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[00:41] Kim Monson: Ah, indeed, let's have a conversation.
[00:45] Kim Monson: This is Kim Monson with the Americhicks, and we're going to have some important conversations today.
[00:50] Kim Monson: We'll talk about some headlines in segments one and two, segments three and four.
[00:54] Kim Monson: Rob Nadelson, you know him, he's a nationally known constitutional scholar, senior fellow of constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute here And he's the author of the original Constitution, what it actually said and meant We're going to be asking him some questions about the Supreme Court and some other things that he's written recently So you won't want to miss that But we're going to go ahead and jump in here The first thing though, I want to say happy birthday.
[01:21] Kim Monson: Yesterday was Patty, our fabulous researcher, it was her birthday.
[01:28] Producer Steve: Wow, how many times can she do that?
[01:30] Kim Monson: I don't know, I don't know, but we'll find out.
[01:34] Kim Monson: And with that, thank you for the team.
[01:37] Kim Monson: Thank you to producer Steve, Zach and Keith for keeping this train on the track.
[01:46] Kim Monson: As we are looking at all of these issues out there, the kids are home from school.
[01:51] Kim Monson: You need to be having conversations with the kids.
[01:54] Kim Monson: And remember that socialism is not social.
[02:00] Kim Monson: There's this narrative out there that is romancing socialism.
[02:04] Kim Monson: And you can just say to our kids, you know, we don't see caravans and people trying to sneak across the border to try to get into Cuba or Venezuela.
[02:12] Kim Monson: So something must not work very well with socialism.
[02:14] Kim Monson: But you do see people trying to get into a place where freedom, freedom is the founding principle of America.
[02:22] Kim Monson: And so freedom versus force, force versus freedom.
[02:25] Kim Monson: Socialism is force, and it is never compassionate to take other people's stuff, their property, their rights, or their freedom via force, whether it's with a weapon, policy, or unpredictable and excessive taxation.
[02:39] Kim Monson: but we are seeing via policy a socialization of transportation, education, energy, housing, and water, and these are all the things that make our lives better.
[02:51] Kim Monson: And so we need to be pushing back on that.
[02:53] Kim Monson: And I am going to ask you, Steve, you spent a lot of the weekend down at the Western Conservative Summit.
[02:59] Kim Monson: I didn't get down there until Saturday night, and it was absolutely fabulous.
[03:03] Kim Monson: But I'm going to go through our inspiration and our humor for the morning, and then I want to hear what your takeaway was on that.
[03:09] Kim Monson: And then also, you've written a piece that's on the AmeriChicks website, and we want to talk about that.
[03:15] Kim Monson: But since we'll be talking about the Supreme Court with Rob Nadelson, I thought it was appropriate to pull some quotes and things from Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice.
[03:28] Kim Monson: And in our inspiration, he says, good manners will open doors that the best education cannot.
[03:34] Kim Monson: Again, good manners will open doors that the best education cannot.
[03:38] Kim Monson: And man, oh man, we are getting away from good manners.
[03:41] Kim Monson: I don't think that we're teaching it like we used to in our classrooms.
[03:50] Kim Monson: Actually, good manners are inclusive, if you will, Steve.
[03:55] Producer Steve: It's funny, I think of the very first thing that comes into mind when I hear the name Clarence Thomas is that he practices what he preaches.
[04:04] Producer Steve: He is always, how do you say, he's eloquent, he's quiet, he's not bombastic and in your face like so many in the other branches of government can be.
[04:17] Producer Steve: So when he talks about good manners, that's the way he lives his life.
[04:21] Kim Monson: Well, and one of the ways that you can have good manners is that you actually are continuing to aspire to be the best that you can possibly be.
[04:30] Kim Monson: So, you know, he knows what he's talking about when he's talking about the Constitution.
[04:38] Kim Monson: And so when you read things, that's another thing Patty and I have been talking about regarding legislation.
[04:44] Kim Monson: When we get into conversations with people, you can get real bombastic with each other because you haven't read it.
[04:50] Kim Monson: You don't know what you're talking about.
[04:52] Kim Monson: You hear, you know, what the talking heads say.
[04:54] Kim Monson: You just watch the news clips on the television.
[04:58] Kim Monson: You think that you know what you're talking about, and you don't.
[05:01] Kim Monson: And so it's important to educate yourself to understand what's going on out there.
[05:06] Kim Monson: And when you do, then there can be a quiet confidence as you're having conversations with people.
[05:11] Kim Monson: When I didn't totally read everything, and it takes a lot of time, I knew that there wasn't something that wasn't quite right.
[05:17] Kim Monson: But I couldn't articulate it because I didn't have my brain around the issues.
[05:22] Kim Monson: And so if you understand the issue, then you can have calm, reasonable conversations that are good manners.
[05:33] Kim Monson: Remember, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, good manners will open doors that the best education cannot.
[05:42] Kim Monson: And then for today's funnies, Conan O'Brien.
[05:45] Kim Monson: He said in its last few days before break, the Supreme Court had been arguing about race, immigration, and abortion.
[05:54] Kim Monson: So basically, the Supreme Court had become most people's families at Thanksgiving.
[05:56] Producer Steve: The first time Bill Clinton shut down the government back in the 90s, I experienced that very thing.
[06:06] Producer Steve: Because it was the week of Thanksgiving.
[06:10] Producer Steve: and we're sitting at the table at a family member who worked for the Naval Ordnance Lab outside of, or in D.
[06:17] Producer Steve: C.
[06:18] Producer Steve: He had been sitting around all week because the government was shut down.
[06:22] Producer Steve: And, oh, my gosh, boy, did that open up some.
[06:25] Producer Steve: A robust discussion.
[06:27] Producer Steve: It did.
[06:27] Producer Steve: Yeah.
