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[02:13] Kim Monson: And as you know, we look at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
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[03:11] Kim Monson: I think that maybe Dave was the one that submitted this.
[03:15] Kim Monson: I normally am trying to write down names when you submit those.
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[03:25] Kim Monson: It could be excessive pride or self-confidence or arrogance.
[03:29] Kim Monson: And we're seeing a lot of hubris with these PBIs that are trying to take more and more control of everything in our lives.
[03:38] Kim Monson: So it should be very easy for you to use the word hubris in a sentence today.
[03:49] Kim Monson: He was a British author, literary scholar, and Anglican theologian.
[03:55] Kim Monson: He held academic positions in English literature at Magdalene College, Oxford, and Magdalene College, Cambridge.
[04:02] Kim Monson: He's best known as the author of the Chronicles of Narnia, but he also is noted for his other works of fiction, such as the Screwtape Letters and the Space Trilogy, and for his nonfiction, Christian Apologetics.
[04:15] Kim Monson: And the word apologetics means defense, so in defense of the Christian faith, including Mere Christianity, Miracles, and the Problem of Pain.
[04:24] Kim Monson: And we're in tumultuous times right now with the Iran war and everything that's going on.
[04:31] Kim Monson: Lewis lived through World War I, World War II, and he said this.
[04:36] Kim Monson: He said, the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together.
[04:39] Kim Monson: If we were to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb, when it comes, find us doing sensible and human things.
[04:46] Kim Monson: Praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts.
[04:56] Kim Monson: Not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs.
[05:00] Kim Monson: So that is our marching orders today.
[05:03] Kim Monson: And I'm hoping that we have Karen Gordey on the line.
[05:09] Kim Monson: You know, Karen, she is an entrepreneur and she is the owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting.
[05:17] Kim Monson: Okay, I guess we had a bad connection and Joe said that we are reconnecting that.
[05:23] Kim Monson: But one of the things that's really exciting about Radiant Painting and Lighting is they have exclusive service right now with a company that has come up with a product to fireproof
[05:38] Kim Monson: not fireproof, make it fire resistant, we should say, a fire resistant home.
[05:44] Kim Monson: And it's a product that goes on before the paint, and then they come in with their high quality paint over that.
[05:52] Kim Monson: Karen Gordey, I was trying to explain this new product that you have with radiant painting and lighting.
[05:58] Kim Monson: And I initially said fireproof, that was not correct.
[06:09] Karen Gordey: We go in and we prep the house like we normally would, scrape any peeling paint off, caulk, et cetera, after we have power washed.
[06:21] Karen Gordey: And then the fire resistant material goes on and it's
[06:26] Karen Gordey: like a dark gray and you just cover the entire house with this fire resistant material that's eco-friendly.
[06:34] Karen Gordey: And then we come back and put two full coats of paint over top of it.
[06:43] Karen Gordey: Essentially, it's a 30-minute burn time that is in the wildfire urban interface code.
[06:54] Karen Gordey: And really, if you get those embers hitting the house,
[06:57] Karen Gordey: it's not going to ignite because of the fire resistant material.
[07:02] Kim Monson: This is perfect for the foothills, Boulder, Golden.
[07:06] Kim Monson: And this is something that if people are thinking about painting their house with as dry as it is right now, they should call you immediately.
[07:25] Karen Gordey: And yes, give us a call at www.paintwithradiant.com.
[07:36] Kim Monson: And everybody can find your information on my website as well.
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[07:45] Kim Monson: Just click on sponsors and that'll bring you up to all the contact information.
[07:49] Kim Monson: Let's move over to the other thing that is consuming your life other than radiant painting and lighting.
[07:55] Kim Monson: And that is this special election in Lakewood.
[08:00] Kim Monson: And if somebody's new, explain what's happening.
[08:05] Karen Gordey: So last year, Lakewood City Council passed radical rezoning laws.
[08:13] Karen Gordey: Lakewood was meeting the state requirement of high density in the transit corridors.
[08:18] Karen Gordey: So they went further and essentially they did a blanket up zone of the entire city, which means the single family loss can be split.
[08:30] Karen Gordey: They can have duplexes, triplexes, townhomes,
[08:39] Karen Gordey: It was a high stakes election, lots of money at play.
[08:44] Karen Gordey: So yeah, we're trying to get this repealed.
[08:49] Karen Gordey: Vote yes against the ordinance to repeal or vote no if you want to keep the radical zoning changes.
[09:00] Kim Monson: I know that you've got volunteers that are out walking the neighborhoods.
[09:11] Karen Gordey: Some people did not receive their ballots until Tuesday or Wednesday.
[09:19] Karen Gordey: If this is going to come out to turnout, there is a belief, though, that this will be a low turnout election.
[09:30] Karen Gordey: I guess the last presidential election, there was 80% turnout during the presidential year.
[09:38] Karen Gordey: But the last time we had a special election was in 2019 with the strategic growth initiative and the turnout was 30%.
[09:51] Karen Gordey: That's actually probably a good thing for our side because we're super passionate, and those that want to repeal will be out in force.
[10:04] Kim Monson: Well, and it is a high-stakes situation.
[10:07] Kim Monson: And you can figure that out by just looking at the money and at LakewoodCitiesAlliance.org.
[10:19] Kim Monson: You have some financials there that are quite interesting.
[10:21] Kim Monson: And we actually did an article from the Kim Monson newsroom that I need to get over to you regarding this election.
[10:29] Kim Monson: One entity that put $75,000 into it, turns out that the people behind that is a former Enron executive who they're worth several billion dollars, but they put $75,000 into this.
[10:49] Karen Gordey: I think folks need to understand how Lakewood actually operates because seeing outside money in our elections is not new.
[10:57] Karen Gordey: Even when the mayor was elected, she got over $10,000 from the Realtor Association.
[11:04] Karen Gordey: Unfortunately, we're used to seeing thousands of outside influence influencing Lakewood's elections.
[11:18] Karen Gordey: I would get survey questionnaires for endorsements.
[11:26] Karen Gordey: I think it's noteworthy to point out the Home Builders Association said, you know, in their form, in writing, how much have you raised for your campaign?
[11:43] Karen Gordey: Yes, that is actually one of the questions in the Home Builders questionnaire for people running for office in Lakewood.
[11:55] Karen Gordey: And so that tells you the level of potential corruption.
[12:01] Karen Gordey: I want to be very careful not saying that anybody is corrupt, but the money talks, right, Kim?
[12:08] Diarization artifact: Right.
[12:09] Karen Gordey: And I think what stands out to me, and we, so a couple of things, we put that financial out there because the other side has flyers that literally says a new special interest group
[12:28] Karen Gordey: is trying to overturn the ordinances there is gop dark money involved and they're telling maga stylized this is a combination of two or three flyers to call the people the voters of lakewood a special interest group along with everything else is infuriating to say the least um and we when i when we split out the financials on our website
[12:58] Karen Gordey: They've got a $10,000 large donor from Lakewood and then approximately $3,600 from individuals within Lakewood.
[13:09] Karen Gordey: So that $3,600 is made up of city council, boards and commissions, and a few average citizens.
[13:17] Karen Gordey: The $10,000 donor from Lakewood donated in her personal name.
[13:23] Karen Gordey: But when you Google her, she is a principal for a private equity firm.
[13:28] Karen Gordey: that private equity firm bought land at an auction back in 2024 at Wadsworth and 285.
[13:36] Karen Gordey: And they've been working with city council to rezone it since 2024 so they can build 400 plus apartments.
[13:46] Karen Gordey: And I'm bringing that up because city council said over and over again that wards four and five are not gonna be impacted by the zoning, but that Wadsworth and 285
[13:59] Karen Gordey: is board five and my question is then how many other land deals are pending that we don't know about
[14:13] Kim Monson: And you guys have sourced all this.
[14:16] Kim Monson: You've connected that dot, and you're 100% sure on this connection.
[14:23] Karen Gordey: Because when they bought the land in Austin, there were news articles.
[14:32] Karen Gordey: So, yes, there is a lot of money coming in from out of state, from Boulder, from groups around Colorado.
[14:41] Karen Gordey: But it's so high stakes that they've got Ed Perlmutter's face on flyers.
[14:50] Karen Gordey: They've got Brittany Pedersen's face on flyers.
[14:53] Karen Gordey: Yesterday, Michael Bennett is now on social media on their page.
[14:58] Diarization artifact: Wow.
[14:58] Karen Gordey: One of the county commissioners sent an email out yesterday reinforcing special interest groups.
