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[03:17] Kim Monson: And as you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[03:25] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[03:30] Kim Monson: and it's never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, their freedom, their livelihood or opportunity, childhoods or their lives via force.
[03:43] Kim Monson: And force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation,
[03:53] Kim Monson: the agenda of the World Economic Forum and globalist elites, that the tools they use are the United Nations, but pushing it to countries, pushing it to the Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor, and all the way down to county, local, school district, and special district levels.
[04:14] Kim Monson: And we are working to reclaim this Colorado that we love, to reclaim our American idea and
[04:22] Kim Monson: We are focused on engaging in this battle of ideas.
[04:25] Kim Monson: Remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it.
[04:29] Kim Monson: And on the show, we focus on the issues.
[04:32] Kim Monson: We'll mention the people around those issues, but we really work to stay out of all the personality, passion, emotion, all of that that can be used to truly make poor decisions.
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[04:53] Kim Monson: And our word of the day is inauspicious.
[04:57] Kim Monson: It's spelled I-N-A-U-S-P-I-C-I-O-U-S.
[04:57] Kim Monson: And I've been reading the farewell address by George Washington, and this was one of the words.
[05:07] Kim Monson: I've gotten a whole bunch of words of the day out of the farewell address.
[05:13] Kim Monson: We are doing our children a disservice in not being honest with them on just how well educated these guys are.
[05:23] Kim Monson: And they many times educated themselves.
[05:30] Kim Monson: But this word inauspicious means not favorable, ill-omened, unfortunate, unlucky, unfavorable.
[05:39] Kim Monson: When I voting ill, when I and our team at CUT are going through all of these different bills that are being proposed down at the statehouse right now, many of them by the radical activist Democrats.
[05:54] Kim Monson: Uh, they're inauspicious and we need to understand that this Democrat party, those that are controlling this Democrat party are not the Democrats of JFK or your grandpa, your grandma.
[06:07] Kim Monson: These are radical activists and many of them, um,
[06:11] Kim Monson: And many of them do not love America.
[06:17] Kim Monson: They don't want the best for America or Americans.
[06:20] Kim Monson: And it's crazy that we've got somehow they've gotten elected into office.
[06:24] Kim Monson: And then what's happened, though, in Colorado is this Democrat Party, it's a strategy.
[06:29] Kim Monson: Then they may have someone that might be getting close to term limited.
[06:33] Kim Monson: And that person will then resign from the state legislature, be hired by some, I have this in air quotes, nonprofit at probably a pretty nice salary.
[06:46] Kim Monson: And then someone new will be chosen by these Democrats.
[06:51] Kim Monson: So they're not elected and put into that office.
[06:54] Kim Monson: then they appear as an incumbent, and when it comes to election time, people say, oh, they're already in office, and they're not paying attention, and then they get elected.
[07:04] Kim Monson: So that has been a bit of the strategy on what's worked out.
[07:09] Kim Monson: at the State House here in Colorado.
[07:12] Kim Monson: Our quote of the day, I went over to Lou Holtz, and he just passed on.
[07:17] Kim Monson: He was a legendary football coach, a beloved member of the Notre Dame family.
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[07:24] Kim Monson: Notre Dame President, the Reverend Robert A.
[07:24] Kim Monson: Dowd said in a statement, and he said,
[07:31] Kim Monson: He passed away, his son said in a post on X that his father had passed away as he was resting peacefully at home.
[07:39] Kim Monson: And I always found Lou Holtz very funny.
[07:42] Kim Monson: I think you either really liked him or you didn't.
[07:49] Kim Monson: But he said this, he said, Remember, every day some ordinary person does something extraordinary.
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[08:47] Kim Monson: understand the proper role of government, and get government back into its proper role.
[08:52] Kim Monson: I would like to talk with Karen Gordey.
[08:59] Kim Monson: She has Radiant Painting and Lighting.
[09:02] Kim Monson: She's also very involved with this whole team of grassroots people that are working.
[09:08] Kim Monson: They've actually got a special election today.
[09:10] Kim Monson: out in Lakewood regarding this huge rezoning ordinance, and that election is right around the corner.
[09:23] Kim Monson: So let's jump in and give us an update on this special election and set it up.
[09:29] Kim Monson: If people don't know what's going on out there in Lakewood, explain to them how historical this is, what you and many of your grassroots citizens are doing out there.
[09:40] Karen Gordey: Yeah, so last August, the Lakewood City Council split their one zoning ordinance into four zoning ordinances.
[09:51] Karen Gordey: We thought we were going to have to run one referendum to try to force this to a special election, and we had to run four referendums all at the same time.
[10:01] Karen Gordey: And all four were successful and had enough signatures.
[10:07] Karen Gordey: And late January, city council said, we're going to send us to a special election.
[10:19] Karen Gordey: So just over a week away where ballots will start being in people's mailboxes.
[10:30] Karen Gordey: voting only there is no in-person voting and this is super important because these are radical zoning changes that will allow high density in every neighborhood of the city including if you have an HOA because zoning rules and zoning ordinances over
[10:49] Karen Gordey: overrule basically HOA covenants and you have to follow city laws.
[10:58] Karen Gordey: It's a very, as you can imagine, Kim, it's a very hot topic in Lakewood right now.
[11:03] Karen Gordey: And we're at the heat of the political season right now and it's starting to feel like it.
[11:12] Kim Monson: First of all, I think it's, the word I want to use, I think it's really stinky of the mayor and the council and the city manager that once they realized that the citizens wanted to run a referendum on this huge zoning issue,
[11:33] Kim Monson: change that ordinance was being passed, they then split it up into four different packages, basically, to make it more difficult.
[11:47] Kim Monson: You'd have to quadruple your efforts, your expenses, your time to get these petitions done.
[11:54] Kim Monson: And I look at that as really trying to tap down the people's voice.
[12:05] Karen Gordey: Um, but the people prevailed and that's, that's the message here is that you have a couple of citizens that stood up and said, we're concerned and we need to try to stop this.
[12:18] Karen Gordey: And, and right now that the efforts is, it's, you know, across all political parties, we need to save our city because this is the wrong solution.
[12:29] Karen Gordey: And it's under the guise of needing more middle housing.
[12:35] Karen Gordey: Middle housing being condos, townhomes, et cetera, duplexes.
[12:50] Karen Gordey: And so let's come up, you know, it's not that these citizens are NIMBYs.
[13:01] Karen Gordey: And then we don't know that we have the infrastructure in place to support, you know, high density in the entire city.
[13:08] Karen Gordey: The Green Mountain Water Board is suing the city of Lakewood.
[13:12] Karen Gordey: And the question I keep getting is why is Green Mountain the only water company suing the city?
[13:24] Karen Gordey: There's numerous water companies in Lakewood.
[13:27] Karen Gordey: A Green Mountain water board handles the water and sewer, and a lot of the other water companies only handle the water.
[13:36] Karen Gordey: And Green Mountain handling both, they are at near capacity.
[13:49] Karen Gordey: It's extremely expensive to add new sewer lines, et cetera.
[13:56] Kim Monson: Now, the other thing is, is on this, if you want to, the way it's worded, you need to vote yes on this if you don't want this big zoning change, right?
[14:09] Karen Gordey: So they did some funny business with the language.
[14:12] Karen Gordey: The city charter says you should vote on...
[14:16] Karen Gordey: the actual ordinance and instead of voting on the actual ordinance we they put the um referendum language which is to repeal the ordinance on the ballot so they did not follow the charter and so you have to vote yes to repeal um no if means that you get to keep the the radical zoning in place so we are vote yes to repeal the radical rezoning
[14:46] Kim Monson: And the other thing, this is nonpartisan.
