] Rob Natelson: That's a pretty strong statement, Rob Nielsen.
[94:24] Rob Natelson: But I think that's what they're trying to do, or at least maybe I should say insubordination rather than insurrection.
[94:31] Rob Natelson: They have not been able to identify any illegal orders, as far as I know.
[94:36] Rob Natelson: Some people maintain that some of Trump's deployments of National Guardsmen are not legal, but that's a matter that's under litigation.
[94:49] Rob Natelson: It's not a matter to be challenged by individual soldiers on the line.
[94:56] Rob Natelson: As far as I'm concerned, that is an absolute disqualifier for Jason Crow and anyone else who signed on to ever hold a position of American public trust again.
[95:06] Unknown: Wow, that is a strong statement on that.
[95:11] Rob Natelson: It's strong because this was an outrageous action.
[95:16] Rob Natelson: I don't know what to equate it to, but I don't know of any case since the Civil War, there may be one, where members of Congress are actively encouraging members of the armed forces to disobey their commander in chief.
[95:34] Kim Monson: Well, and I, yesterday I talked about this and was connecting some dots.
[95:39] Kim Monson: So Senator Tammy Duckworth from Illinois was on one of the Sunday morning shows and was saying that this second hit on one of the drug boats was an illegal act, and she even called it murder.
[95:56] Kim Monson: And then last week when Chris Harris was on, who is a retired border patrol agent within the San Diego sector, he said, and I found it from the Epoch Times, that there are billboards that are appearing outside of military installations encouraging our military to not follow legal orders.
[96:18] Kim Monson: So this is a coordinated event and got kicked off by...
[96:25] Rob Natelson: It's a coordinated attempt to bring about insubordination.
[96:30] Rob Natelson: I mean, I don't know what the facts are regarding the second strike on what I would call the pirate boat.
[96:37] Rob Natelson: All I would remind people of is that the drug runners are what members of the founding generation would call hostes homonigenes, which is Latin for enemies of the human race.
[96:52] Rob Natelson: The traditional rule with pirates is you can destroy them anywhere you can find them.
[96:56] Rob Natelson: So whether even a second hit violates the laws of war, I'm not sure, because sometimes the laws of war don't actually apply to pirates.
[97:07] Rob Natelson: But whatever the merits are in that particular case, the coordinated defiance of democratically enacted federal law is just incredible.
[97:22] Rob Natelson: I mean, here you have these people who, 10, 20 years ago, were calling us, labeling us, those of us who favor reasserting the positions of states within the Constitution, they were calling us nullifiers and insurrectionists and worse.
[97:39] Rob Natelson: And here they are trying to undermine federal law in a case where the federal law is clearly constitutional and clearly legitimate.
[97:50] Rob Natelson: It's quite a commentary on them, much more a commentary on them than it is on the Trump administration.
[97:59] Kim Monson: Okay, we're going to continue our questions for Rob Nadelson.
[98:06] Kim Monson: Anddon't be shy, we'd love to have you call in.
[98:11] Kim Monson: Beforewe go to break, though, we're getting near year end.
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[98:25] Kim Monson: They are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial.
[98:30] Kim Monson: And it is so important to remember and honor those that have put their lives on the line or given their lives for our freedom.
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[101:32] Kim Monson: Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
[101:40] Kim Monson: And I wanted to just mention, you know what?
[101:44] Kim Monson: I think I did all those things that I need to do.
[101:47] Kim Monson: The call-in number is 303-477-5600.
[101:52] Kim Monson: and the text line is 720-605-0647.
[101:56] Kim Monson: And we have Bruce on the line and he's got some questions for Rob.
[102:00] Bruce (Caller): Hi there.
[102:01] Bruce (Caller): Hey, good morning.
[102:02] Bruce (Caller): Good morning, people.
[102:03] Bruce (Caller): I will give a preface on this.
[102:05] Bruce (Caller): I was just doing a little channel surfing as I'm coming into the office.
[102:11] Bruce (Caller): So, and I popped onto 560 and I heard Mr.
[102:15] Bruce (Caller): Nadelsohn's discussion about the six federal employees, the congresspersons and whatnot, who posted the video.
[102:27] Bruce (Caller): This is coming from the perspective of a retired military officer, having spent more than two decades in the Navy, understanding at least at a basic level the concept of illegal orders.
[102:43] Bruce (Caller): And I'm going to submit to you both that Mr.
[102:48] Bruce (Caller): Natelson's verbiage of inciting insubordination, that's a little bit inflammatory.
[102:58] Bruce (Caller): Here's my assertion.
[103:02] Bruce (Caller): The orders that have been given, let's talk about the Venezuelan, and you used the term pirates.
[103:09] Bruce (Caller): I would also disagree with that, although I understand the analogy.
[103:14] Bruce (Caller): The strikes on those, I would submit to you that it is at least questionable as to whether those orders are legal or not.
[103:26] Bruce (Caller): There is no declared conflict, no declaration of war, so it becomes problematic as to whether the rules of war come into play.
[103:39] Bruce (Caller): And if that doesn't come into play, then you get into the question of, to put it colloquially, judge, jury, and executioner.
[103:48] Bruce (Caller): In other words, an extrajudicial killing.
[103:53] Bruce (Caller): So all of that to be said, using terms like insubordination or inciting insubordination or insurrection, very, very inflammatory and very problematic.
[104:06] Bruce (Caller): I'll stop talking and listen to response.
[104:08] Bruce (Caller): What do you got?
[104:12] Rob Natelson: Well, first, Bruce, I was careful to say that I did not know the ultimate facts regarding what happened in the Caribbean.
[104:21] Rob Natelson: I did, however, make the analogy to pirates in order to point out something that has not been part of the discussion.