[15:06] Karen Gordey: And since when are voters a special interest group?
[15:10] Karen Gordey: I mean, maybe the dictionary definition, you know, you've got a group through a common interest, but when the average person sees special interest groups,
[15:24] Kim Monson: Well, and the other thing is, is that the group, the Lakewood Cities, Lakewood Citizens Alliance crosses all political parties, all political ideologies.
[15:37] Kim Monson: People can get more information at Lakewood.
[15:40] Kim Monson: citizens alliance.org okay great Karen Gordey keep the great work up regarding radiant painting and lighting and this great new product to fireproof homes and we're going to be recording for next week so we'll talk to you a little bit later keep up the great work
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[19:38] Kim Monson: And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
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[20:03] Kim Monson: And again, that tournament's May 14th.
[20:05] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Mary Janssen.
[20:08] Kim Monson: She is a fellow board member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which is an all-volunteer group that is watching legislation at the statehouse, taking positions on it.
[20:18] Kim Monson: How does it affect the taxpayer, TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights?
[20:24] Kim Monson: property rights, and parental rights.
[20:27] Kim Monson: The group has been, this is our 50th year, our 50th birthday, and it's really an amazing group.
[20:39] Kim Monson: And Mary Janssen, at one of our meetings, you said, wouldn't it be a good idea if, and explain to everybody, cut and gauge, this is pretty incredible, and it was your idea.
[20:54] Mary Janssen: I just saw somebody else using it in a different way.
[20:57] Mary Janssen: And I said, well, what if we made it where we could get more voices, more eyes on the bills, and more discussion to our legislators of what the people can read what we do?
[21:11] Mary Janssen: And people, you say taxpayers' bill of rights, and people roll their eyes like, I don't want to talk about money.
[21:16] Mary Janssen: I don't want to talk about the birds and the trees and the green things, right?
[21:20] Diarization artifact: Yeah.
[21:22] Kim Monson: They don't want to talk about the green things and it's the stuff in your pocket.
[21:27] Mary Janssen: But people, some people are more the artist type people and they just want to have fun, you know, and their parents take care of everything.
[21:34] Diarization artifact: Yeah.
[21:35] Mary Janssen: When you get older, that's when you realize you don't have any more of the green things in your pocket.
[21:40] Mary Janssen: So anyway, I just thought it would be a great idea.
[21:45] Mary Janssen: And you are the one that ran with it and got our wonderful person to get this to work.
[21:56] Kim Monson: And let's let's say thank you to our board members, because, Mary, it's a really amazing group of volunteers.
[22:02] Kim Monson: And that's Steve Dorman, Greg Galianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Janssen, you, Dave Evans, Corey Onizori, Paula Beard and Ray Beard.
[22:13] Kim Monson: And what's interesting is we don't all agree on everything all the time, but we have thoughtful conversations either online or at the meetings about these things and really kick the tires on these ideas.
[22:26] Kim Monson: And we have had legislators who have reached out and said,
[22:31] Kim Monson: Would you please, this is my reasoning why I have my name on this bill.
[22:38] Kim Monson: And we always do because we want to learn and be in the conversation on this, Mary.
[22:47] Mary Janssen: I was like, oh, my gosh, somebody reached out from that side.
[22:52] Kim Monson: It was Democrat Bob Marshall, and we had a really good conversation about that.
[22:57] Mary Janssen: We did, and we all thought about it, and I switched, and then I kind of came back, and then I'm like, okay, I'm going to think about this.
[23:05] Mary Janssen: But that's the big thing is that you need to think about these bills, and I think our legislators are not thinking about it.
[23:16] Mary Janssen: And they go in to their office and they say, oh, what are we going to do today?
[23:20] Mary Janssen: Let's go, this one's really going to hurt, and pull out that drawer, right?
[23:26] Kim Monson: And there is no way that they can read all these bills.
[23:31] Kim Monson: with many of these bills is special interest, write the legislation, they shop it and find a legislator to bring it forward.
[23:40] Kim Monson: And then many times it's somewhat rammed through.
[23:43] Kim Monson: So this is good with cut and Pam Long had said that our moniker should be that cut is your shortcut to see what's happening down at the state legislature.
[23:52] Kim Monson: So there's a couple of, so go to cut engaged.
[23:55] Kim Monson: Go to coloradotaxpayer.org, click on the cut engaged, and then we have the bills in chronological order as we put them on there.
[24:04] Kim Monson: So we put five bills up this week for you to take a position on.
[24:08] Kim Monson: And I think we need to have a race this next week, Mary, with all of our board members to see who can do it the fastest as far as the bills and weigh in on it.
[24:16] Kim Monson: I was able to do it in about between four and five minutes this week.
[24:28] Mary Janssen: Yes, because I always read it again and again because there's some of these bills.
[24:31] Mary Janssen: I just say, I have to read this thing 30 times to actually try to figure out what they're trying to do.
[24:36] Kim Monson: Well, let's talk about a couple of them.
[24:40] Kim Monson: House Bill 26-1313, Adjust Requirements on the Statewide Affordable Housing Fund.
[24:51] Kim Monson: This is augmenting a Proposition 123 that was on the ballot a few years ago that the people of Colorado voted for it.
[25:02] Kim Monson: And there were Democrats, but there were also very wealthy Republicans.
[25:08] Kim Monson: consultants on the Republican side that were pushing this as well because they were being paid handsomely to do that.
[25:16] Kim Monson: But then you get that in place and now you see the state legislature coming in and doubling down on it, right?
[25:29] Mary Janssen: You know, I went down the rabbit hole last night and I started looking at some of the largest employers in Colorado.
[25:38] Mary Janssen: Of course, it's the federal government and the state government.
[25:42] Mary Janssen: I don't know how that affects them, but it probably does.
[25:46] Mary Janssen: But Walmart, this bill is really going to affect Walmart.
[25:54] Kim Monson: So let's go over and talk about that one.
[25:55] Kim Monson: I was talking about the housing fund.
[26:00] Kim Monson: Because we want to talk about both of them.
[26:02] Mary Janssen: Okay, so I didn't go down the rabbit hole on this one because it's so confusing that I pretty much just said no because I can't figure it out.
[26:10] Kim Monson: James Madison said if legislation is so complicated that you can't understand it, then we should not be bringing that forward.
[26:18] Kim Monson: So that is House Bill 26-1313, and we're a no on that.
[26:22] Kim Monson: Let's get over here to this House Bill 26-1327, large employer worker health care support.
[26:28] Kim Monson: Okay, that's the one you went down the rabbit hole.
[26:31] Mary Janssen: This is the one I went down the rabbit hole because this is going to cause so many economic problems for our state, which we don't need at this time.
[26:39] Mary Janssen: And, well, and I would never put this bill in anyway.
[26:44] Mary Janssen: Yeah, so what it says is that it wants to charge a fee.
[26:47] Mary Janssen: If you have more employees, if you're an employer and you have more employees, you have employees, over 500 employees who qualify for state aid in health care insurance.
[27:06] Mary Janssen: And the fee is $2,300 per qualifying employee.
[27:10] Mary Janssen: So I went down and I started thinking, okay, three largest employees, employers in this state.
[27:24] Mary Janssen: I didn't get the number on that one, but it's a lot.
[27:27] Mary Janssen: And, you know, there could be some people that are on Medicaid employees.
[27:31] Mary Janssen: You know, these people will lose their whole health insurance or maybe they need to get health insurance and that's what this is about.
[27:40] Mary Janssen: Or Walmart's just going to start closing stores and that's going to cause a problem.
[27:48] Mary Janssen: They employ 4,000 people in our state and it's probably the same with them.
[27:55] Kim Monson: And we have taken no positions on that.
[27:57] Kim Monson: If you want to learn more about all this, a couple of things.
[28:04] Kim Monson: It's only $25 a year, $2.08 a month.
[28:09] Kim Monson: I hardly ever get designer coffee, but I met someone for coffee the other day, Mary.
[28:14] Kim Monson: And I think the coffee that I had a medium coffee and that medium coffee would have bought three months of membership for coloradotaxpayers.org.
[28:27] Mary Janssen: And once you get into this, you get hooked.
[28:33] Mary Janssen: Once you start reading these bills, it's like, oh, I want to do something.
[28:37] Mary Janssen: And then just using CutEngage, you can either copy it or you can write your own little message to them also.
[28:44] Mary Janssen: And you just go back to where your legislators are at and also talk to them.
[28:51] Mary Janssen: When I was on city council also, and when I was on city council, we always had this thing, well, more people were for this than against it.
