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[02:07] Kim Monson: Last week, or I guess a week or so ago, we had someone on and Luke made the comment, producer Luke made the comment that Republicans are terrible at messaging.
[02:19] Kim Monson: And Yvonne Paez, who is one of the founders of Perspectives 101, called in on that.
[02:25] Kim Monson: And we're like, oh, my gosh, we need to do a show on this.
[02:32] Kim Monson: So first thing, though, Yvonne, welcome.
[02:37] Kim Monson: And Producer Luke, everybody knows you're there, but welcome as well.
[02:41] Kim Monson: And Yvonne, let's go to our quote for the day to begin with.
[02:46] Kim Monson: And you had a really great one by Teddy Roosevelt.
[02:52] Yvonne Paez: You know, right now for the season, it's really important for us to be able to communicate with other people.
[02:58] Yvonne Paez: And I think a nugget on that from Teddy Roosevelt is: people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
[03:09] Yvonne Paez: And that basically means that you can't just show up and start preaching to people about what you think or whatever.
[03:16] Yvonne Paez: First, you have to get to know somebody, establish a relationship, find a common ground, and they have to know that you care about the things that matter to them.
[03:27] Kim Monson: There are some people, and I think it's a pretty small group of people, but there are some people that have no interest in engaging in this.
[03:36] Kim Monson: And we need to kind of just put that over there.
[03:40] Kim Monson: And we're looking at the big, broad, the big, broad middle, the Democrats, like the JFK Democrats, the blue dog Democrats that cared about America and individuals thriving and prospering.
[03:53] Kim Monson: And, of course, independents and libertarians and conservatives and Republicans.
[03:56] Kim Monson: There's a big group to message to, correct, Yvonne?
[04:04] Yvonne Paez: what is the author of this book, United States of Fear?
[04:11] Yvonne Paez: And he, he's a psychologist, and he makes a point.
[04:14] Yvonne Paez: And it's very true that there are some people that we cannot reach.
[04:16] Yvonne Paez: I mean, roughly, you could look at it as a, as a 3040 in the middle, and then 30 of informed, engaged people, 40, that'll go either way.
[04:25] Yvonne Paez: And 30, that have a really hardcore set belief, and they don't care what anybody else thinks they just that, you know, they're just locked out.
[04:33] Yvonne Paez: So when you you know, when you come to one of those people, and at that point, you know, there's there's not a whole lot more, more to say or where to proceed, it's better to just like sidestep and move somewhere else in the conversation.
[04:43] Yvonne Paez: But you'll find out who those are, because they have no natural curiosity.
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[05:21] Kim Monson: It is perfect for all those who are intellectually curious, Yvonne.
[05:27] Yvonne Paez: And that's going to be the essential element.
[05:29] Yvonne Paez: There has to be a natural curiosity, a wanting to learn something or, you know, look at a viewpoint from an angle other than yours.
[05:38] Yvonne Paez: Not because you're going to take it, but because at least you're interested in hearing what somebody else thinks or why they think that way.
[05:46] Yvonne Paez: When you lose that natural curiosity, then that becomes a showstopper, a problem.
[05:53] Kim Monson: But so we're going to talk about the big, broad group of people that can be persuaded and how to do that.
[06:01] Kim Monson: There seems to be opportunity with these terrible policies that are being pushed forth by the radical activists that have taken over the Democrat Party.
[06:12] Kim Monson: Luke, you said something on the air that was just so important regarding Republicans and messaging.
[06:21] Producer Luke: And to clarify something just real quick before we get too deep into it, when I say messaging, what I mean by that isn't what you are saying to other people.
[06:32] Producer Luke: It is what the party as a whole is saying to people.
[06:37] Producer Luke: And one of the things I've noticed primarily between Republicans, they do two things for the most part.
[06:44] Producer Luke: They preach to the choir or they talk about how crazy the liberals and Democrats and progressives are.
[06:49] Producer Luke: But we don't offer a whole lot of our own solutions, and the solutions we do offer are surface level at best, I've found.
[06:57] Producer Luke: And it's very difficult to persuade people when the two positions are, look how great we are, and this is paraphrasing, of course, and the other position is, look how crazy they are.
[07:16] Kim Monson: And the other thing that you said that I thought was so important was regarding now you're 24 years old and we look at inflation.
[07:23] Kim Monson: We look at public policy that has made housing so expensive and young people thinking I'd like to buy a house, but it doesn't seem attainable.
[07:32] Kim Monson: And I thought it was key what you said regarding the messaging of Democrats to the messaging of Republicans regarding those kinds of issues, Luke.
[07:45] Producer Luke: If I recall correctly, it's been a little while since then, even though we're pre-recording this.
[07:49] Producer Luke: It was my position, my friends, my generation, and not to speak for all of us, but a decent amount of my friends are politically involved and we engage in conversation and dialogue.
[07:59] Producer Luke: A couple of the big points are I'd like to be able to own a home.
[08:04] Producer Luke: I'd like to be able to move out of my parents' house and not have to pay a landlord's mortgage.
[08:11] Producer Luke: And in fact, I mean, the bar is so low for some people, they just want to be able to simply exist.
[08:17] Producer Luke: They have abandoned all hope of, you know, living in a house.
[08:24] Producer Luke: Their message is, well, we'll give you a free house.
[08:30] Producer Luke: These evil landlords who are oppressing you, you know, will lower all that.
[08:35] Producer Luke: And to people who are really down in the dirt and to people who have no hope, that's a great message.
[08:38] Producer Luke: Because you see the people above you as oppressors and you see a goal that's unattainable be told as, no, you can do it and we'll make sure you can do it.
[08:49] Producer Luke: Versus the Republicans' lack of messaging, which is they don't offer a whole lot of solutions to the degree that the Democrats do.
[08:59] Producer Luke: In the sense that the Republicans' primary message is we don't want government subsidized housing.
[09:10] Producer Luke: And that's sort of the extent of their message.
[09:16] Producer Luke: And there's no solution offered outside of that, which is I mean, that's poor messaging.
[09:27] Yvonne Paez: And when he mentioned that, I agreed with him.
[09:31] Yvonne Paez: That's what you know, that I really you can't.
[09:32] Yvonne Paez: if people need something and somebody's offering something that people need, then that's going to work for them.
[09:38] Yvonne Paez: And the other side, whoever it may be, cannot just say, and we're the ones who are not going to offer that kind of thing.
[09:44] Yvonne Paez: So when it's that simple and that cut and dry, you're not going anywhere.
[09:48] Yvonne Paez: And you're definitely going to turn off the people that you want to get to have on your side.
[09:53] Yvonne Paez: I think what we need to do is show that we understand, just in the pickle that they are, where they can't afford, housing, you know, younger people and, you know, all those people who didn't get started earlier because of the way prices have gone on everything.
[10:10] Yvonne Paez: It's very hard for them to get started now.
[10:15] Yvonne Paez: But what we can point out is that we want to offer them the freedom to then later be able to achieve more.
[10:23] Yvonne Paez: And I'll explain that because this, free this and free that, that, you know, the government has gotten so used to doing in order to get people's favor, that will help you survive.
[10:40] Yvonne Paez: You will never thrive because it's all about throwing crumbs at you and keeping you right in check.
[10:45] Yvonne Paez: And I mentioned the other day that if I had a dime for all the people that I know that are only looking for a part-time job or are only, you know, they decline a promotion or things like that because they would be making over a certain amount.
[11:01] Yvonne Paez: And if they make a certain amount, then they're no longer eligible for all of their alphabet soup freebies.
[11:07] Yvonne Paez: And then, so to me, that is modern day slavery.
[11:11] Yvonne Paez: That is living pretty much on the government plantation.
[11:14] Yvonne Paez: Because you stay here and you stay content with that or you get nothing.
[11:19] Yvonne Paez: And if you move out of that, you're on your own.
[11:21] Yvonne Paez: And so it conditions people to a comfort zone where they are never going to thrive.
[11:29] Yvonne Paez: They're never going to achieve the American dream.
[11:34] Producer Luke: And I'm not going to name any names, but a very good example of this is a longtime friend I've had since high school.
[11:42] Producer Luke: Born very, very poor, actually homeless for many years of his life, you know, living in the park with his mom for quite some time.
[11:52] Producer Luke: And he was able to sort of escape that, move to Texas, because Texas is the place with the cheapest, most affordable housing, basically, in the United States, save for some middle America nowhere.
[12:05] Producer Luke: And he's in a position right now where, because he was so poor for so long, he has a lot of medical issues.
[12:13] Producer Luke: And a lot of these medical issues limit his ability to work above a certain capacity.
[12:23] Producer Luke: And the job provides the benefits that he needs to survive.
[12:30] Producer Luke: For him, survival is the goal because he can't reasonably hope to achieve thriving because he can't work at a capacity that would enable him to thrive.
[12:41] Producer Luke: He's sort of forced into this area of just enough, Because that is all the opportunity afforded to him in that area.
[12:51] Producer Luke: And it's one of those things: when you live like that for so long, You do get comfortable with just surviving.
[12:56] Producer Luke: You do get comfortable exactly where you're at.
[12:59] Producer Luke: Because you know in the example of my friend, If he wants to move up and thrive, He's going to have to do more work, Which is going to be very difficult on his body, Which is going to require more medical care And sort of in a branch from that.
[13:14] Producer Luke: If he starts making more money, He's going to get taxed more, Which is sort of like Why work so much, extra harder For so little benefit?
[13:23] Producer Luke: It's a real difficult spot for a lot of people to be in.
[13:26] Producer Luke: So when he hears: Hey, We'll force affordable housing, We will offer these things to you, We will give these things to you, I mean he's exactly the target demographic Of the Democrats messaging.
[13:39] Producer Luke: Because to him, the ability to receive free things or to be able to- you know in his mind- thrive because of these free things, that's better than well just work harder.
[13:53] Producer Luke: It makes it real rough, especially if there's a lot of people like him that exist.
[13:59] Kim Monson: Oh, boy, that's a really excellent point.
[14:02] Kim Monson: I'm going to go to you to find out what you would say to this young man.
[14:07] Kim Monson: I'm talking with producer Luke and Yvonne Paez.
[14:10] Kim Monson: She is one of the co-founders of Perspectives 101.