[14:47] Kim Monson: You've got people across the spectrum that are working with you on this, correct?
[14:59] Karen Gordey: It's Republicans, Democrats, unaffiliated, everything, everything across the political spectrum on the yes side.
[15:12] Karen Gordey: It's how do we prevent this from happening in our city?
[15:17] Kim Monson: And then your day job, you are an entrepreneur and owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting.
[15:23] Kim Monson: And I know that you're spending a lot of time on this right now.
[15:28] Kim Monson: But spring, it feels like spring's here, although it's supposed to snow tomorrow.
[15:33] Kim Monson: But spring's right around the corner.
[15:35] Kim Monson: And I'd recommend that people reach out to you.
[15:37] Kim Monson: You are still doing a special, though, in March for Inside, right?
[15:43] Karen Gordey: Yes, 20% off of jobs over $2,500 through the end of March.
[15:55] Karen Gordey: Traditionally, March is our snowiest month.
[15:57] Karen Gordey: So maybe this weekend or the snow we're supposed to get tomorrow is a start.
[16:02] Karen Gordey: Although the political side of me hopes it stays warm because we're starting canvassing this weekend.
[16:10] Karen Gordey: But we are running a special on interior painting through the end of the month.
[16:26] Kim Monson: And this is so important to have voices heard out there.
[16:30] Kim Monson: Oh, is there a website for the referendum?
[16:44] Karen Gordey: You can get all the information about this radical rezoning there.
[16:50] Kim Monson: We'll talk with you next week then.
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[20:46] Kim Monson: And on the line with me is my fellow board member at Colorado Union of Taxpayers, and that is Dave Evans.
[21:01] Kim Monson: I do want to say thank you to our team members, Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Janssen, you, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard.
[21:21] Kim Monson: And we really are so pleased to have you, I want to say recently joined the board, but it's been a little while and you've been just a great addition.
[21:34] Dave Evans: Well, I've got a rather inauspicious bill to talk about this morning.
[21:42] Dave Evans: It is House Bill 1203, Modifications of County Commissioner Elections.
[21:50] Dave Evans: And CUT is unanimously opposed to this bill.
[21:56] Dave Evans: The bill mandates that counties with a population of 70,000 or more must elect five county commissioners, eliminating the previous option for such counties to have three commissioners or to choose between various election methods.
[22:11] Dave Evans: Instead, these counties must adopt one of two specific methods, either electing county commissioners who reside in five separate districts and are voted on only by the residents of those districts or electing commissioners at large using a ranked choice voting method.
[22:31] Dave Evans: where voters rank their preferences for candidates.
[22:35] Dave Evans: The County Board of Commissioners must pass a resolution by 2027 or upon reaching the population threshold, designating these two options, and then voters decide which method to implement at the next election.
[22:50] Dave Evans: Home Rule counties already elect more than half their commissioners by district or through ranked voting are exempt from these requirements.
[23:01] Dave Evans: So CUT's response is that this bill seeks to mandate that all these counties have a new method for electing.
[23:12] Dave Evans: The bill never identifies any problem to be solved or any issue being improved.
[23:19] Dave Evans: CUT is very concerned with the state legislature's insatiable appetite to control and or regulate every living thing in Colorado.
[23:28] Dave Evans: plus the inclusion of ranked voting system alternative sneaks in the possibility of transparent, non-audible, and undemocratic ranked choice voting, which is abbreviated RCV.
[23:43] Dave Evans: An application here, currently there are 10 Colorado counties with population greater than 70,000 people.
[23:53] Dave Evans: not including Denver and Broomfield, which are already consolidated cities and counties, so they don't fall under this.
[24:01] Dave Evans: Of the 10 remaining counties, Adams, Arapahoe, El Paso, and Weld County already have five commissioners.
[24:09] Dave Evans: However, Adams County uses at-large elections to elect their commissioners.
[24:14] Dave Evans: Weld County also has some at-large commissioner positions, but is a home rule county and meets the requirements for home rule exemption under the bill.
[24:26] Dave Evans: The bill impacts the remaining six counties that have only three commissioners, which are Boulder, Douglas, Jefferson, Mesa, Larimer, and Pueblo.
[24:37] Dave Evans: The commissioners would have to host an election to determine whether to reorganize around five commissioners
[24:47] Dave Evans: There are certainly costs with this.
[24:48] Dave Evans: The six counties will incur costs for the election and for the offices and added staff for the new commissioners.
[24:56] Dave Evans: If they choose RCV, they will incur costs for running and determining the RCV election results.
[25:04] Dave Evans: As I mentioned before, the proposal does not appear to be addressing any issues, at least none mentioned in the sponsor's summary, nor anything that I've heard.
[25:16] Dave Evans: Rather, I conclude that the bill's real purpose is to enact RCV, ranked choice voting.
[25:27] Dave Evans: They're difficult to follow, but they only appear to be edits.
[25:33] Dave Evans: Well, the reason that they're hard to follow is that you only see the edits.
[25:37] Dave Evans: You don't see the entire revised text.
[25:40] Dave Evans: But they appear to leave RCV provisions in place.
[25:44] Dave Evans: The bill does not define a way for the electorate to undo ranked choice voting after it's implemented if the electorate decides that it was no longer liked.
[25:57] Dave Evans: If there's time, I'd like to talk a little bit about ranked choice voting.
[26:04] Dave Evans: It's a complicated system that appears to be simple on the surface but can be gained to advantage for the less popular candidates.
[26:14] Dave Evans: From Ballotpedia, I found a good description.
[26:19] Dave Evans: It says, a ranked choice voting system is an electoral system in which voters rank candidates by preference on their ballots.
[26:28] Dave Evans: There are multiple forms of ranked choice voting, and the most popular one is described here.
[26:34] Dave Evans: In an instant runoff voting, if a candidate wins a majority of first preference votes, they are the winner.
[26:44] Dave Evans: If no candidate wins a majority of the first preference votes, the candidate with the fewest first preference votes is eliminated.
[26:52] Dave Evans: Ballots that ranked a failed candidate as their first or highest choice, depending on the round, are then reevaluated and counted as first preference ballots for the next highest ranked candidate in that round.
[27:07] Dave Evans: A new tally is conducted to determine whether any candidate has won a majority of ballots.
[27:13] Dave Evans: The process is repeated until a candidate wins an outright majority.
[27:18] Dave Evans: And notice that there's no re-voting here.
[27:25] Dave Evans: Elements of this process, the number of candidates eliminated in each round may vary by jurisdiction.
[27:33] Dave Evans: So there's some arguments for doing this.
[27:36] Dave Evans: Number one, it's often less expensive.
[27:39] Dave Evans: because you don't have to do runoff elections.
[27:42] Dave Evans: Number two, it may offer a greater pool of candidates in an election.
[27:47] Dave Evans: And number three, it could possibly increase turnout because of more interest, more candidates.
[27:55] Dave Evans: The arguments against, RCV can eliminate the candidate with the most first place votes.
[28:03] Dave Evans: Voters whose first choice is eliminated but don't have lesser choices will have no voice.
[28:10] Dave Evans: The system, therefore, can create a fake majority.
[28:14] Dave Evans: It complicates voting, delays voting, and is more vulnerable to corruption.
[28:21] Dave Evans: Just as a clarification, Hans von Spakowski and Jay Adams of Heritage put together a little parable.
[28:32] Dave Evans: At checkout, the cashier swaps out your bottle of Heinz 57 with the cheap generic you ranked dead last.