[29:03] Mary Janssen: they would say something else, you know, instead of that.
[29:07] Kim Monson: And so this is a way for people that care about what's going on, but they're busy and they can't get down to the Capitol.
[29:16] Kim Monson: They can't do the Zoom component of it.
[29:18] Kim Monson: So within five minutes, once a week, you can have your voice heard.
[29:22] Kim Monson: I'm seeing more and more people use this.
[29:25] Kim Monson: And again, coloradotaxpayer.org, join us.
[29:28] Kim Monson: And if you do, you will also get the email that we send to the legislators and the governor
[29:32] Kim Monson: on mondays after we've reviewed the bills that are scheduled for hearing and the ones that we had selected and as always mary it is so great to have you on the board and all the great work that you do and again that's Mary Janssen jansen photography thank you for all that you do oh thank you kim and just remember to enjoy this beautiful springtime that we're having absolutely even though there's so much out there we are blessed people so mary have a great day absolutely bye kim
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[33:29] Kim Monson: understands that we must have free fair honest and transparent elections and if we don't we will lose this great american idea that's based on these foundational principles that all men are created equal with these rights from god of life liberty and pursuit of happiness and this year at the 250th birthday
[33:49] Kim Monson: of our country's founding, we, I think, are in a way at our 1775 moment to make sure that we can reclaim liberty for our country.
[33:59] Kim Monson: And it's through making sure that we have free, fair, honest and transparent elections.
[34:04] Kim Monson: And I was introduced to our next guest by a mutual colleague and pleased to welcome Dr. Rick Richards to the show.
[34:18] Kim Monson: And tell us a little bit about you, Dr. Richards.
[34:24] Dr. Rick Richards: Well, I'm a family physician.
[34:27] Dr. Rick Richards: I practiced medicine for a number of years, served 15 years in the Army and then went to the Medical College of Georgia where I was on the faculty.
[34:36] Dr. Rick Richards: I taught things like research and
[34:42] Dr. Rick Richards: did a great deal of research myself.
[34:45] Dr. Rick Richards: And then I started getting into healthcare technology and I wrote a number of computer programs to increase the efficiency and lower the cost of healthcare.
[34:56] Dr. Rick Richards: And then in 2020, like many people, I paid attention to what was going on and decided that there needed to be a computer tool that would help clean up the voter rolls.
[35:08] Kim Monson: Okay, and so you and your son went to work on that, yes?
[35:13] Dr. Rick Richards: Nope, I went to work on it myself.
[35:16] Dr. Rick Richards: My son was an advisor, and by being involved peripherally, he decided to develop his own product.
[35:24] Dr. Rick Richards: Okay.
[35:25] Dr. Rick Richards: So he has a separate company, and he's working on his own product, and I have Ellie.
[35:30] Kim Monson: Okay, so tell us about Ellie, and how do you spell that?
[35:34] Dr. Rick Richards: E-L-L-Y.
[35:36] Dr. Rick Richards: Okay.
[35:36] Dr. Rick Richards: It's Ellie the Electrolist.
[35:38] Dr. Rick Richards: I went around and interviewed scores of election officials, and I asked them, what do you do when you run into this problem?
[35:48] Dr. Rick Richards: We check the elector list.
[35:50] Dr. Rick Richards: What do you do when you run into this problem?
[35:52] Dr. Rick Richards: We check the elector list.
[35:54] Dr. Rick Richards: It seemed like the universal solution was checking the elector list, which...
[36:00] Dr. Rick Richards: seemed totally irrational.
[36:02] Dr. Rick Richards: So we decided to name it Ellie the Elector List.
[36:05] Kim Monson: Okay, and when you talk to these election officials, the question was, how do you clean up the voter rolls or what's going on with the voter rolls?
[36:20] Dr. Rick Richards: We spend hours and hours and hours interviewing them.
[36:23] Dr. Rick Richards: We ask them step by step, what is your process?
[36:26] Dr. Rick Richards: uh they wouldn't show us the records obviously but they would tell us exactly what they were doing step by step and each of the steps where there could be a problem we would say what do you do about this problem for example what do you do when they you have a registration that's not completed correctly what do you do when you notice that there's no middle name what do you do when you notice their registration address is after
[36:55] Dr. Rick Richards: their vote date what do you do when uh the name doesn't make sense it's got special characters in it like people named 861 just doesn't seem normal and we found there are there are ways to fix problems but nobody seems to be i should say nobody the majority seem to be not interested in doing any administrative support and fixing the problems
[37:24] Dr. Rick Richards: the county election officials we've talked to almost overwhelmingly are good people that want to do a good job however they don't have the budget they don't have the personnel and they don't have the tools they don't have the policies and procedures they are under direct instructions from the secretary of state to do it this way instead of the best way or the right way
[37:50] Dr. Rick Richards: So there are a lot of barriers for good people working in election offices to do the right thing.
[37:56] Kim Monson: And how many different states did you do these interviews in?
[38:02] Kim Monson: Or I guess many different counties.
[38:07] Dr. Rick Richards: It was county by county.
[38:08] Dr. Rick Richards: We have talked to some secretary of states as well and some state offices as well.
[38:13] Dr. Rick Richards: I can't tell you how many.
[38:14] Dr. Rick Richards: It's been five years, almost six years now.
[38:18] Kim Monson: And which states or how many counties?
[38:22] Dr. Rick Richards: Well, there are 3,143 counties.
[38:27] Dr. Rick Richards: We have data from 45 states.
[38:30] Dr. Rick Richards: So we have the voter rolls from 45 states.
[38:33] Dr. Rick Richards: We work with any of the counties that want to work with us.
[38:36] Dr. Rick Richards: And we also make LE available to the public.
[38:40] Dr. Rick Richards: So you're looking at...
[38:40] Dr. Rick Richards: We currently have two...
[38:47] Dr. Rick Richards: I have it written down here.
[38:48] Dr. Rick Richards: We have 226,424,327 voter registrations from 45 states and the District of Columbia.
[39:03] Kim Monson: And so you've looked at these registrations.
[39:07] Kim Monson: The voter rolls here in Colorado...
[39:09] Kim Monson: Well, actually, with a couple of different groups, our listeners raised money for a couple of lawsuits during 2024.
[39:17] Kim Monson: One was with Unite for Freedom, which is the group founded by Harry Howery and Marlee Hornick.
[39:26] Kim Monson: And Marlee's now doing something in New York, but...
[39:29] Kim Monson: But we raised the money that said Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by elections.
[39:35] Kim Monson: And then with Peter Brunegger with Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, we raised money where he'd gone through and done some technology.
[39:46] Kim Monson: But we found that those voter rolls were not clean.
[39:49] Kim Monson: Those lawsuits are just out there in in legal land right now.
[39:56] Kim Monson: And then there was a HAVA complaint that was recently filed by Peter and Unite for Freedom regarding Colorado.
[40:08] Kim Monson: Have you taken a good look at anything here in Colorado yet, Dr. Richards?
[40:14] Dr. Rick Richards: Well, we have Colorado in the alley.
[40:17] Dr. Rick Richards: And I can give you the exact numbers.
[40:21] Dr. Rick Richards: You have four, as of the February 23rd, 26th voter roll, you have 4.49 million registrants.
[40:32] Dr. Rick Richards: You have, let me scroll down then, roughly 29% of them, 1.3 million registrants, have a case.
[40:42] Dr. Rick Richards: A case is a reason to look at it further.
[40:45] Dr. Rick Richards: Let me give you a couple examples.
[40:47] Dr. Rick Richards: Under the section incomplete data or error, you have 530,000 registrants who did not register with their full legal name.
[40:58] Dr. Rick Richards: That's a significant problem.
[41:01] Dr. Rick Richards: Your state legislators require registering with a full legal name.
[41:09] Dr. Rick Richards: Colorado revised statutes, Title I, Article II.
[41:14] Dr. Rick Richards: Provide the electors name in full or legal name.
[41:18] Dr. Rick Richards: So you got half a million problems right there that prevent matching, prevent duplicates, prevent cross-state problems.
[41:27] Dr. Rick Richards: Your registration form says number two, name.
[41:32] Dr. Rick Richards: Provide your current legal name in red, bold, required.
[41:38] Dr. Rick Richards: Yet half a million people, roughly 15%,
[41:44] Dr. Rick Richards: don't comply with the law.
[41:47] Dr. Rick Richards: Under registration address, this is those case, those registrations that are provided to the post office and verified by the post office
[41:58] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 604 registered at the UPS.