[14:15] Kim Monson: And how can people get information about Perspectives 101, Yvonne?
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[16:24] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it.
[16:27] Kim Monson: And Producer Luke and Yvonne Paez, co-founder of Perspectives 101, and I are having a conversation regarding the big messaging, the messaging of these political parties.
[16:40] Kim Monson: Luke just put beautifully explained one of his friends that has had been homeless, medical issues.
[16:49] Kim Monson: If he works harder and gets into a different tax bracket, that may take away some of the freebies.
[16:56] Kim Monson: He also has challenges from a medical standpoint.
[16:59] Kim Monson: What would you say to him, Yvonne Piaz?
[17:04] Yvonne Paez: Well, he mentioned, producer Luke mentioned, that was a great point.
[17:09] Yvonne Paez: And he mentioned that they get stuck in that little comfort zone and then they see the easy way if they can get the freebie.
[17:18] Yvonne Paez: The problem is is creating that comfort zone where one is not self-reliant.
[17:26] Yvonne Paez: Because once you're in that comfort zone, it's going to be really, really hard to get out of it.
[17:33] Yvonne Paez: So when I was young, I had a relative who was born very ill.
[17:39] Yvonne Paez: would have this illness for the rest of their life.
[17:40] Yvonne Paez: And, you know, as a child, I, you know, we would just talk with people and they'd say, oh, yeah, this person, this relative of mine, you know, she has this or that.
[17:53] Yvonne Paez: And then when it got back to my relative, she's like, how dare you say to anybody what it is that I have?
[17:58] Yvonne Paez: I don't want anybody to look at me as if I can do less than they can do.
[18:03] Yvonne Paez: I mean, literally forbade me from ever telling anybody what illness she had, because it wasn't as evident, like it wasn't a limp or something like that.
[18:11] Yvonne Paez: It was something internal that, you know, gravely would disable this person, but it wasn't readily detectable.
[18:19] Yvonne Paez: So she spent the rest of her life, somebody who could have, you know, by all standards here, you know, gotten disability on this or whatever, having two and three and up to four jobs and eventually, you know, buying her own house, which later through divorce, She wasn't able to keep or whatever, but that's a separate story.
[18:39] Yvonne Paez: But always working, never wanting people to know her illness because she wanted to be like anybody else and do anything anybody else can do.
[18:47] Yvonne Paez: And I also know people who are, you know, who had either born that way or had accidents or something and are in wheelchairs.
[18:53] Yvonne Paez: And they're trying to live the most absolute normal lives they can by competing with everybody else.
[19:02] Yvonne Paez: So I don't know what the particular, you know, medical issue is.
[19:06] Yvonne Paez: And I know there's some that are much more challenging than others.
[19:09] Yvonne Paez: But I think we can be a little too quick to say, oh, I have this or I have this.
[19:15] Yvonne Paez: So now I need to be taken care of or I can't do.
[19:19] Yvonne Paez: I guess in my– I'm going to be a little hardcore here.
[19:24] Yvonne Paez: And in my military mind, you know, the only thing we can't do is keep from dying and paying taxes.
[19:31] Yvonne Paez: You know, there's no such thing as the word can't show.
[19:34] Yvonne Paez: You know, we kind of have a fighter's mentality and it's a little bit different.
[19:37] Yvonne Paez: But if you can suck people in and make them soft and this little comfort thing and I'll give you this, that is a danger zone.
[19:52] Producer Luke: And to sort of clarify my personal position, I'm definitely of the opinion that hard work, you know, allows you to reap better rewards.
[20:02] Producer Luke: This is sort of, I guess for the sake of this, I'm half playing devil's advocate and sort of some of the perspectives a lot of my more liberal and progressive friends present.
[20:13] Producer Luke: Right, but I'm also, in my own way, not totally on board with the Republican Party for some of my own reasons.
[20:22] Producer Luke: Yeah, I'm sort of doing a little bit of both of that right now.
[20:30] Producer Luke: I will present to both of you some key issues that I know my generation is really worried about, the sort of big top- of-the-listthings.
[20:40] Producer Luke: And I'd like for you, Kim, or Yvonne, whoever's willing, to tell me what the Republicans' messaging is on this thing.
[20:49] Producer Luke: Not what you personally believe, but what the party as a whole is presenting it believes.
[20:54] Producer Luke: So when I say I'm worried that I'll never be able to afford a home, what is Republicans' messaging to answer that question?
[21:10] Yvonne Paez: Because I have another position that I want to take as well with that.
[21:15] Kim Monson: So you're asking me what the Republican message is.
[21:28] Producer Luke: You know, what is because the Republican Party is a group.
[21:32] Producer Luke: And if you can't get the whole group together to say one thing, obviously that creates issues.
[21:36] Producer Luke: But what is their response to me saying, I'm afraid I'll never be able to own a home?
[21:42] Kim Monson: Boy, the closest thing I can say is, oh, we'll reduce rules and regulations.
[21:47] Producer Luke: And my response to that is, when is the last time a Republican has entered office and successfully reduced rules and regulations to any degree that's worthwhile?
[21:57] Producer Luke: And of course, then that's going to be a trigger word, right?
[22:02] Producer Luke: The medical bills in the United States are far too high.
[22:06] Producer Luke: I don't want people to call an ambulance for me.
[22:09] Producer Luke: If I get injured, it is permanently life- alteringfor me financially.
[22:23] Yvonne Paez: And I think the medical system in the United States, I really can't speak too much for some other countries, but we all know that the things that cost what they cost don't need to cost what they cost.
[22:41] Yvonne Paez: There's insurance middlemen because everybody's making money along the way.
[22:47] Yvonne Paez: I mean, gone are the days where you had a doctor and you went to the doctor and he treated you and you paid him.
[22:52] Yvonne Paez: Now there's all these other people involved and everybody's got to get a cut.
[22:58] Yvonne Paez: So in order to fix our medical system, we would have to throw a serious dose of reality to it.
[23:06] Yvonne Paez: And some of the things that they do, that over- inflateprices and things would have to be completely torn down.
[23:13] Yvonne Paez: Now, who can do that and how they can do that, I don't know.
[23:17] Yvonne Paez: But that is what would need to be done because you can create these, you know, you just make these monster industries like the homeless industry and so many others that that nobody ever wants.
[23:26] Yvonne Paez: I mean, the government has no intention of ever solving because it is a moneymaker for them.
[23:33] Yvonne Paez: So the game is what kind of industries can we create and perpetuate?
[23:41] Yvonne Paez: Here's the one point seven trillion that they just decided to go with.
[23:44] Yvonne Paez: And just a few minutes ago, a few half an hour ago.
[23:48] Yvonne Paez: And what happened is you create these industries and all these politicians along the way and all their partners, what is it, the public, private partners, everybody's getting their pocketbooks padded all the way through.
[24:08] Yvonne Paez: So this little game of let's all make money creating industries and the only people who are on the short end of the stick- for this is the American people- has got to stop.
[24:20] Yvonne Paez: Who's going to do that and how they're going to do that?
[24:25] Producer Luke: But let's sort of take this back to the point of messaging.
[24:29] Producer Luke: when the answer to the question, and while I do agree with the point, the response was, if I can paraphrase sort of harshly, I don't know how to fix it, but we know there's a problem.
[24:43] Producer Luke: Meanwhile, the Democrats and the liberals and the progressives thing is, we'll give you free health care.
[24:49] Producer Luke: Now, what is, I mean, on the topic of messaging, what's a more powerful message when you're trying to encourage young voters?
[24:55] Producer Luke: when my question is, if I have a medical emergency, I'm ruined.
[25:01] Producer Luke: One side, the Republicans traditionally are, well, there's a whole lot of issues and maybe we can solve this, but maybe we can.
[25:10] Producer Luke: We'll do whatever what other countries are doing, and we'll give it to you for free.
[25:14] Producer Luke: I mean, in terms of messaging, the Republicans just aren't there.
[25:20] Yvonne Paez: And their answer is always we'll give it to you for free and nothing is free.
[25:24] Yvonne Paez: And it means we will tax the heck out of everybody who's working in the United States in order to to take the money from them and give it to you.
[25:34] Yvonne Paez: So those are you know, it is it's not a good answer.
[25:37] Yvonne Paez: And I'm going to jump in real quick with this thing.
[25:39] Yvonne Paez: Since you were asking Republicans versus Democrats, I want to throw in another quick idea before we jump into something.
[25:48] Yvonne Paez: And I want to mention that, like at Perspectives 101, it is a nonpartisan platform where we bring information and ask questions and have discussions.
[25:57] Yvonne Paez: And we get away from this Republicans versus Democrats.
[26:03] Yvonne Paez: Tribalizing and putting one group against the other, this is going to be solved by the American people.
[26:09] Yvonne Paez: This will never be solved by either one or other party, because the game is for them to always be in a juxtaposition.
[26:17] Yvonne Paez: So, while there are two parties and we do have to talk about what the one messaging in and what the other messaging in, but I can tell you that the problem is going to be solved by the American people coming together in the center and pushing away from the lunatics who want to do everything for free and the other ones who don't have necessarily an answer.
[26:39] Yvonne Paez: I think that's where we're going to end up going.
[26:42] Kim Monson: Boy, this is absolutely fascinating, and I've got my thinking cap on here, and I don't feel like I've really jumped in with any kind of a real answer on this because this really is the crux of what the problem is with messaging.
[26:57] Kim Monson: So let's go to break and then come back and talk some more about this, because messaging is so important.
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[27:40] Kim Monson: I cannot believe, first of all, that we are at the end of the year looking at 2023.
[27:44] Kim Monson: What's your thoughts about that, Karen Levine?
[27:46] Karen Levine: Well, 2022 in the real estate market, we're describing it a bit as a roller coaster.
[27:51] Karen Levine: We came out in January and we watched soaring prices, multiple offers, tons of appreciation, a lot of competition in the marketplace.
[28:01] Karen Levine: Interest rates were in the low threes, some hit in the high twos, hard to believe.
[28:08] Karen Levine: And then we sort of coasted into May and June, still seeing a little bit of multiple offers.
[28:16] Karen Levine: But we saw the market pull back and we saw interest rates rise.