[28:43] Dave Evans: Well, the majority of shoppers also downvoted it, but there was no clear front runner in second place.
[28:51] Dave Evans: So the generic really snuck up from behind with enough down ballot picks to win.
[28:57] Dave Evans: In fact, in this rank choice supermarket, you might have even helped the generic brand to win.
[29:06] Dave Evans: And so, you know, I think you can understand my opinion on this.
[29:14] Dave Evans: I think it's a terrible way to go, although I think some jurisdictions in Colorado have adopted it.
[29:25] Kim Monson: And what has happened then is Fort Collins, from a political standpoint, is really leaning towards more and more control of their citizens.
[29:40] Kim Monson: And one of the things that they did was they selected, and I haven't had updates on this just for a few months, but they had selected one trash hauler.
[29:52] Kim Monson: And then if people did not use that trash hauler but used the competitor, they still had to pay for the trash hauler that they are not going to use.
[30:04] Kim Monson: And that's not the way government is supposed to work.
[30:08] Kim Monson: And that's not the proper role of government.
[30:10] Kim Monson: And the other thing is, is there's I don't see how you can really audit these elections whatsoever with this computer software.
[30:18] Kim Monson: And so I think ranked choice voting really takes away people's voices.
[30:23] Kim Monson: And the people of Colorado defeated it.
[30:25] Kim Monson: It was there a whole bunch of money.
[30:27] Kim Monson: Kent Theory put a bunch of money and others to for Proposition 131 in 2010.
[30:33] Kim Monson: 2024 it was a statewide question and it was defeated but now what we see is if it gets defeated over here you can see that they're coming back and trying to affect it into either local or county elections and and and i think each of these counties we we want to be able to to say keep this as close to the people as possible and instead of having
[30:57] Kim Monson: the state of Colorado mandate what happens in our county commissioner races in our elections.
[31:03] Kim Monson: We'd like to decide that ourselves.
[31:05] Kim Monson: So this is a very bad, this is an inauspicious piece of legislation, Dave Evans.
[31:15] Dave Evans: And, you know, I neglected to mention that in a previous recent election, I think one or two elections ago,
[31:23] Dave Evans: There was one jurisdiction in California that used it.
[31:27] Dave Evans: And weeks after the election was concluded and the election victors were seated in their offices, they discovered that the results were incorrect, that they put the wrong person in office.
[31:45] Kim Monson: yeah it's tricky college students had done it and figured out a way to go through and audit that so and again so this is house bill 26 1203 and the sponsors on this uh are let's see representative jennifer bacon democrat and representative bob marshall democrat
[32:05] Kim Monson: and so dave evans thank you for your analysis on house bill 26 1203 and cut the colorado union taxpayers is a a emphatic no on that so dave evans thank you so much we'll talk to you soon thank you kim and we'll talk with karen levine in the next hour but for everything residential real estate you'll want to have her on your side of the table
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[34:56] Kim Monson: And it is Paula Sarl's birthday this month.
[35:01] Kim Monson: She is the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation.
[35:07] Kim Monson: And the number seven is playing out in her life big time.
[35:14] Kim Monson: And she will be standing for seven hours out at the memorial on the 14th.
[35:20] Kim Monson: and reading the names of heroes and telling stories and would welcome everybody to come by.
[35:29] Kim Monson: But you can go to the website, usmcmemorialfoundation.org, and make a contribution with the number seven in it.
[35:37] Kim Monson: And it's so important that we support the memorial.
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[35:44] Kim Monson: On the line with me is an entrepreneur and owner of 88 Drive-In Theater, and that is Susan Kochevar.
[35:56] Kim Monson: And what does that mean for 88 Drive-In Theater?
[35:59] Susan Kochevar: That means we're going to be looking to open pretty soon.
[36:03] Susan Kochevar: I'm going to be watching the weather and making sure that it's a pretty settled pattern.
[36:16] Susan Kochevar: 20 from the shutdown, you know, and the COVID shutdown and from the writer's strike.
[36:21] Susan Kochevar: And there seems to be a lot more product stuck in the barrel there, which is good.
[36:29] Susan Kochevar: We have Amazon with their A24 pictures, which look good.
[36:33] Susan Kochevar: And then Angel Studios is really producing some stellar product.
[36:43] Kim Monson: Karen Gordey earlier in the show said that March is our snowiest month.
[36:50] Kim Monson: I'm excited for 88 Drive-In Theater to get open, but I would really like to have a snowy March, Susan Kochevar.
[37:00] Susan Kochevar: I'm not looking to open until about April because you're right.
[37:03] Susan Kochevar: If I opened in March, it would definitely snow a lot.
[37:07] Kim Monson: We need to do that because we need the moisture on that.
[37:12] Kim Monson: And I also, you're a great sponsor of the show, and I want to say thank you for that as well.
[37:18] Kim Monson: But Tina Peters, you and I have watched what has happened with her former Mesa County clerk and recorder that
[37:25] Kim Monson: was convicted of, and as I'm looking, I know exactly what she was convicted of, but many of the news articles don't have it correct, and I don't have it right here in front of me, but several counts on
[37:44] Kim Monson: trying to influence a public official.
[37:48] Kim Monson: I think that was one of the things that she was convicted of.
[37:51] Kim Monson: And she was then sentenced to nine years in prison.
[37:57] Kim Monson: We don't have minimum security prisons in Colorado for women.
[38:02] Kim Monson: And so she's in a maximum security facility with hardened criminals.
[38:06] Kim Monson: I don't think she had even had a traffic ticket before this.
[38:11] Kim Monson: And President Trump has pardoned her.
[38:16] Kim Monson: Jared Polis, the understanding is that she was convicted of it in a state court that this is the argument anyway, that the federal pardon doesn't count.
[38:28] Kim Monson: And as you know, right around Christmastime,
[38:32] Kim Monson: we put together a petition, and I took it down to Jared Polis' office, where 4,201 people from all over the country, every state and the District of Columbia, asked him to show some compassion and mercy and release her.
[38:54] Kim Monson: But he said on Tuesday he might consider that.
[38:56] Kim Monson: So what do you think about all this?
[38:58] Kim Monson: And give me more details if there's something that I missed.
[39:02] Susan Kochevar: Yes, well, to understand it, Tina Peters was convicted of something that a state legislator was recently convicted of, and that lady, the state legislator, just received probation.
[39:21] Susan Kochevar: So that is very unfair, and I think that is one of the things that has...
[39:26] Susan Kochevar: put a hotter spotlight on Tina's situation besides the fact that the whole trial was really a sham and Tina wasn't even allowed to present her side.
[39:38] Susan Kochevar: So I find it very interesting that we're starting to see some movement there.
[39:44] Susan Kochevar: We're also starting to see some interesting movement around the Secretary of State who has released
[39:57] Susan Kochevar: And, um, she was not prosecuted, which is a far worse crime.
[40:04] Susan Kochevar: There is no way for you to prove that, um, there was no fraud in the elections, unless you make a copy of the voter rolls before anything is done to the, uh, hard drives or information such as the trusted bill that, um,
[40:21] Susan Kochevar: I find it really interesting, was called to us to build that the Secretary of State was conducting.
[40:27] Susan Kochevar: So, in fact, it should be law that those voter rolls are copied before anything is done so that you can compare and make sure nothing nefarious happened.
[40:38] Susan Kochevar: And that should be welcomed on either side, Democrat or Republican.
[40:41] Susan Kochevar: So anyway, so I find it very interesting that we're starting to see some movement.
[40:46] Susan Kochevar: I see Trump is posting more about releasing Tina Peters.