[06:28] Kim Monson: I've been in some of those Thanksgiving dinners, too, that's for sure.
[06:32] Kim Monson: Once again, if you know what you're talking about, it doesn't get as bombastic and get some of the emotion out of there.
[06:39] Kim Monson: So the Western Conservative Summit.
[06:41] Kim Monson: I want to ask you about that, Steve.
[06:44] Kim Monson: Before we do that, though, you know, on Friday, I got to go up to Wings of Freedom up at the Loveland Airport.
[06:49] Kim Monson: My good friend Brad Hoops has written this fabulous book, Reflections of Our Gentle Warriors.
[06:55] Kim Monson: It's 70 different stories, little vignettes of 70 different World War II veterans, half of them in the European theater, half of them in the Pacific theater.
[07:07] Kim Monson: And so Brad has interviewed over 350 veterans- excuse me, 350 World War II veterans.
[07:13] Kim Monson: Many of them passed on now, but it's a fabulous book, and so he connected me with this: Wings of Freedom and Janelle J.
[07:21] Kim Monson: She dresses up as Rosie the Riveter and she is the organizer of this, and she has such a heart for our World War II veterans.
[07:28] Kim Monson: On Saturday morning, Steve, there were 26 World War II veterans.
[07:33] Kim Monson: They took a fabulous picture in front of one of the bombers, and it was just really very heartwarming to see these guys out there.
[07:40] Kim Monson: But Wings of Freedom brought in a B- 17,a B- 24,and a B- 25bomber, and a P- 51,and a P- 40,you know, the little fighter planes.
[07:55] Kim Monson: And so on Friday afternoon, we thought we'd go out at 2.
[08:00] Kim Monson: It wasn't until probably six because there was weather.
[08:02] Kim Monson: But I got to take a ride on the B- 25,and it gave me a new appreciation for what these young men did.
[08:11] Kim Monson: You know, I have sat across the desk and interviewed pilots.
[08:15] Kim Monson: In fact, just this last week, the World War II story was Hansel Lee.
[08:20] Kim Monson: He was a pilot on a B- 24,I think it is.
[08:24] Kim Monson: And I did not really appreciate what these guys did.
[08:28] Kim Monson: These planes were built for young men, 17, 18, 19 years old.
[08:32] Kim Monson: And you have to be pretty nimble to get through those.
[08:36] Kim Monson: You could actually go through the bombers for free.
[08:38] Kim Monson: For a price, you could have a ride on it.
[08:40] Kim Monson: So anyway, I got to go on the meteor ride on a B- 25.
[08:44] Kim Monson: And that's what Jimmy Doolittle, the Doolittle Raiders, flew as they did that bombing mission over Tokyo shortly after Pearl Harbor had been bombed.
[08:55] Kim Monson: And that was a really big deal, because it gave the Americans heart and because we were shocked that we'd actually been bombed on American soil.
[09:04] Kim Monson: And so it was, I think, about four months after Pearl Harbor, these guys had decided that they were going to do a bombing raid on Tokyo.
[09:14] Kim Monson: And I've actually interviewed Jimmy Doolittle's granddaughter.
[09:17] Kim Monson: And she said it was very scientific.
[09:20] Kim Monson: They really planned everything out.
[09:23] Kim Monson: The problem was, and they'd really never taken bombers off of aircraft carriers before.
[09:27] Kim Monson: And she said the problem was is that a fishing trawler saw them about 200 miles prior to they wanted to take off.
[09:36] Kim Monson: And so they decided to take off early.
[09:38] Kim Monson: And they did accomplish their mission to bomb Tokyo.
[09:41] Kim Monson: But then they started to be running out of fuel.
[09:44] Kim Monson: And they were trying to get to China.
[09:47] Kim Monson: But riding that B- 25,there's not a lot between you and the sky.
[09:51] Kim Monson: There's just a little bit of metal.
[09:53] Kim Monson: And when they took the window out, I was going to try to get myself to the back of the plane.
[09:59] Kim Monson: But I'm pretty good with heights as long as there's something between me and not the air.
[10:05] Kim Monson: But as I walked by that window and the air was coming in, I'm like, this is interesting.
[10:12] Kim Monson: And so I just went back and sat down on my bench seat and put my seatbelt on.
[10:14] Kim Monson: I know that that seems like a little bit of a baby, but next time I'll make it to the end of the plane if I do that.
[10:21] Producer Steve: And the gentleman who won the drawing, what was his perception?
[10:25] Kim Monson: John Medford, Denver police officer, he actually got to go up to Casper and fly back.
[10:32] Kim Monson: And I saw some of the pictures on his Facebook.
[10:38] Kim Monson: It was just, I think, an experience of a lifetime.
[10:44] Kim Monson: Steve, we're going to go to break in a little bit, but let's start this off.
[10:48] Kim Monson: The Western Conservative Summit was this last weekend, and you spent some time down there.
[10:55] Kim Monson: There were so many amazing speakers.
[10:57] Kim Monson: You know, we were with some friends last night, and they were talking about how inspiring it was.
[11:01] Kim Monson: What would you say is one of your big takeaways?
[11:03] Producer Steve: Well, I guess me just set the stage a little bit.
[11:06] Producer Steve: My role down there was to help KLZ broadcast three hours live.
[11:11] Producer Steve: Well, actually, we did much more than that once Rush to Reason got on.
[11:15] Producer Steve: So I was over in the exhibit hall where we were broadcasting.
[11:18] Producer Steve: I didn't get to go over on the other side where the speakers were, but every time I had the chance to walk past the monitor and watch and see the people milling around the monitors, everybody wanted to absorb as much as they could, no matter whether they were in the hall itself or over on the other side just looking at the monitors.
[11:40] Producer Steve: But it's definitely a very cool atmosphere to take in because it's so different from the rest of what's going on in downtown Denver and the way people look, the way they act, the way they dress.