[28:28] Karen Levine: And we saw buyers that were under contract on new construction that couldn't move forward because of the change of interest rates.
[28:41] Karen Levine: But then we saw builders having to be more willing to negotiate on pricing and incentives.
[28:49] Karen Levine: And so that gave opportunity to other buyers in the marketplace.
[28:57] Karen Levine: We are selling nationwide a few less homes than we sold in 2021.
[29:03] Kim Monson: Some of these fearful headlines they try to put out there.
[29:08] Karen Levine: And the people, the economists I'm hearing from, is 2023 is going to be a much more steady year in that nationwide we may see prices adjust down, maybe some depreciation of no more than 1%, and about 50% ofthe market is going to see appreciation of about 1%.
[29:28] Karen Levine: But a much more stable market, a much more leveled- out market,but yet we will still be challenged with not having enough inventory for the demand.
[29:39] Karen Levine: The other piece that's super interesting...
[29:41] Kim Monson: And the reason that we have that challenge is public policy.
[29:45] Karen Levine: Regulation, government regulation and policy that continues to they claim they want affordability in the market, and yet they impose so many costs that affordability becomes not attainable because of government policy.
[30:01] Karen Levine: The thing that is exciting is our millennial generation understands the value of home ownership, and two- thirds ofthat millennial population wants to become a homeowner in the next two to three years, and so we are going to be looking at you know how can we help them get into housing?
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[32:33] Kim Monson: We're an independent voice as we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[32:40] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[32:44] Kim Monson: On the line with us is Yvonne Paez.
[32:50] Kim Monson: And again, how can people get more information about Perspectives 101?
[32:54] Kim Monson: It's really searching for truth and kicking the tire on these ideas.
[33:02] Yvonne Paez: And trying to communicate with each other and learn from each other on the different perspectives that people have regarding certain issues.
[33:11] Yvonne Paez: And they can always reach us at perspectives101.
[33:20] Yvonne Paez: And it is a civic group up in northern Colorado, and it is nonpartisan.
[33:26] Yvonne Paez: So everybody's welcome to listen to information and to share ideas.
[33:30] Kim Monson: And, boy, excellent work that you're doing with that.
[33:33] Kim Monson: I know I've got my thinking cap on.
[33:38] Kim Monson: This is so fascinating because this is what the problem is.
[33:43] Kim Monson: So, Luke, I'm going to throw it over to you.
[33:45] Kim Monson: You said during the break that you had a couple of another anecdotal stories, And then hopefully I'm going to come up with some kind of a response.
[33:52] Producer Luke: Yeah, just a few, you know, talking about perspectives.
[33:54] Producer Luke: And before I jump into it real quick, thank you very much for allowing me this opportunity and to clarify some of my own position.
[34:01] Producer Luke: Again, I don't necessarily agree with everything I'm saying, but.
[34:10] Kim Monson: So this is why this is important to hear what you have to say.
[34:14] Producer Luke: Yeah, especially because when it comes to, you know, again, talking more about messaging, Republicans messaging versus Democrats messaging and all that fun stuff, because that is ultimately what it comes down to.
[34:24] Producer Luke: When you live in a world that exists in a two party system, you have to play the parties.
[34:28] Producer Luke: And the Democrats messaging is so consistently.
[34:36] Producer Luke: But it was, you know, they said global warming and people went, oh, what happens when it's cold?
[34:46] Producer Luke: You can't get mad at a group called Antifa or Antifa, fascist.
[34:52] Producer Luke: How can you get mad at a group called Black Lives Matter?
[34:56] Producer Luke: I mean, they're really, really good at naming things.
[35:02] Producer Luke: Sort of aside the point, that's one little bit.
[35:05] Producer Luke: Another thing, sort of offering some more perspective.
[35:07] Producer Luke: When it comes to the core of messaging for both parties, a lot of the Democrats, as we've said, are very pro-free stuff.
[35:19] Producer Luke: And you and I and Yvonne, we all know, free stuff isn't– there's no such thing as a free lunch, right?
[35:26] Producer Luke: So I'm not under any illusions that we're truly getting it for free.
[35:30] Producer Luke: But when the core of the message is free versus work for it, obviously the free stuff is always going to get the more votes.
[35:41] Producer Luke: Again, when it comes to Democrats versus Republicans, I feel for the most part Republicans will or Republicans conservative, anyone sort of right of center, will very consistently vote for the policies they believe are best.
[36:00] Producer Luke: They'll vote for the people they believe are best.
[36:13] Producer Luke: It's whoever has the D next to their name and has been endorsed by other people with the letter D next to their name.
[36:18] Producer Luke: And the last little piece I want to throw, and feel free to sort of attach on to any of those.
[36:25] Producer Luke: the Republicans messaging for a lot of moving forward in life is, you know, deregulate, but then do stuff yourself.
[36:34] Producer Luke: And in a world that we live in, at least people in my generation, we feel a lot of that messaging comes from a place of, well, you were born in a time where it was beneficial and advantageous to do those things.
[36:51] Producer Luke: One of the things me and my friends say is one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made in my life is not being old enough in 2008 to buy up real estate.
[36:58] Producer Luke: Because ultimately, the ability to say, we'll just go out and grind real hard and work real hard and do what I did.
[37:08] Producer Luke: It's like, all right, well, what you did is you were born into- Youhad a different environment.
[37:12] Producer Luke: Yeah, you were born in an environment where it was advantageous to do those things.
[37:16] Producer Luke: I can't sit around and wait for a market crash to buy up all the real estate in order to create investment properties, because the market will never crash in the same way it did in 2008, because we've added some more regulations and you are not going to deregulate that market.
[37:31] Producer Luke: You're never going to get anyone to get in there and vote, uh, to make 2008 happen again.
[37:35] Producer Luke: Uh, so the perspective of we'll just go out and do the things I did or do these things, it's like okay, well, we've.
[37:41] Producer Luke: We've tried a little bit of that, but also that environment doesn't exist anymore.
[37:46] Producer Luke: So I feel like there's some more pieces of messaging.
[37:49] Kim Monson: Boy, I think he's really nailing it, Yvonne, on what he's hearing from his friends.
[37:55] Kim Monson: And there's a lot of truth in that.
[37:57] Kim Monson: And the reason the environment is different now is because of public policy that has been pushed forward by radical activists that have taken over the Democrat Party.
[38:07] Kim Monson: And they don't really care about everyday people.
[38:11] Kim Monson: Socialism ultimately comes down to four.
[38:17] Kim Monson: So socialism or free stuff is just the carrot to get people to vote for it.
[38:23] Kim Monson: But ultimately, socialism comes down to just existing or living.
[38:27] Kim Monson: And I think we have to ask ourselves, what do we want to do?
[38:33] Kim Monson: And I got to think most people, if they really look at it like that, are going to say, I want to live.
[38:40] Kim Monson: And so then we as Republicans have to say it's been because of public policy that has been pushed forward and take responsibility by both Republicans and Democrats that we've gotten ourselves into this.
[38:52] Kim Monson: It's going to take some time to work this back out, but we want to work to create an environment where you have the opportunities that my generation used to have.
[39:04] Kim Monson: So that is why we're working so hard at what we're doing.
[39:08] Kim Monson: We want to provide those opportunities which only comes from living and freedom versus being reliant on someone else.
[39:15] Kim Monson: And as you have eloquently said, don't feed the ducks.
[39:19] Kim Monson: If you want to be a duck, then of course you're going to get fed.
[39:22] Kim Monson: But if you want to be free, then we need to move away from feeding the ducks.
[39:28] Yvonne Paez: You know, I think when he talks about the messaging, this is very, it continues to be very interesting.
[39:36] Yvonne Paez: You don't want to be the person that's late to the table on the messaging, because the best messages is kind of like a slogan, like if you were working marketing, has already been captured, and now you have to find second best.
[39:51] Yvonne Paez: So let me let me explain that is um the democrats.
[39:56] Yvonne Paez: I mean it's quite seasonal right now the the democrats play santa claus.
[40:02] Yvonne Paez: So you can't, you know, compete with santa claus.
[40:08] Yvonne Paez: There was that you know that kind of joke where where the in a kindergarten class or a first grade class there they're electing who's going to be the little class representative and one little girl says: oh well, we'll do this and we'll do that and whatever.
[40:19] Yvonne Paez: And the other one comes with ice cream and she She says: when I'm president of the class, everybody will have free ice cream every day.
[40:26] Yvonne Paez: And she brings ice cream this day and she gives it to everybody.
[40:29] Yvonne Paez: They all vote for her because she's Santa Claus.
[40:30] Yvonne Paez: So everybody's going to vote for Santa Claus and everybody's going to vote for the free money.
[40:35] Yvonne Paez: So if you're not the free money and the Santa Claus, then you're at a little bit of a disadvantage.
[40:40] Yvonne Paez: So if you're not saying things like water is wet and Black Lives Matter and, you know, ultimate obvious things like that, And then doing what you want, which has nothing to do with the title of what you selected, then, you know, you're going to be second best.
[40:58] Yvonne Paez: But I think some groups are not just going to want to have a title and then just be deceptive about it, whereas others have no problem doing that.
[41:06] Yvonne Paez: So you don't want to be late to the table on the messaging, because what's left is going to be a little tougher.
[41:12] Yvonne Paez: What's left is going to be the answer to everything is not going to be everything free, but we have to fix it.
[41:21] Yvonne Paez: We have to do it this way or this other way, and we will make good things happen.
[41:26] Yvonne Paez: We have to point out the positive of what things we can affect and we can make happen, because the answer is not everything is free, because it's fictitious.
[41:39] Yvonne Paez: It's kind of like, and you don't want to get behind on the messaging, it's kind of like playing tic- tac- toe.
[41:44] Yvonne Paez: Whoevergoes first and puts it in the center is going to win.
[41:47] Yvonne Paez: So at some point we have to get rational about it and say, wait, then I get to go first next time, you know, kind of thing in the game.
[41:54] Yvonne Paez: At some point somebody's going to have to put their big boy pants on and decide things can't always be free, and that's going to be okay.
[42:05] Yvonne Paez: Because as long as the answer is we want it for free, There is no other answer.
[42:12] Kim Monson: I'm thinking of the student debt thing.