[40:57] Kim Monson: To your point is this legislator, Sonia, now I can't remember her name exactly, but she, as you mentioned, she was, and I think the crime was trying to influence a public official.
[41:15] Kim Monson: I think that was something on that.
[41:17] Kim Monson: And she has basically received community service for the same crime that Tina Peters is in
[41:27] Kim Monson: Prisoned for for nine years and the other thing that is so crazy about the the thing with Tina is that she has appealed her conviction and Instead of letting her be out on Bond while she has appealing this conviction the judge put her in this maximum security prison and that's That is just crazy to me Susan Kochevar
[41:53] Susan Kochevar: Yes, the legislator was accused of mistreating her staff, and apparently when they went to investigate that, she forged some letters that apparently said she didn't do it or in support of her, and she was convicted of forging those letters to try to prove her innocence.
[42:21] Susan Kochevar: tina got a very harsh sentence and she's been in this maximum security prison where she's been mistreated and she's been attacked by a woman and uh interestingly the woman who attacked tina on a camera in the prison has been released and meanwhile tina is still sitting in the maximum security prison there's so many injustices here um it it's
[42:46] Susan Kochevar: really disheartening to see the amount of injustice in our legal system.
[42:53] Kim Monson: I realized that the person that had attacked her had been released, but my understanding is that person was in prison because she had stabbed her boyfriend in the back.
[43:04] Kim Monson: And so, again, it just does not make sense.
[43:11] Kim Monson: Well, Jaquez Lewis, a Longmont Democrat, and she was convicted of attempting to influence a public servant, and they call that a Class 4 felony.
[43:21] Kim Monson: It's punishable by up to six years in prison and a $500,000 fine.
[43:29] Kim Monson: There just seems something about this that just is not fair whatsoever.
[43:35] Kim Monson: You mentioned the Secretary of State, but what I have found so interesting, Susan Kochevar, is there are people on both sides of the aisle that have just been adamant to keep Tina in prison, which I find that so curious.
[43:52] Kim Monson: And one of the top people on that is Matt Crane, Republican...
[43:59] Kim Monson: At least last I knew it was a Republican, former, I think, Arapahoe County clerk and recorder and head of the County Clerk Association, State Association.
[44:10] Kim Monson: So it's so interesting that there's people on both sides of the aisle that are adamant that she remain in prison.
[44:19] Susan Kochevar: Yeah, including some of the political consultant class and some people in a well-known think tank in Colorado have come out and said that they thought Tina should be in prison.
[44:37] Susan Kochevar: You know, it's so sad there's no clarity in justice.
[44:44] Kim Monson: I don't know what to say about that.
[44:48] Kim Monson: And so it'll be very interesting to see what happens with Jared Polis.
[44:53] Kim Monson: I think he's getting pressure from all sides on this.
[44:56] Kim Monson: But we would really call on him, as we did in December, to show mercy and compassion and release Tina Peters.
[45:04] Kim Monson: And so I hope that he will do that.
[45:06] Kim Monson: We're going to continue the discussion with Susan Kochevar.
[45:13] Kim Monson: And it seems like the state legislature is trying to wring every dime out of everyday Coloradans as possible.
[45:23] Kim Monson: Instead of reducing government spending, they are trying to figure out how to just, I think, tax us to the max.
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[48:28] Kim Monson: We're talking with entrepreneur and owner of 88 Drive-In Theaters, Susan Kochevar.
[48:32] Kim Monson: and taxes are just out of control here in Colorado.
[48:38] Kim Monson: In fact, you have had an experience with property taxes that is unbelievable, but you are not alone.
[48:46] Kim Monson: I've talked with other people about that as well, and then it seems like this state legislature does not want to
[48:54] Kim Monson: Let people benefit from the tax cuts from the Trump administration.
[49:01] Kim Monson: And in fact, you're writing a piece that's probably going to be in the Wall Street Journal soon.
[49:05] Kim Monson: So walk us through this, Susan Kochevar.
[49:08] Susan Kochevar: Yeah, I've kind of walked, kind of talking, the article's talking about how Colorado is doing everything it can to thwart President Trump's big, beautiful bill.
[49:23] Susan Kochevar: You know, passing legislation that says that, you know, tips, overtime, and Social Security will continue to be taxed.
[49:33] Susan Kochevar: What happens is state law, Colorado state law follows federal law in terms of the tax policy, but that's not going to happen.
[49:45] Susan Kochevar: And there's a bill going through the legislature now to.
[49:50] Susan Kochevar: you know, make people add back whatever amount they would have saved from the federal government into their taxes so that Colorado can then tax them on that amount.
[50:14] Susan Kochevar: the lengths they will go to to thwart the president and hurt the citizens.
[50:27] Kim Monson: Well, there's a number of bills, but this one, I think it's House Bill 26-1289, modification of certain tax expenditures.
[50:43] Kim Monson: And the sponsors on it are all Democrats, Representative Lorena Garcia, Representative Kyle Brown, and Senator Mike Weissman.
[50:55] Kim Monson: Anything that long, and it's difficult for legislators to get through all this legislation, and that's why what we're doing at CUT is so important.
[51:08] Kim Monson: Oh, the other thing I was going to say is they opine that they're concerned about affordability.
[51:13] Kim Monson: They're concerned about everyday people.
[51:16] Kim Monson: What they say and what they do are two different things, Susan Kochevar.
[51:20] Susan Kochevar: They're doing everything they can to destroy Colorado.
[51:24] Susan Kochevar: So we got rid of the Gallagher Amendment and made taxes evenly, property taxes supposedly fair.
[51:33] Susan Kochevar: So what has happened is in the last four years, property taxes have skyrocketed.
[51:39] Susan Kochevar: My property taxes were $13,000 on about almost seven acres four years ago.
[51:50] Susan Kochevar: two years ago, and this year they jumped another $20,000.
[51:54] Susan Kochevar: So I am paying $60,000 just to keep my property and my business, and I am a small, seasonal business.
[52:07] Susan Kochevar: You also have Xcel Energy, who is being allowed to flip on and off the power.
[52:13] Susan Kochevar: Colorado is just becoming unaffordable and unlivable.
[52:19] Kim Monson: You know, that is the first time I've thought of the word unlivable.
[52:28] Kim Monson: The other thing, though, on the property taxes, where is all that money going, Susan Kochevar?
[52:40] Susan Kochevar: You know, I imagine it wouldn't be beyond our state to have some of the fraud issues that we have seen in Minnesota and California and some other states.
[52:52] Susan Kochevar: Blue run cities, blue run states are very poorly managed.
[53:03] Susan Kochevar: There will not be any more small businesses in Colorado.
[53:10] Susan Kochevar: Often I hear people say, you'll see on Facebook posts and things, oh, it's the greedy businesses.
[53:17] Susan Kochevar: But people never take into account the property taxes, the utility costs, which are higher on businesses than they are on residences.
[53:26] Susan Kochevar: They never take into account all these exorbitant expenses that businesses must meet just to keep their business going.
[53:34] Susan Kochevar: In addition, you have all the increases in minimum wage, which causes all the other wages to go up as well.
[53:42] Susan Kochevar: You can't pay someone the same wage as a new person.
[53:52] Susan Kochevar: of those wages and then of course all of the taxes the payroll taxes are a percentage of payroll so you know if we'll make it simple if you know the taxes are 10% and the wages go up a dollar that means you know you have 10 cents more of every dollar going to taxes you can see how quickly that adds up it's insane
[54:18] Kim Monson: Well, bigger companies actually, in a way, have more mobility.