[11:53] Producer Steve: Just a neat thing to see.
[11:56] Producer Steve: It really was.
[11:57] Kim Monson: And like I said, I didn't get up there until Saturday night because I was doing this Wings of Freedom thing.
[12:04] Kim Monson: But the speakers on Saturday night were just amazing.
[12:09] Kim Monson: And then actually somebody had shown me the recording on the video of Brigitte Gabriel.
[12:17] Kim Monson: We've had her on the show several times.
[12:20] Kim Monson: And she was just really powerful about how important it is that we maintain our sovereignty.
[12:26] Kim Monson: And then Michelle Malkin spoke on Saturday night, and she brought something up about what has happened regarding out at the Aurora Ice Detention Center.
[12:37] Kim Monson: And so we're going to want to talk about that in the next break, because it's absolutely astonishing.
[12:43] Kim Monson: While the Western Conservative Summit was going on downtown, out at this detention center, there were people that actually took down the American flag.
[12:54] Kim Monson: They ran it up the pole upside down.
[12:56] Kim Monson: And then on the other pole, they ran up the Mexican flag.
[13:01] Kim Monson: And that is absolutely astounding that that could happen right here in America.
[13:07] Kim Monson: Before we do that, though, the Rockies finally, they started to get some wins again.
[13:11] Kim Monson: They took two out of three from the Cincinnati Reds over the weekend.
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[15:18] Kim Monson: Hey, welcome back to the AmeriChicks with Kim Monson, where we dissect issues as right versus wrong instead of right versus left, agree or disagree.
[15:32] Kim Monson: And, Steve, we need to have a conversation about what happened out in Aurora.
[15:39] Kim Monson: It says, raising of the Mexican flag during the Colorado ice protest sparks outrage from rally organizers.
[15:45] Kim Monson: It's not what organizers of the Lights for Liberty vigil wanted to see.
[15:48] Kim Monson: During a protest in front of the Aurora ice detention facility Friday, a small group from around 2, 000protesters pulled down the American flag and raised the Mexican flag, and an upside- downAmerican flag with an anti- policeslogan spray- paintedon it.
[16:03] Kim Monson: Now, I'm a bit devastated, Christian Solana Cordova of the Colorado Immigration Rights Coalition said, I'm let down by these people who basically took the mic away from our community leaders so that they could pose for a selfie, essentially to show off on Instagram just how woke they are.
[16:16] Kim Monson: Friday's rally at the privately- runfacility, which contracts with U.
[16:21] Kim Monson: Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE, was in response to the potential ICE raids this weekend in Denver and the treatment of immigrants at detention camps around the country.
[16:26] Kim Monson: It was revolting, 18th District Attorney George Brockler said.
[16:28] Kim Monson: Brockler is among those who saw what happened on social media Saturday morning and wants to see the people.
[16:41] Kim Monson: It's not freedom of speech to trespass on land, Brockler said, and it's not freedom of speech to take down an American flag or Colorado flag that you don't own.
[16:51] Kim Monson: Lawlessness is not freedom of speech.
[16:53] Kim Monson: And Colorado's governor responded on social media as well condemning the acts but continued his disapproval of the raids.
[17:00] Kim Monson: Then the Washington Times said the patriotic Americans donated US flags after protesters raised the Mexican flag over the ICE facility.
[17:09] Kim Monson: And for those who fear the ICE facility in Colorado may be running short on American flags after Friday's protest, not to worry.
[17:17] Kim Monson: Representative Chip Roy, Texas Republican and Good Samaritans, have been bringing gifts of U.
[17:21] Kim Monson: flags to the facility in Aurora, something he learned during his Saturday night tour of the detention center.
[17:27] Kim Monson: Roy, who came to Colorado for the two-day Western Conservative Summit, thanked the numerous patriotic Americans who took it upon themselves to provide replacements after activists pulled down and then attempted to burn the stars and stripes, which he called completely unacceptable.
[17:41] Kim Monson: It's unconscionable, but you know what?
[17:44] Kim Monson: Roy, in remarks to the Western Conservative Summit at the Colorado Convention Center, said there are patriots who brought flags to that facility, and that is the right thing to do.
[17:52] Kim Monson: Now, he had gone through the facility, and he said that it is a very clean facility.
[17:57] Kim Monson: People are getting three square meals.
[17:59] Kim Monson: There's video games, iPads with news sources, TVs, gyms.
[18:08] Kim Monson: How do we have 57 countries of people that have come across the southern border, Steve?
[18:16] Kim Monson: 29%are from Mexico, 11% fromaround the India region, Africa, Asia.
[18:23] Kim Monson: So that means that they came across the big blue ocean.
[18:25] Kim Monson: They arrived someplace south of the border, and then they illegally came into the country.
[18:32] Kim Monson: And as on the video of Brigitte Gabriel, she said her family came in legally.
[18:39] Kim Monson: It is not fair that people come in illegally, and they have what Chip Roy saw, that in fact, you know, three square meals a day, you know, sitting around with iPads, TVs and all, There's something that is wrong with this picture.
[18:56] Kim Monson: But the other thing I wanted to mention regarding this Lights of Liberty, Michelle Malkin had said that she had figured out that LIRS, which is the Lutheran Immigration and Refuge Service, that they were a sponsor of this Lights of Liberty.
[19:16] Kim Monson: And so I came home and I'm like, I wonder, I wonder, I wonder how she found that out.
[19:21] Kim Monson: And so I found the link to Lights for Liberty.