[42:14] Kim Monson: And I was talking to someone who's older than you, but he is not happy with Biden on the student loan forgiveness because he said, I worked and paid off my student loans.
[42:29] Kim Monson: And so how about if we come back with the fairness issue on this and explain again, it's public policy that inflated the price.
[42:40] Kim Monson: I'm trying to think here solutions.
[42:43] Kim Monson: I'm thinking of a kid that they've.
[42:44] Kim Monson: They've grew up in grade school and it's like go to college, go to college, go to college.
[42:49] Kim Monson: Here's free money to go to college.
[42:51] Kim Monson: Now there's a debt that's come due, and okay then we'll forgive that that is difficult and those kids are in difficult situations.
[43:00] Kim Monson: So I don't have that solution on that.
[43:06] Kim Monson: But I think what you're saying is some kind of a solution to that.
[43:08] Kim Monson: But then also, it's not fair that people that decided not to go to college would pay for people that decided to take on that debt.
[43:20] Kim Monson: It's not fair that people that did not take on that debt to go to college, it's not fair that they have to pay for that.
[43:29] Kim Monson: So maybe one of the first places to go with that argument is the.
[43:32] Kim Monson: It's not fair because that has been a Democrat message.
[43:35] Kim Monson: What do you think about that, Luke?
[43:38] Producer Luke: I mean, the messaging for Democrats in terms of the free college stuff sounds really nice.
[43:44] Producer Luke: This is one of the things that I have a hard time sort of justifying in my head.
[43:48] Producer Luke: I have a hard time playing devil's advocate for.
[43:50] Producer Luke: One of the things I've seen is, if you're at all familiar with the trolley problem, the ethics issue of, would you divert a trolley, force the trolley to change tracks to hit one person in order to save five?
[44:06] Producer Luke: And one of the variations of this was a trolley on a track, and it had run over a bunch of people, and there were a bunch of people still left to be run over.
[44:16] Producer Luke: And one of the things that was said was, is it fair to stop the trolley because so many people have already died?
[44:23] Producer Luke: It doesn't matter that people already paid for it or you paid it off.
[44:35] Producer Luke: I don't necessarily agree with it because they chose to lay on the tracks.
[44:47] Kim Monson: And you and I, we need to weigh in on this.
[44:51] Kim Monson: It's really got my thinking cap going.
[44:53] Kim Monson: You can see that there's smoke coming out of my ears as I'm trying to think about this.
[44:58] Kim Monson: And we're talking with Producer Luke and Yvonne Paez.
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[45:04] Kim Monson: They're raising money to remodel the Marine Memorial out at 6th and Colfax.
[45:09] Kim Monson: And my friends, as we look at this freedom, liberty that we live in, it's because people have been willing to put their lives on the line and- and many have given their lives so that we can do this, and a great way to honor them is to go to usmcmemorialfoundation.
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[48:00] Kim Monson: Thank you to all of you who support us.
[48:02] Kim Monson: We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[48:08] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[48:11] Kim Monson: What a fascinating conversation we are having with producer Luke.
[48:14] Kim Monson: He's 24 years old, and just hearing this perspective that he hears from many of his friends.
[48:20] Kim Monson: Yvonne Paez is a co- founder ofPerspectives 101, and that's one of the things that they do there is to help people look at these issues and gain their perspectives.
[48:29] Kim Monson: This is absolutely fascinating, and I don't feel like I've really contributed as much as the two of you because I've got to think about this.
[48:45] Kim Monson: The strings may be that you can't rise above mediocrity, that you will live a mediocre life and that you will be dependent on other people and you will not have the freedom to do the things that you want to do.
[48:59] Kim Monson: But I think I still have to work on the messaging on that.
[49:06] Yvonne Paez: Well, we left off where he was talking.
[49:09] Yvonne Paez: Uh, we were talking about student loans, and what do we do with those?
[49:12] Yvonne Paez: And and how fair is it um to take care of them or not to take care of them, etc.
[49:19] Yvonne Paez: I'm going to throw another perspective on this.
[49:20] Yvonne Paez: And um, so then you, you're the one of you know the young people who who ended up not going to college because they felt they couldn't afford it, so they chose other things, and and they, they went that route, and now they would be forced to pay for the people who took out these loans, et cetera.
[49:38] Yvonne Paez: We went ahead and did military service to pay with, you know, paid with blood, sweat, and tears for our education.
[49:46] Yvonne Paez: And then there's those who paid for their own.
[49:51] Yvonne Paez: And how about my Marines brothers and sisters, 14 of them who got blown up in Afghanistan, who were hoping one day to day to
[50:00] Yvonne Paez: to get that GI Bill and they never got it and they paid for it with their lives.
[50:09] Yvonne Paez: If you incurred a voluntary monetary obligation and nobody held a gun to your head to do that, you need to fulfill your obligation.
[50:21] Yvonne Paez: Now, if let's say they didn't hold a gun to your head, but let's say you were deceived in the way that they spoke about that.
[50:29] Yvonne Paez: Well then, I'm sure there's lawyers who would love to take that one on, because that would have to do with improper contracts and kind of deceiving you at the onset of the contract.
[50:41] Yvonne Paez: And maybe there's something to be done there.
[50:43] Yvonne Paez: If they are being a loan shark, let's say they put you in this thing and now the interest is steep or it's getting steeper or whatever.
[50:52] Yvonne Paez: I think people need to put the brakes on a loan shark government or a loan shark private entity that is trying to do this kind of thing to people.
[51:04] Yvonne Paez: So the only kind of respite I would see in there under the guise of quote-unquote fairness, which really, you know, it's hard to put our finger on fairness, would be, I would think, if there was some wrongdoing there, to adjust the interest rate to make it much more payable.
[51:22] Yvonne Paez: So, you know, like when people get in trouble with credit cards and stuff, there's agencies that intercede and that kind of thing, to help them be able to pay this off without it, you know, just killing them kind of thing.
[51:38] Yvonne Paez: You got into this and now we're just going to wipe the slate clean for you.
[51:42] Yvonne Paez: That does not seem fair at all within anybody's context of fairness.
[51:45] Yvonne Paez: and it also doesn't teach anybody any type of responsibility.
[51:57] Producer Luke: But in the interest of time, personally I agree.
[52:01] Producer Luke: I think I could make some compelling counter-arguments.
[52:08] Producer Luke: And one of them, maybe if we have time I'll just let simmer.
[52:12] Producer Luke: If you've been, to give a gross sort of over-exaggeration, should a person who has been groomed to perform an act from a young age who suffers the consequences of performing said act receive benefits or compensation for their suffering?
[52:30] Producer Luke: If you, as a product of having grown up in an institution that has groomed you to go to college, have not just been suckered in, but from a very young age- you know I mean I'm talking.
[52:41] Producer Luke: People are asking you what you want to do in college.
[52:43] Producer Luke: You know from you know- third, fourth, fifth grade- if you've been groomed by adults who should have known better to engage in these activities and to incur this debt, because you've been told your entire life, adults know what's best for you.
[52:58] Producer Luke: We know what's right for you, should you not then be compensated or in some way have that debt relieved because of the circumstances.
[53:11] Producer Luke: Not that I necessarily agree with that 100%, but a little counter argument there.
[53:15] Kim Monson: We're going to let that simmer because Luke said that he had possible solutions for Republican messaging.
[53:22] Kim Monson: So we probably have about five minutes, which is going to go fast.
[53:27] Producer Luke: I hear a lot of the times, especially, and I work at a, you know, KLZ, this is a conservative talk radio station, not a whole lot of solutions being presented.
[53:36] Producer Luke: I feel like Republicans messaging inherently comes down to taking away or saying no to what the Democrats want to do.
[53:46] Producer Luke: And you had a guest on here the other day, an expert in rhetoric.
[53:49] Producer Luke: And I feel like Republicans are ultimately losing the battle of language, which is in one of your intros and promos.
[53:55] Producer Luke: We're losing the battle of language because, I mean, it's almost inherent in policy that we're no, it's negative.
[54:06] Producer Luke: While Democrats, progressives, liberals inherently want to give things as part of their messaging.
[54:13] Producer Luke: And I feel like one solution, not that I'm, you know, no Siobhan or any expert on any of this.
[54:21] Producer Luke: One solution, we need to, we've been late to the party.
[54:29] Producer Luke: We need to stop saying we're going to take away things.
[54:33] Producer Luke: We need to stop saying we are going to not deny, vote no.
[54:39] Producer Luke: We need to immediately counter with why what we're going to do is better.
[54:45] Producer Luke: I don't want to hear a Republican say vote no on affordable housing because that's a bad message.
[54:52] Producer Luke: I mean, inherently in the language is a negative.
[54:56] Producer Luke: Instead, give your message, your position of here is what I offer.
[55:09] Producer Luke: I don't want to hear that from Republicans anymore.
[55:12] Kim Monson: Boy, that's a difficult one because I came out as a no on the Prop 123 affordable housing because I looked underneath the covers.
[55:23] Kim Monson: I looked underneath the hood to see what it really was about.
[55:27] Kim Monson: And what it was really about was creating new bureaucracies.
[55:31] Kim Monson: It was creating not affordable housing, but government-owned housing.
[55:35] Kim Monson: and it was padding the pockets of bureaucrats and politicians and interested parties.
[55:43] Kim Monson: And if that's what people want to do, to live in a bed in a box, if you will, then that's the way to go.
[55:51] Kim Monson: But if people want to go to work, roll up their sleeves to do the hard things, to start to say yes to freedom, to start to say yes to people having opportunity to be the very best that they can be, then we need to take a look at all these different things and be working towards more freedom and more liberty, which is liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom.
[56:15] Kim Monson: Yvonne, we've got a couple of minutes.
[56:17] Yvonne Paez: I would say, in all fairness to you, that was a yes or no question.
[56:22] Yvonne Paez: You know, it wasn't like there was any answer in between.
[56:27] Yvonne Paez: In all messaging, messaging must be positive.
[56:31] Yvonne Paez: and it should be positive from either side.
[56:35] Yvonne Paez: And then you can measure which one is more positive than the other.
[56:38] Yvonne Paez: But having the pushback, having the negative, having the no does not get anybody anywhere.