[42:02] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 46,986 who have an error in the street number.
[42:08] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 84,463 who didn't put their apartment number.
[42:15] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 25,339 that the street number doesn't exist.
[42:24] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 21,346 where the registration doesn't even have a street name.
[42:30] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 8,175 that are getting their mail at a corporation, a drop box, which is not allowed.
[42:41] Dr. Rick Richards: Would you like me to go on?
[42:42] Dr. Rick Richards: You have 407,000 who have moved, told the post office it was permanent, signed an affidavit testifying that it's true.
[42:50] Dr. Rick Richards: 407,000 don't live at their registration address.
[42:56] Dr. Rick Richards: 9% of the registrations in Colorado don't live at their permanent address.
[43:04] Kim Monson: And I want to go to that first number.
[43:10] Kim Monson: I wasn't, I didn't, the very first thing was the one above the, you said 46,000 had an error.
[43:19] Kim Monson: It was whatever you said right before that.
[43:21] Dr. Rick Richards: So there are 530,000 that either have a blank middle name or a middle initial.
[43:31] Dr. Rick Richards: Now, 15% of the population has no middle name.
[43:34] Dr. Rick Richards: So you got about half a million people who didn't fill out their full legal name.
[43:40] Dr. Rick Richards: Basic.
[43:41] Dr. Rick Richards: First thing, excuse me, it's the second thing on the voter registration form.
[43:46] Dr. Rick Richards: Every one of those are easily fixed.
[43:50] Dr. Rick Richards: But somebody's chosen not to fix them.
[43:53] Kim Monson: And this, and again, what was the day that this report was done or what was the timeframe?
[44:01] Dr. Rick Richards: February 23rd, 26.
[44:03] Dr. Rick Richards: So one month ago, it's current data.
[44:07] Dr. Rick Richards: And it points out to a very significant problem.
[44:11] Dr. Rick Richards: But the fact that when this registration was submitted,
[44:15] Dr. Rick Richards: Nobody looked at the name, means they also didn't look at the rest of the information on the application.
[44:22] Dr. Rick Richards: They just rubber stamped it, made them active, gave them the right to vote.
[44:28] Dr. Rick Richards: And that generates a ballot.
[44:31] Dr. Rick Richards: No, that generates a registration, and from that registration generates everything else regarding the election.
[44:39] Dr. Rick Richards: Colorado may be a mail ballot.
[44:42] Dr. Rick Richards: Do they mail a ballot out to everybody?
[44:44] Dr. Rick Richards: Yes.
[44:45] Dr. Rick Richards: Yeah, so, yep, they get a ballot.
[44:47] Kim Monson: We're going to continue this discussion with Dr. Rick Richards, who has this computer program called Ellie regarding looking at the voter registration list.
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[47:32] Kim Monson: We're talking with Dr. Rick Richards, who's created a computer tool called Ellie that can look at voter rolls.
[47:42] Kim Monson: We're talking about February 3rd, 2026.
[47:46] Kim Monson: First of all, I know that there are programs out there that are quite expensive.
[47:52] Kim Monson: How much does it cost for people to ask you to help them regarding the voter rolls in their state?
[48:01] Dr. Rick Richards: We're making LA available at no charge to county election offices and people who are registered to vote with active status.
[48:12] Dr. Rick Richards: They can go to the electoralist.com and fill out the information.
[48:17] Dr. Rick Richards: They can also validate their own vote.
[48:19] Dr. Rick Richards: They can look up themselves.
[48:20] Dr. Rick Richards: They can find out how many people are registered at that address.
[48:25] Dr. Rick Richards: They can see their voting history.
[48:27] Kim Monson: And it's electoralist, or how do you spell that?
[48:32] Dr. Rick Richards: the elector e-l-e-c-t-o-r list dot com okay okay if they want to get want to get credentials they fill out forms send it in we have a team that vets people uh if you're normal people
[48:50] Dr. Rick Richards: Not bad actors, you're likely to get in, but it'll take a few days to run the background check.
[48:56] Dr. Rick Richards: But if they want credentials, just let us know.
[49:04] Kim Monson: We we've heard that there's different analysis that has been done that has said that one day.
[49:13] Kim Monson: And I think something happened in Texas.
[49:16] Kim Monson: We're going to be talking with Tina Peters, Colorado attorney John Case in the next hour about some difference in voting lists day to day.
[49:27] Kim Monson: Is that something that Ellie does is compare day to day?
[49:32] Dr. Rick Richards: no we did not we get data every two months like eric does uh but we have it set up so individuals can go in i um in colorado we have uh for example i'm gonna say i'm looking at data here we have 4 621 people registered at one address in el paso colorado
[50:02] Dr. Rick Richards: Individuals can, yeah.
[50:05] Dr. Rick Richards: And we have 2,054 people registered at the same address in Denver.
[50:12] Dr. Rick Richards: And we have 1,452 people registered at one address at Fort Carson.
[50:18] Dr. Rick Richards: And these may be a legitimate address.
[50:23] Dr. Rick Richards: But they need to be looked at.
[50:24] Dr. Rick Richards: So in addition to looking up your own, citizens can actually work the data sets in LA and get the documentary evidence.
[50:34] Dr. Rick Richards: They click the button and find the address.
[50:36] Dr. Rick Richards: Click the button, get a picture.
[50:37] Dr. Rick Richards: Click the button.
[50:38] Dr. Rick Richards: There are all sorts of tools in there to do this.
[50:41] Dr. Rick Richards: And when they work it and attach the documentation to the record and hit
[50:47] Dr. Rick Richards: submit, it actually sends that information to their county election office.
[50:53] Dr. Rick Richards: And their county election office can then look at it and make a decision as to whether to research further or take the appropriate actions.
[51:02] Dr. Rick Richards: So we're not filing challenges.
[51:05] Dr. Rick Richards: We're just like any citizen calling up and saying, my Aunt Peg died.
[51:09] Dr. Rick Richards: You might want to check that out.
[51:11] Dr. Rick Richards: So we're not encouraging people to make challenges.
[51:15] Dr. Rick Richards: We're encouraging people to volunteer to help their own county election office.
[51:20] Kim Monson: OK, what about I've always been concerned that there's like been voter registration drives on colleges like CSU, CU, which once we walk this through this, once a registration has been created, then here in Colorado, that will generate a ballot vote.
[51:43] Kim Monson: And I've been concerned that when these kids leave college, that that ballot is still being generated and going to those college campuses.
[51:56] Kim Monson: Is there any way to check that out?
[51:59] Dr. Rick Richards: Yeah, of course that is.
[52:00] Dr. Rick Richards: We have the property tax records.
[52:03] Dr. Rick Richards: We have 159 million property tax records.
[52:06] Dr. Rick Richards: So we can correlate it, Eric.
[52:09] Dr. Rick Richards: One of the cases is land use code.
[52:11] Dr. Rick Richards: So we can, I'm going to go down to land use code.
[52:15] Dr. Rick Richards: Let's make sure I'm in Colorado.
[52:16] Dr. Rick Richards: Yes, 223, 26 state.
[52:18] Dr. Rick Richards: Go down to land use codes, open up that thing, and it will tell me.
[52:25] Dr. Rick Richards: colleges, private schools, registration address.
[52:28] Dr. Rick Richards: Here we have a church, 4,127 people are registered at their church.
[52:35] Dr. Rick Richards: Vacant land, 23,900.
[52:39] Dr. Rick Richards: It's basically just National Land Use Code correlated to voter registration address.
[52:45] Dr. Rick Richards: So on students, students should be registered at the same address
[52:51] Dr. Rick Richards: as their address for tuition.
[52:54] Dr. Rick Richards: That's their permanent address.
[52:57] Dr. Rick Richards: Registration should not occur at student post office boxes because that's a chain of custody issue.
[53:03] Dr. Rick Richards: A person cannot live in a post office box.
[53:08] Dr. Rick Richards: Federal law prevents registering at a PO box.
[53:12] Dr. Rick Richards: They can't be registered in the dorm unless there's special state legislation that allows that because a dorm is not a permanent residence.
[53:20] Dr. Rick Richards: So students should not be registering at campus and student IDs should not be allowed for voter ID.
[53:29] Kim Monson: Do you have at your fingertips anything regarding people registered at colleges?
[53:37] Dr. Rick Richards: I have to look them up one by one, but here we have...
[53:37] Dr. Rick Richards: And not all colleges are listed as educational institutions.
[53:48] Dr. Rick Richards: So I'll try to find...