[19:23] Kim Monson: and it is six pages of a whole bunch of different organizations that are basically it's for open borders so they have hosts and they have sponsors so the hosts are the biggies and just very quickly i wanted to to let you know who they are okay new sanctuary coalition border network for human rights coalition to end child detention el paso las americas immigrant advocacy center the aclu of texas the hope border institute casa the fair immigration reform movement the florida immigrant coalition we count american friends service committee homestead new york immigration coalition American Friends Service Committee, New Jersey, Witness Homestead, the Women's March in Florida, Casa Ruby, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, Generation Progress, the Coalition to Close the Concentration Camps, San Diego, and St.
[20:29] Kim Monson: Andrew United Church of Christ in Sarasota, Florida.
[20:34] Kim Monson: then there is, Steve, as you can see, there is five pages, five or six pages.
[20:39] Kim Monson: And throughout that you will see there's socialists, there's just people that I think what we need to look at here is this movement.
[20:53] Kim Monson: Even though in this news article the organizer of Lights for Liberty says that they were dismayed about what happened.
[21:00] Kim Monson: They didn't stop it, and they are aggressively out there working to open our borders.
[21:05] Kim Monson: And what is evident, what's happened is they're probably disappointed that the veil is off.
[21:11] Kim Monson: These people don't like America, and they are here actually to destroy America.
[21:19] Kim Monson: Now, I served on the board of Lutheran Family Services for six years.
[21:27] Kim Monson: and I got onto the board because I loved one of the things that they did was adoption services.
[21:31] Kim Monson: That's really how Lutheran Family Services got into a business, is they helped young women who were pregnant adopt their babies out.
[21:42] Kim Monson: And I really loved that about them.
[21:44] Kim Monson: And then also they started to bring in, they had a refugee program.
[21:50] Kim Monson: And in my mind, that made a lot of sense as well.
[21:53] Kim Monson: I remember the stories of the people after World War II that they came to America because they wanted a new life.
[21:59] Kim Monson: And they didn't come in and get a whole bunch of assistance.
[22:02] Kim Monson: A friend of mine had given me a book about a young family that had come here, a young couple.
[22:07] Kim Monson: And basically they were sponsored, I think, by a church.
[22:14] Kim Monson: And they received rent for two months.
[22:20] Kim Monson: And they went out and they created a business and they lived the American dream.
[22:23] Kim Monson: So that's what I thought was happening with Lutheran Family Services.
[22:29] Kim Monson: And then I started to see that there was more and more push over here to refugee resettlement.
[22:35] Kim Monson: And at the time, again, I'm thinking we're bringing Christians in that are being prejudiced against throughout the world.
[22:48] Kim Monson: But then I started to realize, wait a minute, we're getting government grants to do this.
[22:53] Kim Monson: And because we were getting government grants, we could no longer talk about the gospel of Christ.
[22:59] Kim Monson: And so I was very dismayed about that.
[23:02] Kim Monson: And then I realized we couldn't really talk about the American idea.
[23:05] Kim Monson: And then I started to follow the money.
[23:09] Kim Monson: And out of, I think out of like a$ 14 million budget,$ 12 million was coming from government grants.
[23:15] Kim Monson: and then I started to look at the salaries.
[23:18] Kim Monson: The top guy there was making, I think when I left, he was making around$ 165, 000 plusbenefits, plus a car, and all of a sudden I'm like, wait a minute, this isn't matching up.
[23:33] Kim Monson: And then I come to find out that they were bringing people in and we were paying people salaries then to help these refugees navigate through the system, whereas we were putting them, they were getting cash assistance, they were getting rent assistance, they were getting Medicaid.
[23:55] Kim Monson: And I'm thinking there's something wrong with this picture.
[23:59] Kim Monson: And now we fast forward it to now, and we realize we brought all these people in.
[24:04] Kim Monson: They don't understand the American idea.
[24:06] Kim Monson: Many times at these ceremonies where people are becoming U.
[24:12] Kim Monson: Democrats are right outside the door.
[24:15] Kim Monson: They are registering people to vote.
[24:17] Kim Monson: And once people register with a party, they many times don't pay attention to the candidates.
[24:22] Kim Monson: And so it's just been, I think, a way to bring people in that are going to vote Democrat.
[24:32] Kim Monson: And I'm just really, really dismayed about what has happened there.
[24:34] Kim Monson: But now what we've seen, we saw on Friday, the veil is off.
[24:38] Kim Monson: These are people that don't like America.
[24:41] Kim Monson: And to desecrate the flag when there are so many generations that have shed blood and treasure so that we can have freedom, to have these people go onto private property and desecrate that, and they weren't arrested.
[24:58] Kim Monson: I hope George Brockler can figure out how that they can file charges against these people, but that should not have been able to happen right here in Colorado.
[25:07] Kim Monson: and the governor said he was dismayed about what happened, but you can say one thing.
[25:14] Kim Monson: There needs to be some action on this, Steve.
[25:16] Producer Steve: It's disheartening, and it's demoralizing, and maybe that's a lot of their motivation to carry on like this, to basically just make us all turn away in disgust.
[25:29] Producer Steve: But how to push back.
[25:32] Producer Steve: So good luck to George Brockler.
[25:34] Kim Monson: Yeah, and just a couple of things, And then we've got Jason McBride on the line.
[25:38] Kim Monson: But first of all, we can no longer be using our tax dollars to pay, quote, unquote, nonprofits, these big government contracts to basically undermine our country.
[25:51] Kim Monson: The other thing is, is Francoise Bergen is on the Aurora City Council.
[25:57] Kim Monson: And she has, she's up for reelection this year.
[26:05] Kim Monson: and she has done an amazing job as an Aurora City Councilwoman.
[26:07] Kim Monson: And I would highly encourage each of you today to go to her website and contribute anywhere, a cup of coffee, five bucks, a couple of cups of coffee.
[26:17] Kim Monson: Well, I guess that's if you go to Starbucks.
[26:19] Kim Monson: If you go to McDonald's, then it'll be five cups of coffee.