[56:43] Yvonne Paez: So he is right, you know, dead on on that.
[56:47] Yvonne Paez: And I think on the one scenario he made, the other thing is we have to learn to shed, to take off this victim jersey, because so much of what comes back on it, If I this or if I that or if I suffered, what are you going to do about me and that kind of stuff?
[57:04] Yvonne Paez: People are it's like in vogue to be a victim.
[57:08] Yvonne Paez: And the more you're victimized, the better you are.
[57:11] Yvonne Paez: So we need to take that jersey off and find a jersey of strength and get addicted to a new thing.
[57:19] Producer Luke: And if I can real quick before we jump in, just because I feel like I have a great way to button it up.
[57:25] Producer Luke: Republicans have been playing defense for such a long time.
[57:28] Producer Luke: liberals, Democrats, they present things and we say no.
[57:38] Producer Luke: And us being on the defensive is wearing that victim jersey.
[57:41] Producer Luke: We can't sit around and say we are victims of being second.
[57:49] Kim Monson: I think we probably, I need to do some mental work on this, but this has been absolutely fascinating.
[58:03] Kim Monson: And Luke, Producer Luke, you're really putting it out there.
[58:09] Kim Monson: I think, Yvonne, we're going to have to have round two.
[58:15] Yvonne Paez: And so be careful out there practicing over the Christmas dinner table.
[58:18] Yvonne Paez: Remember to ask questions and not preach.
[58:21] Yvonne Paez: How would you solve that problem is the way to engage.
[58:26] Kim Monson: So, Yvonne Paez, thank you so much.
[58:30] Kim Monson: Producer Luke, this has been fascinating.
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[60:38] Kim Monson: Murray Sabrin, and he's got quite a story.
[60:41] Kim Monson: We're going to talk about his story.
[60:43] Kim Monson: He's recently published his autobiography, but he is considered a public intellectual for writing essays about the economy for a wide variety of scholarly and popular publications.
[60:54] Kim Monson: His most recent books were published in 2021, Universal Medical Care from Conception to End of Life, The Case for an Individual Single-Payer System, and Navigating the Boom-Bus Cycle and Entrepreneur's Survival Guide.
[61:12] Kim Monson: And we've had some interesting conversations before on the show, but we're going to talk about you.
[61:22] Murray Sabrin: Well, we can start on that hot summer day in August 1949 when I came to America with my older brother and parents.
[61:30] Murray Sabrin: My parents were the only members of their families who survived the war, World War II.
[61:36] Murray Sabrin: My father was a partisan commander in his native Poland.
[61:39] Murray Sabrin: And for a year, the last year of the war for him, from July 1943 to July 1944, he was in charge of 230 people, making sure that the German war machine did not succeed in Poland.
[61:52] Murray Sabrin: And he was in charge of getting people to blow up bridges, blow up railroad tracks, blow up convoys.
[61:59] Murray Sabrin: And that's what he did for a year until the Russian army came in, Soviet army came in, and liberated his part of Poland.
[62:06] Murray Sabrin: And for him, for all intents and purposes, the war was over.
[62:10] Murray Sabrin: And he put all his memories of that war into a book called We Dare to Live that was published, I think posthumously.
[62:19] Murray Sabrin: My older brother got the manuscript and published it.
[62:23] Murray Sabrin: And it's just a wonderful memoir of what he did.
[62:26] Murray Sabrin: And growing up, I used to ask my parents questions about the war.
[62:39] Murray Sabrin: But at the end of his memoir, he writes about an incident that happened right after he was liberated.
[62:44] Murray Sabrin: And he never told me about this while I was growing up.
[62:50] Murray Sabrin: And when I read it, it sent chills down my spine because if he did what the Soviet colonel, general, asked him to do, he probably wouldn't have survived World War II.
[63:06] Murray Sabrin: My parents decided in 1946 to go to West Germany, just like many of their friends did after World War II.
[63:17] Murray Sabrin: And he decided to, well, it's time to go to America.
[63:23] Murray Sabrin: I brought his great aunt in New York City and his first cousin, who also survived the war.
[63:32] Murray Sabrin: And so we sailed for America in July of 1949, came to America, and settled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan.
[63:43] Murray Sabrin: The rent, believe it or not, Kim, was$ 26 a month.
[63:46] Unknown: Wow.
[63:47] Murray Sabrin: And for$ 26 a month, we had what's called a railroad apartment.
[63:55] Murray Sabrin: To the left was the bedroom, one-bedroom apartment.
[63:59] Murray Sabrin: And then you go into the kitchen, and then you go from the kitchen into the living room.
[64:09] Murray Sabrin: And we didn't have a bathroom in the apartment.
[64:11] Murray Sabrin: We had a bathroom in the hallway shared with other families.
[64:18] Murray Sabrin: And so that was my first impression of America.
[64:25] Murray Sabrin: And then in 1953, my father and mother made a decision.
[64:32] Murray Sabrin: They rented an apartment that his cousin left to go to Colorado Springs because she suffered from asthma.
[64:39] Murray Sabrin: And for some reason, they decided to move to Colorado Springs, Colorado.
[64:42] Murray Sabrin: and we took their apartment right a floor above his great aunt, who, by the way, raised his mother in the early part of the 20th century in the United States.
[64:53] Murray Sabrin: And so there was a great connection between my father and his great aunt, who raised his mother.
[64:59] Murray Sabrin: His mother then went back to Poland, got married, had a big family, and they all perished during the war.
[65:05] Murray Sabrin: So it's just amazing when you hear that story, Kim, you wonder how life is full of incredible twists in time because of one decision you make in life.
[65:18] Murray Sabrin: And if my father's mother didn't make that decision to go back to Poland, she would have survived and maybe my father wouldn't have been born and I wouldn't have been born.
[65:27] Murray Sabrin: So it's just one of those things that you hear about and you say, how many stories are like that in the United States and Europe and around the world where one decision has such a huge impact on you, your family, and future generations.
[65:45] Kim Monson: Sabrin, I went to Normandy in 2016 with a group that accompanied four D-Day veterans back to Normandy for the 72nd anniversary of the D-Day landings.
[65:56] Kim Monson: And I have this other show, America's Veterans Stories, where I've interviewed veterans, and I think I've interviewed over 200 World War II veterans.
[66:04] Kim Monson: But I remember when we were at the cemetery at Normandy, two of the gentlemen that we were with were first wave Omaha on Higgins boats.
[66:16] Kim Monson: And of course, that was they called it Bloody Omaha.
[66:19] Kim Monson: And so we're at the cemetery and somebody said, Oh, Frank, you are such a hero.
[66:26] Kim Monson: He said, it's these guys here that are the hero.
[66:29] Kim Monson: And then somebody, one of the interviews that I had is they said that those young men that lay in those cemeteries, they never had the opportunity to.
[66:40] Kim Monson: who, or many of them, did not have the opportunity to get married and have children.
[66:45] Kim Monson: And that just kind of stopped me in my tracks when I thought about what that meant exactly for future generations.
[66:53] Kim Monson: These young men gave up their lives, but they also gave up the chance at children and things.
[66:58] Kim Monson: It just kind of stopped me in my tracks.
[67:03] Murray Sabrin: We stopped in Normandy, I think it was four years ago, if I recall correctly.
[67:09] Murray Sabrin: We walked through the American cemetery, and what you see is the names and the birthdays and the day they died.
[67:15] Murray Sabrin: And most of these soldiers were 18, 19, 20 years old.
[67:19] Murray Sabrin: And the first thing that came to my mind is, what did America lose when these young men died for our country?
[67:28] Murray Sabrin: And what we lost is how many engineers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, inventors, writers, talk show hosts did we lose?
[67:36] Murray Sabrin: on Normandy and World War II, and that is the human question no one ever talks about is, what opportunities did the world lose because all these young men died all over the world because of World War II?
[67:51] Murray Sabrin: I mean, it's amazing how many things we don't know would have been discovered by people who died on Normandy.
[67:59] Murray Sabrin: I mean, think of the scientists that could have been discovering treatments of cancer who died.
[68:07] Murray Sabrin: I mean, we just don't know because this is an unknown thing of people who lost their lives.
[68:14] Murray Sabrin: And we, of course, are the less rich for it, not in terms of money, but in terms of knowledge, in terms of entertainment, education, and all the other things that make life worth living.
[68:26] Murray Sabrin: And so that is one of the most sober experiences I've ever had.
[68:28] Murray Sabrin: The other one was when we were in Vietnam a few years earlier, and we went to the war museum in Saigon, which is now called Ho Chi Minh City.
[68:37] Murray Sabrin: And you see all the images of the death and destruction in Vietnam, and the soldiers, the American soldiers who died, and the Vietnamese who died.
[68:47] Murray Sabrin: And the amazing thing about Vietnam when we were there is that there were very few old people.
[68:51] Murray Sabrin: It's a country of very young people, because the old people, there were very few old people because they died as young people during the war, or they died from illnesses from the war.
[69:05] Murray Sabrin: They treated us with incredible respect and kindness.
[69:07] Murray Sabrin: And this is an American who spent more than 10 years in Vietnam bombing them to kingdom come.
[69:16] Murray Sabrin: And so it was an amazing experience going to Vietnam and the other country that we went to, which was really amazing, was Cuba.
[69:24] Kim Monson: You know, let's hold that thought on that.
[69:28] Kim Monson: And regarding Vietnam, I've interviewed many Vietnam veterans, and they served our country.
[69:36] Kim Monson: They were asked to go there, and they did what they were asked to do.
[69:41] Kim Monson: And I know many of them have great affection for the South Vietnamese people.
[69:47] Kim Monson: And, yeah, it's just super interesting on that, Dr.
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[72:28] Kim Monson: We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[72:34] Kim Monson: If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it.
[72:37] Kim Monson: And thrilled to be talking with Dr.
[72:41] Kim Monson: And he is, we're talking about his life story.
[72:49] Kim Monson: Before we went to break, though, you had talked about also being at Normandy, that you'd been in Vietnam, and then And you said Cuba, and not many Americans have been to Cuba, Dr.
[73:06] Murray Sabrin: We were living in New Jersey at the time, so we flew from a North airport in New Jersey to Miami, and went from Miami to Cuba.