[53:49] Dr. Rick Richards: Here's government public use, 4,439.
[53:51] Dr. Rick Richards: Tax exempt, which could be a college, 5,249.
[53:58] Dr. Rick Richards: Charitable organization, 4,676.
[54:00] Dr. Rick Richards: Even a community center.
[54:06] Dr. Rick Richards: 1,481.
[54:07] Dr. Rick Richards: Not many people live in those.
[54:11] Dr. Rick Richards: Wow.
[54:11] Dr. Rick Richards: So they are broken out by type, by land code use.
[54:18] Kim Monson: This is actually a little bit overwhelming for me.
[54:22] Kim Monson: And I'm just trying to think about, this is a rabbit hole that I could go down big time.
[54:28] Kim Monson: But then the what to do about it, what should we do about it?
[54:33] Dr. Rick Richards: They should make it known to the county election officials.
[54:37] Dr. Rick Richards: I suggest a coffee and donuts approach.
[54:39] Dr. Rick Richards: You drop by one day.
[54:41] Dr. Rick Richards: You pick an address, pick a subject.
[54:43] Dr. Rick Richards: You find so many cases.
[54:46] Dr. Rick Richards: You click a button, and you can print out an Excel or CSV of those with the hot link, hyperlink to the documentary evidence.
[54:53] Dr. Rick Richards: And you can take that into your local county with some coffee and donuts and say, I wanted to let you know Aunt Peg died.
[54:59] Dr. Rick Richards: Here's some other people who have died.
[55:00] Dr. Rick Richards: Here are their obituaries.
[55:02] Dr. Rick Richards: And you be nice.
[55:04] Dr. Rick Richards: You're trying to help these people out.
[55:06] Kim Monson: And as you say, most of these county clerks really are people that are wanting to do a good job.
[55:16] Dr. Rick Richards: Absolutely.
[55:17] Dr. Rick Richards: Overwhelmingly, they want to do a job, and they're good people.
[55:21] Dr. Rick Richards: I have found rare the occasion that they don't want help with their job.
[55:27] Dr. Rick Richards: They're overworked.
[55:28] Dr. Rick Richards: They don't have time.
[55:29] Dr. Rick Richards: They have date restrictions due to elections.
[55:32] Dr. Rick Richards: Most states allow for volunteers, even deputy registrars as volunteers at the county level.
[55:39] Dr. Rick Richards: So you go in and take them a few cases.
[55:42] Dr. Rick Richards: They find out they're valid.
[55:45] Dr. Rick Richards: You go back.
[55:46] Dr. Rick Richards: You bring them a few more cases, and they'll say, gosh, that last set was valid.
[55:51] Dr. Rick Richards: Where do you get this data?
[55:53] Dr. Rick Richards: Well, I get the data from ELI.
[55:54] Dr. Rick Richards: It's a program that will help us do that.
[55:57] Dr. Rick Richards: Then they say, can I have credentials?
[56:00] Dr. Rick Richards: And yes, they can.
[56:02] Dr. Rick Richards: So they apply for credentials.
[56:04] Dr. Rick Richards: We give them credentials.
[56:06] Dr. Rick Richards: And then the local volunteers work to help the county do its job.
[56:11] Dr. Rick Richards: It's no different than serving at the food kitchen or other volunteer things neighbors do all the time.
[56:18] Dr. Rick Richards: Local people are interested in keeping their voter rolls accurate.
[56:24] Kim Monson: And this website is TheElectorList.com.
[56:36] Kim Monson: Dr. Richards, this has been absolutely fascinating.
[56:39] Kim Monson: And we're going to have to talk again very soon.
[56:44] Dr. Rick Richards: Yes, ma'am.
[56:45] Dr. Rick Richards: Thank you for the opportunity to chat.
[56:48] Kim Monson: And again, that website is theelectorlist.com.
[56:52] Kim Monson: And I have a feeling that a lot of you are going to be doing some homework this weekend.
[56:58] Kim Monson: And this quote of the show is so appropriate that from C.S.
[57:02] Kim Monson: Lewis, he says, we meet no ordinary people in our lives.
[57:10] Kim Monson: And so, my friends, today be grateful.
[57:18] Kim Monson: And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[58:48] Kim Monson: indeed let's have a conversation and welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson show thank you so much for joining us you each are treasured your value you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you to the team that's producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting that was some first hour producer joe
[59:16] Kim Monson: And if you missed it, it will rebroadcast today, 1 to 2 in the afternoon.
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[60:18] Kim Monson: As you know, we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[60:23] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it.
[60:27] Kim Monson: On the show, we focus on the issues and talk about the people with those issues, but we stay out of the personality, emotion, passion, all of that, because you do not get good information, you do not make good decisions when you're over there.
[60:43] Kim Monson: But there's a lot of that in politics, and there is a reason why.
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[61:20] Kim Monson: Our word of the day is hubris, H-U-B-R-I-S, and it could be excessive pride or self-confidence, arrogance.
[61:32] Kim Monson: What I'm seeing from many of these PBIs is real hubris as they will not listen or really acknowledge the people that they are supposed to be representing, which is we the people, instead representing ideologies that are antithetical to the American idea.
[61:51] Kim Monson: And also representing special interests.
[61:54] Kim Monson: And I would highly recommend that you go to LakewoodCitizensAlliance.org and follow the money on this referendum, this special election.
[62:07] Kim Monson: And you can learn a lot when you follow the money.
[62:10] Kim Monson: And there's a lot of hubris going on.
[62:12] Kim Monson: Out there with some PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties.
[62:17] Kim Monson: And our quote of the day is from C.S.
[62:20] Kim Monson: He was a British author, literary scholar, Anglican, lay theologian, born in 1898, died in 1963.
[62:27] Kim Monson: So he lived through World War I and World War II.
[62:33] Kim Monson: And they, there at Oxford, they had a group that would get together and talk about ideas and talk about the things they were writing called the Inklings.
[62:42] Kim Monson: And I think he served in World War I.
[62:49] Kim Monson: But clearly he lived through World War I, the bombing of London, the Battle of Britain in World War II.
[62:55] Kim Monson: But he said this, and I pull this because we're in tumultuous times today.
[62:59] Kim Monson: as well and he said the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together if we're going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things praying working teaching reading listening to music bathing the children playing tennis chatting to our friends over a pint in a game of darts not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs and that is c.s lewis and i just thought that was very appropriate
[63:28] Kim Monson: for these really tumultuous times that we are in right now.
[63:32] Kim Monson: We've got to stay focused and rely on our faith as well.
[63:37] Kim Monson: And we are blessed to work with so many wonderful people.
[63:41] Kim Monson: And one of those great sponsors is Karen Levine.
[63:44] Kim Monson: And I'm thinking that we're getting her on the, I think we're having computer challenges.
[63:49] Kim Monson: So while we're doing that, let me just mention a couple of other things.
[63:52] Kim Monson: We have Karen Levine, Remax Realtor.
[64:00] Kim Monson: We're having a little technology challenges here and there this morning, which is always fun with live radio.
[64:07] Karen Levine: That makes for an interesting morning, right?
[64:14] Kim Monson: But let's talk residential real estate here in the metro area.
[64:19] Kim Monson: I know that you're quite busy right now.
[64:28] Karen Levine: I was thinking this morning about the things that are stable, that are things we can predict.
[64:37] Karen Levine: And that is if you hire a professional to sell your home, you prepare your home, you price it right, your home sells.
[64:48] Karen Levine: And that is consistent from market to market.
[64:51] Karen Levine: And we're seeing in that first-time homebuyer price range kind of that 450 to 600 multiple offers on good, clean, well-priced houses.
[65:03] Karen Levine: And so buyers, I don't think, are anticipating that kind of competition anymore.
[65:10] Karen Levine: And yet there's been good activity in the high end as well.
[65:17] Karen Levine: But again, those homes that are prepared and priced well are selling.
[65:22] Kim Monson: Well, and when you say prepare, it seems like a no-brainer that preparation would mean that the house would be clean and uncluttered.
[65:34] Kim Monson: But I've heard stories that that's not the case sometimes.
[65:40] Karen Levine: What's important is cleanliness will buy you a lot of dollars.
[65:47] Karen Levine: Each person lives in their home differently than what you want your home to be presented as when you sell it.
[65:55] Karen Levine: And so I utilize a professional stager who, in many cases, they have a degree in interior design and they understand space and color and those type of things.
[66:09] Karen Levine: So they will go in and help us arrange furniture, place art, so that when we take those photos...