[54:26] Kim Monson: This was from the Colorado Sun on February 17th.
[54:30] Kim Monson: Palantir, which is a big AI firm, it's the largest publicly traded company in Colorado.
[54:37] Kim Monson: They are moving to the headquarters to Miami.
[54:44] Kim Monson: The company had left Palo Alto in 2020 to move to Denver, and I'm wondering if they had possibly gotten incentives to come to Colorado, because that happens also is they will many times get incentives to move to a certain state, and then once those incentives run out, they will go to another state.
[55:05] Kim Monson: In this case, it may be that the business climate is becoming...
[55:11] Kim Monson: untenable here in colorado but so the big guys can have in a way more mobility than you with your property here uh and uh you know these exorbitant um property taxes and that's the other thing is some of these big companies get breaks on these property taxes so um your final thought on all this susan Kochevar
[55:33] Susan Kochevar: Yeah, all of that really unlevels the playing field for small businesses.
[55:37] Susan Kochevar: You know, those big companies have more political power is one issue.
[55:42] Susan Kochevar: And when you have, say, there was another theater that came into my town and they received economic incentives, they pay less in taxes.
[55:52] Susan Kochevar: I am the steady Eddie that's been there for 50 years, by the way.
[55:58] Susan Kochevar: shown to provide jobs and stability for 50 years, I am still paying the same level of taxes and my competitors getting a discount.
[56:08] Susan Kochevar: That is what is wrong with those economic incentives and the small, independent, unique businesses lose out.
[56:16] Kim Monson: That changes the fabric of our communities as well.
[56:19] Kim Monson: And all of these things are connected.
[56:23] Kim Monson: And so we've got to get government back into its proper role.
[56:26] Kim Monson: And the other thing about it, Susan, is that each business
[56:31] Kim Monson: An individual needs to be treated the same fairly.
[56:35] Kim Monson: That's the vision of our declaration, that we're all created equal.
[56:40] Kim Monson: But under this guise of economic development, then government picks winners and losers, and then we get to the spot where we're at right now.
[56:47] Kim Monson: So as always, Susan Kochevar, the conversation is important.
[56:52] Kim Monson: It goes way too quickly, but I greatly appreciate these conversations.
[56:56] Kim Monson: And let us know when that piece is published in the Wall Street Journal.
[57:00] Kim Monson: will do okay and our quote for the end of the show i went to lou holtz because he just passed on he was a famous notre dame coach football coach and always i've always found him very entertaining and he said this he said everybody is looking for instant success but it doesn't work that way you build a successful life one day at a time so my friends today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals
[57:30] Kim Monson: And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
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[59:30] Kim Monson: And I was listening to Helen Creeble in between the hours, and it was basically the conversation that we had with Susan Kochevar in hour number one regarding this economic development.
[59:44] Kim Monson: We all like the term economic development, but what it is is it's really...
[59:53] Kim Monson: And quite frankly, if enticing a business to come to a community, the way they do that is they have lower taxes, well, then maybe what should happen instead of giving one entity lower taxes at the expense of other entities is lower taxes across the board.
[60:16] Kim Monson: And that was always the argument that I made when...
[60:20] Kim Monson: when economic development packages were kicked around when i was on city council and i'm pretty sure on my four years on city council that we did not offer any special deals for one business over another
[60:38] Kim Monson: There were some that were already in place, but we did not create any new ones.
[60:44] Kim Monson: So at least that was a step in the right direction.
[60:49] Kim Monson: I met her a number of years ago, and she is just a gem with this lens of liberty.
[60:58] Kim Monson: And so it's always fun to hear her in between hour number one and hour number two.
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[63:24] Kim Monson: It is not favorable, ill-omened, unfortunate, unlucky, unfavorable, boating ill.
[63:33] Kim Monson: House Bill 1289, this big tax bill, 70 pages long, is definitely inauspicious.
[63:41] Kim Monson: So it should be easy for you to use that word in a sentence today.
[63:45] Kim Monson: Our quote of the day is from Lou Holtz.
[63:48] Kim Monson: notre dame coach a great record and he was also a sports commentator very entertaining but he said this he said remember every day some ordinary person does something extraordinary today it's your turn and i love that quote by lou holtz and on the line with us is karen levine for everything residential real estate here in the metro area karen welcome to the show
[64:24] Kim Monson: This legislature, there's a lot of inauspicious legislation down there.
[64:29] Kim Monson: There's this continual assault, it seems like, Karen, on single-family home ownership.
[64:37] Kim Monson: And a lot of this has been under the guise of needing more housing, more affordable housing.
[64:46] Kim Monson: What I'm realizing now is we have housing here in the metro area.
[64:54] Kim Monson: The vacancy rate for apartments is at a 16-year high.
[65:03] Kim Monson: OK, but what what we really need is houses that people can create wealth with, which they have done over so many years with single family home ownership.
[65:16] Kim Monson: And I really feel that's under attack, Karen.
[65:23] Karen Levine: through our journey year after year that the rhetoric is that we need housing nationwide.
[65:32] Karen Levine: And then when we look locally statewide, um, and then in the front range, uh, we have not brought product to the market for that first time home buyer, that entry level.
[65:45] Karen Levine: And when, from a federal perspective, we held interest rates down to, um,
[65:53] Karen Levine: really below market rates, we created a frenzy in the buying market and caused great appreciation for people, which built them great wealth.
[66:03] Karen Levine: But it also created a situation where the entry-level home is hovering around that $500,000 price range, which makes it difficult for people to get into housing.
[66:19] Karen Levine: you roll the clock back 15 almost 20 years with construction defect legislation which kept the multi-family ownership unit condominium ownership unit at bay not bringing really what that entry-level house had been uh back in you know the 80s and 90s so yes it continues to get acerbated and then they want to add requirements to housing
[66:46] Karen Levine: As far as what builders are required to do to put in houses and that just jacks the prices up.
[66:55] Karen Levine: So the fact that there is a higher vacancy rate that's actually healthy.
[67:02] Karen Levine: From the standpoint there creates a little more competition in the rental market and You know, they continue to tell us that we don't have enough of that housing as well.
[67:18] Karen Levine: So maybe they should put their resources towards using that land for ownership units.
[67:28] Kim Monson: And when we talked with Karen Gordey in the first hour, I don't think that people have thought about just all the resources that an apartment building, all the water and the power that that requires and the people in those buildings, services for fire and police and school districts.
[67:49] Kim Monson: And so this you mentioned the word rhetoric.
[67:54] Kim Monson: We had all listened to this rhetoric.
[67:59] Kim Monson: But then what we've seen is government subsidized housing.
[68:03] Kim Monson: And the only way that we're talking about economic development over here, the only way that you can give something to somebody subsidized housing is you take it from somebody else.
[68:14] Kim Monson: And that's not the way it's supposed to be in America.
[68:19] Karen Levine: Well, and I'm going to push back a little bit on that because it's that comments very absolute.
[68:26] Karen Levine: And the reality is, as Americans, we have always given a hand up to those who are less fortunate to give them opportunity.
[68:39] Karen Levine: The problem is we have created an environment that people have become dependent on the government at the cost of you and I, the middle class citizen.
[68:56] Karen Levine: And when, yes, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, that is not appropriate.
[69:01] Karen Levine: And when you have vacant luxury apartments,
[69:04] Karen Levine: vacant luxury apartments, and the government comes in and subsidizes those to put people in those homes that, yes, don't have housing, but that would not be the appropriate type of housing at the cost of that luxury tenant, that luxury tenant should have been afforded less rent.