[73:14] Murray Sabrin: And you go to the airport in Cuba, and you really feel like you're in a police state.
[73:21] Murray Sabrin: And the amazing thing about the Cubans or the Cuban-Americans that were there, they were basically doing everything that could be done for the country, TVs and other appliances, because they're the Cuban people.
[73:32] Murray Sabrin: These are out-of-the-question items to buy given their media income.
[73:36] Murray Sabrin: And you see all the things coming off the airplane on the carousel, and it looked like a warehouse in Amazon.
[73:43] Unknown: Oh, my gosh.
[73:45] Murray Sabrin: Everything you could possibly find in Amazon, you were finding on the carousel there.
[73:51] Murray Sabrin: And so on this tour, we took a bus tour throughout the island, stayed in very nice places, met Cuban people, visited them in their homes.
[73:59] Murray Sabrin: And one thing you notice, it's like the Back to the Future movie.
[74:03] Murray Sabrin: You see all these great cars from the 1950s that you see in American graffiti and other movies of that era that people just because of the sanctions and the embargo, the trade embargoes, there are no new cars.
[74:19] Murray Sabrin: And you get to learn that the people who do really well in Cuba are the tourist guys and anyone related to the tourist industry, plus the mechanics.
[74:31] Murray Sabrin: We visited the home of an auto mechanic, a beautiful apartment home that they had in Cuba.
[74:36] Murray Sabrin: And one thing you notice, the place has really run down because people don't have enough money to fix up their houses, their hotels, whatever.
[74:45] Murray Sabrin: And it's a sad situation because Cuba is a natural trading partner of the United States, given the proximity, given the long history of Cuba and American relations.
[74:56] Murray Sabrin: And I've never been in favor of the embargo sanctions.
[75:01] Murray Sabrin: They hurt innocent people for political reasons.
[75:06] Murray Sabrin: And we've had lectures by people who know Cuban-American relations, the culture, the history.
[75:12] Murray Sabrin: And it was just informative as a college professor, to get to know more about Cuba and its history and American relations.
[75:21] Murray Sabrin: And one of the lecturers was selling high up in the government, and they talked about former Congressman Ron Paul, who was a presidential candidate, during one of the debates in 2008-2012, saying we should end the embargo on Cuba because free trade is natural to Americans and other peoples around the world.
[75:43] Murray Sabrin: And I mentioned to him that in 2008, Ron Paul's campaign asked me to be his spokesperson in New Jersey.
[75:49] Murray Sabrin: So I went around to different presidential forms and spoke on his behalf, talking about free trade and free enterprise and limited government and constitutionalism, and why we should follow the Constitution very strictly.
[76:07] Murray Sabrin: in the Bill of Rights and articulated in the Declaration of Independence.
[76:13] Murray Sabrin: And so we knew all about Ron Paul's stance on free trade, and we had a wonderful conversation.
[76:19] Murray Sabrin: He spoke perfect English, and we just talked about American-Cuban relations and how they could be improved.
[76:27] Murray Sabrin: But it's very difficult because of the heavy Cuban-American lobby in Florida that is adamantly opposed to communism.
[76:33] Murray Sabrin: I don't know who's in favor of communism, But I wish some common sense would prevail in Washington so the American people can vote.
[76:46] Kim Monson: That's an oxymoron to say the term common sense and Washington in the same sentence, Dr.
[76:54] Murray Sabrin: I've been following this for a long time, Kim, and it's going downhill rapidly.
[76:58] Murray Sabrin: And unfortunately, both political parties are giving us bigger and bigger government.
[77:05] Murray Sabrin: They're throwing everything in the kitchen sink- a 4 000 page spending bill.
[77:12] Murray Sabrin: How can the congress- supposedly the board of directors of this enterprise, called the federal government- vote on something they haven't read?
[77:20] Murray Sabrin: That's like, uh, apple or, uh, any company- the board of directors voting on capital expenditures without reading the proposal of what the capital expenditures would be and how that impact the economy.
[77:32] Murray Sabrin: So I'm just appalled at what goes on in Washington.
[77:36] Murray Sabrin: What we need is, we really need, as I like to call it, the beginning of the true abolition of this welfare state that we have and big spending overseas and get down to a constitutional budget.
[77:54] Murray Sabrin: And to do that would be very difficult, given all the money that the federal government is spending on.
[78:00] Murray Sabrin: So many businesses are now dependent on federal tax dollars, which means what?
[78:06] Murray Sabrin: The American people are poorer because of that, because if you tax a person a dollar and the government gives that dollar to somebody else, there's no benefit to the economy.
[78:16] Murray Sabrin: Somebody has a dollar less, someone has a dollar more.
[78:21] Murray Sabrin: In fact, it's worse than that because the federal government is running a huge deficit.
[78:25] Murray Sabrin: and in order to fund those deficits, the Federal Reserve is buying up some of that debt, which means they're creating money to buy government paper.
[78:35] Murray Sabrin: And so that's the driver behind the inflation that we've seen this past year of around 7%, 8%, the highest in 40 years.
[78:47] Murray Sabrin: The Federal Reserve sort of enables it by buying debt.
[78:51] Murray Sabrin: If the American people were honest with the federal government, they would say to the federal government, raise our taxes because we think all the spending is wonderful and therefore we should pay as we go and not have all these deficits.
[79:03] Murray Sabrin: But the politicians have convinced the American people and so have economists that deficit spending is not a bad thing to do because, after all, we owe to ourselves the debt, which of course is false because a lot of the debt is owned by overseas investors and governments.
[79:19] Murray Sabrin: So what we're seeing now is I think the end game, how long it takes to really come crashing down remains to be seen.
[79:27] Murray Sabrin: But a government can't keep on borrowing money forever because who's going to buy the debt in the future?
[79:33] Murray Sabrin: And I think we're starting to see countries saying to themselves, we can't take on any more debt of the United States because we have too much debt on our own.
[79:45] Murray Sabrin: So once that game stops, that musical chair game stops, that's when the federal government will have to make some very serious decisions about how large it wants to be.
[79:55] Murray Sabrin: And given the fact that the government has grown by leaps and bounds over the last three years because of COVID, it's going to be very painful to have a downsizing of the federal government.
[80:05] Murray Sabrin: The analogy I like to use, Kim, is when you have an operation, and either the operation to save your life or to make life better for you, you have to go through recuperation.
[80:14] Murray Sabrin: And sometimes that recuperation is pretty painful because you don't want to keep on taking painkillers.
[80:18] Murray Sabrin: So you try to work it out without the painkillers.
[80:21] Murray Sabrin: But it takes a while to get rid of the pain and to recuperate.
[80:25] Murray Sabrin: And so anyone who has an operation out there knows that the recuperation period is necessary but can be very challenging because it doesn't have to make them painlessly.
[80:36] Kim Monson: Well, this is going to get addressed one way or another.
[80:40] Kim Monson: We're either going to address it or market forces are going to address it.
[80:45] Kim Monson: And it would be painful either way.
[80:49] Kim Monson: But we need to act like men and women instead of little kids and think about what we're passing on to the next generation and take responsibility for that.
[80:59] Kim Monson: And we must have this conversation, otherwise the conversation will be held for us.
[81:12] Murray Sabrin: You keep on stretching it, stretching it, stretching it, and eventually it's going to break.
[81:19] Murray Sabrin: And given the research I've done about the history of the budget, the history of deficits, the history of printing money, and the cycles we've seen in American financial history, which is what caused us for many years before I retired, I think we could see a major financial crisis.
[81:37] Murray Sabrin: or not to put a major financial crisis, something that could be comparable to 1929 to 1933, where the stock market went down nearly 90%, where unemployment went to 25%, and spending in Washington just went crazy because they tried to stem the hemorrhaging of the Depression, which, of course, was caused by the government spending and printing their money.
[81:58] Murray Sabrin: So we're repeating the same mistakes of the 1920s 100 years later in the 2020s.
[82:05] Murray Sabrin: And the impetus in the 2020s was the notion that you can depress interest rates by spending money, creating money to keep the price level stable.
[82:15] Murray Sabrin: So most economists said since the prices are stable, there's no inflation problem.
[82:18] Murray Sabrin: But there were bubbles in housing, in the real estate market, and in the stock market, and that okayed progression down in the late 1920s.
[82:27] Murray Sabrin: Housing prices have gone through the roof in some communities.
[82:30] Murray Sabrin: I'm here in Southwest Florida, and prices in some communities are up 100%in three years.
[82:35] Murray Sabrin: And they're now correcting a little bit, but the demand for housing in Florida has increased exponentially because it's a much freer state than the Northeast and Midwest California.
[82:46] Murray Sabrin: And we see license plates all across the country of people who are moving to Florida, about 1, 000a day, because they're just fed up with the taxes and the political nonsense that goes on all over the country.
[83:04] Kim Monson: It doesn't sound, I mean, it sounds daunting.
[83:09] Kim Monson: Well, that's what I'm doing, what I'm doing in retirement.
[83:12] Murray Sabrin: I mean, I could sit back and relax here in the Southwest Florida, work on my tent and just relax.
[83:20] Murray Sabrin: four books since I retired two and a half years ago, and I continue to write.
[83:27] Murray Sabrin: I just wrote about that the other day, and I'll be writing about the federal spending, and hopefully my leadership will grow and people will spread the ideas out.
[83:36] Murray Sabrin: And the less that you can expect is the politicians will say, oh, I'm wrong.
[83:41] Murray Sabrin: But this is a process that's going to take time.
[83:44] Murray Sabrin: First of all, you need to understand what's the problem.
[83:50] Murray Sabrin: And then you can offer solutions, which is what I I'm doing on my sub stack column.
[83:54] Murray Sabrin: So on immigration, I think the answer is pretty clear.
[83:58] Murray Sabrin: Follow the procedure that we did in 1949 when my parents applied for entry into the united states.
[84:03] Murray Sabrin: My father was interviewed before we came here in germany and um, I think he was a partisan commander- and contact with the soviet army to make sure that the german war machine was turned back.
[84:20] Murray Sabrin: And so we came to America through the front door.
[84:23] Murray Sabrin: We didn't go through Canada or Mexico to sneak into the country.
[84:29] Murray Sabrin: And he and his fellow Holocaust survivors did the same thing in that post-World War II period.