[66:17] Karen Levine: which is the first thing the consumer is seeing, and they're seeing those online, they are attracted to the property and want to see more.
[66:25] Karen Levine: They want to get inside and be able to touch and feel what they saw in those photos.
[66:31] Karen Levine: In our preparing, we bring in my stager and we do, if the house has furniture, we do what's called a walk and talk.
[66:40] Karen Levine: And we go room by room and say, hey, we're going to recommend that you pack up these accessories to give a cleaner look.
[66:53] Karen Levine: But those are things we want to depersonalize your home so that when someone walks in, they start moving their things in.
[67:04] Karen Levine: And so it has been very, very effective over the decades.
[67:13] Kim Monson: Well, and I think that's interesting.
[67:15] Kim Monson: But when somebody's walking through the home,
[67:18] Kim Monson: to look at it you don't want it to be a situation they're like oh this is somebody else's house you want them to be thinking about oh how could i live in this room or whatever i've got a funny little story you were able to help some colleagues of mine uh sell and then buy a house and i walked in i said oh i love that centerpiece and he said oh that's karen levine's
[67:43] Karen Levine: Yeah, I have a section of my basement that has accessories and art and linen because I find it...
[67:52] Karen Levine: it's an expense I rather not impose on my clientele.
[67:56] Karen Levine: And so if I have it, they get to borrow it.
[67:59] Karen Levine: And so it goes into their homes and then I come and collect everything the day before closing and put it into somebody else's house.
[68:07] Karen Levine: And there was a period of time, I think almost all my art was out in houses.
[68:14] Karen Levine: And I have not had a realtor say, I've seen that picture in many houses over the years.
[68:21] Diarization artifact: So
[68:24] Kim Monson: How can people reach you, Karen Levine, if they want to buy a home or sell a home?
[68:32] Kim Monson: And we'll talk with you later today because we're going to prerecord for next week.
[68:37] Kim Monson: We've got some amazing shows planned and already recorded.
[68:40] Kim Monson: And so we'll talk with you later today and then in person in a couple of weeks.
[68:47] Kim Monson: And that's Karen Levine, 303-877-7516.
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[72:42] Kim Monson: On the line with me is Susan Harris, and she and her family are goal sponsors of the show, which we greatly appreciate.
[72:49] Kim Monson: She lives in Arizona, so I like to talk with her about what's going on in Arizona, and we've got...
[72:55] Kim Monson: some interesting things to talk about.
[73:04] Kim Monson: And what did you think of Dr. Rick Richards in hour number one?
[73:12] Susan Harris: And I'm going to go on his website and do a little digging very soon.
[73:18] Susan Harris: I mean, if not today, it's definitely on my to-do list.
[73:23] Susan Harris: at all the information he had at his fingertips and how glaringly erroneous a lot of the voter registrations are just in Colorado.
[73:36] Kim Monson: Well, and that's on my list of things to do as well.
[73:41] Kim Monson: And the first thing you had, this is from just the news.
[73:45] Kim Monson: And we've been talking about this via text.
[73:48] Kim Monson: This was a few weeks ago that the FBI secretly seizes election records from Arizona's largest county as voting probe expands.
[74:04] Susan Harris: You know, it's hard to drill down and know exactly what records they're talking about.
[74:11] Susan Harris: So I read very closely, and the only records that they subpoenaed were from the current Senate president, who was Warren Peterson.
[74:22] Susan Harris: And I believe what they subpoenaed was the records from the 2020 Maricopa County audit.
[74:33] Susan Harris: I am not aware that they have actually, well, and I don't even know if the record still exists for the actual 2020 election.
[74:41] Susan Harris: There are rules about destroying election records.
[74:46] Susan Harris: I mean, surprisingly quickly after the election happened, the records are destroyed.
[74:53] Susan Harris: So I don't even know if those records are available, but I do know that the supervisor board, the county clerks, none of those people have been subpoenaed for the records.
[75:03] Susan Harris: So this is just records that Warren Peterson would have access to.
[75:08] Susan Harris: And I believe that would only be those audit records.
[75:15] Susan Harris: And I participated in that audit as a matter of fact.
[75:24] Susan Harris: I don't know if anyone in Colorado went online and watched some of the recounts that we did.
[75:30] Susan Harris: You could go online and watch us literally manually recount every ballot that was cast in the 2020 election.
[75:39] Susan Harris: And I spent hours at that venue helping manually recount all the ballots.
[75:51] Susan Harris: We didn't get really a lot of changes to the, we got zero changes to the election results.
[75:58] Susan Harris: And as a participant in that audit, I have no idea what they really uncovered, if anything, of merit.
[76:07] Susan Harris: In the report, they did say there were 200,000 ballots with signature irregularities that may have been counted without being reviewed or cured.
[76:19] Susan Harris: and that the county had recently only said there were 25,000 of those types of problems.
[76:27] Susan Harris: The other thing we ran into was I'm not sure if they were
[76:31] Susan Harris: taking notes on quote-unquote mail-in ballots that had no folding lines in them in that we were counting ballots that were never actually mailed.
[76:44] Susan Harris: So there's still a lot of mystery about what really happened in that audit and what happened to all the data.
[76:52] Susan Harris: So I don't know, it's just very interesting.
[76:56] Susan Harris: There was so much contention at that time about the election and the election results.
[77:02] Susan Harris: It was very difficult for anyone to even speak about the idea that there was a problem with the election.
[77:09] Susan Harris: And any issues that may have been discovered
[77:15] Susan Harris: would have been suppressed very quickly by the Biden administration.
[77:20] Susan Harris: And we know how they weaponized the justice system.
[77:25] Susan Harris: So everyone was pretty scared to take any significant action.
[77:35] Kim Monson: Susan Harris, don't you find it curious?
[77:38] Kim Monson: Because I think in Colorado, I think the federal law is that you have to keep election records for 24 months.
[77:48] Kim Monson: And I think it's 27 months here in Colorado.
[77:52] Kim Monson: Well, we as individuals have to keep our tax records for seven years.
[78:01] Susan Harris: And I don't know if they do that because once we've moved on from the election, they don't want any kind of contention because it would cause, you know, a lot of upheaval in the country.
[78:15] Kim Monson: you know to go back and look at things i mean it seems like if everything was but if things were on the up and up then it seems like we'd want to keep those records so that we have that and can prove that um i mean that's my feeling um you know it it is truly mind-blowing the lack of transparency around our election records um well and if we don't have free fair honest and transparent elections
[78:45] Kim Monson: Susan Harris, then this great constitutional Republic is in peril.
[78:53] Susan Harris: And you know, what's interesting is that, so the FBI subpoenaed Warren Peterson for those audit records.
[79:14] Susan Harris: Is any type of record actually ever deleted?
[79:20] Susan Harris: I'm not a technology expert, but it sure seems like when records are truly wanted by the Department of Justice, somehow they get them.
[79:39] Susan Harris: There's so many shadow, you know, ways to access records that were supposedly deleted.
[79:48] Susan Harris: I don't know if anything is ever actually 100% deleted.
[79:51] Susan Harris: What does the FBI know and why are they looking at this old audit?
[79:57] Susan Harris: that based on the results that we were given, really didn't give us any information that would say you could overturn an election or that things need to be recounted again or we need to look at those Dominion machines because they're not correct.
[80:17] Susan Harris: I mean, we didn't get any real evidence to use.
[80:24] Kim Monson: And I wanted to bring up something that I just found really interesting as I was preparing for our conversation about Arizona.
[80:37] Kim Monson: It says Hobbs, who is the governor of Arizona, halts budget talks over Proposition 123.
[80:45] Kim Monson: And what stuck out to me is, it says that they have until, House and the Republican lawmakers have until June 30th to decide how to spend around $17 billion next fiscal year.
[81:01] Kim Monson: And their budget blow up suggests it could take them until then to reach an agreement.
[81:06] Kim Monson: I think I better take a little stronger look at this.
[81:08] Kim Monson: I was thinking your budget was 17 billion, but it may be more than that.
[81:14] Kim Monson: Our budget is $44 billion, and they want to up that.
[81:19] Kim Monson: And there are about a million more people that live in Arizona than in Colorado.
[81:26] Kim Monson: So if, in fact, it's a $17 billion budget down there in Arizona, it means that Colorado is spending a whole lot of money is my bottom line on that.
[81:38] Susan Harris: I'm not sure what our total budget is for the year.
[81:41] Susan Harris: What I find fascinating, and this happens every year, is that budget doesn't get approved until sometime in June.