[69:25] Karen Levine: to then create more demand to fill those spots so we've gone to the extreme when you know there was good intent what decades ago and we did help our you know our neighbor um now i think the neighbor expects everyone to help them and that's not how the american dream was built
[69:49] Kim Monson: I know we'll have more discussions on this.
[69:51] Kim Monson: You and Lauren are going to be in the studio soon.
[69:55] Kim Monson: And you and I agree that we want to help people less fortunate than ourselves.
[70:04] Kim Monson: But what we're seeing now is government.
[70:06] Kim Monson: is really these policies are taking away from the middle class and the middle class is really struggling.
[70:14] Kim Monson: So forced charity by government, we'll probably keep that as a cliffhanger for when you guys are in studio, is forced charity is not really charity.
[70:24] Kim Monson: But Karen Levine, you are helping, you've helped people for so many years buy and sell their homes.
[70:29] Kim Monson: How can people reach you if they're interested in changing their address?
[70:34] Karen Levine: I would love to start that conversation, and they can give me a call at 303-877-7516.
[70:46] Kim Monson: You and I have been friends for so many years that you push back on things that I say, and I appreciate that.
[70:54] Kim Monson: And I appreciate these conversations because we've got to have these conversations, and that's what we're all about here at The Kim Monson Show.
[71:04] Karen Levine: And starting the conversation and then sorting it out to figure out what's the best solutions, not the absolutes, but how do we manage what we have and utilize all those resources, people, product, et cetera, for the benefit of the people in Colorado.
[71:23] Kim Monson: Karen Levine for Everything Residential Real Estate, 303-877-7516.
[71:29] Kim Monson: Karen, we'll talk with you next week.
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[74:55] Kim Monson: I have on the line with me a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, Scott Powell, and he writes really important pieces.
[75:12] Kim Monson: Well, it's good to have you as well.
[75:14] Kim Monson: And you recently published a piece at American Thinker, The Epstein Saga, How God Can Use It for Good.
[75:22] Kim Monson: And Scott, I haven't really talked a whole lot about the Epstein files.
[75:32] Kim Monson: unbelievable, nasty stuff in these Epstein files.
[75:44] Scott Powell: It doesn't get much worse than what the Epstein saga, all the people associated with it.
[75:54] Scott Powell: Of course, it's going to vary from the newcomers to the people that have been really initiated.
[76:04] Scott Powell: And, um, you know, um, but I did say in the, actually it's in the title of the article, I said how, you know, the Epstein saga, how God can use it for good.
[76:16] Scott Powell: And we know in scripture that God uses all things for good, uh, even bad things can be used for his purposes and for good.
[76:30] Scott Powell: I'd get back to basics and think about what that really, you know, what, how God could use this for good.
[76:36] Scott Powell: And it all boiled really down to repentance as a nation.
[76:43] Scott Powell: And repentance is that condition that we have.
[76:46] Scott Powell: that allows us to have a relationship with God.
[76:49] Scott Powell: For God to begin a new thing in our lives, we need to repent for, you know, for the wrongs that we did, the sin and so forth.
[76:58] Scott Powell: In fact, all spiritual revivals generally have come out of repentance.
[77:03] Scott Powell: So that's really my hope, is that the Epstein saga can really invoke in people, you know...
[77:14] Scott Powell: a repentance that, you know, that can cover the nation, if you will, because, you know, the bad actors are not going to repent because they have no beliefs.
[77:24] Scott Powell: But we, as believing people, Christians, Jews, and others, we understand the role that repentance has in our relationship with God and, you know,
[77:40] Scott Powell: The reality of our country is that we really do need spiritual revival in order for our Constitution to function properly.
[77:48] Kim Monson: Over all these years, I'm thinking about Harvey Weinstein, who was...
[78:03] Kim Monson: Supposedly, he was a respected filmmaker.
[78:08] Kim Monson: But many of the movies that he did and many of the things that had come out of Hollywood was holding up depravity as art.
[78:19] Kim Monson: And if you question it, people would say, oh, you're square, or you're just an intolerant Christian.
[78:27] Kim Monson: And we would, I think, get to a point where we started to self-censor.
[78:34] Kim Monson: This has been going on for a long time, and even questioning things sometimes in our society.
[78:42] Kim Monson: at what occurred with like Weinstein and Hollywood is they were really celebrating depravity instead of celebrating higher things.
[78:55] Kim Monson: I think that people, everyday people,
[78:58] Kim Monson: are looking at this thing, wait a minute.
[79:01] Kim Monson: This is unbelievable where we have gotten to in our society.
[79:06] Kim Monson: And we do really need to repent as a society for what we're doing to children across the spectrum.
[79:15] Kim Monson: People again have told me that there's just terrible things that are in these Epstein files regarding children, which I can't even get my brain around.
[79:23] Kim Monson: And I really don't want to get my brain around it.
[79:30] Scott Powell: I don't want to get my brain around this either.
[79:33] Scott Powell: And I have not looked at the Epstein files and really won't look at them.
[79:38] Scott Powell: Because it's really the images, perhaps more than anything else, that's so shocking, if you will.
[79:47] Scott Powell: But I guess we could also think about our place as a country a bit like...
[79:55] Scott Powell: You know, a bit like what can happen in the individual life, and that is that when people bottom out, if you will, and it may be a case of a drug addiction or alcoholism, oftentimes when people bottom out and they can't,
[80:14] Scott Powell: They're just at the end of their – sort of the end.
[80:20] Scott Powell: They can't correct their behavior that's destroying them because that's really kind of where we are.
[80:34] Scott Powell: is a turning to God, you know, which starts from repentance.
[80:44] Scott Powell: A repentance begins the course back to what is good.
[80:54] Scott Powell: And, you know, when we think of our history, America was really born out of spiritual revival.
[81:04] Scott Powell: When we decided that it was time for independence from Great Britain, the colonies, of course, were 13 different colonies, really didn't have much connection with each other.
[81:14] Scott Powell: And so how were they going to take on the greatest military power in the world, which was Great Britain, when they really had no navy, they had no standing army, but all they had were patriots that lived in different parts of the country and really didn't have any connection with each other.
[81:33] Scott Powell: You know, God knew that, and he brought a spiritual revival to America.
[81:41] Scott Powell: He called the Great Awakening, and the Great Awakening was very powerful, and it brought the colonies together.
[81:47] Scott Powell: It invoked a sense that we're all here together, and that we're called to be free, and we have to fight for our freedom, and therefore we have to band together.
[82:01] Scott Powell: these 13 separate disparate colonies into a people that had identity and freedom and that they were willing to fight for it.
[82:15] Scott Powell: So our nation was really born in spiritual revival.
[82:20] Scott Powell: And then there was a second great awakening before the Civil War, which was probably –
[82:24] Scott Powell: Until now, it was the most divisive issue and period in our history.
[82:36] Scott Powell: So I think we're at a place now in America where many people are very frustrated.
[82:41] Scott Powell: The political system just seems to be broken and can't correct itself.
[82:46] Scott Powell: Our culture seems to be captured by depravity, as you pointed out, Kim, whether it's Hollywood or it's the
[82:54] Scott Powell: You know, or it's, you know, the culture, the music culture and so forth.
[83:04] Scott Powell: And the Epstein depravity, if you will, is sort of the bottoming out, I'd say.
[83:13] Scott Powell: So there's only one direction we can go in, and that's, you know, through repentance back to God.
[83:22] Scott Powell: And hopefully that can bring about a spiritual revival in our country that really is powerful and can be this corrective to our downward slide.
[83:37] Kim Monson: Connecting all of that, these moments in history, I do think that we're at our third founding in our country.