[84:35] Murray Sabrin: And that's how you have a sound immigration policy.
[84:39] Murray Sabrin: What we have today, Kate, is really remarkable.
[84:44] Murray Sabrin: Where's the passport of people coming through the southern border?
[84:46] Murray Sabrin: Where is the health check of people coming through the border?
[84:50] Murray Sabrin: Where are the sponsors of people coming through the southern border?
[84:56] Murray Sabrin: When we came to america, uh, international refugee organization, my father told me: hi, yes, it used to be called the hebrew immigrant, a society which has been around since the mid 19th century.
[85:08] Murray Sabrin: I can go to their website and see all the great work they do with refugees all across the world.
[85:12] Murray Sabrin: And but each nation has its own immigration policy and we don't seem to have an immigration policy.
[85:18] Murray Sabrin: We just have basically saying, come to America, and we're going to take care of you, which means the welfare state is a magnet to some degree because it provides all these benefits to people, and we didn't have any benefits.
[85:31] Murray Sabrin: My father started working at a pencil factory with a dollar an hour in 1949, and that's how he supported his family.
[85:37] Kim Monson: Well, and that's an important point to make.
[85:43] Kim Monson: Murray Sabrin, and we're actually talking about some of the big issues, because that's on his heart, what to do, but also interwoven within.
[85:51] Kim Monson: He came to america 1949, parents, holocaust survivors, and so stay tuned, we'll be right back.
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[87:52] Kim Monson: Murray Sabrin, and he actually ran for governor.
[87:59] Murray Sabrin: 1997, so it's the 25th anniversary of my first campaign for public office for governor of New Jersey.
[88:06] Murray Sabrin: and it was an exciting period to be on stage with the Democrat and Republican candidates.
[88:15] Murray Sabrin: And we had some impact on public policy in the following months and years ahead.
[88:20] Murray Sabrin: And people realized that Libertarian ideas, which are basically free market, limited government ideas, the foundation of America, is best suited for governing a state or the country.
[88:31] Murray Sabrin: And my job in retirement now was to bring those ideas to the American people in any venue I can.
[88:39] Murray Sabrin: So I really appreciate the opportunity to have the oldest news here about how we can solve these intractable problems that the Democrats and Republicans have been trying to address, but without any success.
[88:51] Kim Monson: Sabrin, I have a lot of libertarian tendencies, I think.
[88:56] Kim Monson: But my understanding with some libertarians is they believe in open borders.
[89:01] Kim Monson: However, you just described your family's experience where you came here legally, and your dad went to work immediately, was not on public assistance, worked hard to start to move up the economic ladder, again, not depending on the government, because when you're depending on government, government does not create anything.
[89:21] Kim Monson: They're taking money from somebody else to provide that.
[89:24] Kim Monson: And that's not the policy we have right now.
[89:27] Kim Monson: But you don't sound like you're an open border guy.
[89:32] Murray Sabrin: Well, there are libertarians who believe in open borders, and there are libertarians who don't believe in open borders.
[89:39] Murray Sabrin: That, I think, is a given because people have the right to exchange goods and services with anyone they want to, whether they're in the United States or in Canada or Mexico or anywhere in the world.
[89:48] Murray Sabrin: But open borders is another issue that there is a difference of opinion among libertarians about.
[89:54] Murray Sabrin: How do you apply libertarian philosophy to the concept of immigration?
[89:58] Murray Sabrin: And I come from the school that says, listen, There's a process to have an orderly, common-sense immigration so people can be integrated very seamlessly into our country.
[90:08] Murray Sabrin: What we're seeing at the border today is a disgrace.
[90:13] Murray Sabrin: I mean, last week, a woman gave birth at the border.
[90:17] Murray Sabrin: I mean, what kind of society allows this to happen where people are coming in and who knows what sort of illnesses they carry?
[90:23] Murray Sabrin: because we know people in third world countries are not the healthiest people in the world, and they may be bringing in communicable diseases.
[90:30] Murray Sabrin: And with all the concern about COVID, it seems to me that the Biden administration is AWOL.
[90:37] Murray Sabrin: And in fact, I think a case could be made that Biden should be impeached and convicted of neglecting his duty to execute state-sponsored laws of the land, which is immigration laws, which says that there's a process of coming to this country.
[90:52] Murray Sabrin: you can't come in from the Canadian border willy-nilly.
[90:56] Murray Sabrin: And when you come back, you get asked questions about at the border, are you coming with your car, who are you, where are you coming from, and so on and so forth, or going into Canada.
[91:09] Murray Sabrin: So what we've had now is a total breakdown of the border, of a process that should be based upon common-sense approaches to having people come.
[91:20] Murray Sabrin: And the most important thing is having a sponsor.
[91:23] Murray Sabrin: If the people in Congress believe that immigration is good, then they should sponsor immigrants and have them live in San Francisco and next to close to Brooklyn, where Chuck Schumer is the Senate majority leader, and other Republicans that believe in open borders.
[91:38] Murray Sabrin: And these people are total hypocrites, Kim, on this issue because they don't want to help people.
[91:44] Murray Sabrin: What they're doing is an agenda to flood the country with people who they think will be integrated in American society.
[91:54] Murray Sabrin: But I think their ultimate goal is to have as many Democratic voters as is happening under a Democratic administration.
[92:00] Murray Sabrin: And the people say, Biden said the country is open, so we're going to come marching to the country willy-nilly and not be vetted properly like my father was in 1949.
[92:13] Kim Monson: Sabrin, I served for six years on the board of Lutheran Family Services, and initially I loved their work as a charity.
[92:22] Kim Monson: They did a lot of adoption programs for women that found themselves pregnant and unplanned pregnancies, and I loved that, and also refugee resettlement.
[92:35] Kim Monson: And I was thinking basically of the story of your family, people that are coming from war-torn countries and being persecuted.
[92:45] Kim Monson: And I think the process, this is what's so interesting, is the process can get hijacked.
[92:51] Kim Monson: So to your point, it used to be that people would come over.
[92:57] Kim Monson: The sponsor would guarantee that maybe a couple of months of rent and help them get a job.
[93:02] Kim Monson: and then people were on their own to go out and work hard for their American dream.
[93:08] Kim Monson: And churches got involved in that, very compassionate.
[93:11] Kim Monson: And then the next thing you know, there's a charity that's been created to kind of match that sponsorship up with people.
[93:20] Kim Monson: And then the government got involved.
[93:23] Kim Monson: And once the government got involved, and it was just this eye-opening experience when I was looking at the financials, and I realized at the time, I think it was about a$ 14 million budget.
[93:35] Kim Monson: The$ 12 million was coming from the government, and it was primarily for refugee resettlement, and this was in the 90s.
[93:41] Kim Monson: All of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute, this isn't a charity.
[93:44] Kim Monson: This is dependent on the government.
[93:47] Kim Monson: And then the government started to drive policy, and when the government gets involved, things get out of whack.
[93:58] Murray Sabrin: We see it in every aspect of our society, whether it's environmental issues, which should be settled very simply with taught law, whether it's education where government is dictating what should be taught in schools and forcing ideas down the children's throat that parents object to.
[94:14] Murray Sabrin: We see it in health care where the government spends 50%of the health care bill, which is now$ 4 trillion a year.
[94:21] Murray Sabrin: I mean, the health care spending in this country is really outrageous and very high and expensive, and we're not getting a good value for those dollars.
[94:30] Murray Sabrin: And so these are things I've been writing about.
[94:33] Murray Sabrin: The way I would describe libertarians today is we are the real abolitionists in America.
[94:42] Murray Sabrin: But the way you build them up is you use the tools that the founders envisioned for America, free enterprise, limited government, personal responsibility, all the things that I learned as a youngster, that you work to achieve your goals.
[94:59] Murray Sabrin: You go and get a career that is going to be something of great value and productive.
[95:04] Murray Sabrin: And that's what I did is become an educator because education is a part of civilization.
[95:12] Murray Sabrin: If you don't have an educated population, how are you going to do high- techstuff?
[95:15] Murray Sabrin: How are you going to communicate with other people?
[95:17] Murray Sabrin: And with all the technology we have today and all the opportunities in America, it's fairly easy that if you're an industrious person who has any sort of personal responsibility, you're going to do well in America.
[95:30] Murray Sabrin: And we know the Cuban- Americansthat came here, they did exceedingly well in Florida and other parts of the country.
[95:36] Murray Sabrin: The Vietnamese do exceedingly well because they're very entrepreneurial.
[95:43] Murray Sabrin: We need family- orientedideas and policies in this country.
[95:47] Murray Sabrin: And we have too many young people, especially in the inner cities, being raised with no fathers.
[95:52] Murray Sabrin: And we know the data shows very clearly that there's not a father in the household.
[95:57] Murray Sabrin: There's a high probability that young children devolve in their life of crime.
[96:00] Kim Monson: Well, but this has been an agenda that has been driven.
[96:04] Kim Monson: And we could go back to LBJ, Lyndon B.
[96:09] Kim Monson: Johnson, with the Great Society, where basically he said to women, he said, the government will help take care of you and your family as long as there's not a man in the house.
[96:22] Kim Monson: And my gosh, what a detriment that was, because men didn't have to then be responsible for their families.
[96:34] Kim Monson: And so we've seen just this breakdown in basically all the different describers here in our country.
[96:46] Murray Sabrin: This is, I think, one of the most shocking developments socially for America, is the breakdown of the nuclear family.
[96:53] Murray Sabrin: And by the way, that's the goal of the Marxist.
[96:55] Murray Sabrin: If you've been reading of Karl Marx, he wants to get rid of the family unit as a basic social unit because then the government would take it over, raise the kids, and you'd have a communist society.
[97:07] Murray Sabrin: That was what Marx envisioned, and it's been played out in America for the past 60 years since the Great Society programs kicked in in the mid- 1960s.
[97:17] Murray Sabrin: So again, ironically, America had a cold war against the Soviet Union, the cradle of Marxism, and what happened?
[97:24] Murray Sabrin: We basically developed our own Marxist society in America, slowly but slowly but slowly, and people don't understand what's going on.
[97:32] Murray Sabrin: They think these drag shows for youngsters are a good thing.