[81:49] Susan Harris: I mean, it just takes for six months to approve a budget and get all the negotiations hammered out.
[81:58] Susan Harris: It's really disturbing to me that that's what happens.
[82:03] Susan Harris: Right now, there's a huge battle going on between the governor and the legislature here.
[82:08] Susan Harris: And it's relating to just our income tax forms do not conform with federal law.
[82:17] Susan Harris: So, you know, the federal tax law is all changed.
[82:21] Susan Harris: And what most states do is they ratify their state tax forms to comply or to conform with the federal tax forms so that that taxable income number just comes right off the federal tax form based on federal law.
[82:38] Susan Harris: Katie Hobbs will not approve or she has vetoed all the legislation that conforms our state Arizona tax forms to the federal law.
[82:54] Susan Harris: The Arizona tax forms, Kim, are already printed.
[83:03] Susan Harris: Everyone just assumed that she would go ahead and do what is normally done in the normal course of business.
[83:11] Susan Harris: So right now we don't even have a valid Arizona tax return to fill out.
[83:19] Kim Monson: Well, in Colorado, legislation here in Colorado is saying that the Trump tax cuts at the federal level, they will not honor those regarding your state return here.
[83:32] Kim Monson: So they want to tax overtime, tips, all of that.
[83:41] Kim Monson: And I'll just throw this out, let you comment, and we'll go to break is...
[83:44] Kim Monson: Our kids are being taught that capitalists are greedy.
[83:48] Kim Monson: Well, capitalists don't make any money unless they're providing a good or service that people will trade value for.
[83:55] Kim Monson: Now, cronyists, cronyism, that's when big government and big business get in bed with each other.
[84:02] Kim Monson: But when I look at greedy, I just look at what's happening down at the Colorado State Legislature and these PBIs want more and more of our hard-earned money.
[84:12] Kim Monson: I think that's greedy, Susan Harris.
[84:18] Susan Harris: It's insatiable the amount of money they seem to need to run the state.
[84:26] Susan Harris: And that's true across the country, I feel like.
[84:30] Kim Monson: So we're going to continue the discussion with Susan Harris.
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[87:29] Kim Monson: And talking with Susan Harris, and I thank Susan and her family for their goal sponsorship of the show.
[87:37] Kim Monson: And this is from ArizonaFreeNews.com.
[87:40] Kim Monson: It says the former Maricopa County recorder is under investigation for obstruction.
[87:47] Kim Monson: And this was published on March 22nd, 2026.
[87:57] Susan Harris: I guess this gentleman, Steven, I don't know if you pronounce his name Richard or Riker, I'm not sure.
[88:05] Susan Harris: But while he was the 2023 president of the Arizona Association of County Recorders, he was also the county recorder for the County of Maricopa County.
[88:27] Susan Harris: In that capacity, he sent out communications advising county recorders statewide not to comply with record requests from Arizona lawmakers concerning the 2022 election.
[88:47] Susan Harris: Now, he did that in his capacity as the president of the Association of County Recorders.
[88:54] Susan Harris: But he was also a Maricopa County recorder at that time.
[89:04] Susan Harris: And it's just mind-boggling that he would advise county recorders not to comply with lawmakers' requests for information on any level.
[89:17] Susan Harris: But, you know, he kind of had a conflict of interest
[89:21] Susan Harris: working for the Association of County Recorders and being a county recorder himself at the same time for the largest county in Arizona.
[89:33] Susan Harris: So yeah, that's being taken a look at and they're trying to decide if that was obstruction of justice because you would think you at least wouldn't advise people not to comply with record requests from Arizona lawmakers.
[89:51] Susan Harris: You know, maybe there would be legal reasons to, you know, resist those types of requests.
[90:01] Susan Harris: But to just not comply just doesn't seem like it makes any sense.
[90:07] Kim Monson: Well, ultimately, he's thumbing his nose at Trump.
[90:11] Kim Monson: The people of Arizona, because the legislature is the elected representatives of the people of Arizona and the people of Arizona are right to demand to have information that they can verify that we have free, fair, honest and transparent elections.
[90:29] Kim Monson: And so for this gentleman to recommend to not comply as he was the head of like your County Clerks Association, which is like Matt Crane here in Colorado is as well.
[90:48] Kim Monson: I don't think we've gotten to the answer of why would they do that.
[90:52] Kim Monson: We can have some different things in our conversation.
[90:54] Kim Monson: We have ideas about why, but we need to get to the bottom of this, Susan Harris.
[91:01] Susan Harris: I mean, it's just a red flag on every level.
[91:05] Susan Harris: What is going on with the elections and why wouldn't you want to share all of your records and information to really anybody who requests them?
[91:21] Kim Monson: And there was something big that happened yesterday, and this is from the Colorado Free Press by Ash Epp, March 24th.
[91:29] Kim Monson: It says, not a decision I made lightly.
[91:31] Kim Monson: Colorado's largest county withdraws from the Colorado County Clerks Association.
[91:46] Kim Monson: is somewhat, it looks a little bit like the same of things could have been happening in Arizona as well.
[91:59] Susan Harris: um this this county clerk i guess his name was steve schleicher yes he was the clerk and recorder for el paso county um and he resigned his position as vice president of the colorado county clerks association similar to the association here in arizona and he said yeah that he was concerned about transparency and internal governance
[92:23] Susan Harris: And after he was reportedly barred from key executive meetings with the Secretary of State's office on the false premise of a lack of trust.
[92:41] Susan Harris: The other issue we have here, and I don't know if this has been resolved yet, but the Maricopa County recorder now, his name is Justin Eap,
[92:50] Susan Harris: And he and the board of supervisors are supposed to get together and come up with all of the procedural requirements for running an election here in the state.
[93:02] Susan Harris: And the board of supervisors and the county clerk, I mean the county recorder, cannot agree on what the procedures should be.
[93:11] Susan Harris: So he has actually now filed a lawsuit against the board of supervisors.
[93:23] Susan Harris: It just makes you really distrust the entire system.
[93:30] Kim Monson: And there's a lot of light that is being shed on all of this.
[93:42] Susan Harris: All of this is going on down at the county levels.
[93:45] Susan Harris: And I'm thinking that, you know, this is just Arizona and Colorado.
[93:52] Susan Harris: Are there counties that run good elections?
[93:55] Susan Harris: You know, has anybody done a study on that?
[94:01] Susan Harris: Whether or not there are counties that seem to be very transparent, that things run smoothly.
[94:06] Susan Harris: So far, I've lived in two states in the last 35 years of my life, and neither state seems to know what to do.
[94:17] Susan Harris: If this is going on across the country, it's even more alarming.
[94:25] Kim Monson: If, in fact, we have all these questions, all these different people are coming together, and if we have not had free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, then many of these decisions that have been taking more control and more money from everyday American people
[94:45] Kim Monson: very possibly many of those legislators maybe didn't win a valid election.
[94:52] Kim Monson: I know, I know we're not making any accusations.
[94:55] Kim Monson: We're still trying to get the facts, but you have to question all of this onerous legislation that is just really an assault upon the middle class.
[95:08] Kim Monson: If, if the elections were not free, fair, honest, and transparent, you know, it's an excellent question.
[95:16] Susan Harris: I hope that we can get to the bottom of it.
[95:23] Susan Harris: Let's see, Stephen Richer or Riker, you know, he was very glib in his kind of response to the fact that he was being investigated for obstruction of justice.
[95:48] Susan Harris: And it just reminded me of Hillary Clinton and the way that she just, you know, oh, so, you know, a few people were killed, but that happened.
[96:08] Susan Harris: mind-boggling to me that people don't want to get to the bottom of these things to prevent problems in the future.
[96:18] Kim Monson: And so this is critical, Susan Harris, that we continue to shed light on this.
[96:24] Kim Monson: What's your final thought you'd like to leave with our listeners today?
[96:33] Susan Harris: Really, I think ultimately bringing all these things to light is to our advantage.
[96:40] Susan Harris: It seems frustrating, but ultimately it's all for the good of the country that we push forward on these issues and try to bring as much of this stuff to light as we possibly can.
[96:53] Susan Harris: And we might not solve all the problems, but I'm very hopeful that we will solve the significant ones so that we can feel good about our elections that are coming up.
[97:07] Kim Monson: Susan Harris, as always, thank you so much.
[97:09] Kim Monson: We'll talk with you next month and have a great day.
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[100:14] Kim Monson: He is one of Tina Peters' attorneys.