[26:24] Kim Monson: But go ahead and go to her website and contribute because she is in a big, big race this November and she could use your help.
[26:31] Kim Monson: and also walking neighborhoods and getting out and talking to people.
[26:43] Kim Monson: And you were down at the Western Conservative Summit.
[26:45] Jason McBride: Yep, I was a faithful attendee for almost all of both days.
[26:57] Jason McBride: The news, they seemed to want to grab me, I think, because I was wearing my Trump hat, my Trump socks.
[27:07] Kim Monson: And what's amazing is you were just very reasonable as you didn't, you said, I mean, you didn't give them any of the sound bites that they were really hoping for.
[27:20] Kim Monson: Yes, because you were very nice and respectful like all of us deplorables are.
[27:24] Kim Monson: But, hey, Jason, you talk about people's personal economy.
[27:28] Kim Monson: I mean, that's what really matters.
[27:29] Kim Monson: And you have sent me some really interesting information on Social Security, and you believe it's far more important than many folks realize.
[27:41] Jason McBride: I heard someone at some meeting the other day, and I can't remember exactly where, but they made the comment, excuse me, If they'd just been able to take all the money that they put into Social Security over the years and invest it on my own, I'd be so much better off.
[27:59] Jason McBride: But I got to wonder, really, if that's the case, Kim.
[28:02] Kim Monson: So how hard is it to match what Social Security is offering?
[28:08] Jason McBride: I'll go through these numbers as quick as I can.
[28:11] Jason McBride: But, you know, let's take a worker who contributed to Social Security for 40 years.
[28:18] Jason McBride: let's say they hit the maximum earnings every year, which, by the way, the person that hits the maximum every year, Kim, and contributes actually gets the worst deal on the back end.
[28:33] Jason McBride: So if that person collected their benefit now, the maximum benefit is about$ 2, 861 amonth.
[28:47] Jason McBride: It may be beyond your life if you have a spouse, and it also has some type of cost of living adjustment in almost every year.
[28:57] Jason McBride: So, I mean, right away, that's pretty tough to match.
[29:02] Kim Monson: And so it seems like this is a pretty high number for people to try to achieve.
[29:08] Jason McBride: And I ran the numbers, and again, if a person would have just taken 6.
[29:13] Jason McBride: 2% oftheirmoney for 40 years and put it in, the same as Social Security, they would have invested a total of about$ 177, 000 over a40- year period.
[29:28] Jason McBride: And,Kim, it's always kind of been a rough number that you could withdraw 4% of whatever you'vebuilt up for your nest egg the first year and then kind of keep that pace and be safe to not run out of money.
[29:45] Jason McBride: But to match that$ 34, 000, you'd have tobuild that$ 177, 000 up to about$858, 000.
[29:53] Jason McBride: And to dothat, you'd have to achieve about an 8.
[30:04] Kim Monson: And the other thing about it, though, is with Social Security, it's not only that people put in that 6.
[30:10] Kim Monson: 5%, But then the employerhas to match that as well.
[30:15] Kim Monson: And so I know you do a great job figuring out the best social security strategy for people, and you can put together a solid plan, and you're happy to sit down with people and talk about that.
[30:28] Jason McBride: And I think that calculating your best, most solid social security strategy is very, very important.
[30:35] Jason McBride: I mean, it's not always just take it at 62 or 66 or wait until 70.
[30:42] Jason McBride: It depends on each individual person or household or couple.
[30:57] Jason McBride: and figuring out the best time to kind of turn on these different spigots of income, which I like to call them, can really, really be important.
[31:09] Jason McBride: I would say: don't be thinking that you've got ripped off over the years and you could have done way better on your own, because I think it's a tall order to match what they offer.
[31:24] Kim Monson: So to put together your strategy regarding your personal economy, Jason, I know that you and all your colleagues at Presidential Wealth Management are happy to sit down with people.
[31:34] Kim Monson: And they can get more information at chickspresidential.
[31:46] Kim Monson: When we come back, we'll be talking with Rob Nadelson.
[31:47] Kim Monson: He served as a law professor for over 25 years.
[31:50] Kim Monson: He's nationally known as a constitutional scholar.
[31:52] Kim Monson: And there are several things I'd like to talk with him about.
[31:58] Kim Monson: He had recently done a piece regarding do we have a conservative Supreme Court.
[32:00] Kim Monson: And then he also had mentioned something about 206 corporations to boycott.
[32:04] Kim Monson: So we're going to have an amazing conversation with Rob Nadelson.
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[33:20] Kim Monson: Back to the Americhicks with Kim Monson, where we dissect issues as right versus wrong instead of right versus left.
[33:27] Kim Monson: Thrilled to have on the line with me Rob Nadelson.
[33:30] Kim Monson: He is a nationally known constitutional scholar and written a really important book, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant.
[33:39] Kim Monson: And so he is the go-to guy whenever we have questions regarding the Constitution, the Supreme Court.
[33:44] Kim Monson: Rob Nadelson, welcome to the Americhicks.
[33:51] Kim Monson: It's always great to have you on, And you are busy.
[33:54] Kim Monson: I don't know what goes on in your brain, In your pen.
[33:58] Kim Monson: You come out with such important pieces.
[34:02] Kim Monson: It takes me a long time to write things And it seems like you.
[34:05] Kim Monson: It seems easy That you write these.
[34:08] Kim Monson: Is it easy or does it take a lot of time?
[34:11] Rob Natelson: Well, it demonstrates That if you do something long enough, even the person with the most mediocre abilities can accomplish something.
[34:24] Rob Natelson: You know, I've been writing for news outlets now, I hate to say this, but about 55 years I've been writing for news outlets.
[34:36] Rob Natelson: I started as a teenager, and my first job out of, I wasn't even out of school, was as a stringer.