[83:44] Kim Monson: And so we're going to continue the discussion with Scott Powell.
[83:48] Kim Monson: He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.
[83:52] Kim Monson: And this particular piece that we're talking about right now is published at American Thinker.
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[87:10] Kim Monson: He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute regarding his piece, The Epstein Saga, How God Can Use It for Good.
[87:18] Kim Monson: And I do really think that we are in the third founding of our country at this 250th birthday.
[87:25] Kim Monson: uh on whether or not this american idea will continue this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from god of life liberty and pursuit of happiness or if we're going to continue down this road of totalitarianism and towards socialism and communism where it's basically the elites and then all of the other little um peons i guess it would be instead of this big
[87:53] Kim Monson: this big middle class of everyday people being able to go after their hopes and dreams.
[87:59] Kim Monson: But with that, Scott, there is a responsibility.
[88:02] Kim Monson: And I had said one time, I'm wondering if we are living on the fumes of freedom, this freedom that was established 250 years ago.
[88:10] Kim Monson: is what has played out to where everyday people in America have been thriving and prospering.
[88:17] Kim Monson: But we're seeing government getting out of its lane, losing its way, getting so big it seems like we're up against the British Empire again.
[88:30] Kim Monson: If we can get government back into its proper role and that every day people can thrive and flourish.
[88:36] Kim Monson: And we see more and more reports of young people coming back to their Christian faith.
[88:45] Kim Monson: So there's some very encouraging things.
[88:48] Kim Monson: Your title, The Epstein Saga, How God Can Use It for Good, when I've just heard these stories about what's happened in Epstein, these Epstein files, is there has been tremendous human suffering.
[89:05] Kim Monson: And so that question is, is why the suffering over here, and then God will use it for good?
[89:11] Kim Monson: I think that's a question people ask on a regular basis.
[89:15] Scott Powell: Well, remember that God's time is not our time.
[89:18] Scott Powell: So the pain and suffering that have been inflicted on the victims, if you will, of Epstein, all we can do is pray for them, pray for healing from the trauma that they've been through.
[89:36] Scott Powell: But I made this point sort of in a bigger way in that, as I said, God's time is not our time.
[89:44] Scott Powell: This horror that is Jeffrey Epstein's saga can be used for good in the sense of, you know, Romans 8.28 that assures us that, quote, all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose.
[90:09] Scott Powell: That bad could be used for good does not apply to – it's not isolated.
[90:19] Scott Powell: They're not going to be participating in this movement towards the good.
[90:30] Scott Powell: If we as a people, as a nation, are willing to, you know, cry out to God and repent for the sins that have happened in our country in this particular regard, I believe that God can use that for good.
[90:52] Scott Powell: We don't always know how spiritual revival takes place.
[90:58] Scott Powell: We know historically the role that revivals have taken place.
[91:03] Scott Powell: You believe, and you said, Kim, you think that we're now at a time of rebirth, which is to say a reawakening, which is to say a revival.
[91:26] Scott Powell: Well, that's why I think, you know, the other thing I said about the Epstein saga was that, you know, people were demanding that this file that was being withheld by the government didn't want to, you know,
[91:46] Scott Powell: It was being held up from disclosure to the public.
[91:52] Scott Powell: And I think it was, you know, it was Trump who promised.
[91:57] Scott Powell: One of his smaller promises, I think, was just full disclosure of everything, whether it was the assassination of JFK or we have all these files that needed to come to light, including the Epstein files.
[92:12] Scott Powell: Well, they didn't they didn't come to light during that.
[92:15] Scott Powell: his first year in office, which he was elected in 24 and started his first term in January of 2025.
[92:24] Scott Powell: 2025 went by and no Epstein disclosures, really.
[92:32] Scott Powell: Well, it could be that they were meant to come out this year, which is, of course, the year of our celebrating the 250th
[92:43] Scott Powell: anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, you know, a rebirth.
[92:49] Scott Powell: So I made the point that sometimes, you know, we're demanding things now, but God's time is different.
[92:57] Scott Powell: So it could well be that these files coming out this year as they have
[93:03] Scott Powell: will play a role in this, in a spiritual revival that happens to coincide with the 250th anniversary of our birth as a nation.
[93:17] Scott Powell: So we're living in just amazing times, really.
[93:21] Scott Powell: And sometimes it's, it can be very discouraging before, it's like a storm, you know, it gets, you know, the storm gets worse and worse.
[93:32] Scott Powell: But, you know, the clearing of the skies and, you know, the sun or the moon, it breaks through the clouds and the storm clears up.
[93:43] Scott Powell: And I hope that we're at that place now where we're going to have a revival in our country.
[93:51] Scott Powell: Because our country is so, you know, really our country was, we're not a Christian nation.
[93:56] Scott Powell: And the founders would not, who were all, 95% of the founders, you know, were Christians.
[94:06] Scott Powell: They believed in the absolute truths of Scripture.
[94:11] Scott Powell: And so they understood that God intended people to live freely, to live in freedom was God's ideal.
[94:21] Scott Powell: So they set about creating a government unlike any government in human history that would accomplish that.
[94:31] Scott Powell: We get the outline of it and the inspiration of it from the Declaration of Independence, but the real hard work was codifying it in a government.
[94:40] Scott Powell: And that was where, you know, the Constitutional Convention put together this amazing Constitution.
[94:47] Scott Powell: And an important part of getting the Constitution passed was the addition of the Bill of Rights.
[94:56] Scott Powell: You know, the Constitutional Convention did not come up with a Bill of Rights.
[95:01] Scott Powell: And the Bill of Rights, of course, articulate the most important rights that we have and that the government's primary purpose is to protect those rights, to protect our unalienable rights given to us by God.
[95:17] Scott Powell: And they're not given to us by the state, but they are unalienable, given by God.
[95:21] Scott Powell: And the primary role of government is to protect those rights.
[95:30] Scott Powell: The government is abusing our rights at every turn almost.
[95:35] Scott Powell: You know that with Tina Peters there in Colorado.
[95:38] Scott Powell: Now, here's Tina Peters in charge of elections in Mesa County.
[95:42] Scott Powell: That was her job to make sure that the elections were conducted with integrity, fairness, and so forth.
[95:50] Scott Powell: And she tried to carry – she carried out her job by –
[95:54] Scott Powell: You know, monitoring the Dominion voting system machines, tracking the data before and after.
[96:01] Scott Powell: And when she found irregularities and she examined this, I don't you know the details better than I.
[96:07] Scott Powell: She she met with opposition and she was arrested.
[96:11] Scott Powell: She was arrested for doing her job and she's in jail today.
[96:16] Scott Powell: this is, you know, this is a, it's almost unbelievable that this could happen because she's carrying out her duty to the American citizens and she gets arrested for it.
[96:28] Scott Powell: And meanwhile, of course, when Trump heard about this, you know, he pardoned her.
[96:33] Scott Powell: Well, pardons come from the federal government.
[96:36] Scott Powell: And my understanding of federal law is that they, they Trump state law.
[96:40] Scott Powell: So what, what is Tina Peters still doing in jail?
[96:47] Scott Powell: It's crazy, but it illustrates how our system has been corrupted and become disfigured where there's not even an understanding of the relationship between federal and state law.
[97:06] Kim Monson: We did talk about that in the first hour because it appears that Governor Polis is entertaining clemency for Tina Peters, and he just said something on Tuesday.
[97:19] Kim Monson: Yeah, let's continue to pray on that.