[100:18] Kim Monson: And we wanted to get an update on Tina.
[100:20] Kim Monson: And there's been some new developments in Texas as well.
[100:29] Kim Monson: And Tina is still in a maximum security prison in Pueblo, yes?
[100:38] John Case: Well, her body is fragile, but her spirit gets stronger.
[100:44] John Case: The more they harass her, the stronger her spirit becomes.
[100:50] Kim Monson: I know she is in our prayers, like to praying for her release.
[100:55] Kim Monson: And her case has been heard by the appeals court.
[101:00] Kim Monson: It's crazy to me that she was not able to postpone to trial.
[101:05] Kim Monson: not go to prison while her case is being appealed.
[101:08] Kim Monson: So she's served over a year already, but the appeals court has heard it.
[101:16] Kim Monson: Have you had any response back yet regarding that?
[101:19] John Case: No, we've not heard from the court of appeals, and we've not heard from Governor Polis, who publicly stated that he thought commutation of her sentence would be appropriate because a former state senator who committed the exact same crime
[101:35] John Case: Tina did, was sentenced to probation, and Tina was sentenced to nine years in prison.
[101:44] John Case: So the governor thought that was unequal treatment, but so far haven't heard from the governor.
[101:53] John Case: Tina was assaulted on January 18th at La Vista by an inmate who had...
[102:05] John Case: was serving six years for stabbing her fiancé in the back with a knife.
[102:11] John Case: And that inmate was released immediately back into the general population after she assaulted Tina.
[102:20] John Case: And Tina was put in solitary confinement for 10 days.
[102:23] John Case: And then after the person who committed the assault was paroled, released from the penitentiary on parole,
[102:33] John Case: They charged Tina with assaulting the person who assaulted her.
[102:39] John Case: So there was an administrative hearing and Tina won.
[102:42] John Case: And the reason she won is she asserted the affirmative defense of self-defense, which under Colorado law, a person is allowed to do.
[102:53] John Case: If someone assaults you, you can defend yourself.
[102:56] John Case: And in a legal proceeding involving the assault, you can assert an affirmative defense of self-defense.
[103:04] John Case: So she won because she was able to present her affirmative defense.
[103:08] John Case: But as you know, in the trial in Mesa County, the judge would not allow her to present an affirmative defense, which was execution of a public duty.
[103:17] John Case: She was just doing her job to preserve records.
[103:21] John Case: So without being allowed to present a defense, the jury convicted her.
[103:26] John Case: If she'd been allowed to present that defense, probably would have had a different outcome.
[103:34] Kim Monson: My understanding is there's something very interesting that's happened in Texas regarding like voter rolls or something.
[103:45] John Case: Well, the Texas primary voting started on February the 17th, 2026.
[103:53] John Case: And on February the 18th, something very unusual and terrible.
[104:00] John Case: Telling happened in Bexar County.
[104:02] John Case: That's spelled B-E-X-A-R, but it's pronounced Bexar.
[104:08] John Case: So in Texas, the county clerk is required to publish every day the list of people who voted the previous day.
[104:16] John Case: And that way the candidates will know who voted.
[104:19] John Case: And if they want to chase ballots, they'll know who's remaining that hasn't voted.
[104:26] John Case: So the list was published by the county clerk.
[104:30] John Case: after the second day of voting, which was February 18th.
[104:35] John Case: And on it were 4,100 fake voter names, fake voter identification numbers, and fake voter addresses.
[104:49] John Case: And this could not be something that happened innocently by a computer malfunction or clerical error because
[104:59] John Case: It was controlled by an algorithm.
[105:02] John Case: The voter ID numbers came in a particular mathematical sequence.
[105:09] John Case: And so one of the candidates spotted it right away when he got the list, reported it to authorities, and it's now being investigated by the Department of Justice and hopefully by the Texas Attorney General and the local DA in Bexar County.
[105:25] John Case: So we'll have to see what happens.
[105:27] John Case: But for people who say you can't prove that these machines are being tampered with in elections.
[105:36] John Case: That that event in Bexar County, Texas, is absolute proof.
[105:42] John Case: There is no innocent alternative explanation for what happened.
[105:47] Kim Monson: OK, so this candidate for this primary election.
[105:50] Kim Monson: gets this report, downloads this report of everybody that voted.
[105:55] Kim Monson: Did that candidate do the same report on a different day?
[106:00] Kim Monson: Had those additional names, had they disappeared or do you know?
[106:04] John Case: The county violated its own rules by waiting five more days to publish the list.
[106:15] John Case: So instead of, they sent the list to the candidates
[106:18] John Case: But then when the candidate, Weston Martinez, reported what had happened, they pulled down the list that they had originally published.
[106:30] John Case: And five days later, they put up a scrubbed list.
[106:39] Kim Monson: What's going to happen with this, do you think, John?
[106:45] John Case: See, the problem is no one is ever going to be able to prove exactly what happened because there's no way to look inside a computer that's being tampered with from outside and figure out what's happening because they erase their own tracks as they go.
[107:06] John Case: So this is why we've got to get rid of computers and go back to hand-counting ballots and
[107:11] John Case: you know, counting the votes by hand in the precincts.
[107:14] John Case: That's the way we did it when I first voted in Colorado in 1972, and it worked.
[107:20] John Case: Everybody knew who won the election by 10 p.m.
[107:28] Kim Monson: The dot to connect is we don't know.
[107:32] Kim Monson: And if we don't know, that means that we're not able to verify that we are having free, fair, honest, and transparent elections.
[107:40] Kim Monson: And we must be able to verify that.
[107:42] Kim Monson: And the way to do that is an actual hand counting of the ballots.
[107:48] Kim Monson: And Colorado has so many different
[107:50] Kim Monson: where we have vulnerability, John Case, regarding our elections.
[107:59] John Case: The system is totally vulnerable.
[108:02] John Case: It was created by Smartmatic in Venezuela in 2004 to rig elections there.
[108:08] John Case: It was transferred to Sequoia.
[108:12] John Case: Then Dominion Voting Systems bought Sequoia, so they got the Smartmatic software, and now they've done another switch
[108:20] John Case: Liberty Vote took over for Dominion, but all they really did is change the names.
[108:25] John Case: Liberty Vote still employs some of the same engineers who worked for Smartmatic rigging elections in Venezuela.
[108:32] John Case: It's amazing that people do not speak out against this.
[108:36] John Case: And Tina got nine years for speaking out.
[108:39] John Case: The judge who sentenced her said that her criticism of our voting system made her a danger to the community.
[108:47] Kim Monson: Wow, and the fact that she is waiting for the verdict on her appeal and she's in a maximum security prison.
[108:56] Kim Monson: And John, she didn't even really have a traffic ticket before all of this, right?
[109:03] John Case: So Tina is a, you know, the inmates get a score based on their criminal history of how violent they are, how likely they are to be a repeat offender.
[109:16] John Case: And that number is a positive number, starting with one and going up.
[109:22] John Case: Tina's number, her threat number is minus three.
[109:26] John Case: So she does not belong in a prison with offenders who are violent, like the woman who assaulted her.
[109:35] John Case: They don't have minimum security prisons.
[109:37] John Case: They don't have minimum security prisons for women.
[109:40] John Case: They have four for men, but none for women.
[109:44] John Case: They housed Tina with violent inmates.
[109:48] John Case: And sooner or later, there's going to be a tragedy.
[109:54] John Case: Because when you're in prison and you're high profile, people want the status and publicity of harming you.
[110:06] John Case: This person tried and succeeded.
[110:09] John Case: But luckily, Tina wasn't badly injured.
[110:11] John Case: But someday she will be if she's left there.
[110:14] Kim Monson: And that's why, as you know, John, my listeners and people throughout America signed a petition to call on Governor Polis.
[110:24] Kim Monson: This was at Christmastime to release her.
[110:28] Kim Monson: He did not do that, but it is time that he really can consider getting that done.
[110:34] Kim Monson: It would be great to do that during the Easter season.
[110:37] Kim Monson: Your final thought on all of this, John Case?
[110:40] John Case: Well, it would take a lot of courage on Governor Polis' part to do the right thing and commute Tina's sentence.
[110:48] John Case: And we are grateful for his consideration of that possibility.
[110:56] Kim Monson: And thank you for the update on all of that.
[111:01] Kim Monson: He said that we meet no ordinary people in our lives.
[111:04] Kim Monson: And as we look at each day and realize all the people that we come in contact with,
[111:10] Kim Monson: So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
[111:25] Kim Monson: God bless you, and God bless America.
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