[34:43] Rob Natelson: And so I eventually picked up the ability to do it.
[34:48] Rob Natelson: A stringer is someone who is not a permanent, is not a regular salaried employee of a newspaper, but is out there in the community and writes stories about what's going on in the community for the newspaper.
[35:07] Rob Natelson: And over the years, I've developed a way to put out op-eds fairly quickly, more quickly, I think, than most people can do.
[35:17] Rob Natelson: But that overlooks the fact that for the week before I'm writing, I write a daily caller op-ed every week, and I write a column, an essay, a longer essay for the Epoch Times every month.
[35:28] Rob Natelson: And the actual time sitting down writing it doesn't reflect the fact that for days before the column is due, I'm obsessing over it and doing research and so forth.
[35:39] Rob Natelson: So the actual writing may not be too time-consuming, but the rest of it is.
[35:48] Kim Monson: Another place where people can find your pieces is at the Complete Colorado.
[35:53] Kim Monson: And Complete Colorado is an excellent news source.
[35:56] Kim Monson: They aggregate stories from all over the state, so it keeps you apprised of what's going on.
[36:01] Kim Monson: But the other thing is, is if you click on the banner at the top, they have original pieces.
[36:06] Kim Monson: And I wanted to ask you about your piece, first of all, from July 2nd.
[36:10] Kim Monson: You said, no, we do not have a conservative Supreme Court, you know, with the whole Kavanaugh, you know, fireworks, you know, getting him confirmed.
[36:19] Kim Monson: People kind of went, we have a conservative court.
[36:22] Kim Monson: So talk to us about that, Rob Niedelsen.
[36:24] Rob Natelson: Well, this actually appeared first in the Daily Caller and Complete Colorado, with my consent, agreed to reprint it.
[36:33] Rob Natelson: Back in November, when the current– let me back up just a little bit more.
[36:37] Rob Natelson: Supreme Court terms run from the beginning of October to the end of June.
[36:42] Rob Natelson: So the term that's just over is actually called the October 2018 term, even though it extended mostly into 2019.
[36:51] Rob Natelson: And early in the October 2018 term, I said, look, when the decisions start coming down from this court, you're going to be seeing that this claim that we have a conservative Supreme Court is simply inaccurate.
[37:06] Rob Natelson: The New York Times is a great promoter or has been a great promoter of that line.
[37:14] Rob Natelson: Well, when the term was over, I wrote this column you're referring to, going through case after case after case after case, demonstrating that at best what we have is a centrist Supreme Court, that for every so- calledconservative victory, there was a liberal victory.
[37:36] Rob Natelson: I mean, people say the conservatives like to blame Justice Roberts for flipping to the liberal side sometimes.
[37:42] Rob Natelson: Gorsuch, who has become one of the more originalist members of the court, flipped to the liberal side on several occasions.
[37:49] Rob Natelson: And so the court is certainly not a conservative Supreme Court.
[37:55] Rob Natelson: I was disappointed to see today that NPR, though, National Public Radio, is still pushing this conservative Supreme Court line, and it is really unethical, I think, for them to do it.
[38:09] Rob Natelson: Both the liberal media and conservative politicians have interests in talking about a conservative Supreme Court because the liberal media will say, oh, you know, this is why we've got to change the court.
[38:21] Rob Natelson: And conservative politicians will say, well, you know, this is why you have to elect conservative presidents because you get a conservative Supreme Court.
[38:28] Rob Natelson: We don't have a conservative Supreme Court.
[38:33] Kim Monson: Well, and when we're talking about the reelection of Donald Trump and, of course, all the fervor about trying to not get him reelected, I think one of the things that people realize that are really thinking about it is this next president is probably going to get another one, possibly two Supreme Court picks.
[38:55] Kim Monson: and that's a pretty big deal, isn't it, Rob?
[39:04] Rob Natelson: In 2016, a lot of people said, I don't much care for Donald Trump, but I'm going to vote for him for one reason, for the Supreme Court.
[39:12] Rob Natelson: In the wider range of things, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference.
[39:18] Rob Natelson: In fact, it may actually be counterproductive because, well, let's take, for example, the Convention of States movement.
[39:26] Rob Natelson: When President Obama was in office, there was a strong momentum toward the Convention of States movement, which would give us a permanent reform, a permanent return to constitutionality.
[39:41] Rob Natelson: When Donald Trump gets elected and he gets a few Supreme Court appointments, then people kind of let up on that.
[39:49] Rob Natelson: Momentum has continued, but not with the same strength.
[39:51] Rob Natelson: They tend to assume that the problems have been solved because we've elected a conservative president, but that's clearly not true.
[40:00] Rob Natelson: The federal debt, for example, is one thing that is looming over us that the president has done nothing to deal with.
[40:05] Rob Natelson: I'm not saying that one should ignore the Supreme Court.
[40:10] Rob Natelson: I think it's a factor to consider when you're deciding on a presidential candidate, but it should never be your primary factor.
[40:17] Rob Natelson: There's another aspect to this too, and I touch on to the column.
[40:20] Rob Natelson: Republican presidents actually have horrible records as far as trying to appoint justices that they describe as originalists, people who believe in enforcing the original constitution, or they'll sometimes use the phrase strict constructionists or conservatives.
[40:37] Rob Natelson: Republican presidents, by and large, have not succeeded with that.
[40:41] Rob Natelson: Over the last 50 years, there have been 19 Supreme Court appointments by Republicans and only eight by Democrats.
[40:49] Rob Natelson: And yet, you've still got four firm liberals on the court and five other people who are sort of kind of all over the map.
[40:59] Rob Natelson: As a result of that 50 years of predominantly Republican appointees, we have only one, one justice on the court who is a consistent originalist, a consistent advocate of applying the Constitution as it was supposed to be applied.