[97:20] Kim Monson: And, of course, we had done the petition right around Christmastime, and I took it down to Governor Polis' office where we had over 4,200 people from all over the country saying,
[97:32] Kim Monson: sign a petition calling on Jared Polis to exhibit mercy and compassion and release her.
[97:42] Kim Monson: And let's continue to pray that that will happen.
[97:45] Kim Monson: I think we're getting very close to that.
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[101:27] Kim Monson: Scott Powell, he's a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.
[101:34] Kim Monson: People, I've talked to people and they've said, we're in World War III.
[101:40] Kim Monson: And then the people on, I've heard people on the left say,
[101:44] Kim Monson: are um just going after trump pete hegsteth uh american people we don't like war that's for sure but you said in this piece in town hall it's titled ultimate success in iran is not as elusive as critics charge but the critics are really really on fire right now scott powell well we're a very divided nation and um you know i think the critics see this as a
[102:14] Scott Powell: as an opportunity to really not just weaken the Trump presidency, but maybe to try to even destroy it and bring about the, well, of course, the midterm election might go against his party, the Republican Party, in which case,
[102:39] Scott Powell: the Trump agenda, if you will, could be really stalled in its tracks.
[102:49] Scott Powell: But getting back to the issue of this conflict, everyone knows that Iran has been a thorn not only in our side, but really
[103:04] Scott Powell: probably the central part of the division, the conflict, and the ongoing wars, battles in that part of the world.
[103:20] Scott Powell: Islam is divided into two main camps, the Shiite camp, the Shia camp, and the Sunni camp.
[103:33] Scott Powell: And it is an extreme intolerant type of Islam.
[103:44] Scott Powell: It's very different than the Sunni variety, which is a little bit less so.
[103:48] Scott Powell: But in any case, the history, our history with this, with Iran goes back many years, 47 years, but really it was
[104:00] Scott Powell: It was in 1983, the embassy bombing in Beirut killed 63.
[104:05] Scott Powell: Six months later, the U.S. Marines' Beirut barracks, that bombing killed 241 Marine service members.
[104:15] Scott Powell: And then all the conflicts that we've had, you know, deaths from Iranians were higher than those over the years, but it was really the
[104:25] Scott Powell: you know, the Iraqi engagement and the Afghani engagement that illustrated the far-reaching destructive power that Iran had through their improvised explosive devices that took many more American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan than in prior conflicts.
[104:47] Scott Powell: It was about 4,200 deaths, and that was about 46% of all U.S. war deaths
[104:54] Scott Powell: Between 2006 and 2019, these two central conflicts happened in those years.
[105:08] Scott Powell: You know, many American families have loved ones lost and people disfigured.
[105:18] Scott Powell: facial disfiguring and loss of limbs from the Iranian IEDs.
[105:25] Scott Powell: But, you know, there sometimes comes an opportunity to bring about a change.
[105:30] Scott Powell: And I think that we shouldn't look at, you know, at the engagement in Iran as we would, as we did in the
[105:40] Scott Powell: with the engagements in Afghanistan and Iraq.
[105:46] Scott Powell: We've learned from those prior engagements.
[105:48] Scott Powell: I mean, Trump ran on a policy of no more war, you know, no more regime change overseas.
[105:55] Scott Powell: And here we are doing that very thing in Iran.
[105:58] Scott Powell: So I can understand people's feeling that, you know, that Trump has walked away from, you know, his promises.
[106:11] Scott Powell: the so-called America first agenda where we put America first and we wouldn't be engaged overseas.
[106:18] Scott Powell: But I think this, this, the opportunity arose to, to, you know, to get this, uh, this cancer removed from the middle East and, uh, and together with, with the Israeli IDF forces, you know, this campaign has just been unbelievably, um,
[106:40] Scott Powell: powerful and effective in a very short period of time.
[106:43] Scott Powell: I think the big challenge is going to be disengagement and not just rebuilding Iran, but creating a political system that enables the Iranians to chart their own course and live in a relatively free society.
[107:03] Scott Powell: Because we're obviously displacing the old, destroying the old regime
[107:08] Scott Powell: of the mullahs, and we're going to hopefully leave it in the hands of the Iranian patriots, which are the majority of the population, by the way.
[107:26] Scott Powell: And Iran has the fastest growing Christian population in the world.
[107:40] Scott Powell: And I think I think Trump knew all these things.
[107:43] Scott Powell: I mean, he he has more intelligence than anyone else.
[107:47] Scott Powell: So I think he saw the opportunity to really bring fundamental change and liberation, not only to Iran, but, you know, less conflict and tension there.
[108:03] Scott Powell: in the Middle East, which has just been an ongoing tumultuous part of the world.
[108:12] Scott Powell: It's not that this is going to solve all the problems, but it's removing the chief cancer.
[108:19] Scott Powell: And I think we're almost, you know, the engagement is now in its fifth day, I think, fifth or sixth day.
[108:28] Scott Powell: And I think that we're ahead of schedule in getting the job done.
[108:37] Kim Monson: I'd seen a headline that there are sleeper cells of Iranian terrorists in America, and I'm pretty sure that's probably true.
[108:51] Scott Powell: Better we root them out now than let them remain sleeper cells for some future time.
[109:05] Scott Powell: You know, terrorist attacks are terrible, but if we can, we obviously have a heightened awareness now.
[109:14] Scott Powell: I mean, this whole thing has not only transformed Iran and the Middle East, but it serves as a catalyst for a heightened awareness for all Americans to be vigilant because we are the eyes and the ears of,
[109:31] Scott Powell: um, you know, for law enforcement, you know, law enforcement only works when people are engaged.
[109:37] Scott Powell: So, uh, we all have to be aware when we see things that are irregular, uh, we need to be involved in, in reporting them immediately to authorities.
[109:48] Scott Powell: Um, but the fact is that these people, that these cells are already here, Kim, and, um,
[109:56] Scott Powell: You know, the critics would say, well, now we're going to catalyze.
[110:02] Scott Powell: I mean, there's never a good time for this.
[110:06] Kim Monson: Well, we need to continue to pray for wisdom and discernment and forgiveness for our country as well.
[110:16] Kim Monson: Scott Powell, what's your final thought you'd like to leave with our listeners?
[110:22] Scott Powell: Well, I think the most important thing, and it was articulated very clearly in...
[110:29] Scott Powell: at the founding of the country by many, but the first president, George Washington, and the second president, John Adams, both said very clearly that our constitutional system was suited only for a moral and religious people.
[110:49] Scott Powell: In other words, if we lose our moral foundation,
[110:55] Scott Powell: our, our, our, our so-called religious and moral foundation at that time, you know, we were, you know, the, the religion of America was clearly Christianity.
[111:04] Scott Powell: I mean, the Jewish, the Jewish population was, you know, was between one and 2% of the total population of the colonies when the constitution was, uh, was established.
[111:15] Scott Powell: So we were, we're, we're a Christian nation.
[111:19] Scott Powell: not in our governmental form, but in our culture, in our people.
[111:23] Scott Powell: And that is the key thing that needs to be revived because when people have a fear of God and recognize that God is watching their activity, there's a tendency, you know, to do what is right.
[111:40] Scott Powell: There's a tendency to, you know, to, you know...
[111:46] Scott Powell: you know, to obey the law because, you know, we're called to do that.
[111:51] Scott Powell: We feel compelled by our relationship with the Lord, you know, to do right and do good.
[111:59] Scott Powell: And you could, you know, that manifests itself in many ways.
[112:02] Scott Powell: Certainly the golden rule is one of the things that we always need to remember, that we want to do to others as we would like them to do unto us.
[112:13] Kim Monson: Well, Scott Powell, as always, great wisdom.
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