[104:30] Rob Natelson: And that is the traditional treatment of what have been called enemies of the human race is a little different.
[104:40] Rob Natelson: from that of dealing with honorable combatants who are lawful combatants.
[104:47] Rob Natelson: My point about inciting insubordination, yeah, I agree.
[104:54] Rob Natelson: It was designed to inflame, and properly so.
[105:00] Rob Natelson: If an order is disputed, there are methods for dealing with that.
[105:05] Rob Natelson: My understanding, however, is that the military code puts a heavy burden on anyone who seeks to claim that an order was illegal and therefore he didn't have to follow it.
[105:18] Rob Natelson: Some of these orders are legally questionable or under litigation.
[105:21] Rob Natelson: I think that having members of Congress telling people, enlisted people, or lower-line officers to make those kinds of decisions for themselves and deny the enforcement of the order because they, perhaps not being lawyers, have concluded that it's illegal, I think that, yeah, I think that is inciting insubordination.
[105:47] Rob Natelson: And I think that that was the intent behind it, to incite insubordination, to create trouble within the military, enough turbulence within the military to try to curb the commander-in-chief's powers.
[106:05] Rob Natelson: I'm going to submit to you that you are incorrect.
[106:08] Rob Natelson: I also emphasized the virtually unprecedented nature of this.
[106:18] Rob Natelson: I can't think of another example since the Civil War.
[106:27] Rob Natelson: But this is not something that members of Congress traditionally do.
[106:34] Rob Natelson: It's not been viewed as a role for members of Congress.
[106:28] Rob Natelson: The role of members of Congress is to cut off funding, to raise public outcry, to pass legislation, to curb the president if they think he's overreaching, to sue the president if they think he's overreaching, not to encourage insubordination of the ranks.
[106:50] Bruce (Caller): That's your interpretation that it's encouraging insubordination.
[106:55] Bruce (Caller): It is not insubordination to question the validity of an order.
[107:02] Bruce (Caller): That's coming from the point of view and the knowledge and experience of a military officer.
[107:07] Bruce (Caller): It's very easy to say that it's insubordination coming from the point of view of an academic.
[107:14] Bruce (Caller): But when you're in the situation...
[107:44] Rob Natelson: It's not wrong for a military person to question the legitimacy of order.
[107:51] Rob Natelson: What's wrong is to take it upon himself to disobey the order in circumstances where the illegitimacy is questionable and in circumstances where the members of Congress who made this video themselves can't identify specifically any illegal orders.
[108:15] Ron (Caller): Yeah, Kim, I think Ralph is absolutely correct.
[108:19] Ron (Caller): To give you an analogy, if you had your children and basically same analogy, you had your children and you have friends or people that they're associated with that are around St.
[108:37] Ron (Caller): Mary's and they say, you know what?
[108:39] Ron (Caller): don't listen to your mom or your dad.
[108:42] Ron (Caller): You know, do drugs or do this or do that.
[108:46] Ron (Caller): Or, you know, let's go break into houses or whatever.
[108:51] Ron (Caller): You know, don't listen to what they have to say.
[108:54] Ron (Caller): It's completely wrong.
[108:58] Ron (Caller): And I may be coming at this the wrong way, but I just think that what they're doing is they're the people that are trying to persuade the military to do the wrong thing.
[109:17] Kim Monson: We've got just a couple of minutes left.
[109:20] Kim Monson: Rob, your response and your wrap-up.
[109:25] Rob Natelson: The analogy is a pretty decent one, but it's also not a way to run the military.
[109:29] Rob Natelson: I mean, you can't have a bunch of back alley lawyers questioning the legality of military orders that are not obviously and clearly illegal.
[109:43] Rob Natelson: I mean, if President Trump tells a soldier to go out and massacre an entire village for no cause, well, that's an easy call.
[109:52] Rob Natelson: But whether a second strike on a boat in the Caribbean or whether the deployment of National Guard under circumstances is illegal, that's something that the courts wrestle with, that the lawyers wrestle with.
[110:07] Rob Natelson: It's not something for individual members of the armed forces to disobey because they have an uninformed opinion on the matter.
[110:20] Rob Natelson: We've done a military force under those circumstances.
[110:22] Kim Monson: We've got a minute left, and Yvonne, I bet she can quickly make her point.
[110:28] Yvonne (Caller): Sure, absolutely, very quickly.
[110:30] Yvonne (Caller): I believe Mr.
[110:31] Yvonne (Caller): Nittleson is 100%correct.
[110:32] Yvonne (Caller): I am also an officer of the United States military, former officer, and there is no place whatsoever for people in Congress for making those types of inflammatory comments that were specifically designed.
[110:47] Yvonne (Caller): It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
[110:49] Yvonne (Caller): Anybody can figure out that if you're talking about something that didn't need to be talked about and they're talking about it and it should be talked about by somebody else, that they are doing it by design to inflame some kind of thing across our military.
[111:04] Yvonne (Caller): And then followed up with what the other people have said that have been happening around our post.
[111:08] Yvonne (Caller): This is all by design.
[111:09] Yvonne (Caller): So this is not a coincidence and it is not their business.
[111:13] Yvonne (Caller): It's the business of the JAG officers of the UCMJ to deal with that kind of stuff.
[111:22] Kim Monson: And we will do this the second Tuesday in January again.
[111:25] Kim Monson: I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and thank you, Rob.
[111:34] Kim Monson: And our quote for the end of the show is from Luke 1248.
[111:40] Kim Monson: And we as Americans, I think that we should really take heed of this.
[111:44] Kim Monson: It says, To whom much is given, much is required.
[111:48] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[112:01] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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