[41:16] Rob Natelson: So over the long haul, I'm not sure it makes much difference.
[41:20] Rob Natelson: Many Republican nominees have not only become centrists like Justice Roberts, they flipped over and become hard to the left, like John Paul Stevens, for example, wants to abolish the Second Amendment, or David Souter, or Earl Warren, or William Brennan, and the list goes on and on.
[41:42] Rob Natelson: So what I'm saying, Kim, is it's a factor to take into consideration, but the Supreme Court appointments are not as important as both Republicans and Democrats tell you they are.
[41:55] Kim Monson: And the originalist is Clarence Thomas, yes?
[42:00] Rob Natelson: And I will say that Neil Gorsuch has some tendencies in that direction.
[42:05] Rob Natelson: I think he's turning out to be a good justice.
[42:08] Rob Natelson: You know, originalism, having a judge who's originalist or having a judge who's a principal judge doesn't necessarily mean that he or she is going to reach conservative results.
[42:21] Rob Natelson: And in the case of Justice Gorsuch, he flipped to the liberal side, and I think justifiably, in two cases involving Indian treaties because he conscientiously applied the original meaning of those treaties.
[42:37] Kim Monson: Well, hey, Rob Nadel, let's go to break.
[42:38] Kim Monson: This has been fascinating regarding the Supreme Court.
[42:40] Kim Monson: But you have another piece, let's see, from the Daily Caller regarding here are 206 corporations to boycott.
[42:51] Kim Monson: We'll be right back with Rob Nadelson.
[42:53] Kim Monson: And we'll find out who's to boycott.
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[44:29] Kim Monson: Hey, welcome back to The Americhicks with Kim Monson, where we dissect issues as right versus wrong instead of right versus left.
[44:38] Kim Monson: Agree or disagree, let's have a conversation.
[44:40] Kim Monson: Thrilled to be having a conversation with Rob Nadelson.
[44:48] Kim Monson: He was a law professor for 25 years.
[44:51] Kim Monson: He is a nationally known constitutional scholar.
[44:53] Kim Monson: He is the senior fellow in constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute, and he is the author of a very important book, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant.
[45:04] Kim Monson: And before we continue the conversation, I just want to give a shout- outto Complete Colorado.
[45:11] Kim Monson: Complete Colorado is the news source that you need to check out every day.
[45:15] Kim Monson: They actually update their news stories three times a day, so it is very, very quick, very relevant about what's going on.
[45:22] Kim Monson: But they aggregate stories from all over the state so that you know what's going on throughout the state.
[45:29] Kim Monson: And then additionally, they have, if you click on the banner at the very top, it'll take you to some of the original opinion pieces.
[45:37] Kim Monson: And, Rob, you typically have something on there on a pretty regular basis.
[45:41] Kim Monson: And there is one that I wanted to mention, and that is Carl Honecker had done this really important piece about these early childhood taxing districts that they're talking about being able to pass at local government.
[45:54] Kim Monson: And he has this piece in Complete Colorado.
[45:57] Kim Monson: It says early childhood taxing districts are just subsidized daycare by another name.
[46:01] Kim Monson: So I think it's important that you get your brain around this particular issue because with Governor Polis wanting to have full- daykindergarten and daycare, we need to understand that issue.
[46:13] Kim Monson: And as I mentioned, you need to get your brain around these issues.
[46:15] Kim Monson: So go to Complete Colorado and check that out.
[46:18] Kim Monson: But Rob Nadelson, you have just done a piece.
[46:20] Kim Monson: Here are 206 corporations to boycott.
[46:22] Kim Monson: You started off with my business has been a good customer of Best Buy, and me too, I should mention, the giant technology and appliance retailer for quite a few years.
[46:33] Kim Monson: But we will no longer be dealing with that company.
[46:37] Rob Natelson: Well, first, let me second what you have to say about Complete Colorado.
[46:41] Rob Natelson: I mean, as the Denver Post continues its tailspin into leftist oblivion, Complete Colorado is becoming the best go- tosource for Colorado news.
[46:59] Rob Natelson: There's another website called The Daily Caller.
[47:05] Rob Natelson: And the column you're referring to is not quite out yet.
[47:09] Rob Natelson: But listeners to your show are getting an advanced look at it.
[47:18] Rob Natelson: I have a consulting business and almost every computer we have, almost every peripheral we have is purchased from Best Buy.
[47:30] Rob Natelson: I've done a great deal of business with Best Buy.
[47:32] Rob Natelson: Then I discover that that company has filed, or is one of 206 that have filed a friend of the court brief in a Supreme Court case called Bostock v.
[47:46] Rob Natelson: Clayton County is that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that its prohibition against discrimination based on sex should be expanded from male- femaleto homosexual conduct to transgender conduct and so forth.
[48:11] Rob Natelson: Now, I don't take a position in my article as to whether the 64 Civil Rights Act should be expanded, but if it should be expanded, it should be done by Congress.
[48:22] Rob Natelson: I mean that is the agency, the democratic agency that the people have for passing laws.
[48:28] Rob Natelson: You don't change the meaning of a law by judicial fiat, and yet that is what Best Buy and these other 205 companies are asking the court to do.
[48:59] Rob Natelson: It is absolutely certain, absolutely clear by all measures of evidence that when Congress passed the 64 Civil Rights Act, when they banned discrimination because of sex, they were not talking about transgender conduct or homosexual conduct.
[49:01] Rob Natelson: They were talking about essentially giving equal rights to women.
[49:04] Rob Natelson: And um, and it is a very old tradition in our system.
[49:13] Rob Natelson: It's been around for hundreds of years that when the legislature, the people's agents- passes a law, you interpret the law according to how the people's representatives wanted it to be interpreted.
[49:27] Rob Natelson: That's not democracy, that's oligarchy, and- and that's not the rule of law.