[97:38] Murray Sabrin: And the sad thing is parents are taking their kids there, especially single mothers.
[97:42] Murray Sabrin: So I don't understand that psychology of philosophy of taking youngsters to drag shows.
[97:49] Kim Monson: Well, and I ended up writing a piece for Voices Against Trafficking, and I called it what it really is.
[97:54] Kim Monson: They call them drag queen shows, but actually what it is is grown men.
[98:00] Kim Monson: dressing up like women, dancing provocatively in front of little children.
[98:05] Kim Monson: I don't know who thinks that that could be a good idea.
[98:08] Kim Monson: Your thought on that, and then we'll go to break.
[98:14] Murray Sabrin: I mean, I've been around long enough to see the deterioration of our culture, decade after decade after decade, and it just shows you why ideas are important and how media influences are important.
[98:28] Murray Sabrin: People from Hollywood and the movies, they have a huge impact on young people.
[98:32] Murray Sabrin: And I don't know how to explain that, except people speaking out and writing essays and speaking out in speeches.
[98:42] Murray Sabrin: And certainly the politicians should talk about not having the schools be the sort of the conduit, the transmission mechanism for all these woke ideas that are really, I think, poisoning young people's minds.
[98:55] Kim Monson: I think they really are too as well, Dr.
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[99:14] Kim Monson: She is a woman Marine and also a Vietnam veteran's gold star wife.
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[102:16] Kim Monson: I am so thrilled to have on the line with me Dr.
[102:20] Kim Monson: He was a candidate for governor in New Jersey in 1997 on the Libertarian ticket.
[102:27] Kim Monson: And he's been a college professor.
[102:31] Kim Monson: Written a number of books and has recently published his autobiography.
[102:36] Kim Monson: Sabrin, we have this last segment left.
[102:38] Kim Monson: What do you want to make sure our listeners hear?
[102:41] Murray Sabrin: Well, the reason I wrote this autobiography is not just to talk about the 97th campaign, which is at the end of the book.
[102:48] Murray Sabrin: Let's talk about how I got to eventually become a political candidate.
[102:54] Murray Sabrin: I mean my goal in 1971, when I was teaching New York City public schools, was to become a college professor, because I realized that the three years in the public school system in New York City, that this was not my future, because there was no intellectual simulation that I was seeking, that I thought I would get in the public schools.
[103:11] Murray Sabrin: So I started graduate school full-time in 1972, got my degree years later, I worked at various jobs and got laid off several times in the late 70s, early 80s.
[103:23] Murray Sabrin: And if I didn't get laid off, I wouldn't have been in the right place at the right time in 1985, when I was hired on an emergency basis to teach finance at Randolph Road College in New Jersey.
[103:33] Murray Sabrin: And that turned into a tenure-track position and eventually promotions.
[103:36] Murray Sabrin: And then wrote a book on how to create a tax-free society called Tax-Free 2000.
[103:42] Murray Sabrin: And then I wrote another book on the Federal Reserve that was discussed back last year.
[103:46] Murray Sabrin: and two other books last year that were published on the Federal Reserve, the boom-bust cycle, and I have a food market medical care system.
[103:58] Murray Sabrin: And then my two most recent books were basically a guide to entrepreneurs and how they can reduce their health care expenses for their employees and provide quality health care.
[104:09] Murray Sabrin: And then my other biography, which I hope is an inspiration to young people because the book is really about the challenges I faced as a youngster, as an adult, and how I persevered, how I had that commitment to the values that I was brought up with.
[104:26] Murray Sabrin: And as my father said over and over again in my lifetime, there's a right way and there's a wrong way.
[104:32] Murray Sabrin: I always choose the right way, and that's basically what I've been doing in order to have a career in teaching finance, working with students, working with colleagues, and it was just a great experience to spend nearly half of my life in the classroom with young people and having an impact on their lives, which they let me know in speaking with me and emails that they sent me on Facebook, LinkedIn, to be connected with students I've taught over the years.
[105:00] Murray Sabrin: And that's one of the most gratifying things that I think a person can do, which have an impact on young folks so they can develop and to be responsible, productive human beings.
[105:13] Murray Sabrin: If I hadn't been at the right place at the right time in 1985, I never would have gotten the first job at the college that turned into a full-time career.
[105:20] Murray Sabrin: So as we talked about earlier, life is full of twists and turns.
[105:24] Murray Sabrin: And if I hadn't gotten laid off, I probably never would have run for office and never written my autobiography.
[105:33] Murray Sabrin: And so it's just amazing how life unfolds when there are things that you'd like to plan- which I did in 1971- to go to graduate school, but there are things that happen that you feel so depressed about because you lose your job and you lose it again and again.
[105:53] Murray Sabrin: And so by learning all these things, I was able to teach finance, which I didn't study formally at the college level, but I had enough business experience and work experience that I was able to teach finance.
[106:08] Murray Sabrin: And I'll tell you, teaching finance in the United States was one of the great experiences because I really wove history, economics, finance, philosophy, sociology, all into that one course.
[106:22] Murray Sabrin: And students just loved it because they learned things that they never learned in their history courses, their economics courses, their business courses.
[106:30] Murray Sabrin: And so I consider that one of the most important things I could have done with my life is help young students understand how our society economy unfolded for 200 years and why we have these intractable problems.
[106:42] Murray Sabrin: That can be solved very easily by applying some principles that free market economists have been talking about for decades.
[106:49] Kim Monson: Well, and I love what I heard through this, what you said there, and that is this resiliency that you had.
[106:58] Kim Monson: And I think that we are raising some kids with, well, I know this, teaching kids through like CRT or whatever the iterations are, putting kids into groups and then saying this group is oppressed or this is an oppressor or whatever.
[107:18] Kim Monson: And if you're a victim, you can't be resilient.
[107:21] Kim Monson: And so this story that you tell of you lost your job, but you kept moving.
[107:27] Kim Monson: And ultimately, if that happens and you keep working hard, I think it was Thomas Jefferson said, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
[107:36] Kim Monson: And I think people need to remember that, Dr.
[107:41] Murray Sabrin: And as I look back, I say there were times that I could have fallen into a depression that would have been really, really painful on many levels.
[107:53] Murray Sabrin: And it did, as a youngster and as a young adult.
[107:57] Murray Sabrin: And so what happened in real time, you never know where the light of the internet will come from.
[108:06] Murray Sabrin: But looking back, you're fortunate to say you just persevered and things worked out for the best.
[108:12] Murray Sabrin: I mean, I'm not super rich, but I'm certainly very comfortable financially, which is a great blessing in these times because so many people are struggling financially.
[108:22] Murray Sabrin: So I have to give my parents credit for teaching me the importance of savings.
[108:28] Murray Sabrin: And when you save money over a lifetime, good things happen to you when no other will be working.
[108:38] Murray Sabrin: and my wife learned that also, our parents lived together.
[108:42] Murray Sabrin: We've done quite well, even though we never ran a business, we never had a business.
[108:46] Murray Sabrin: We just were educators all our working lives, and it's worked out extremely well.
[108:52] Murray Sabrin: So the lesson that I learned that I want to impart to young people in my autobiography is that there is always ways to improve your life and never give up, because if you give up, that's why I saw a statistic the other day, That's really frightening.
[109:08] Murray Sabrin: More than 20%of the American people have mental health issues.
[109:11] Murray Sabrin: And I don't know how much medication they're taking.
[109:14] Murray Sabrin: So that's the shared reality between COVID, the economy, all these other things that are happening in our society.
[109:24] Murray Sabrin: And we're seeing this in increasing suicides, increasing other diseases that are related to stress.
[109:30] Murray Sabrin: Stress and so well, we just have to persevere and help each other, especially families, because that's our first support group that we have, and we reach out to friends because they are extremely helpful.
[109:45] Kim Monson: If you have good friends and you just carry on, carry on and never give up, and that that is so important.
[109:52] Kim Monson: And and yeah, resiliency, persevering.
[110:01] Kim Monson: I love it and I assume you can get it at all the different outlets correct.
[110:06] Murray Sabrin: It's in Kindle and paperback edition called From Immigrant to Public Intellectual in an American Story.
[110:12] Murray Sabrin: And the publisher just loved it when it started sending him chapters.
[110:16] Murray Sabrin: He said, this book has to reach a wide audience because it's a quintessential American story coming to America from war- tornEurope and beginning a new life.
[110:25] Murray Sabrin: And I was just an infant, so I have no memory of Europe.
[110:30] Murray Sabrin: They survived World War II, and they taught me the values that I carry on today.
[110:37] Kim Monson: Well, and that is so important for parents to remember as well, to teach our children resiliency.
[110:45] Kim Monson: And there are a lot of forces that are coming at young people today.
[110:50] Kim Monson: And so I have got to think that having you as a professor was just a gift to many of these students.
[111:00] Murray Sabrin: Like I said, I wouldn't change anything in terms of teaching because, to me, I decided to become a teacher when I was a junior in high school and didn't realize that I would be in higher education and I'd be teaching.
[111:12] Murray Sabrin: I was hoping to have a nice career in public education, but I just realized that it was not meant to be.
[111:18] Murray Sabrin: And sometimes you have to do a self- analysisand a self- assessmentand say, is this what I want to do for the rest of my working career?
[111:26] Murray Sabrin: And so I said to my wife, I'd like to really get to the college level, which means getting a Ph.
[111:33] Murray Sabrin: And so I gave up an income in order to do that, and it worked out extremely well.
[111:39] Murray Sabrin: And so I'm grateful, obviously, to my wife for supporting me through all those years that I went to graduate school and didn't have an income.
[111:48] Kim Monson: And now, as you said, you're retired and you're able to travel, and that's just great.
[111:54] Kim Monson: And I wish you and yours a very happy new year.
[112:02] Murray Sabrin: One thing we know about the American people is that they're resilient.
[112:08] Murray Sabrin: And hopefully we'll get some good people there to see the light that the founders gave us.
[112:15] Murray Sabrin: It's called the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the principles that founded this country.
[112:22] Murray Sabrin: And so we will continue, and hopefully one day we will see what the founders' visions of the reality of America.
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[112:44] Kim Monson: My friends who are not alone, God bless you, and God bless America.
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