[49:40] Rob Natelson: And these other 205 companies are asking the supreme court to do well and rob.
[49:49] Kim Monson: Back in 1964 was a different time than where we are now in america and when you take out.
[50:00] Kim Monson: and identify people as in a group, and then you give that group certain rights, I think that once you start to give people special rights, then you no longer have equal rights.
[50:18] Rob Natelson: Yeah, that has become a problem with our civil rights laws.
[50:21] Rob Natelson: Look, there is something in this country called freedom of association.
[50:26] Rob Natelson: It's actually protected by the First Amendment.
[50:28] Rob Natelson: The term association is not used by the First Amendment, but it's understood to be incidental to our right to petition, to our right to free speech, and so forth.
[50:37] Rob Natelson: Freedom of association is a First Amendment right.
[50:40] Rob Natelson: Now, that means that that includes the right to do business with whomever you want and associate with whomever you want.
[50:49] Rob Natelson: In 1964, Congress made the decision to limit that freedom, and I think for some good reasons.
[50:55] Rob Natelson: There had been a history of what's called invidious discrimination against certain groups in our country.
[51:02] Rob Natelson: And so Congress passed this narrowly targeted law prohibiting or limiting freedom of association, limiting the ability to discriminate on the basis of race or color, national origin, or sex, male, female.
[51:18] Rob Natelson: But it still represents an exception to the wider freedom of freedom of association.
[51:24] Rob Natelson: Now what's happened is that the states in particular have been– they started with fairly narrow civil rights laws, and they've been expanding them again and again and again.
[51:35] Rob Natelson: And every time they expand them, they constrict individual freedom, and they also run into problems like the Masterpiece Cake case where these statutes start to interfere with religious freedom.
[51:47] Rob Natelson: But in the article I've written for The Daily Caller, I focus on a different problem, and that is you've got these 206 companies actually asking the court to disregard two fundamental principles of American government.
[52:07] Rob Natelson: One is that when the people's representatives pass a statute, the statute is interpreted according to the desire and the intent of the people's representatives.
[52:14] Rob Natelson: And the second fundamental, and that's the part of the rule of law, and the second fundamental provision or principle of America is democracy.
[52:28] Rob Natelson: If it comes time to change the law, then what these companies need to do is they need to ask Congress to do it, not the Supreme Court to do it.
[52:39] Rob Natelson: And I end the column by saying, you know, what are they going to ask next, that the Supreme Court just declare that we're a monarchy?
[52:46] Rob Natelson: I mean, that's the kind of attack on our American constitutional system that these companies are engaged in.
[52:53] Rob Natelson: It also includes companies like Apple, American Express, AT& T,Domino's, Lyft, Citigroup, another company I do business with, Wells Fargo.
[53:03] Rob Natelson: They're not going to be doing business with me for very long.
[53:06] Rob Natelson: And Americans need to be aware when companies like this try to subvert fundamental American liberties and American rights.
[53:14] Kim Monson: Boy, we're going to be just about out of time.
[53:18] Kim Monson: But what on earth is happening in corporate America?
[53:22] Kim Monson: I'm looking at this list that there's a link in your article.
[53:25] Kim Monson: And they're supposed to be in the business of doing business.
[53:29] Kim Monson: And what has happened at these businesses that they're over here trying to make this happen?
[53:37] Rob Natelson: Well, of course, they're arguing that if we have a law that requires people to hire people who engage in homosexual or transgender practices, that that's going to be good for business.
[54:06] Rob Natelson: It may be good for their businesses, because they're all very big companies and they can afford the compliance costs.
[53:57] Rob Natelson: And one effect will be to put their smaller competitors at a disadvantage, because their smaller competitors may not be able to afford the compliance costs.
[54:08] Rob Natelson: Because it's not just technically complying with the law.
[54:12] Rob Natelson: They're going to have to have training for employees.
[54:15] Rob Natelson: They're going to have to deal with lawsuits and so forth.
[54:17] Rob Natelson: And I can see a company like, here's another one, Amazon on the list.
[54:20] Rob Natelson: I can see a company like Amazon saying, great, this will put out some of our smaller competitors out of business.
[54:26] Rob Natelson: So part of it's probably just corporate greed.
[54:29] Rob Natelson: There also is, as you know, a well- organizedblackmail machine on the left in this country.
[54:36] Rob Natelson: And who knows what kind of pressure they put on these companies.
[54:42] Kim Monson: You know, that's one of the things is big government and big business like each other because of just what you said.
[54:48] Kim Monson: They can put in laws that the small mom- and-shopguy, they have to comply with.
[54:55] Kim Monson: And so before they can even, the small mom- and-popshop, before they can even get their business going, they have all of these costs to try to get into business.
[55:02] Kim Monson: And it's slamming the door on the American dream.
[55:06] Kim Monson: And I'm going to say shame on all of these companies that are on this list.
[55:11] Rob Natelson: This is one of the reasons why the states that tend to be dominated by the progressive left, like California, New York, New Jersey, and so forth, one of the reasons why they actually have the greatest levels of inequality in the country.
[55:26] Rob Natelson: When the left complains about inequality, we need to remember that the states that they control are the ones that have the greatest inequality, in part because of the regulations they pass that squeeze out the little guy.
[55:40] Kim Monson: You know, and Rob Nadelson, I think that you gave me this quote.
[55:43] Kim Monson: I wrote this down and I've been trying to find it.
[55:44] Kim Monson: You said the rule of law, and we're going to talk about the law of the Constitution.
[55:48] Kim Monson: The rule of law encourages true hopes and discourages false hopes.
[56:01] Rob Natelson: I think it's a wonderful quote and I agree with it.
[56:06] Kim Monson: We're going to have you back next month, okay?
[56:08] Kim Monson: These are just fabulous conversations, Rob Nadelson.
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